Conversation started Feb 6, 2024 at 12:35.
Feb 6, 2024 12:35
This is one of the longest answers I've written on LitSE, and it's all just to argue: (1) Randolph is wrong (2) The question, while interesting, is off-topic.
@verbose Ok, it's possible that you'd hate it there, though I don't think Sci Fi would hate you.
@verbose That's completely normal.
Hmm, now I wonder what my longest answer on SE sites is.
Though of course that could depend on how you count images, or how you count community wiki answers that I own but were mostly written by others.
@b_jonas Well, I put the whole thing too strongly. I think we'd just be at cross purposes. SFF folks care about the internal coherence of texts, they put a lot of trust in authorial authority (ha), etc. My training in literary analysis is rather differently oriented.
@b_jonas It is? I don't think I've ever been called "completely normal" before :-)
Hmm, I have a query for long answers at data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/1334199/…
@verbose Writing an answer that a question is based on an mistaken assumption or is off-topic is normal. And the explanation for that sometimes has to be long, though admittedly you write more long answers than most users. Arguing that another answer is wrong is also normal.
@verbose "they put a lot of trust in authorial authority" => only when it's not George Lucas, but yes, that does sometimes happen.
@b_jonas My sense of SFF (based on what I see and recognize in the HNQ) is that a large portion of it is "JK Rowling said this in a tweet, so that is the definitive answer."
@verbose Yes, and I can see why you find that annoying, especially as those JKR threads represent not only a lot of notes but also a lot of upvotes.
But Sci Fi has other interesting content, including story-identification questions.
I don't have any particularly long answers on SE it seems, except for a few on Sci Fi Meta. That's probably why I didn't recall what the longest was.
I do have a particularly long story-id question on Sci Fi; I also have a question with a particularly long answer (encouraged by my question).
Feb 6, 2024 13:10
also I may have indirectly encouraged one of the longest answers on Sci Fi SE scifi.stackexchange.com/a/218318/4918 , by supporting other similar multi-identification image questions.
Feb 6, 2024 14:09
@verbose Answering questions that you regard off topic is a bad practice. If it's off topic, you close vote it instead of answering it. (How open-ended is a list of "entry-level annotated editions" anyway? It's unavoidably a very small number.)
 
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Feb 6, 2024 19:51
@b_jonas I'm not a huge fan of questions generally. On Lit SE, most of the time my (internal) response to them is, "I don't understand what makes the work worth the effort of identifying." I do admire people like Ayshe and Clara who are so good at fulfilling id requests, and I'm glad that many users get a nice nostalgia hit out of this site by getting the info they seek about childhood favorites, but for me personally story id is not an incentive.
Feb 6, 2024 20:01
I also find the sheer number of story id questions we get off-putting. In February so far, four out of 17 questions have that tag. That's pretty close to 25%, which seems high, no? (And since a different four of those 17 were from me, that feels more like four out of 13 questions to me ....)
A couple times the questions have led to my reading a poem that I'dn't've come across otherwise, but I have yet to find any of the identified short stories, fairy tales, comics, genre fiction, etc. that get asked about interesting enough to make me want to read them. YMMV.
@Tsundoku I did vote to close. I also pointed out when the question was first posted that it was off topic. A mod disagreed. I also think "it's unavoidably a very small number" is a wrong reason for keeping the question open. First, it's not small; do a search for "Le Morte D'Arthur" on any public library website. Second, "entry-level" is a weasel word. What's an entry-level annotated edition of Hamlet?
I'm re-reading Paradise Lost (for my sins) and have at hand two editions: the Oxford student edition by Orgel and Goldberg, and the Modern Library edition by Kerrigan, Rumrich, and Fallon (the last was my dissertation advisor). I couldn't tell you which is "entry-level." They both have good scholarly apparatus, each modernizes the spelling (one to British, the other to American practice), each explains particularly thorny vocabulary or syntax in the notes.
I prefer the Modern Library for any number of reasons, but that's my opinion. If someone else says the Oxford is better, I can't argue. They're both good. Which one counts as an answer to "name a good entry-level annotated edition of PL"? How is that not asking for (a) recommendations—the Malory q specifically uses that word! (b) opinion (c) an open-ended list, all of which are closeworthy reasons?
@verbose I think the solution is to increase the rate of the other questions, in that case :)
Feb 6, 2024 20:17
@Mithical why d'you think I posted four questions on Everett's hilarious, heart-searing novel, my young friend. (Everett was also on the faculty at the same school and in roughly the same department Fallon was and still is. Everett taught American literature and mostly Creative Writing, so while we had a nodding acquaintance, I doubt he'll remember me. I'm still in touch with Fallon.)
@verbose I tend to agree - I don't think I've seen the specific question under discussion here before, but I don't think it's really answerable without at least defining what "entry-level" actually means.
@Mithical Great, now I've started another battle between the mods about whether a given post should stand or be deleted. I think I'll go home now.
Wait, I'm already home.
I've closed it (not deleted).
@verbose Rand was not a moderator on Literature.SE at the time that those comments and answer were written, so you can consider that the first diamond action on the post.
 
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