Conversation started Jul 12, 2012 at 19:01.
Jul 12, 2012 19:01
Welcome to Project Update Thursday
Hi folks!
@Tester101: thanks for your nice answer about the porch beam.
No problem. Hope it's helpful.
whee!
Project Update time, my favorite time.
On my end, the big project I've been working on is: diy.stackexchange.com/help
I saw your comment from 6hrs ago, figured out a plan, and was about to go do it - then I saw your full answer, so now I'm going to think through it again.
@Aarthi that's totally not home improvement :P
Jul 12, 2012 19:07
@waxeagle for some definitions of home! :P
@JayBazuzi After reading @BMitch's comment, I'd probably go with the second method. I'm not sure if double stacked 2x4s would hold the weight over a 6' span.
i haven't been doing much of anything since vacation. Pizza oven is done! used it on the 4th of july - came out awesome once we figured out how to build a fire without accelerators. spare bedroom i started drywalling still needs to be sanded, maybe another coat of drywall compound, primed, painted, trim, window trim, new door, new byfolding closet door, lighting installed :(
Using the ledger, you should have no problems spanning 7'+
I agree - something stronger than stacked 2x4s is required.
I have some rough-sawn lumber from our land that I don't know what to do with. It's full-dimensioned, so it doesn't fit anywhere, ha ha!
I think I can use it as the porch beam, and it will look nice.
@JayBazuzi firewood! :)
someone got really pissed at me when i wanted to burn old world dimensional wood :(
Jul 12, 2012 19:11
I have many stacks of logs just waiting to be processed in to lumber or firewood. sigh
one of these days I'm going to blog about replacing my main water shutoff
@JayBazuzi FREE FIREWOOD!
or a new floor
what does "Dimensional" mean?
Jul 12, 2012 19:17
is it hardwood? i'll take it!
Sorry I'm late peeps, my mouse died :(
sorry "full dimensioned"
spelling optional obviously
It's Douglas Fir.
thats a soft pine isn't it?
is that a hardwood? :)
Jul 12, 2012 19:18
@TheEvilGreebo One of these days somebody is going to blog about something. Hopefully soon!
tester: changing the water main shutoff was kinda fun
@TheEvilGreebo full dimensioned means taht it's actually the size it says it is, rather than the pre planed size you buy at the hardware store
and I only made 2 trips to the store and only BOUGHT stuff on one of them!
my blog post was done until the server got hacked and they lost my photos :(
@lsiunsuex I haz a sad 4 u
Jul 12, 2012 19:19
hardware store 2x4 is more like 1.75x3.5 or something...
@lsiunsuex maybe they hacked the server to steal your photos
but they'll never take my soul...
(if I understand that correctly)
@lsiunsuex eats your soul
er
<-- eats @Mario 's soul
Jul 12, 2012 19:19
well that didn't work either damnit
@BMitch poor mousie. he was a good lad.
eats @mario 's soul
VICTORY!
@BMitch you should really keep it away from the traps...
now i need to get back to work
Jul 12, 2012 19:20
my mouse was made with inferior parts :-/
howdy @VebjornLjosa
dude, get an apple magic mouse - best mouse made, hands down
works with Windows too if thats your thing
I'm in the middle of stripping paint from doors. Did one door so far.
Ohhh. that kind of mouse.
Jul 12, 2012 19:22
@VebjornLjosa long time no see!
hi @Aarthi
@lsiunsuex apple, windows, what are they?
@BMitch Fruit and something you install in a house, right?
I'm annoyed with the whole nominal 2x4 thing.
<-- really needs to get back to work
Jul 12, 2012 19:23
f' work - its thursday!
Everyone claims that 2x4s are 1.5x3.5 because it shrinks when drying + planing.
That's a lie.
We're able to create very regular lumber at any size - note that 2x4s are all the same thickness.
@TheEvilGreebo tell them your in a meeting
@JayBazuzi, it's because they milli them to that size
So we could create them at 2" x 4"
They could mill them any size they want.
saw them to 2x4, let them dry, then mill them to 1.5x3.5
Jul 12, 2012 19:24
its so they can squeeze more planks out of a tree
they start at 2x4, but process them down, or at least they used to
so why are they not 2x4 ?
@JayBazuzi They saves monies
@JayBazuzi btw lie is a strong word here - how about "mistake"
now they make them smaller for historical reasons
Jul 12, 2012 19:25
@BMitch Historically 2" used to be smaller? ;)
the .5 inches doesn't effect structure that much, but .5 * 3 is another 2x4
It does affect structure, as (2) 2x4s is not the same as a 4x4.
We end up screwing around with 1/2" plywood to make things work out.
interestingly, how much smaller differs a lot between different countries
or - 3.5" + 2 sheets of drywall (1 on each side) = 4"
so you get 4" walls w/ drywall
if you use 1/4" drywall anyway and who uses that?
Jul 12, 2012 19:26
i always use 1/2 inch drywall
a milled 2x4 is 1.89x3.86 in in Norway, but 1.5x3.5 in the US
oh wow.
@TheEvilGreebo I used it for the bulkheads around the vents/beams in my basement
(well, only on the bottom/"ceiling") actually)
I would be willing to pay for the additional board-feet if all lumber was as big as the name.
And we'd often use 1x4s where we currently use 2x4s, so we might not actually use more wood.
@JayBazuzi 2x4 sounds better than 1.5x3.5.
Jul 12, 2012 19:31
has anyone had doors custom made?
So I picked up the werner mt-22 ladder tuesday AM
I think they're going to introduce a new model soon or something, it was only $160
How many mistakes have architects and carpenters made over the years, because they forgot to adjust for actual lumber sizing? How much has that cost us?
@JayBazuzi probably not as many as they did at first!
@JayBazuzi, the aspect ratio of 2 would be convenient sometimes
3/4" plywood and 1x lumber are the same thickness!
Jul 12, 2012 19:34
If you go in the store asking for a 1.5x3.5, you're going to get some strange looks, and probably the wrong thing
i wanna know why plywood is sold in such weird fractions
I can't find 3/4 ply anymore, it's 23/32 now.
i never see 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, only crazy stuff like 23/32 or 43/56's...
@lsiunsuex It's so we all have to buy new tape measures.
ah, the joy of fractions instead of decimals
Jul 12, 2012 19:36
And get glasses to count the tiny 32nd marks.
we get to stand around in the lumberyard counting on our fingers
@Aaron those are fun, although the one I've used was a bit unstead if you got up over the fold fully extended...
3 years ago when we did our kitchen, the tile guy said use 1/2inch plywood as the base on the cabinets (tiled countertops) - we told him we went to the store and there is no 1/2 inch plywood. the guy looked at us like we were crazy
It looks like they quietly knocked 1/32" off all plywood.
it's the nominal/actual thing again
… but to confuse matters, hardwood veneer plywood is often "full" thickness, so nominal = actual
Jul 12, 2012 19:39
Soon they'll decide that 12ga wire is nominal - 14ga actual
maybe that's why they started listing actual thickness for everything
US government put a tax on plywood, they take 1/32 of each sheet.
2
a step i @JayBazuzi's direction, right?
They were going to take it off the end of each sheet, but they used the verbiage "off the top" and the manufacturers took it literally.
:P
@Tester101 how did we get by without you?
Jul 12, 2012 19:44
Is this serious?
anyone wanna offer an opinion on this?
unless your asking for paint color opinions on houzz, their not very helpful :(
and DIY forums don't allow those types of questions
@lsiunsuex, I think I would try to draw it in Google Sketchup too get an idea of how it would look with the root
@VebjornLjosa yeah probably or atleast take a photo of the viewing angle i think will look weird and try to photoshop it in
I did that with the shed the town wouldn't let me build (grrr)
Don't forget to put a drain(s) in the floor, and slope the floor to the drain(s). otherwise you could end up with wading pool.
Jul 12, 2012 19:51
@Tester101 my plan calls for not a solid concrete pad, but multiple pads with a 6 - 12 inch gap between (filled in with river rock) -- u think i still need a drainage pipe ? wouldn't it drain between the river rock into the ground?
@lsiunsuex Maybe. might be worth it to lay some perforated pipe in the gaps before filling with rocks, depending on your area, the drainage in your yard, annual rain fall, etc.
true
buffalo ny - not alot of rain - medium snow fall
What is the soil like? if you have a lot of clay, water will not drain through it well.
Might be worth it to ask about drainage on Gardening.
dont know - haven't really dug into it yet. i plan to dig the hole myself haha - why blow money on a back hoe when i can get quite a workout
@waxeagle yeah I'll try it out over the weekend. Some of the reviews say it is really heavy to extend, so I'll have to see how that goes
Jul 12, 2012 19:56
either way; quitting time for the day. thanks for the bits of insight.
@lsiunsuex digging through tree roots SUCKS!
insight? Who's the wise guy that started giving out insight around here?
@Tester101: they're very tough!
using a pointed shovel, and sharpening it with a file, helps
@lsiunsuex, you may get a surprise; I had a hard enough time digging holes for fence posts
@lsiunsuex Rent a Skid-steer
@JayBazuzi Too bad dirt and stones dull the blade so fast.
Jul 12, 2012 20:00
I have a pointed shovel, a square shovel, a digging bar, a post holer, and a mattock, and I use them all.
I rented a Dingo for digging in the yard. It was great fun: diy.stackexchange.com/a/515/21
Somebody needs to invent a sharpened shovel, that doesn't dull. I'm looking at you Ginsu.
Dingos do a lot - I used one with a 24" auger, made a huge mess!
And they have a trencher (ditchwitch) attachment.
I wish I had one on hand, but I don't want to own one.
Just don't let the dingo near your baby.
I often want to use one for 10 minutes - too small to go rent one.
Jul 12, 2012 20:07
there is an amusement park in Germany for grown men (and women, I suppose). it's basically a big sandbox with real excavators, dump trucks, etc. that the visitors can play with.
sounds dangerous
@VebjornLjosa that sounds awesome
@BMitch nice one. :P
@Aarthi did you see the news report about that actually happening?
The construction project for our new building at work stopped because they are waiting to get the crane certified. The inspector who was supposed to certify it didn't buckle in like he was supposed to when climbing, so the on-site insurance guy took a picture, and the inspector was fired before he could finish the inspection. So now they have to wait for a new inspector. :)
Jul 12, 2012 20:09
I enjoyed this video series: youtube.com/user/MyGarageBuild
He built a huge garage, filming along the way.
@BMitch yup
He had an old tractor and a bucket truck that looked helpful.
@VebjornLjosa ahahaha that's funny and sad at once
@Aarthi the whole time I'm reading the story, I'm thinking "dang it Seinfeld, stop making me laugh at this"
oh hey wasn't @BMitch living next to the loudest construction zone ever? were you continuing to enjoy the poorly-done work on the development's homes? :P
Jul 12, 2012 20:11
yup, gotta love construction sites
whee
It's a bit quieter in the summer, all the leaves on the trees help
heh i bet.
what doesn't help is the massive tree that fell right by my place after the storm
fortunately, it fell away from my place, otherwise, I'd be in trouble
oh thank goodness
Jul 12, 2012 20:13
For some reason, I just started thinking about gravity.
@VebjornLjosa I wish they did something to stop all the free climbing that happens on US cell towers, workers are dying all the time because they don't attach their safety harness
@BMitch, are you responsible for your trees' damage in your state? Not here in Mass.
@VebjornLjosa it varies
trees on hoa property are removed by the HOA, homeowners have to remove their own trees
@BMitch, [re: cell phone towers] evolution in action, right?
damage is considered an act of God and covered under the recipients policy
but if you notify the tree owner that their tree is a hazard (e.g. if it's dead and could hit your property when it falls) then the liability shifts to the tree owner for any damage it causes
Jul 12, 2012 20:16
interesting
so I suppose everyone notifies their neighbors about all their trees, regardless of their apparent health, just in case?
@VebjornLjosa [re towers] partially, for a lot of the workers it's about the time to do it safe, and their bosses fire them for taking too long
@BMitch In Montgomery they did a debris collection early this week, we all just threw the debris on the side of the road
@VebjornLjosa i know i would.
we had to pay extra for our hoa landscaping company to come through and clean everything up, but then we had trees on top of cars and over people's fences
@VebjornLjosa if the tree isn't dead, I'm not sure it would stick
I'm so glad I don't have a HOA to deal with
I once lived in a condo, and that was bad enough
Jul 12, 2012 20:20
I had a dead one removed from the HOA property, the arborist(sp?) didn't want to remove it, but the second I said something he knew it had to go
Luckily nothing fell on something on our property, but there were some cars smashed a few streets over as well as some trees completely across the roads
It was something
sadly, I'm on the board of my HOA and have to deal with all this stuff, it's educational, but also a pain in the butt trying to keep everyone happy
I think condos are worse, too many common walls to deal with, I've only got one neighbor and he's pretty good
ok, I'm gonna hit the trail and get some fresh air. If no one closes up before I get back, I'll take care of it
have a great weekend everyone!
got to go … ttfn
Jul 12, 2012 20:50
10 minute warning~
Jul 12, 2012 21:03
Thanks for joining us for Project Update Thursday! :D
 
Conversation ended Jul 12, 2012 at 21:03.