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Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:41

im guessing you didnt graduate high school

Bob

Firefox has an about:preferences!

Never knew that O_O

barlop

@allquixotic yeah but knowing technologies is not that relevant in getting a degree

allquixotic

@Hellovart Actually, I have a degree in computer science and I'm a practicing engineer.

Hellovart

logic in a programming language means everything

that's what we learn

allquixotic

@barlop If your goal is to get a degree, you can do that by just reading books and lecture notes. I had assumed (perhaps wrongly) that he was getting the degree because he was interested in getting a job in software engineering.

Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:43

im intestered in getting a job period

Bob

Lemme just say, I'm currently in Uni and working as a programmer, and what I've learnt in Uni is almost completely irrelevant to my job.

Hellovart

software engineering sounds like shit

allquixotic

The things you need to know and do to get the one are so dramatically disjoint from the things you need to know and do to get the other, that it's ridiculous to even contemplate a software engineering job without having any practical experience.

Bob

@allquixotic this.

allquixotic

And I don't mean writing code for assignments in school. That's not experience.

Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:44

you're talking about co op

allquixotic

Writing code for assignments in school is "experience" in the same way as playing on a playground is experience in driving a coach bus.

Hellovart

how quaint

tell me, what the fuck am i supposed to do then

not do my assignments and workshops?

Journeyman Geek

@Hellovart: That and learn to really do the thing you want to do.

allquixotic

@Hellovart First of all, knock off the attitude. Second, get involved in an open source project. Pick something you're interested in, ideally something that involves some technologies that you've at least heard of before, download the source code, read their wiki docs on contributing, and try to cook up a few simple patches, and work from there.

Hellovart

i make video games on my own time? but that isnt practical is it

allquixotic

Apr 3, 2014 23:46

@Hellovart Making games is practical experience, yes. But are you just modding, or did you actually write an engine (or write a game based on some other engine)?

Journeyman Geek

with databases, the theory is the hard part no one really gets. The syntax, you can pick up as you need it, often with little idea what you're doing ;p

Hellovart

i mean i write my own games from scratch

i dont like using other imported libraries

from the internet

extensions or whatever you call it

barlop

I have a friend that got a job testing software and he really took off after that

Hellovart

yes journeyman i agree with that

in terms of sql but not programming

allquixotic

@Hellovart When you do that, what kinds of technologies do you use? OpenGL? Direct3D? TCP sockets? UDP? XML? An audio library?

Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:48

none of those,

allquixotic

OK, then what?

Hellovart

when i was learning c# in highschool, i made 2d games on the forms

c++, we only work with console, text based games

Bob

@Hellovart That would be GDI (really, GDI+) abstracted by WinForms.

Hellovart

java on my own time, learned by myself, 2d even thought its a bitch

Vader

Hi guys I need some help

Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:49

i think you have the wrong form

Vader

I have an app that is not responding to my click or anything

Hellovart

i mean the standard form

Vader

But windows is not showing "blabla is not responding" window, what does that mean?

Hellovart

it means you close the program and reopen it

Vader

I also looked in the process manager and it's ram is not chaning

allquixotic

Apr 3, 2014 23:50

@Hellovart You would benefit enormously from using "other imported libraries from the internet". The skill of learning how to use other libraries will be very valuable to you in a programming career. Having knowledge of stuff besides console I/O will make you hireable.

Hellovart

and if it still freeze, check your task manager

Vader

@Hellovart I have about 1 horu worth of work in it the app

Hellovart

@allquixotic i see

vader, then you're fucked man, i dont know what to say, you can wait till it unfreezes

Vader

are there not tricks to play?

allquixotic

@Vader If you can't afford to lose the work, and the program isn't responding, you're kind of in a rough spot. You can definitely kill the program using task manager "End Process Tree" (force-kills it), but you'll lose data.

Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:51

windows is a piece of shit, no tricks allowed

Vader

actually it is not frozen

Hellovart

so it unfrozed, congratulations

Vader

there is a dialouge window of screen somehwere

Hellovart

take a screenshot and paste it here

if it isnt frozen, save your work....

Vader

Hellovart

Apr 3, 2014 23:53

@vader is it so hard to close that

Vader

Problem is that the window on the left is in some kind of full screenmode

Bob

@Vader It means that the program is still accepting input.

It may not be processing it, but it's responding to the messages Windows sends it.

Vader

@Bob I know that now. But how can I get rid of the dialouge window?

Bob

As far as Windows is concerned, it's still responsive.

Vader

nvm fixed it

allquixotic

Apr 3, 2014 23:57

@Vader you may be able to use Object Spy or similar to force close the offending HWND

Bob

@Vader I dunno. Can't load that screenshot at the moment, gimme a minute.

@Vader Great!

Vader

Well this is a pretty shitty bug

barlop

@Hellovart software engineers do lots of "plumbing", connecting things already written and making something cool.. I have a friend that isn't that interested in languages, and not that interested in algorithms themselves, just in the product.. and that's the kind of mentality for a job

he did a job testing computer software, I think that might have been what exposed him to many technologies, and helped set him off..

allquixotic

@barlop I have basically that mentality

I'm a "tester plus" hehe... test and write software :)

Hellovart

please, if you can write software, you can test software

i can make a console say "Hello world"

barlop

Apr 4, 2014 00:01

@Hellovart yeah nobody is saying testing software is going to be hard for somebody that can write games it may well be -easy- for you, but it'd expose you to many technologies, that's my point

Hellovart

that should get me a job, right?

Bob

@Hellovart Uh, no.

barlop

@Hellovart be sensible.

Hellovart

yes, yes, i am doing all what you people are talking about in the last two semesters

and that was a joke

barlop

don't get a job as a comedian

Hellovart

Apr 4, 2014 00:02

why not, communication is also a big part

barlop

^^

Hellovart

if someone screws me, i curse at them

communications

Bob

@Hellovart Please stop with the personal attacks.

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