Conversation started Sep 25, 2017 at 3:47.
Sep 25, 2017 03:47
One thing to remember with moderation: Do not take things seriously unless it's absolutely necessary. Always stay calm, and always try to defuse the situation peacefully first. The way Trump is handling the North Korea crisis is a good example of what not to do.
Clearly not a cat.
That's the most fundamental problem.
Hence, careful choice of words and actions is important. If somebody does something wrong, gently discourage the behavior instead of giving an unnecessarily harsh warning or flagging immediately.
This is the biggest mistake I make every time there's drama.
Note that it doesn't necessarily mean that humor is required; it means diplomacy and dialogue should be used instead of threats, warnings, and flags unless things have already broken down. If it comes to that, you've basically already lost.
So, @JourneymanGeek, any tips? I think this is the most important thing I've learned in my last six years in chat.
This... might just be the biggest behavioral breakthrough I've had in recent memory, both here in chat and in the real world.
@JourneymanGeek Well, the two are intimately related—if you learn to not take things too seriously, you'll naturally learn to let go.
It comes down to learning to relax and stay calm.
Sep 25, 2017 04:02
Which you take too seriously.
@JourneymanGeek Let's be frank here. I'm already brainstorming changes to make IRL towards this objective. If I can fix this problem in real life, it'll carry over into cyberspace.
If one has no goal but to chase his own tail, what does he have when he catches it? The uncaught squirrel on the other hand is hours of fun.
The basic idea is very simple if you think about it. Implementation is a different story, given my psychological history.
Chase the squirrel. Your tail will follow.
So... I think I'm ready to move forward. Any test scenarios to practice on?
After all, practice makes perfect.
@JourneymanGeek I've said this before...
> It's important to maintain the natural flow of chat. By gracefully resolving situations, we can avoid drama and disruption.
Sep 25, 2017 04:19
@bwDraco and yet this breaks the flow of chat.
Care to explain?
By talking about maintaining the flow of chat, the flow of chat is not maintained. The tail is chased.
What more do we need to discuss?
By discussing, the goal is lost. If you've caught your own tail, what then?
That is my point.
I wasn't planning to talk about this any further.
Sep 25, 2017 04:25
So if you find you're doing something you shouldn',t drop it, and just forget it. Its easier like that
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek one more comma would've helped here :P
Oct 14 '15 at 6:53, by DragonLord
As I grew increasingly frustrated over my behavioral issues, I grew a fervent desire to overcome them. I kept trying and failing and trying and failing...
@Bob I was going to say...
dude. "Drop it, Move on"
Bob
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No. Stop expecting mod hat actions. You don't want me to mod hat action. I don't want me to mod hat action.
It results in painful ankles and industrial strength dog mouthwash.
Sep 25, 2017 04:29
@JourneymanGeek Humor isn't necessary.
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek you also need to clean the hat after
I hear you're not supposed to machine wash them
...and I am stepping out. I intentionally acted to defeat the purpose of your posting humorous content in an attempt to create drama, knowing that it was meant to defuse the situation.
...and I'm back. So... recent incidents are giving me the impression that I'm starting to become a troll. Hints on how to change that?
See - I tell you "Don't do this" - you step out. then do the same thing.
@JourneymanGeek Clarify? I'm hoping to not let this blow up.
Well, you're worried about being distruptive. Then are being disruptive by worrying about being disruptive.
and this is a circle. You're chasing your tail.
If you're like "I'm not being a good chat citizen " step off chat
go find something else to do. Trickle fix a tag, chase a squirrel - something other that what you're fixated on.
Sep 25, 2017 04:44
@JourneymanGeek I get the idea but it's just hard to get out of a vicious circle.
Oct 14 '15 at 6:53, by DragonLord
As I grew increasingly frustrated over my behavioral issues, I grew a fervent desire to overcome them. I kept trying and failing and trying and failing...
Bob
Bob
@bwDraco Go to sleep. It's 12:45 AM.
simple. Don't look at your tail. Don't look at the behaviorial issues. Don't force better behaviour.
that too ;p
@JourneymanGeek I hope you understand the story behind this behavior. I was raised on strict discipline and continue to be strictly disciplined, so changing this is going to be met with more than a bit of resistance from my parents. It's not like I don't want to do this, it's that my parents demand visibility into changes.
@bwDraco I can try to put myself in your feet, but there comes a point when I'm getting the impression there's no real change.
I just feel like I'm a bird stuck in a cage. You try to do the right thing and wind up getting punished for it.
"lanka"
hm
I see a blank page
and lunch!
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek yea it's borkened
@JourneymanGeek The page loaded for me, albeit slowly.
Look, I was taught to take my behavior seriously. Anything else, and I risk getting in trouble.
It's not what I'd like.
I constantly tell my mom, "we don't need to take ABC violation so seriously" and I get in trouble for those words alone.
At home, I want peaceful and clean resolution of issues.
Feb 2 at 13:54, by bwDraco
@Burgi 1) Traditional Chinese values; 2) longstanding behavioral issues, including autism and severe self-control issues; and 3) general pessimism and risk aversion (mainly on Father's end)
Also, this kind of attitude towards disciplinary issues is counterproductive. It's creating resentment and is making me become arrogant about my ability to behave ("I can handle this, you don't need to remind me!"), simply because I don't want Mother lecturing me on the same issue repeatedly. She just fears that if it isn't reinforced, I'll just do it again, so I tell her it isn't necessary in an attempt to stop it.
Fear and anger aren't the solution.
I don't like ranting about my parents in a public space, but this is the situation I'm in right now. I hate it.
To make matters worse, Father is a skeptic and a cynic, refusing to believe that I can improve myself and sometimes refusing to accept even overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence that, for example, I no longer make a particular mistake or that my behavior has improved in some specific manner.
I would like it if I didn't have to take my behavior so seriously, but there's very little I can do about it.
...and that's the story behind my taking things too seriously.
I'll be going back to the drawing board and creating a fresh set of plans for better behavior that reflect the lessons learned today.
Good night.
 
Conversation ended Sep 25, 2017 at 5:10.