Conversation started Sep 12, 2013 at 18:59.
Sep 12, 2013 18:59
Welcome to Project Update Thursday
How does one remove really stripped screws from a wall stud when they're flush with something? (I really jacked the screws when I installed my tv mount... :/ )
@JimmyHoffa tried the rubber band thing?
Gotta give the countertop people a call, figured they would have called me by now
@JimmyHoffa
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A: How can I remove a really stuck screw?

Tester101Twist in the proper direction Are you turning the right way? Remember, "Righty tighty, Lefty loosy" (which never made sense to me). Most screws are right-handed threads, so you'll turn them anti(counter)-clockwise to remove them. In some situations left-hand thread screws are used (usually to ...

@BMitch Looking good
Is that real wood floor, or snap-click
@JimmyHoffa If you had used Robertson or Torx, you probably wouldn't have this problem.
Sep 12, 2013 19:08
@Tester101 Not stuck, stripped as in, really bloody stripped
@ChrisCudmore I have bad words about torx. stupid brake calipers
@Tester101 engineered click-lock
thought they were an allen key, bought allen socket set...had to go back and buy a torx one
And ruined the allen key at the same time.
@JimmyHoffa Grabit®
Sep 12, 2013 19:10
I have to admit, the click-lock stuff is incredibly easy to put down, but I haven't done all the trim yet.
@ChrisCudmore Yes and no. The problem was the instructions for the wall-mount said a 1/8" pilot hole would be appropriate, I stepped it up after attempts to find that It barely got the screws in after I pilotted 5/16, the instructions were just terribly wrong (the screws were obviously too large for a 1/8 pilot hole)
@BMitch Not a fan of it in the kitchen and bath, but looks good.
Combined with my stupidity, when I saw them getting stripped I should have not drove them in anyway, rather should have just gone to home depot with them and asked for identical others
@Tester101 I won't use it in a bath, and I'm considering a tile floor for my entryway. Still undecided on that.
@JimmyHoffa Yeah, that's why I always eye-ball the pilot bit against the screw shaft. I don't trust instructions for pilot holes. They often have it wrong.
Sep 12, 2013 19:12
@ChrisCudmore thankfully I realized something was wrong quick enough that I didn't ruin anything...
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Q: How to remove screws with stripped heads?

LordHitsI have wood screws whose heads are stripped from trying to remove them with a drill. The drill (or screwdrivers) can't grip the heads anymore. What can i use to remove these screws easily?

Is it a wood or steel stud?
@ChrisCudmore I learned my lesson, I would presume they wouldn't get that wrong (it's not hard to get right and why would they get it wrong ??)
@ChrisCudmore Better be wood otherwise I had an entirely different problem I wasn't even aware of.
And the simple option is to re-mount the stand 1/2 an inch higher and just leave the screw there.
@JimmyHoffa They convert from metric, and often forget to carry the one.
Sep 12, 2013 19:14
@Tester101 I wish they converted from metric and forgot to carry the instructions, I would have better luck on my damn own.
Real men don't read instructions.
They ask their wife to consult them (the instructions) when they can't figure something out.
@Tester101 Converting from metric is serious business. Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
@Tester101 is that before or after she rolls them up and beats them?
I find wives offer very helpful advice.
@Tester101 Thanks, I thought there was something like this but I didn't know what it were off hand. I'm sure it'll still need a drill likely more powerful than the one I used to begin with.
but I don't need to worry about that until I replace the TV. On the bright side as tight as those screws went in, that TV is quite safely mounted.
Sep 12, 2013 19:19
@ChrisCudmore Did your wife tell you to say that?
@ChrisCudmore Yeah, my wife's advice is usually "Please please call someone", that would have been helpful when I stripped the hell out of those screws.
"Is this code?"
No - this is code: public bool AmIAnIdiot(){return true;}
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Q: Is it code to have electrical wire going no where?

DMooreI have a wall open in the center of my house. I am going to run some 14-2 up it and and to about 5 feet from my panel, leaving plenty of extra wire to hook up in a few months. On the other end I am going to just leave about 30 extra feet in the attic. Is this code? I will be installing pot li...

And the insightful probing questions. "Why are you doing that?" "Are you using the right screwdriver?" "Do you really need to buy a new tool?"
Do you mean "is this permitted under code", or "is this a code violation?" — The Evil Greebo 8 mins ago
@TheEvilGreebo What's the difference?
If it's not permitted, isn't it a violation if you do it?
The question asked was "is this code?"
Sep 12, 2013 19:30
Oh.
I'll take that to mean "Is this a code compliant installation"
"Is this permitted under code" - "Yes"
"Is this a code violation" - "Yes"
Same response, two different meanings.
@TheEvilGreebo I would have just defined a constant for that.
@ChrisCudmore Slacker
Well, will the value ever change? Not Likely.
Sep 12, 2013 19:32
@ChrisCudmore STOP PUSHING YOUR ARBITRARY COMPILER EFFICIENCIES ON ME!
If it's Audio, Information Technology, Class 2, Class 3, PLTC, fire alarm, communication, coaxial, Network-powered Broadband, optical fiber cable, or electrical circuits for pipe organs, it must be identified for future use with a tag. — Tester101 6 mins ago
Pipe organs? Why pipe organs?
public bool IsThisRedundant(){return IsThisRedundant();}
@TheEvilGreebo no! no recursive loops without exit conditions
@waxeagle COWARD
FTFY:
public bool IsThisRedundant() Throws StackOverflowException {return IsThisRedundant();}
Sep 12, 2013 19:33
@JimmyHoffa ARTICLE 650 Pipe Organs
@TheEvilGreebo Not redundant, recursive, redundant would be public void Redundant(int x) { x = x; }
@ChrisCudmore Must be Java. C# doesn't require defining what it throws.
@JimmyHoffa Hmm. True.
public object Redundant(object x) {return x.clone()}
But it allows it
650.7 Installation of Conductors.... Abandoned cables that are not terminated at equipment shall be identified with a tag.
@ChrisCudmore Negative. C# doesn't support checked exceptions.
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Q: is there a throws keyword in C# like in Java?

peplamb Possible Duplicate: how to use Java-style throws keyword in C#? i have a function where an exception occurs say for example private void functionName() throws Exception { // some code that might throw an exception } thanks!

Sep 12, 2013 19:37
Thats because java f-ed it up, and C# didn't want anything to do with them.
Shame. It's useful.
@ChrisCudmore the closest you get is xml documenting
But having to wrap thread.sleep(1000) with a try ... catch (InterruptedException ie){} block is just nuts. Like there's a bloody thing I could do to fix that. Might as well crash the app.
But IO classes should have checked exceptions to force you to handle common issues. -
if you're in a process that can be interrupted wouldn't you want to use an asynch pattern?
Hmm thats a fair point
oh well we'll write D% and implement it there
you get started, i'll jump in after a bit
For example. Your database or internet connection will go down at one point. So piping data in/out of those should be checked.
Now you're just being silly. Connections never fail.
Sep 12, 2013 19:42
You're right. Stupid of me.
@Tester101 did you reject Hoffa's edit?
@JimmyHoffa Thanks, but no thanks. I don't feel like listing every code section that references abandoned cable.
@TheEvilGreebo Yes
I was about to approve it.
shrug
650.7 only pertains to pipe organs, and is not relevant to the rest of the cables listed.
Each one has it's own article, and a code section about abandoned cable.
they call me... hard to kill
Sep 12, 2013 19:45
Said @lsiunsuex Randomly.
Are we back to Steven Seagal?
Did we ever leave
"Steven Seagal movies are "classic", so are on topic for "American Movie Classics" channel."
need a meme made up "SE user for years... still doesn't know how to use chat"
2 hours ago, by Tester101
Steven Seagal movies are "classic", so are on topic for "American Movie Classics" channel.
permalinks are annoying.
@Tester101 Ok, fair enough.
Sep 12, 2013 19:49
In other news, it looks like Java has finally fixed dates to be somewhat less than annoying.
I just wish C# would do the same.
that being said, SS movies are about the most normal thing on TV during the day. there's some really weird stuff on.
@ChrisCudmore In other other news, apparently every stackexchange site is inhabited solely by programmers, regardless of the site topic... O_o
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Aug 22 at 16:12, by Tester101
Just don't try and watch TV during the day. I think people started working during the day, because the TV programming was so terrible.
@JimmyHoffa well, yes
how the hell do you find this stuff so quickly
Sep 12, 2013 19:50
@lsiunsuex top right corner, it's a search box
@JimmyHoffa That's because it all started with StackOverflow. That's where everybody came from.
re:
3 mins ago, by lsiunsuex
need a meme made up "SE user for years... still doesn't know how to use chat"
And StackOverflow became annoying to be a regular on, so we all moved to different sites.
@Tester101 I get that, but a part of me would hope the other sites would actually have attracted their own community from google such as SO did rather than just attracting people from SO.
@ChrisCudmore Yeah, FGITW is annoying; that's why I'm mainly on Programmers.SE
conversely, i still find it to be an incredible pain in the a** changing the GMT offset when someone from california visits my site on a server with the time set to EDT. no big deal on discussions and blog posts; but 4 hours is a hell of a lot of a difference when an live event either starts at 6pm or 2pm for a student
Sep 12, 2013 19:53
Only the annoying prats stayed on StackOverflow, everybody else abandoned ship once all the programming questions that could ever be asked were asked.
what's FGITW?
fastest gun in the west
@JimmyHoffa Contractors don't sit in front of a computer all day.
i ust to hang out in the server fault chat room; those guys are bigger d**ks then SO i think
@Tester101 Whaaa? I didn't know there were jobs like that...
Sep 12, 2013 19:56
Hello @Pschultz, welcome to PUT!
Programming Update Thursday!
we're totally talking about our DIY projects and not programming....totally
still can't figure out these (web) sockets
Look, I'm like @Aarthi, welcoming new Gravatars.
though my DIY lately has been more cars than houses :(.
Sep 12, 2013 19:57
@waxeagle have you caught any of the Frankfurt auto show coverage?
@JimmyHoffa You need a Gravatar photo.
@lsiunsuex nah, but we did just have to buy a new car...so I'm not working on one of our two for a good long while
thats one sexy car - there was a video of it actually in motion but they took it down :(
@Tester101 With the middle name of riddle, his eventual villainy was inevitable. I've thought about doing that however I've grown rather attached to my gravatar over the years. It's quite a pleasant one I think :)
Sep 12, 2013 20:01
Very symmetrical.
Does anybody other than @BMitch do any home improvement?
So I'm going through the SO review stack. Get this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/18274464/…
when i have money and am not unemployed and working for free; Yes! very much so!
VTC as Unclear, seeing as there is actually no question.
Surprise! This was an Audit! There's nothing wrong with this question.
@Tester101 I've paid people to improve my home today, they're doing it right now (I'm WFH), does that count?
Bullshit.
Sep 12, 2013 20:05
next year i plan to rip out the rest of the grass in my back yard, pour 10 cu yards of sand and build myself a little beach
Wait... What!? Questions, have to be questions!?
@lsiunsuex I think it's only a beach if there's water, otherwise it's a desert.
think i might start an Area 51 for Steven Seagal movies
@Tester101 part of the plan includes an 8ft sq x 4ft deep ccncrete block spa i intend to dig out and build
"Why does Steven Seagal have to break everybody's neck?"
I mean, he shot them 12 times, aren't they already dead? Is he afraid of zombies?
"If you highjack a spy satellite and steven seagal isn't around, does anyone notice?"
@Tester101 Xeriscape, it's not desert, it's natural!
Sep 12, 2013 20:09
"Is Steven Seagal immortal ?"
a: no, hes just hard to kill
thank you all, time to go pick up the wife from work. see you tomorrow, same great time, same great place!
Is there anything tricky about building a bearing wall around a front yard to level it?
It seems like back breaking labor that uses all the facilities you learned when you were 10, which means I should be able to do it, but I don't know what I don't know
So you want to backfill?
digging the footer would be the biggest PITA
@lsiunsuex Yeah, trenching is never easy, I'm just curious if there are general concerns (other than grade) to be aware of
@JimmyHoffa you must be new here
Sep 12, 2013 20:12
@ChrisCudmore flag that sucker
by hand, with a shovel - 100 concrete blocks, 40 bags of concrete, 6cu yards of crusher run
2 months at night after work and on weekends
@lsiunsuex renting almost 2 decades now... I know how to change a light bulb, everything else was done by maintenance people.
get a shovel, watch some youtube videos, get to work
I posted a rant on meta.
drink plenty of water and protein shakes dont hurt either
Sep 12, 2013 20:14
How high?
gatta go - later.
@lsiunsuex Nothing to really know other than put your back into it?
@ChrisCudmore haven't measured, 3-4', maybe 5
You've got to tie it back somehow. That's a lot of dirt trying to topple the wall.
What materials?
guess it depends on exactly how I want to lay it. I have a big cement porch (Ugh.. no such thing as uncracked cement slabs over 5 years old in Colorado..) which has stairs going down maybe 4-5' to the driveway, I want to elevate and flatten my front yard but I'll probably bring it up 1 or 2 ' below the top of my front porch depending on how many steps I want down from the porch to the level part.
You can probably go 2 - 3 courses easy with simple landscape blocks.
Sep 12, 2013 20:18
@Tester101 That's the general plan.
3 - 4 feet is a bit of a different story.
How about landscape timbers or railway ties?
@ChrisCudmore timbers I could probably get away with, the wife already veto'd railway ties which are abundant here, but apparently ugly, who knew.
do you get better support with timbers than landscape blocks?
Well, it's easier to tie it back.
Give me a minute to MSPaint something.
You also have to worry about drainage behind the wall. You don't want water to push the wall over.
Sep 12, 2013 20:23
@Tester101 Yeah, that's kind of where I figured I was going to need genuine advise
Here's a good video.
That's the Idea. You build a T tied into the wall and bury it.
If you can get it far enough back to tie into a trench dug in the existing slope you're golden.
@ChrisCudmore ahh you anchor it, so long as it crosses the point of the pressure towards the outside, it'll be pushed down or the opposite direction if far enough
Then stick a 3 ft Rebar through it.
are there not cinders and such that could be bound with for instance rebar running through them to brace similarly?
Sep 12, 2013 20:31
Overengineering at its best!
I'm not familiar with a cinder solution, but I really haven't looked into it.
That's what I assumed you meant by "landscaping blocks" I was presuming those red gradiated cinder style blocks
because the openings inside I would think you'd be able to reinforce them. I tend to see bearing walls built with them...
This is landscape block...
That looks interesting.
Ah yes that's what I was thinking of @Tester101, but I thought those had hollowed out spaces inside like cinders..
same size and such, they just have that pleasant looking fascia
Sep 12, 2013 20:35
@ChrisCudmore Is the bird required, or can I just place the pins?
Bird, and Motherf###ing Giant Hand are mandatory!
Landscape blocks have a little lip on the back, so they lock together.
@Tester101 Bird, white glove, and poorly placed drainage line required
That's a well placed drainage line.
Sep 12, 2013 20:37
Shoudnt' the drainage line be below the footer?
@ChrisCudmore The hand isn't giant, the bird is small. Obviously that's the birds compactor, so it's small too.
If that's the scale we're talking about, then it's definately over-engineered.
@Tester101 That's a great picture just because it lists multiple easy to make mistakes
@ChrisCudmore What? Birds aren't entitled to strong walls?
Sep 12, 2013 20:39
I'm just saying that lego would be sufficient if that's our scale.
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It's hard to find Lego in all the same color.
@ChrisCudmore This is a surprisingly intriguing approach... I'd like to hear more about it.
This just hurts my eyes.
Lego bearing wall... I'd just have to yell at the neighbor kids to quit stealing blocks...
Without having read through the entire thing, that Family Handyman site looks pretty good.
Sep 12, 2013 20:44
Family Handyman is a great magazine, and they have great articles online too.
This was a good episode, but I'm not sure I'd pay for it.
In all reality, the next DIY project I actually will genuinely be doing is the backyard firepit
Where are you?
Temperatures will drop in about a month and that's cheap and easy; just buy 20 or 30 small nice looking landscape blocks
Sep 12, 2013 20:49
Check local code. A firepit may be illegal. A Barbeque however, is usually ok. So you need to include a grill.
checked with my city code, so long as it's made of appropriate material and no higher than 2' and no greater diameter than 3' it's fine
And every time you light a fire, you must toast one marshmallow.
@ChrisCudmore This is my wife's rule
@ChrisCudmore Number 5 can be done with a GFCI, but better safe than sorry I guess.
> 3. Recreational fire: An outdoor fire burning materials other than rubbish where the fuel being burned is not contained in an incinerator, outdoor fireplace, barbeque grill, or barbeque pit and has a total fuel area of 3 feet or less in diameter and 2 feet or less in height for pleasure,religious, ceremonial, cooking, warmth or similar purposes.
> a. Note: Fires not complying with this definition are regulated as open burning fires or bonfires.
Sep 12, 2013 20:52
Time to make the doughnuts. Later boys.
That's fire code.
Also check for city council prohibitions.
@ChrisCudmore Good idea.
The FD only cares that you don't burn the neighbourhood down. There may be pollution restrictions.
Like in LA
Protip: Regardless of scale, Lego is not an appropriate material for a fire pit.
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Yes, but the evidence either destroys itself or you can't prove it's a fire pit
It's a landscaping circle
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