Conversation started Dec 18, 2013 at 9:39.
ppr
ppr
Dec 18, 2013 09:39
debian users you could support the proposal of a new SE website dedicated to Debian by following : area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/62467/…
 
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slm
slm
Dec 18, 2013 12:56
OOO so now the flagged that I've reviewed are transparent unless you hover over them here: unix.stackexchange.com/tools/flagged
 
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Dec 18, 2013 18:30
@slm It used to just not show them, but it confused people because the flag count includes flags you've seen
slm
slm
@MichaelMrozek - yeah I saw that it didn't show them until yesterday. I was one of the ones confused, b/c I 'd have to keep clicking the flag number on the toolbar to see if there were any new ones for me to review. It works better now. Would still be better if the number went to 0 when I was done reviewing.
but can't really complain, it is what it is
 
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Dec 18, 2013 23:38
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Q: Graphical installer for a debian derivate?

zillionSadly installers for Debian are usually poorly documented, I need one that any linux beginner could mod without needing help, it also need to be intuitive enough when they do the installation. So far I came across debian-installer with a documentation worth the garbage bin, lmde installer being ...

not sure whether to close
the guy is a douche but there's a real question in there
not that I'm going to bother extracting it
meh, the question isn't answerable in its present state
sometimes (and more with non-1-rep users) you have to set the example
 
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Dec 19, 2013 01:06
@ppr we don't need another Debian proposal...
Dec 19, 2013 01:33
Thanks!But I try this I justwrited — orange 29 secs ago
uh, whatever
wut?
btw someone here might be interested in the answer that I could get here cogsci.stackexchange.com/q/5163/4009 it could explain certain behaviors
Dec 19, 2013 02:06
Anyone here?
 
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Dec 19, 2013 03:07
@Andy at the time you asked, no. just say what you want and people will read it later.
slm
slm
Dec 19, 2013 03:31
@ppr - As a Redhat/Fedora/CentOS user for 20+ years this pains me to say but Ubuntu has it's own SE site for very good reasons, whereas the other Linux distros do not need to have their own.
 
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Dec 19, 2013 05:46
well, someone has a healthy variation in distro families
also, just out of curiosity, how often do people check meta? I'm wondering if it's worth mentioning meta things here
 
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Dec 19, 2013 07:50
I use Fedora.Every time I change terminal color in the preferences,nothing happens.How can I change the color to one permanent color?
 
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Dec 19, 2013 10:04
Its boring today on Unix and Linux
 
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Dec 19, 2013 11:29
Off for xmas... have a nice xmas all and see you in the new year! o/
 
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slm
slm
Dec 19, 2013 13:14
@Andy - ask you question on the main site and can you show a screen shot or something of the issue?
@DravSloan - happy xmas.
Dec 19, 2013 13:36
@Andy don't worry, someone might...
 
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Dec 19, 2013 14:56
I see that udev knows about my ethernet card, as described in less /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
So, if I change the card, how can I get udev to regenerate it?
The /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file mentions /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules, but i'm unclear what to do with it
i dunno if it is worth posting this to the site.
This answer is helpful - unix.stackexchange.com/a/28883/4671
Maybe I need to run /lib/udev/write_net_rules ?
ppr
ppr
Dec 19, 2013 15:23
@strugee @slm @Gilles There are (also) good reasons to have a specific website debian.se (some of them are exposed in : discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/12547/….
@ppr i think that would be overly specialist. unix.sx is already not that large.
ppr
ppr
@strugee @slm @Gilles A good point is to say thatt Debian is the mother of a lot of distro. So, there should be a stackexchange website for Debian and derivates. Ubuntu is more popular so there is a website but a lot of question in askubuntu are (in fact) question about debian (about apt in particular).
@ppr ask.ubuntu is really so that the less clueful ubuntu users go over there and stop bothering the rest of us. though that is not how it is usually described. :-)
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Dec 19, 2013 15:55
@ppr no. The site already exists: it's Unix & Linux
what justifies Ask Ubuntu is that its volume is huge, it dwarfs U&L
I've already written several posts on that topic on D.A51. Unfortunately they were deleted alongside the proposals that they were attached to.
slm
slm
Dec 19, 2013 16:22
@ppr - this site has mustered ~30K Q's since inception, all a Debian and/or Fedora site would do is dilute this further. Ubuntu is a special case given it's targetting more of the newbie market, whereas this site targets both, with a slant more to the upper end. Don't let the lineage of distros play into the Q of if a distro merits it's on SE site or not. It has nothing to do with the decision. The gauge should be the nature of the questions/users and the volume of Q's nothing more!
the only reason i can think for a more specialist site is that more specialist debian questions might seem more natural. but it is unclear whether there would be a more specialist/advanced community for that site. I doubt it.
Dec 19, 2013 17:00
@FaheemMitha Regenerate what? If you change the card, the new one will automatically be added to 70-persistent-net.rules. If you change e.g., the name in 70-persistent-net.rules, you need to maybe reload udev, and then the change will happen the next time udev gets a device added message from the kernel (easy for a USB device, not so much for PCI. rmmod and insmod will do it. Or reboot). Or probably if you use udevadm
@derobert Regenerate /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
@derobert Maybe running /lib/udev/write_net_rules will suffice as I mentioned above.
@FaheemMitha It should happen automatically
at least it does here...
@derobert Ok. The scenario is that the current ethernet card will be removed and a different ethernet card added. with a change in interfact from pci to pcie.
would the old card entry be removed and the new card entry be added automatically?
No. The old card entry will be left behind. Your new card will be eth1 (assuming you only had eth0).
If you want to get rid of the old entry, use vim, etc.
@derobert ok.
Dec 19, 2013 17:05
you can probably delete it before shutting down for the HW change, then the new card will be eth0
@derobert Yes, that sounds reasonable.
i guess a reboot would be the simplest thing to do.
Well, if you have hot-swap hardware, I guess you don't need to reboot to do that. But most PCI and PCIe isn't hot-swap.
though since the computer will be turned off for the card change, i guess this would just be a boot. :-)
@derobert Right.
ok, so remove the entry from the file (or just remove the file) before shutting down for the hw change.
i'm also adding a standalone sound card at the same time, but i don't think udev handles that. not sure why
Sound cards go through udev, too.
@derobert Oh, do they? Hmm. I thought alsa configures them.
Dec 19, 2013 17:09
but they don't get persistent handling, AFAIK
Yeah. Mostly ALSA and PulseAudio have their own way of dealing with them.
@FaheemMitha I wouldn't remove the file, not sure what that'll do. I'd just remove the line(s).
@derobert OK. Will do.
@derobert Ok, but that leaves me unclear what alsa does vs what udev does - wrt to a sound card.
@FaheemMitha udev creates all the /dev entries. I think that's about it.
@derobert Hmm, ok.
/lib/udev/rules.d/78-sound-card.rules has some comments about sound card handling.
@derobert Thanks.
@derobert I hope they don't get a debian specific se. i think that would be a bad thing.
having looked at /lib/udev/rules.d/78-sound-card.rules i'm not much wiser
Dec 19, 2013 17:22
@FaheemMitha I doubt it'll happen. If it does, it'll never leave beta, for lack of volume
@derobert Even a beta would take people from here, and there aren't that many now.
at least not people who contribute
as opposed to random drive by questions
Well, I doubt it'd remove many answerers. I mean, no reason you can't answer at two sites. But I suspect they'd have no questions over there...
And never leave closed beta.
The reason there is a Debian-only Q&A site based on an open-source SE clone is because it's open source. A Debian.SE won't be.
@derobert I didn't know there was a requirement for leaving closed beta
@derobert You mean ask.debian.net?
@FaheemMitha I don't know if there is a requirement per se, but surely the SE team looks at them, and if there is no traffic, they'll just dump it
@FaheemMitha yeah
@derobert ask.debian.net already does not get much traffic.
unix.sx gets much more
Dec 19, 2013 17:27
Yep. Because most everyone is happy with the mailing lists, or here....
Also of course ask.debian.net isn't an official Debian thing.
(official things are at debian.org; debian.net is for unofficial things)
@derobert Right.
 
Conversation ended Dec 19, 2013 at 17:28.