Conversation started Jul 17, 2015 at 3:20.
Jul 17, 2015 03:20
> Analytical or compound verb forms consist of at least two verbal elements, an auxiliary verb and a notional verb; the latter is presented by participle I, participle II, or the infinitive.
> An auxiliary verb is devoid of its lexical meaning, its role is purely grammatical. It may be finite or non-finite, thus showing whether the whole verb form is finite or non-finite as in:
> Jane is singing.
> Someone seems to be singing in the next room.
> The auxiliary verbs in English are not numerous, they are seven: to do, to be, to have, shall, will, should, would.
> The notional verb of a compound verb form is always non-finite, it carries the lexical meaning of the whole verb form.
> The analytical verb forms are the forms of the continuous aspect, the perfect forms, the passive forms, the future forms, the future in the past forms, some forms of the subjunctive mood, the interrogative, negative and emphatic forms of the present and past indefinite.
> The meaning of the analytical form as a whole is the result of the complete fusion of the auxiliary and the non-finite form.
40 secs ago, by Damkerng T.
> The auxiliary verbs in English are not numerous, they are seven: to do, to be, to have, shall, will, should, would.
Hmm...
(It's from the same book mentioned in Сoncept of an attribute used by Russian grammarians by user11312, another deleted user.)
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Hmm... that doesn't work. It's not easy enough to search for them.
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Anonymous
Was this written a very long time ago?
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@snailboat An hour ago.
Anonymous
Um. The book, I mean.
@snailboat Oh, yes!
Anonymous
The one at doclecture that you're quoting.
Jul 17, 2015 03:29
The question was from March this year.
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Anonymous
But I wonder when the book was written.
Let's see...
Anonymous
Or is it just someone's website?
Yes. I think they copied the book and made it online.
Anonymous
Oh! The book is Английская грамматика: базовый теоретический курс
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:32
Copyright date is 2013
That's very new!
Anonymous
Well, that book would not be my first choice of grammars
Anonymous
What happened to auxiliaries like may and might?
That's what I thought!
Also can/could/must/etc.
Anonymous
@Tab When be is an auxiliary, it's a non-modal auxiliary. The English modal auxiliaries are can, may, will, shall, must, ought, need, and dare, and the non-modal auxiliaries are be, have, do, and for some speakers, use. See The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, pages 92 and 108. — snailboat Jul 2 at 15:58
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:35
That's CGEL's list.
Anonymous
It might also be worth discussing a semi-modal category.
Anonymous
If we were to discuss it at length, we could discuss what properties auxiliaries have. Why does it make sense to include certain verbs in the category, but not others?
Anonymous
If they form a coherent category, they should share a lot of properties that they don't share with non-auxiliary verbs.
How does CGEL think of seem?
Anonymous
What about it?
Jul 17, 2015 03:38
As an auxiliary too?
Anonymous
I'm not aware of seem having any auxiliary properties
Anonymous
What properties would suggest to you that it might be an auxiliary?
Anonymous
> Does it seem like an auxiliary verb?
> *Seems it like an auxiliary verb?
I thought it might be something special because some dictionaries classify it as a linking verb.
Anonymous
"Linking verb" here means "verb that takes a predicative complement" in CGEL's terms
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:39
That's not an auxiliary property, though.
Anonymous
Predicative complements typically have the form of a noun phrase or an adjective phrase, and the noun phrase can potentially be a bare role noun phrase:
Oh, so be can be both an auxiliary and a linking verb.
Anonymous
> She became a senator. (regular NP)
> She became senator. (bare role NP)
> She became quite upset. (AdjP)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I suppose you could say that.
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:41
Usually, if it's a "linking verb", it's also an auxiliary.
Anonymous
Since it's almost always an auxiliary.
My cat is snoring!
Anonymous
> That is a snail.
> Is that a snail?
> That is cute.
> Is that cute?
Anonymous
Here, be is an auxiliary, demonstrated with one of the auxiliary properties (inversion)
Anonymous
It takes a predicative complement, and our main hint here is that it can take both NP and AdjP complements, as in the examples
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:44
Whereas:
Anonymous
> She punched me!
> *Punched she me?
> *She punched green!
> *Punched she green?
Anonymous
The third example can be interpreted grammatically with green as a secondary predicate (a predicative adjunct), but it's ungrammatical in the relevant interpretation (attempting to use green as a complement), so I've marked it with a star.
Anonymous
Punch takes an object, and objects are different from predicative complements. They don't take the form of AdjPs.
Anonymous
NPs are okay for objects.
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:46
Only a fairly limited set of verbs take predicative complements.
Anonymous
These are the verbs you find in your list of linking verbs, generally speaking.
Anonymous
They are sometimes referred to as copula verbs.
Anonymous
Or copular verbs, or copulae, or what have you.
A-ha! That's where the confusion comes from.
Anonymous
Linking verb is a less Latin-y term for copula.
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:48
Copulation is linking two things together.
Anonymous
A copula links two things together.
Anonymous
> This is a snail.
Anonymous
Links: thisa snail
Anonymous
Seem fits into this category:
Anonymous
> She seems nice.
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:51
Nice is a property of she (taking into account the semantics of seem, anyway)
Anonymous
Seem can take an AdjP as a complement.
Anonymous
But it doesn't have the auxiliary properties.
> *Seems she nice? -- That doesn't work.
Anonymous
Right! Subject-auxiliary inversion doesn't work with seem.
Anonymous
Auxiliaries can also be directly negated:
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:54
> She can fly a plane.
> She can't fly a plane.
Anonymous
But lexical verbs cannot, outside of fossilized constructions:
Anonymous
> She likes eating spinach.
> She doesn't like eating spinach.
Anonymous
Here, we have to insert the dummy auxiliary does because we can only negate an auxiliary, not a lexical verb.
Anonymous
If we stick not after like, we get non-verbal negation (of the following non-finite clause):
Anonymous
> She likes [ not eating spinach ] . ← not negates eating spinach, not likes
Anonymous
Jul 17, 2015 03:55
For the same reason:
Anonymous
> *She walks not.
> She doesn't walk.
Anonymous
Negation and inversion are two of the auxiliary properties.
 
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