Conversation started Sep 19, 2013 at 12:20.
Sep 19, 2013 12:20
changes tags everywhere and makes a few minor tweaks to the text
should have a under his name instead of notepad++ etc
Which is exactly what we're prompting people to do…
yeah but he spams the frontpage pretty good
@allquixotic I wonder if we could have some kind of rate limiting for pushing accepted edits.
@allquixotic I think that is sweet having a whole Same OS on a tablet kind of item, so all the software, the tweaking, the layout and configuration is exacly the same. Doing winCE and Android, and symbian, i lost days and days re-learning.
@slhck or have a threshold to detect "minor" edits (just a tag change, or a tag change and minimal edits to the text like formatting only) and don't even make a question get bumped to the front page if it's been minorly edited
Sep 19, 2013 12:25
Then we don't have any reviews for those anymore.
@slhck er, they show up in the review queue at the top, which is what I click... I don't look at the front page for minor edits to approve
algorithm: look at the raw markdown of the post; disregard tag changes; strip out all markdown formatting, newlines, etc (just for the purposes of determining whether it's minor, don't actually delete the formatting from the post); count the number of remaining characters that have been changed; if it's less than 5, it's a minor edit
@allquixotic Yeah, that could work. But then again… this whole tag thing is so majorly screwed up. I've been thinking about how to improve that for almost two years now.
minor edits would appear in the review queues as normal, but wouldn't get bumped on the front page
I think we should eliminate tags and instead do a full-text search on the body of all posts using an advanced search engine... something like Google Search Appliance would do the trick
I mean when you do a google search through forums, and find the most relevant results in the top 5 results, it's not like forums have to have a "tag" system to let google know what the important words of the question are
it seems like the tags are only present in SE because SE is too cheap to buy a Google Search Appliance or write something that'd be as good at doing full text search as GSA is
Hmm. Have you used the old search?
It was terrible.
they're basically a performance hack, but the cost in terms of contributor time is appalling
Sep 19, 2013 12:30
The one we have now is… 50% less terrible.
Oooh. I just got my first Famous Question
I have used the old search, and the new one is still worthless
I get better search results by searching main google and getting SO / SU hits than using the actual SE search engine
Same for me
seriously, if the only point of tags is to help their search engine, it's not worth so many hours of moderator (diamond and otherwise) time to edit, review, approve, and do periodic tag cleanups all for that
how many people use SE's search anyway? most people who post a question, even fairly "dumb" users, have at least googled it first, and if there were already a question on the site, it'd probably be in the top results on google
@allquixotic same here, but any changes that have been made have improved the SUs own search , A person can find something now :-)
Sep 19, 2013 12:33
besides, tags aren't necessarily the best indicator of what a post is about -- how many questions out there are just tagged but are actually about Audacity or OpenOffice, etc?
I really think that the 'smart' way to do it would be to stop bumping tag edits a day or two, and go a load of them at once ;)
if the search engine does do full text search, tags aren't necessary... if it doesn't do full text search, then SE is just being lazy, and needs to make it do full text search
@allquixotic: its a bigger problem cause there's more than one person doing it. ;p
there's 4-5 folk who are.
there's really nothing more to say about it
heck even a free (as in $0) "Google Custom Search" over the particular SE site you're visiting would be more than sufficient
actually for $100/year you can use Google Custom Search with even more customization, like removing the branding
@allquixotic tagging for the OS is important, especially if it has been left out of the main text, and I also use the Follow and Avoid features of the tag system, to try and avoid linux questions. (not that linux isnt good, just that I am not into it today)
Sep 19, 2013 12:36
Well, if there were no tags, people would be forced to provide the info in their question's body.
@slhck oh no! a disaster! :P
@allquixotic Not saying that's bad.
Just guessing that many will forget that.
and I can't tell you how many times, until I got really used to the site, I posted a comment like "please indicate your operating system" when they ONLY posted it in the tags
Or they'd start doing How do I foo the bar? [Tag] again.
because I didn't realize they had tagged it
people should really just put all the pertinent details into the post body, and not try to be clever by tagging it instead
some tags aren't nearly specific enough, too, which gives users a false sense of providing information when in fact they are really not giving enough
like the tag -- it's practically meaningless unless your question is directly about the Linux Kernel, in which case 99% of the time it belongs on SO anyway
saying "I'm running Linux" and then proceeding to ask about a specific application on top of some unknown GNU/Linux distro / version does not provide nearly enough information to answer the question with any confidence
Sep 19, 2013 12:39
Or people who post a question under and I have to be all nit-picky about answers that aren't POSIXly correct :P
@slhck 99% of the time when they say "unix" they really mean "Ubuntu 12.04" -_-
they just don't know what they're talking about
Precisely
 
Conversation ended Sep 19, 2013 at 12:39.