@Lord_Gareth hey, I volunteered, it's quite all right if you want to blame me. But I'll say this, if the tag kept going the way it was, it was going to get deleted.
Here's the thing, in order for a tag to have merit, it has to be meaningful. It can't have the potential to be used on every question.
By normal tagging standards, many of our tags, are actually meta tags.
RAW is one of those tags. In that sense, it requires more justification than "this is an RPG concept" to merit it's existence.
At the outset of mxy's post, I was actually quite in favor of culling the tag. It's something that, without careful application, actually could apply to most of the questions we ask/answer.
Look, I get that. I've had my issues with mxy on a bunch of things, we're in relative agreement on this one though. What we're asking is for people to look critically at the tag during this period and make a fair and open evaluation of it following the period.
On a just-tag-use thing, it should be notable that the RPG community often has a notable bias for or against RAW as a concept; tagging the question, as has been brought up before, communicates the sort of answers you're looking for. Looking for those answers can be valuable for a lot of reasons.
I have a question that still was not satisfactorily answered by the community because Mxy picked a fight in it
@Smurfton this is his personal blog http://geek-related.com/2010/06/19/i-hate-the-raw/ >You know what? It’s time to bring back some of the pejorative terms of gaming 20 years ago. >Rules lawyers. Munchkins. Power gamers. Monty Haulers. You’re on notice. Somehow your filthy habits have become mainstreamed, over Gary Gygax’s dead body apparently. But you’re not welcome, around here at least.
this is an attitude he has strongly conveyed through his posts and comments for years
@waxeagle How so? In what way does an avowed, passionate, and proud bigot add to this discussion? How can this segment of the community seriously consider the moderation team to be treating them fairly and honestly while he is on it?
@KRyan because he's not the only one on the moderation team. And frankly, if you don't trust us to perform this, why did you recently elect 2/3rds of us?
I was deeply disturbed by his commitment to the idea that the moderation team can or should do what they think is best in contradiction of the community consensus
I would like to be able to come back here, in all honesty. I have a lot of folks that I like and respect. I have a great respect for the goal of the Stack format.
But in all honesty, I left because I felt unwelcome.
@KRyan Personally, I've always been impressed by SevenSided's commitment to cleaning up posts on this site. Even if he had loads of personal opinions that I strongly disagreed with and didn't like, I would still vote for him.
like I said, I'm much more interested in the tag side of this discussion. I understand it provides value to a community on this site, and we want to see what we can do to keep it from falling into uselessness.
@Ahriman RAW is typically a D&Dism, but it's not solely D&D
@waxeagle - Our stance here is that any actual problems with the tag can neither be examined properly nor acted upon while Mxy is involved in the process. Here, lemme dig up the thing.
> 1. As a moderator, your actions now represent the community, so you will be held to a higher standard of behavior. You are an ambassador of trust, with the same sorts of rights that the official development team and community coordinators have.
and then on the subject of suspensions: A Day in the Penalty Box, wherein it's quite clear that even if mods did not have higher standards, he does not meet the regular ones
Wax, Mxy has picked this fight in Meta for two years running now, by his own admission in the last question. Every time he has, the community has chosen to preserve the tag.
Look guys, at the end of the day, the moderators still have a job to do. If you don't trust us to do it, you know the channels to go through, contact the community team. This is a tag that needs a cleanup, you guys are the principals in the tag, it's going to happen y'all can help define how it's going to happen.
@waxeagle The problem, at this point, is that a not-insignificant portion of the community has lost faith in the moderation team for reasons that the mod team seems to feel are irrational. This will poison any interaction that the community feels strongly about until either reconciliation is made or everyone involved leaves.
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Even honest attempts to be even-handed about a specific topic are gonna be met with reasonable suspicion if the people overseeing it are visible indifferent to fairness in other areas. By now it's fruit of the poisoned tree until the underlying conflict is at least acknowledged as more than a flight of paranoid delusion.
@Lord_Gareth Outside of this trash, busy but pretty good. I've got an awesome RPG group. In the last few sessions we imploded a robot Elon Musk and fought giant termites that threw Force lightning.
And as a personal addition, it's difficult for me to accept the idea that I have to be the grown-up, to shut up and be good while the other person in the conflict continues to be abusive, hostile, and abrasive. There's being the bigger person and then there's accepting victimization.
@Smurfton Musk has already been answered, see above if you meant him. RDJ is an actor who portrayed Tony Stark in recent movies. Tony Stark is a comic-book character, also known as Iron Man.
While our PCs work for a group with the motto Using Weird stuff so Weird stuff doesn't use you, Musk is Destroying Weird stuff so Weird stuff doesn't Destroy you.
didn't realize Elon Musk was one of the people afraid of AI; there's quite a few of them at this point, and they're serious people worth paying attention to
And for the record this isn't my idea. One of my players came to me with Musk and his Musketeers all statted up already and said, "I was going to play this guy, but I think he's an antagonist. Here."
Did he completely replace your original plans, or are your original plans still out there, biding their time, or whatever evil bad guys do while they wait for heroes?
Our first encounter with him, we were trying to save an Atlantean colony ship from falling into the Sun. I added Musk as an unexpected complication: Musk blames the ship for the Weird Stuff escalation on Earth and showed up trying to implode with it Downvote-class black hole missiles fired from his interplanetary warship Negative Feedback.
@waxeagle you're not the whole team, sad to say. And while d7 does an admirable job of keeping his opinions on rules-as-written out of his interactions with the site, he's not perfect either—and here he is being directly asked for his opinion on them, so he cannot avoid interacting with them
We Skyped him to ask him to stop, but he hung up on us and kept firing, so we hacked his ship (which used open-source software) and set off all the missiles in his weapons bay.
@waxeagle I like you well enough. My irritation at the situation aside, I still like you. But you're 1/3rd of the team and the vocal face of that team is still, you guessed it, the problem child. You're bringing up questions of site policy and asking me to trust a majority out of three composed of folks I don't trust at all. Even if I had absolute trust in you personally, that's not a fair expectation.
Why should I have any faith that you can keep things fair on your own?
(And let me tell you, setting up a Skype call between a 4,000-year-old Atlantean colony ship and a modern warship is not easy. One of the PCs had to use her plant powers to grow a modern antenna array out of the metal trees on the ship.)
(Luckily, another PC had just spent the last adventure lost in time and space, and it turned out he'd spent some time in Atlantis and added a Linux emulator to the colony ship's programming. We used that to hook up the array to someone's tablet.)
Definitions
We all have our limits and boundaries. Lines and veils are different ways to handle those boundaries in play.
A line is, well, a line — a hard limit, something we do not want to cross. Lines represent places we don't want to go in roleplaying.
"There is no torture in the event...
My group has lines and veils on suicide, spiders, cannibalism...
I've attempted to remain classy and respectful about a variety of subjects here but the consequences of violence and medical care have often been...well, up-front.
The PoV character's a necromancer, it's kinda relevant to the themes.
Definitions
We all have our limits and boundaries. Lines and veils are different ways to handle those boundaries in play.
A line is, well, a line — a hard limit, something we do not want to cross. Lines represent places we don't want to go in roleplaying.
"There is no torture in the event...
Not a bar, but plays one on TV
Not a bar, but plays one on TV