Conversation started Aug 17, 2011 at 1:43.
user2334
Aug 17, 2011 01:43
There are a few blank spots in your analysis that should be noted, as the numbers you're providing don't have any context
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
I apologize if my question seems un-constructive. I asked it because I was reading some of the other ones you linked to and trying to figure out what I was missing about the guidelines and their enforcement, but I didn't see a lot of constructive discussion around the issues that were raised in those questions
What do you mean by context?
user2334
Well, what's the time frame of the data?
user2334
Is it from Day 1 to now?
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
To the best of my knowledge. I'm not an expert with the Stack Exchange query system either, but I basically did a "select score, count(score) from posts where closeddate is not null group by score order by score" for each site
user20683
I think the biggest issue is not the closing of stuff
user20683
Aug 17, 2011 01:46
I think it's insufficient guidelines for people on where they need to go ask the question.
user2334
@MitchLindgren The reason I ask is for two reasons: from September 1st to October 1st (the first month), Programmers.SE was operating under a different premise than it is now. This caused a huge number of questions to be closed, and we're still cleaning up to this day
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
@MarkTrapp I was not aware of that. That does somewhat invalidate my data
user20683
by which I mean people ask questions that shouldn't be asked here, those get closed (rightfully) but then they don't know where to go
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
@WorldEngineer I agree. I tried to frame my question in a neutral manner so as to promote discussion, but I think the mods are USUALLY not wrong in closing questions
user20683
So it's unclear to them whether they asked a bad question (typical), asked an off topic question (typical) or we're just hard asses(lies)
user2334
Aug 17, 2011 01:47
@MitchLindgren Those questions are broken windows: people see those, and think they're still on-topic. It's a real mess, and one of the main reasons why we have so many questions about the site's purpose
user20683
let me see if I have this straight
user20683
this site is for the discussion of coding practices and the theory of coding practices by veterans or at least someone with some level of practice experience/knowledge or at the very least a desire to learn that.
user2334
@MitchLindgren The other reason I ask about the time frame is the comparison to SO, which has data for 3 years, compared to our 11 months. It'd be interesting to compare the same timeframes, although I'm not sure how constructive that would be given 3 years of community building
user20683
it is not a code review site, a do homework site, a help solve problem x site or a gorilla vs shark site
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
@MarkTrapp Yeah, I had no idea about the paradigm shift, so to speak. That is probably a large part of the confusion
user20683
Aug 17, 2011 01:50
what was the paradigm shift?
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
And it's definitely difficult to compare data from an established site like SO against data from a relatively new site like Programmers...
Maybe it would be more accurate to compare the first year or so of Stack Overflow questions to the first year of Programmers questions
user2334
@MitchLindgren The one other thing to keep in mind is that you don't have access to deleted questions. Up until recently, we've been pretty conservative with not deleting questions to not rock the boat too much. Stack Overflow does not have that same reservation, and has hundreds of users who actively vote to delete trash.
user2334
@MitchLindgren The concern I have with that is that Stack Overflow has way more volume, and didn't have the community infrastructure we had in 2010 when it launched. There's likely tens of thousands of questions that should be closed or deleted, but no manpower to pull it off
user2334
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Q: The Six Subjective Question Guidelines -- Enforcement Notice

Jeff AtwoodJust a quick note here on meta to let everyone know we will be enforcing these six subjective question guidelines. Great subjective questions... inspire answers that explain “why” and “how”. tend to have long, not short, answers. have a constructive, fair, and impartial tone. invite sharing e...

discussion faq subjective moderation
Mitch Lindgren
Mitch Lindgren
Hm... so my data may paint a negative picture of the moderation on Programmers without necessarily being very accurate or useful. That was definitely not my intent
Any idea how I could improve it?
user2334
Aug 17, 2011 01:55
@MitchLindgren One way might be to look at the last month for Programmers.SE and another SE 2.0 site with similar volume. Gaming might be a good choice
user2334
There's still the qualitative problem, but at least you'd be comparing apples to other types of fruit
 
Conversation ended Aug 17, 2011 at 1:55.