Conversation started Aug 14, 2016 at 1:27.
Aug 14, 2016 01:27
The answer didn't contain an opinion, which is why I am asking about it. — Argonauts 10 mins ago
I can't figure out what happen to his reputation. I see no reputation adjustments for a deleted question, which I would think, would be displayed no matter who was looking at it (perhaps its only visible to the user)?
weird, loosly looking at it (because it does not all show) he did aquire other rep during that time, that is relative to the rep that shows for that time. So the big rep from that question does seem to be missing ?
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Q: ffmpeg works in command line but it doesn't work well in c#

Ahmad Ali MukashatyI want to stream movie via udp so I use this command line and it works well ffmpeg -re -i test.mkv -q 1 -vcodec libx264 -f mpegts udp://network:port but I want to run this command line using c# like this : process = new Process(); process.StartInfo.FileName = "cmd.exe"; process.StartI...

obvious programming question :$ user cross-posted to us after only 30 minutes
I have :-)
apparently it was deleted.
I'll look at the meta question when I get home.
Aug 14, 2016 01:40
k
i linked to the comment instead of the question but yeah.
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Q: Removed Question / Answer

ArgonautsA question that I had answered was removed today, and with it I lost 592 reputation. The question is available via cache. I don't agree with the rationale for closing it out, but didn't take too much issue with it as it was still available for viewing. The boilerplate rationale for closing it w...

So you can find it easier :$
Kristen Bell was Kristen Dunst
apparently I think all blood actresses look-alike
Looks like it was mod deleted. And erf. That's why closing HNQs is testy.
He definitely lost a chunk of rep.
@JourneymanGeek stupid question, how much is a Primo online book download? like a good best seller with many pages, and a full story?
Depends. About the same price as a paperback in many cases.
Eh. This is complex.
Did it get bad attention recently or something because, it seems strange, to delete a question like that
@JourneymanGeek thats precisely what i wanted to know, thanks.
Aug 14, 2016 01:49
I'm going to undelete, and someone should ask a meta question.
meta.su or meta.se?
I suggested meta.se based on the quotes saying a deleted question shouldn't reverse the reputation earned from those answers
Undeleted. Still on hold. I'll handle a meta.su question and the op's question. I think this involves lots of rep and is an exception.
I think random and I might disagree here.
My only thought. What was the reason of removing it today instead of the past few weeks?
It was asked on July 9th and closed within 12 hours.
Because those past few weeks were given as a chance to make the question back in scope, to collect reopen votes. But since it didn't, and no one came along to do so, it's subject to removal. 60 days is a long time to wait to see if anyone wants to fix a question
I don't disagree but now we got a user who submitted a pretty darn good answer.
Aug 14, 2016 02:02
Then don't leave the question closed
that is a different discussion. I also thought it was older then it was, its appears to be just under 45 days or so.
And when under 60 days the reputation is still in flux with it if it gets deleted. After 60 days it gets grandfathered and the reputation stays inflated
I'm not too sure if it's possible to actually gauge the op's intent from the question. Not sure if the answerers should be penalised for that. I was in a very similar situation , and while I was kinda meh about it....
Yes; I should have read the linked answer which you quoted again, could have determined the reason right away :$
You mean using powers to migrate it away to collect reputation elsewhere
Aug 14, 2016 02:07
And well, the situation gets made weirder cause I suspect it was a hnq.
@random oh in my case they found a duplicate and merged it.
But that was someone trying to do a hoax and it becoming viral.
I guess I think its questionable to wait so long, to delete a question that is nearly 45 days old, that was clearly getting views. Some of the hurt from removing this question could have prevented by removing it earlier.
Removing it earlier would have netted the same kind of outcry, of not giving the community a chance to fix it to reopen. Either you want a site littered with closed questions or you want all the juicy reputation for answering anything as fast as they come through
Even if I were a mod, I generally wouldn't delete questions unless they're unsalvageable. Old questions will sink into oblivion; really old ones with no upvotes or answers will get deleted on their own.
If you see litter you can either keep on walking by or put your name to it and own putting it finally away into the landfill
I'm not that pedantic about cleanliness and I don't see old, closed questions as intrinsically bad.
Aug 14, 2016 02:17
Your reasons are not unreasonable
If the questions were really old (as in 6 months old or more), then I might consider deleting.
Suggested the answer's author improve the question, instead of waiting for a new question to be asked,so they can answer that.
Or fix it yourself I suppose.
This is one reason I'm not exactly a fan of @random's approach. Yes, cleanliness matters, but unless the content is genuinely problematic, I wouldn't just throw it out.
A fair few posts on various metas always go into how much of a crying shame it is they lost reputation on a "really good" answer they added, to a question they admit is a poorly written or scoped, yet they don't touch or propose any edits to make the pair both good and on the level. So long as they got theirs
Aug 14, 2016 02:21
What gets highly upvoted sometimes shocks me
Besides, the system already does a good measure of clean-up on its own.
In this case a really good answer got 60+ votes. Its not like they answered it with two sentences and got votes, or quoted a single command, and got 85 votes.
I agree if you answer a bad question you shouldn't get reputation but in this case, votes happened, for whatever reason
@random: It's important to realize that even bad questions can have answers that provide useful information. Don't just go out and delete closed questions just for the sake of cleanliness.
If I were a mod, I'd be more inclined to use the historical lock feature instead.
If a bad question is getting bad answers, I agree, that should be stopped.
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Q: Undelete and historically lock question 913055: Troubleshooting a physically damaged (kicked) desktop computer

bwDracoQuestion 913055, "I literally kicked my computer. Analysis and to do list for this situation?" (10k only), was deleted by a moderator after being closed as too broad. While the question is certainly too broad, it and its answers received a substantial number of views and upvotes prior to being d...

Aug 14, 2016 02:25
You can't go around historically preserving everything because you don't want to be seen as being mean
@random Not everything. Just questions that got lots of hits and have useful answers but wound up getting closed. These questions are rare and do not clutter the site.
Besides, the historical lock message makes it clear that the question is not a good example to follow.
To be honest, I've never really liked this approach to moderation. Cleanliness isn't everything. Closed questions aren't necessarily harmful to the site.
This is an example of the appropriate use of a historical lock:
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Q: Weirdest way to produce a stack overflow

masterX244As a programmer you certainly know the error of a stack overflow due to an obvious recursion. But there are certainly many weird and unusual ways to get your favourite language to spit that error out. Objectives: Must cause a stack overflow which is clearly visible on the error output. Not a...

> This question exists because it has historical significance, but it is not considered a good, on-topic question for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can ask similar questions here. This question and its answers are frozen and cannot be changed. More info: help center.
I always thought that its better to let the system runs its court, a question is asked and if its closed before an answer is submitted allow it to expire. if an answer is submitted then it remains closed and eventually (I suppose I thought this happened automatically) depending on the amounts of votes it received it would either be purged or kept.
In fact, the ESD question is precisely the sort of question I would historically lock after being closed for a few months.
The Code Golf one was locked on the same day it was closed. No chance to edit for a reopen
@random: Before you delete content, please make sure that it actually contributes nothing to the site. Bad questions can have good answers that don't deserve to be deleted.
Aug 14, 2016 02:33
What's your level of nothing?
@random Nothing means no meaningful contribution. It doesn't mean that minor questions with merely OK answers should stay, but it does mean that if there's an answer that can be useful to other readers, it should remain.
Remember our goals here: to build a knowledge base for readers and to provide a reliable venue for high-quality Q&A.
What is meaningful and what is merely upvoted because it was tweeted?
We should not be sacrificing knowledge just to keep the site clean.
This particular question wasn't tweeted though
You realize the top answer to the ESD question was very well written and can be very useful to folks Googling on the internet?
This is precisely why we have historical locks.
Aug 14, 2016 02:37
neither was either answer
@random It's a matter of potential usefulness to other readers on the Internet.
It was not concise. It was a long road to tell use no one talks about deep vein thrombosis either
@random That doesn't mean it should be deleted.
I'm sure others will find it to be a good answer.
As somebody who worked in that sector, some of the information stated, is 100% spot on
You may care deeply about conciseness and cleanliness, but you're much pickier than most in this regard.
Aug 14, 2016 02:39
I think I even mention that fact.
The vote spread on the answer was +59/-0. If the length or verbosity of the answer was an issue, there would likely have been a few downvotes.
Upvotes are free
Ultimately, it's a matter of content quality. The answer wasn't bad by any means, just that it's a bit wordier than I would like it to be. It doesn't meet any reasonable standard for deletion.
@random: You need to realize that closed questions are not always harmful to the site. This is why we have historical locks.
That's why the question was deleted. Over on Skeptics if you came in with a "This thing happened but I guess it don't. Why?" without laying out the basis for why one would think that, the community would want to fix the question
That is not why we have historical locks
I'm getting tired of arguing with a mod, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
@JourneymanGeek, your thoughts?
Aug 14, 2016 02:46
You have to look at the question and answers for overall quality. If the answer is supposedly good, the question deserves to match
I think we need a third opinion here. @Bob, @allquicatic, are you around?
Anyway, I'll be right back as I have some stuff to do.
Aug 14, 2016 03:04
@bwDraco or you can help find a compromise. How does one make the question better without changing the intent of it?
That would make most of the people here happier no?
The problem with the premise of the question is the mistaken believe it's still not an issue, so can if change the question so that mistaken believe isnt there, do the existing answers get invalidated? Can we then change the remaining question to something the answers actually answer or by doing so do we change the intent of the question?
Well, there's a precedent for a major edit to fit answers.
that said, I disagreed with Jeff Atwood on that so...
Regardless, it's getting late and I need to get to bed. Night.
If the asker is able to outline where they got their ill-formed notion that electrostatic discharge is a non-event today, that adds to the question quality without invalidating the answers
As it is it reads like something they thought of while taking a shower on the toilet
Similar-ish discussion on SO: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/286970/2825369
Aug 14, 2016 03:13
You take showers while on the toilet @random ?
> We do not delete good content. We do not delete good content.
lol
@Ramhound It's all pipes
guess you save time
Just would need a under carriage jet :-)
@Ramhound its called a bidet.
People spend lots of money I those .
Aug 14, 2016 03:15
In japan, they even warm the water stream it seems.
Anyway, edited the question
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A: Did we really have to delete this 80-vote community wiki answer after three years?

George StockerThe question should not have been deleted. Say it with me: We do not delete good content. We do not delete good content. There are bad answers on that question (no doubt!) and the question itself is off topic, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. If it had no good content? Sure. De...

@BenN without looking at the link I just know the phrase "we are all adults here" comes to mind
@random, please read this ^^^^^
Aug 14, 2016 03:16
I don't have a strong opinion here, but for what it's worth, Tim Post endorsed that answer
Anyway, that's pretty much it for me today.
@bwDraco we also improve bad content. So, you heard random's reasons, and they're pretty valid. So... fixing the question would be a good start.
Actually, Tim Post's endorsement applies to a slightly different scenario, sorry
@JourneymanGeek Agreed. Then again, good content should never be deleted.
The fact that the question needs improvement does not make the answers bad.
@DanDascalescu The people who delete old upvoted posts know what they're doing, and they know it's frowned upon. They just subscribe to the "If it's off topic, delete it" mentality. It's sort of a wrecking ball approach and often does more harm than good. Short of following them around (please don't), the best we can do is to apply more community pressure to not delete good content. They don't err too much; but they have enough that we're noticing and going behind them and fixing those times when they do egregiously err (like in this case). — George Stocker ♦ Feb 26 '15 at 17:58
@bwDraco I did undelete the question. An important and annoying part of moderation is trying to get a consensus and while you can't make everyone happy, actively trying to work on valid concerns
Even if its from another mod ;) (especially?)
Aug 14, 2016 03:18
Great, thanks.
We're all humans here, some discussion and occasional disagree is to be expected :)
I think we're all humans anyway
Question still needs to be improved though. So what can we do, I stated my concerns :$
Settling disagreements is just as important as maintaining the site and weeding out bad content.
I'll leave it at that. The question clearly could use an edit.
Outside of making it like "is ESD still a concern today" even though "..." Is used?
@bwDraco "could use" vs "yeah, edited it."
@Ramhound how? You can edit ;p
Aug 14, 2016 03:21
where "..." Is an educated guess at what the author thought prevented ESD
(yeah, I'm encouraging you to use your moderation powers"
@Ramhound yeah, In this case I cheated and tried to fit the question to the answer
Won't be doing it without feedback.
I can do something doesn't meant I should be doing it
@bwDraco All sides are presented on that page
At worst, rollback.
Of course, will have to think about it, might come up with something.
How about "is ESD still a concern today even though PCB design software has ESD compliance testing built into it?"
Aug 14, 2016 03:24
Dosen't fit the answers IMO
and the original question seems more end user focused
Darn
And omg I regconize that POS software in that screenshot on that page :$
Is the ESD question about it being a concern, or about mitigating it on their own machine?
Nooooo! My past is haunting me
The majority opinion has a +153/-28 vote spread while the opposing opinion had +24/-19. The consensus is quite strongly in favor of keeping content like this.
@JourneymanGeek Post edited further to improve readability.
@random seems like the former
but the latter makes a better question, and still fits the answers
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Q: Dealing with low quality, but hot questions

Journeyman GeekI've often commented on chat that "HNQs seem to straddle the line between the septic tank and greatness" - well not exactly but various things to that effect. I came across a situation where a fairly terrible question had great, highly voted answers, and was deleted. In the discussion that follo...

Aug 14, 2016 03:40
Should "Are computers less susceptible to ESD now?" be changed to "Are modern computers some how less susceptible to ESD now?"
Where is the asker even getting their misinformation? That has to factor into it
And is "some how" the word/words I am actually trying to say :$
Some place they read Windows 10 has spying features on ZDNet :$
Or "Are computers made in the last few years designed to be more electro-static resistant or am I just now thinking about it because I haven't touched the internals of a computer in the last some years?"
 
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