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3:00 PM
@allquixotic the one who suggested running CRUD on a laptop?
 
@ewwhite That's a ball of wax... I like what I do, like most of the people, etc. But I've maxed out here. There's no growth potential in most senses of the phrase.
 
@ChrisS Hmmm, want to work in NY?
I mean, from your house...
I mean, in a remote situation...
Oops, missed that :)
 
@JennyD no, the one who said SSL wasn't necessary for security. well I can't say no; I don't know what Karen did in comms room (but I think she got b&ed....) Anyway she trolled Root Access quite a bit, too.
 
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Q: Technical security issues with proactively executing a phishing campaign targeting your own users

Beaming Mel-BinWe've had some issues with compromised accounts due to users falling victim to phishing campaigns. The possibility of us doing a phishing campaign against our own users to proactively shame them has come up. Putting aside my personal issues with this, I have some security-related problems: If...

better for Security.SE?
 
@JennyD Better closed IMHO. Bad subjective.
Just judging from the comments so far, it seems like people are totally ignoring the fact that the OP asked technical, answerable questions and are just going for the general rhetorical concept of whether or not it is socially wise to attempt to do that in the first place.
It's one of those things where there's so much water under the bridge that the bridge floods out. Might've been useful, but nope
 
3:11 PM
@allquixotic I think it falls under "you can't really solve a social problem with a technical solution"
 
@JennyD: depends. Is a LART a technical solution?
 
@JourneymanGeek It doesn't have to be.
 
@JennyD I agree. It's a bit subjective, but IT Sec's rules are much more lenient about such things.
 
Maybe join The DMZ and ask them if they want it
 
@ChrisS There's already a fair bit of phishing posts there. I voted to close and pointed at sec.SE
 
3:12 PM
Not active enough on that site (just a few hundred rep) to know if they would
 
@allquixotic Same here; I've only just answered one question there.
 
@tombull89 ahh, rachel is the one who stood for SU elections on the platform of 'vote for me cause I'm cute'
 
o_O
 
@allquixotic: I wish I was kidding ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek ooh, that means I can do that too!
 
3:14 PM
er, no ;p
 
though what are we voting for in SU elections?
 
my dog could tho
 
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Q: red hat cluster doesn't migrate on node shutdown

user173254i have 3 node cluster using conga interface . qdisk is working fine.service running is httpd. now when i shutdown a node on which service is running currently it gets fenced and rebooted but my services doesn't migrate to another available node in cluster . following is my cluster.conf file ...

conga guy is back with the exact same question
 
@DennisKaarsemaker: mods? ;p
 
@DennisKaarsemaker we're voting for the person who gets the most stars in Root Access, basically
 
3:15 PM
the poor bastards who have to deal with my flags there
 
rep / meta participation be damned
 
@JourneymanGeek oh, nevermind then. I never want to be mod of anything again.
 
lol
being a mod is a PITA
 
yes.
Responsibilities suck. Other people can have those while I drink scotch :)
 
3:18 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker And yet, you're a sysadmin. Does not compute.
 
Power is thrust upon those that don't want it, or something like that.
 
@JennyD that's work, I get paid for that :)
 
Then again, not really; you can't force me to run for SU mod. ;p
 
lol
@allquixotic: sure we can
 
Here I just want to answer questions and entertain people in chat. Responsibilities be damned.
 
3:19 PM
all we need is enough rope and a few drugs.
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@DennisKaarsemaker Fair point. But from my experience, there's a strong correlation between "good sysadmin" and "takes a lot of responsibility in their personal life"
 
@allquixotic: I was asked a lot why I didn't stand ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek You'll never take my Google Account password! NEVER!!!! Oh, and /me shatters his smartphone MWAHAHAHAHA 2-factor authentication!
 
I had exams that week
 
@JennyD true, but there's a saying in dutch "De boog kan niet altijd gespannen staan". Roughly means that you can't work all the time and need downtime too :)
 
3:21 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker I'm doing my second round of anti-stress therapy to try to learn that :-)
 
stress.... I have some of that.
 
@JennyD you have a horse. Can't be too stressed riding that :)
 
@JennyD Diminishing Returns. You've got to pick where that effort goes. I've got 2 kids, 2 cats, a house, and 3 motorcycles to care for.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker That's very true - he's very good at letting me know when my stress affects him. But I can be in the board of the club, and thus have to be a volunteer at every local show we've got...
but mainly just being at the stable is relaxing.
My riding trainer told me that she appreciated that I'm changing jobs, because my riding has been a lot better since I handed in my notice here.
 
@JennyD New jobs for everyone!
 
3:26 PM
@MDMarra you too?
 
It's funny how it happens in waves with people in this room
@ewwhite Haha, no. I've only been at this one for 2 months
 
@MDMarra I only started hanging out here after I'd already handed in my notice...
 
Even so, @Cole, @ewwhite, @Adrian, @JoelESalas, and me all have new jobs since the start of the year
 
fuck me bandy, this guy knows nothing, check his activity for today - serverfault.com/q/506748/1435
 
It also happened maybe a year or so ago
@Chopper3 He'll be quality-banned soon
 
3:30 PM
he has one still open with 4 votes to close, be nice if that one went away too
 
done
 
@Chopper3 he's a sharepoint admin... what did you expect? (not that all sharepoint admins are that bad, but if they're a one-trick pony, then yes.)
 
@Chopper3 Do you remember way back when you had a diamond?
 
@allquixotic I expect him to pour gas over his head in his cubicle and ignite it just to make me happy
@MDMarra I do, the "rage years" I call that time
 
Although, whenever you post something bad in here it gets closed right away anyway
it's like you've got a banhammer emeritus
 
3:33 PM
I have a question - Am I unusually mean?
Like when a newb walks into my office and asks me a question and my answer is "`man <commandname>`, then come back to me if you're still confused." -- is that unusual for the sysadmin profession these days?
 
depends on the tone. It can be mean and it can be friendly.
It not unusual to be prickly as a sysadmin. We tend not to suffer fools gladly...
 
@voretaq7 It's a concise and useful answer, giving an avenue for further questions. What could be wrong?
How to find the answers for yourself is the most important thing anyone will ever learn. You are helping them get there. This is good.
 
I've got a HD plugged into the eSATA port on my laptop. I forgot how loud physical drives are.
 
@MDMarra yes, I'm happy to 'seek influence' - that was the term I used when I screamed at someone so much they fell backwards down the stairs we were standing on and they fractured three vertebras - HR bought it (again) so all's well
 
3:36 PM
@voretaq7 You probably shouldn't take my advice then. I've been told off similarly.
 
(admittedly he was the 5th or 6th RTFM comment yesterday so I was getting to the point of "OH MY GOD ARE YOU PEOPLE ALL STUPID AND ILLITERATE?")
 
@MDMarra well mine was Dec 2012, but close enough
 
@voretaq7 that idiot was too sensitive, your comment was good.
 
@voretaq7 you need to have a benchmark, so ask "am I unusually mean compared to X"
 
@Chopper3 well I haven't made any carrier representatives cry in YEARS...
 
3:37 PM
@voretaq7 Also, I upvoted that comment...
 
@JennyD likewise :)
 
@JennyD I think everyone who downvoted the question upvoted the comment. I'm really hoping he takes it to meta so I can clobber him about the head with "shows no research effort" from the downvote arrow tooltip
 
@voretaq7 then you're not trying hard enough :)
 
I'll go all Stack Overflow with freehand red circles
 
So, thanks to @pauska pointing out NT is no longer supported in any release after ESXi 5.1 U1 - my boss has asked me to create a plan to migrate away from NT.
 
3:38 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker I still feel a little bad about making the AT&T gal cry
 
SUCCESS
 
sigh our developers thought it's a good idea to handle content compression inside the application instead of letting the webserver handle it. But they also screwed up the compression...
 
@Cole But.... but.... the operating system choir needs a castrato!
 
@Cole woop-de-doo party time!
 
@MDMarra - you didn't read his stupid question correctly
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Q: Method to Backup Files/Directories while Maintaining File Structure - Per Year

RogueSpear00I need a method that may be able to accomplish what I am trying to do. This is a one time thing, any direction would be appreciated. I need to archive a massive Windows share but I would like to be able to reference the structure on my back up based on year. Let me explain a little more in deta...

 
3:41 PM
@TheCleaner What did I miss?
 
He wants to be able to drop everything that has a 2006 stamp into a 2006 folder first and yet still maintain the original folder/file tree structure
 
...why
 
He wants PST style archiving based on year for his file shares
why? cause he's gone full retard...I don't know.
 
However, I am talking to a company I really like so if that pans out great - if not, at least I'll be able to put a migration on my resume.
 
User: I need all my client's files from 2006, I can't figure out where they are on the file server
Him: No problem, I have them archived by year.
User: Yeah for IT!

Real life:

IT: Maintain your own archive/file structure...I'm not the Dewey Decimal System...if it's gone I'll get it back from backup if you can tell me the full path and when you lost it.
 
3:44 PM
I updated the answer there
 
This is a good solution, I didn't know about the OSPs. But there's the problem of the unsupported O.S. such as Debian — Aurelio Martin 5 hours ago
Who here uses Debian virtual machines on VMware?
 
yeah, I agree with you...I don't get the "why" honestly. I would be telling the users "I recommend you create a folder structure based on year each year if you want to be able to quickly find things based on what year you did them"
 
@MDMarra I went for a different house.
 
cool man
I'm moving into here next week
 
1.5M!?
 
3:47 PM
 
@MDMarra Naw, that house is by the White Sox ballpark. Low-class part of Chicago.
 
Isn't that where all of the racist white people are?
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@MDMarra Yes.
 
@TheCleaner But if he has a sane structure his backups will give him the same thing. If the files are stored in say /share/client/xxxxxx then he can browse /share/client/xxxxxxx in the restore interface by date.
 
"as a young reporter with the city's prominent black newspaper, I was sent by my editor to do a "man on the street" interview type article. In Bridgeport. I went and stood on a corner, with nothing but white people as far as the eye can see, and everyone refused to talk to me. After a while, I glanced at the back of a bus stop bench and noticed that someone had scrawled in marker: "Bridgeport Ni&&er Beaters", followed by a phone number.
 
3:51 PM
Time to log off and go home. Have a nice weekend!
 
@JennyD later!
 
@ewwhite You'd love the UK, we're not perfect but it's WAY less racist than the US, WAY less
 
@MDMarra I don't really count. I got my new job in early December and have been laid off since.
 
New England isn't too bad as far as racism.
 
@Adrian Still no hits?
 
3:54 PM
@Chopper3 I had offices in London... I've put my time in there :)
 
@voretaq7 I don't think that's what he wants. He doesn't want a "I lost a file on X month" and then IT browses the backups for that month (say 3 months ago), finds the file (say with a timestamp of 6/1/06) and restores it. He wants a user to say to him "Give me all files in this share for my customer files in 2006". He wants to archive those files into a 2006 folder before the backups so he can do this kind of restore...
 
@MDMarra Some hits, no offers.
 
@TheCleaner sounds like a pain in the ass. He'd have to do like a D2D > then to tape
 
@ewwhite oh ok, I'm right though aren't I
 
and he updated with a comment to explain the "why"
 
3:56 PM
@Chopper3 London seemed fine. I felt more at home in Germany, though! As for the US, it's a messed-up place outside of NY and LA :)
 
posted on May 10, 2013 by Wesley David

Today I’ll be live blogging the May 2013 CentOS Dojo event held in Scottsdale Arizona. I can’t find a specific itenerary for what talks will be given when, but this isn’t a multiple track event, so we all get what they give, and it looks like some cool talks will be given. The event starts at 9:30AM Arizona time (currently the same time as Los Angeles). Refresh this page for u

 
@MDMarra Trying to avoid Amazon, but that's my fallback.
 
Storage question: I just got a quote from my Nexenta vendor for a storage solution that can do 75,000 IOPS. It's 20TB usable and $50k US.
 
@TheCleaner Yeah, so if all the client files are in /share/client he can just restore /share/client from 06/01/2006
 
I'm trying to spec something to use to move clients off of their EMC VNX... while we rebuild them to @pauska 's standard.
 
3:58 PM
75,000 IOPS meaning the same 64K piece of data being requested over and over? :)
 
@ewwhite Heck of a lot cheaper than they were being quoted at $job[-2]
 
time for lunch!
bbiab
 
Assuming 175 IOPS per spindle, not factoring write penalties or any of that, you're over 400 15K disks at that point
 
@ewwhite that's a very respectable price -- what's the front-end? FC or ISCSI?
 
So either this has a lot of SSD, or they're quoting performance numbers that include lots of cache hits
 
3:59 PM
@MDMarra I'm thinking SSDs
 
@voretaq7 more like /share/2006/clients/clientA = "give me all files in 2006 for client A" as opposed to IT saying "I've restored /share/clients/clientA, now go through 10 years of files/folders within that location and find what you need.
 
possibly tiered SSDs, but definitely SSD somewher ein the mix
 
@voretaq7 even that many SSD IOPS as 50k is an insane price
 
@MDMarra they're not doing worst-case specs are they, cheats
 
definitely not
 
4:00 PM
@TheCleaner yeah but that strategy falls down the second you have a project from 2006 run into 2007, 2008, etc...
 
@MDMarra meaning, a dual-head setup with 20 regular 7200rpm spindles, 800GB of read-cache and STEC ZeusRAM low-latency write cache. 128GB of RAM. 75% will be first-level read-cache
 
@Chopper3 when do storage weenies EVER list the worst-case specs? :-)
 
@voretaq7 when they're pro's
@ewwhite controller reliance?
 
@ewwhite sounds fishy
 
@Chopper3 you mean "When you specifically ask their engineers"? :-)
 
4:01 PM
@voretaq7 Fibre-channel 8GB ALUA... NFS, iSCSI over 10GbE.
 
@voretaq7 yeah, or have beaten the salesman into submission anyway
 
@Chopper3 wait you mean there's a company where you don't have to defenestrate the sales guy in order to get to the engineers?
 
@Chopper3 fully-meshed dual-paths - LSI controller. Two head units. Nexenta HA.
 
I thought that was a basic gate-keeping strategy.
"Has he killed the sales rep we sent there yet? No? Then I don't want to talk to him."
 
all drives dual-ported.
 
4:02 PM
@ewwhite 50k USD, good price then
 
@voretaq7 oh I agree, again full retard... :)
 
@ewwhite 100% duty cycle 7.2's?
 
@TheCleaner I've never had users want that kind of structure actually - they've always wanted /client/project/pile-of-crap
 
@Chopper3 You've missed my company's battles with EMC VNX... but we have a few of them... and they've been misconfigured.
 
@ewwhite bum
 
4:03 PM
@ewwhite lower your gaze when you say "misconfigured"
 
@Chopper3 Seagate Constellation ES.3
so yes, enterprise full-duty cycle big, slow disks
 
@ewwhite yep, I know that disk
 
@voretaq7 We lost data.
 
@voretaq7 - yeah, or like my answer....put the onus on the user...make them keep whatever structure they want and you'll be happy to back it up
 
@ewwhite it's not lost. Just watch /dev/random and eventually it will come back out.
@TheCleaner yup.
 
4:05 PM
So this will outperform the VNX 5300's and 5500's we have... but I think for $50k, it's a no-brainer to transition people to during the correction of the VNX issues.
 
did you post that as an answer BTW?
 
yes, just now
and gave you credit...sort of... :)
 
@ewwhite Well, Chicago is one of the more racist cities in America. The various shades of white people don't even like one another much there.
 
@Adrian Basically.
So @Chopper3 - what would keep you from using such a solution?
 
@ewwhite Will it outperform a properly configured VNX though?
That's the question
 
4:07 PM
@MDMarra easily
 
@ewwhite nothing, looks good
 
@Chopper3 It is ZFS magic.
 
@ewwhite actually I'd get odd looks putting in a PO request that low so I'd get it padded out with some other shit as finance would think I was buying it for home
@ewwhite so how does the failover/back work then? presumably both heads/controllers are just regular PCs? how's that 800GB split (400/400?) also what sort of memory is it, i.e. how many modules of what type and is there any ECC?
 
I want all of you you read this about ZFS and its magical caching algorithm
 
@ewwhite Read wh--? Oh, links in SF chat are nearly indistinguishable from regular text; I forgot.
 
4:12 PM
@ewwhite what's their support like?
 
@Chopper3 both head units are active/active... they can fall back and go down as needed for maintenance. THey both see the same JBOD shelves. The 400GB STEC read-optimized SSDs are striped and live in the JBOD enclosure. So does the 8GB ram-based write-cache.
Boxes are either Supermicro or unbranded IBM (quanta computer) head units.
 
@ewwhite sounds quite netapp'ey, one head 'owns' the disks until it falls over, dedicated head-to-head link right?
 
Support is "(3 Year Hardware Warranty with NBD Advance Parts Replacement)"
@Chopper3 both heads can be used simultaneously. They both have 128GB RAM.
 
@ewwhite but is it GOOD though, as in you speak to the right people and can do so out of hours?
@ewwhite oh sorry, so the 800GB was SSD?
 
@Chopper3 that part, I don't know.
Obviously, I know ZFS... and Nexentastor.
@Chopper3 yeah, Stec ZeusIOPS
 
4:14 PM
@ewwhite I know the violin guys have been nagging my boss to speak to me as soon as I go back, we have some DB challenges, could piss them off by speaking to nexenta first
@ewwhite presumably they'd happily do 15ks/ssd/cache instead?
 
@Chopper3 Yep. They end up saying it's never needed... Unless the workload is totally uncacheable.
 
@ewwhite DB stuff, so 90% is 100% cacheable and the rest is reports so 100% uncachable - if that makes sense
@ewwhite actually more like 98%/2%
 
@Chopper3 so ideally, in those cases, you want the raw disk pool to be able to support the IOPS/throughput needed.
In my experience, I've started doing this with my produce clients and ZFS on Linux... it basically lowers the number of requests that go to disk
@Chopper3 we re also looking at Violin...
 
@ewwhite physcially how are the heads setup? 2U+2U or left and right? or bigger than that
@ewwhite we use them already, they're ok but even by my standards they're rapey
 
4:21 PM
makes sense - nice they're not in one unit, run them in different racks and PSUs/spurs etc.
 
@Chopper3 so how can I sell this to my company?
"We aren't good at configuring VNX... this is cheaper and faster"
 
@ewwhite as with any argument the trick is to win before it starts, usually by giving then no other option, options are your enemy not help. So tell them what the challenge is (budget/performance/size/expansion/resilience/support), then tell them that this is the only solution that will meet that challenge and you need their permission to move forward with the implementation, cross your arms and sit back, don't be drawn into conversation
 
And until we can hire @pauska...
 
@voretaq7 Teaching people read documentation is an acceptable behaviour
 
@Chopper3 well, I have another engineer at work who causes me some conflict...
 
4:26 PM
Pay him in ice cubes and herring, make him live in an igloo
 
ouch
 
not {suitable,safe} for L....?
 
@ewwhite plant some kiddy pron on his home PC, call cops, end of problem
@allquixotic life
 
@Chopper3 Naw, he's all a tinkerer and such. Good, but not as seasoned as old farts like you and me.
 
@ewwhite you are not old enough to be considered an old fart.
 
4:28 PM
So when I'm like, "buy an HP ProLiant", he's all like, "let me build a Supermicro from parts"
 
@ewwhite we all need people to do the dirty and repetitive jobs for us :)
@ewwhite ask him if he's happy to be on 24x365 cover for free to support it then
 
@ewwhite Sounds like a guy that should be working in a one-man IT shop in manufacturing or something.
Not at a cloud provider
 
posted on May 10, 2013 by ryan

More Powershell! I'm somewhat proud of this script. #Requires -Version 3 Function Get-ComputerInfo { <# .SYNOPSIS Gets some basic system information about one or more remote Windows computers. .DESCRIPTION Gets some basic system information about one or more remote Windows computers. Specifically designed to be able to fetch information from any version of Windows computer

 
@Iain is there a "C:\DOS\RUN\" book we can use for the illiterate?
 
@Chopper3 When I brought HP into the company, he found a problem with the servers randomly stalling during warm boots....
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Q: HP ProLiant DL360 G7 hangs at "Power and Thermal Calibration" screen

ewwhiteI have a new HP ProLiant DL360 G7 system that is exhibiting a difficult-to-reproduce issue. The server randomly hangs at the "Power and Thermal Calibration in Progress..." screen during the POST process. This typically follows a warm-boot/reboot from the installed operating system. The system...

 
4:32 PM
I love that flowchart. "Call HP Service Provider" is at the very bottom. What are the chances that every sysadmin will go through every step diligently before calling ;p
 
@allquixotic HP didn't know. I flew to NY just to troubleshoot this under the disapproving eyes of my coworkers... janky-ass HP equipment... should have stuck with Supermicro
 
@ewwhite ah yes, I remember that one
 
if half the people who ask questions on SF are sysadmins, it probably goes something like this:
 
@allquixotic prolly true
 
I hate people like that
 
4:35 PM
@Chopper3 wasn't sure if you saw it
but it caused a bit of a rift because the engineer there didn't try the obvious... move the server to a bench or desk and test away from the environment.
 
@ewwhite I was quite ill at the time but it was my kinda thing
@ewwhite or better yet, test before racking
 
he refused to do so because "the supermicros don't have this problem in the rack"
 
@allquixotic or in my case get on-site HP engineer to deal with it
 
@Chopper3 Are you back at work yet?
 
@ewwhite to be fair if the KVM works on a SM it should work on the HP but I know what you mean
@MDMarra 3/7/13 - edit or 7/3/13 for you :)
 
4:37 PM
@Chopper3 the Supermicros weren't subjected to constant warm-boot cycles...
 
tick tock
 
@Chopper3 we can talk about you hiring me...
after you're settled-in again
I miss international travel for work
 
record attempt here guys - NARQ? - serverfault.com/q/506777/1435
 
@Chopper3 I know a guy who works for HP in that role, and his downstream customer is FedEx. He knows his stuff.
 
@allquixotic we have them on 24x365 at each data centre
@MDMarra :)
 
4:41 PM
aww, I was going to post a REAL answer.
 
@Chopper3 It's a real question. It's just Too Localized. And it should also be VTC'ed "Too Obvious". You unplug stuff on one end and plug it in once you've moved.
 
@allquixotic gpwm
 
- Take photos of the rear panels of the servers.
- Label the cables.
- In your new location, try to prep as much as possible. When we move data centers, we will prewire cabling and install rails at the new site.
We just moved some of our sketchier clients...
 
the only problem I see with that Q is that a complete and proper answer with all the right considerations would require info on their particular setup.
 
Not Brazzers, though
 
4:43 PM
@ewwhite of alternatively do it via site-to-site P2V
 
@ewwhite yeah, you love polishing the racks at brazzers, don't you
 
@ewwhite I'm not into porn but someone sent me a link to a girl working in a lemonade store from Brazzers, it was 'quite nice'
 
@DennisKaarsemaker See dry-humping the Cisco 4507...
3 hours ago, by ewwhite
if I'm paying $45k for a 4507 Chassis, it should be able to take whatever I throw at it...
 
@ewwhite you have weirder fetishes than @voretaq7
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Cisco hardware is a very sexy shade of blue...
 
4:49 PM
So has anyone figured out what Hopeless was banned for?
he hasn't been back to the site since he was put in time out
 
@MDMarra he came back a couple of times.
 
Really?
His profile says he hasn't been active since 4/21
Was he banned before that?
 
yes
a few days
 
What did he do?
 
but I think he's just butt-hurt.
 
4:54 PM
@MDMarra Now you know we're not allowed to tell you that (but you also know why we usually suspend regulars)
 
Right
I mean, it's not hard to figure out that he was kind of an asshole
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I was hoping someone has a link to a specific deleted post that I could lol at
 
Butthurt!!
 
@MDMarra Run for moderatorship and you can find out all the good dirt :-P
@ewwhite well after we shove a banhammer up there....
 
4:56 PM
Also I prefer this banhammer, for the record:
 
But I think he was losing it a bit.
 
@voretaq7 dunno... doesnt set em on fire
 
@MattBear it could - print it hollow, fill it with gasoline, and mount filnt on the end.
 
Ban Hammer made out of Cesium, Phosphorous, or Magnesium could be set on fire...
 
5:01 PM
@gWaldo so could one made out of foam...
 
@gWaldo Can you work on the flaming magnesium shrapnel plan?
 
@MattBear Yes, but that wouldn't be very effective as a "hammer"
@freiheit No need; I think that's pretty much what phosphorous grenades are.
 
removed
 
Magnesium is a fun burning thing, because it's really hard to put out. Water or CO2 are both good oxidizers for it.
 
@voretaq7 Ran and failed
 
5:03 PM
@MDMarra run again, have you learned nothing from professional politics?
 
and now I'm too busy to be effective
 
I wish I wasn't interested in why he was banned. I really do...
 
i hate time cards... I just need to be on salary
 
I forget for awhile, and then someone brings it back up
 
I'm fairly sure he took the snark too far once and a blue ♦ had had enough.
 
5:06 PM
No matter.
 
@voretaq7 When's the next SF election?
 
@gWaldo it's be difficult to stop a ban hammer made of Caesium from not being on fire (briefly as it's very explosive)
 
Very explosive? That's an understatement:
 
@MattBear I'm on salary but still need to fill out a tme sheet
it's in dynamics, so there's no actual punch-in punch-out
but still a PITA
 
@MDMarra that's shitty
 
5:18 PM
@tombull89 very much so
 
No time sheet hurr
 
@MDMarra for me its time force
 
@JoelESalas It's for billing and expense reasons
Not necessarily for "productivity tracking"
or any of that shit
 
I just fill it out when its due usually lol, and override everything
 
I'm supposed to work 8-430
I'm usually late to work every day
 
5:19 PM
@MDMarra is that any less shitty
 
then to VP for approval, who just rubber stamps it.
 
@MattBear The Kronos product?
 
like 20-30 minutes late.
 
@Cole lol they are lucky if I show up before noon :p
 
@JoelESalas Yeah. If it was to make sure I was in and out at specific times I wouldn't have taken the job. This is so they know how many hours to bill customers for and keeps track of travel time so there's something in the system to expense my mileage/tolls/etc about
 
5:20 PM
My manager doesn't care. I wouldn't do it if it was an issue
 
of course thats usually because server work happens after 7 so...
I dont want to be here 12 hours EVERY day
 
I'm against "big brother" time tracking. But I'm OK with it for billing/expense purposes, because that usually means theres a big chunk of money coming back in my next check
 
@MDMarra im hourly... its kinda funny when I clock 30+ hours of overtime in a week
 
@pauska I just got asked to take 70-246 on Monday. So, we'll see how that goes
 
WELL ISN'T THIS SHITTY
 
5:22 PM
My boss was like "This voucher has free second shot before May 31. Fuck it, go give it a try"
 
You can't use USB 3 in VMware Fusion
 
Anyone from the UK got any opinions on the various Broadband suppliers ?
Currently with 02 and looking to switch
 
@JoelESalas meh
 
@ewwhite I'm buying parallels
 
I don't even know anyone who USES usb3
 
5:33 PM
@ewwhite I have no less than three USB3 externals
 
@MDMarra Thunderbolt... and servers don't typically have USB3...
 
@ewwhite MBPs have USB3 by default
 
I know, but thunderbolt and firewire were slicker!
 
I think most people use thunderbolt as an expensive DP
 
5:35 PM
@MDMarra That's been my experience
 
I use it to keep my firewire devices going
 
but I am getting that Belkin dock!
money in the bank
 
how many 2k12 VM's can I run on 8gb of ram....
 
@MattBear half of one
 
@JoelESalas that's been vaporware for like 2 years now
 
5:36 PM
@MDMarra It's out dude
 
@MattBear 10+
 
@JoelESalas im replicating the sharepoint farm on my desktop... lol
 
Now, if you want to install anything on top of that, it's another story
@JoelESalas no kidding
 
they wont spring for test hardware, and I've got to track down a claims authentication provider issue...
 
#sharepointproblems
 
5:41 PM
@JoelESalas sharepoint sucks
 
5:55 PM
I will be installing SharePoint for a client next week
SharePoint Foundation
2010
easiest install ever
 
At the CentOS Dojo event right now. Everyone here is a genius.
I'm dumb.
3
 
@MDMarra haha thats a lot simpler
 
It's for the SCSM 2012 self service portal
you literally install a default config of SP Foundation 2010 SP1 and then run the portal installer from SCSM
done
 
@MDMarra yeah that is a lot easier
sharepoint server farm, sql server farm, custom claims authentication providers, host named site collection, mixed forms/windows authentication, SSL...
starts getting a little complex
 
yep
 

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