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hippietrail

12:21 AM

is japanese-visitors really a good idea for a tag?

HaLaBi

I do not like it.. when the review for it came.. I wanted to reject it.. but then I chose skip..

hippietrail

how distinct is -visitors from -citizens? Should we merge them and come up with a different suffix?

HaLaBi

I think we should make it simple... just japanese..

saudis

kiwis

easier

hippietrail

because we already opted to have one tag per language and japanese is the tag for the japanese language

small flightless birds from new zealand do have very special travel needs

fuzzy green fruit may have to be vigilant against fruitfly

HaLaBi

ok..

language is not the common tag

so it should have the language suffix..

in linguistics.. it would be logical to have japanses to refer to the language..

hippietrail

12:37 AM

and less grammatical

HaLaBi

I mean in linguistics site..

but in travel site.. we can use the same to refer to citizens and to visitors or whatever..

hippietrail

new people would be very likely to misuse them though because the tag suggester would pop them up and they wouldn't read the tag excerpt or there would be a missing tag excerpt

hippietrail

1:09 AM

as i predicted ages ago we have at least one visa waiver question which is not about the US visa waiver program, thus HTF to tag it: )-:

Q: Visa waiver for Indian citizens who have a US/Schengen Visa

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2012/06/21/indians-can-enter-philippines-sans-visa-21-days-227996 What is the procedure of extending the visa from a 14 day visa to a 21 day visa?

or maybe it is and i just don't understand it \-: - it mentions both schgen and usa???

HaLaBi

@hippietrail he is asking to enter the Philippines.. so it is the Philippines visa waiver..

that's whats in the link he provided..

hippietrail

ok so the visa waiver tag does turn out to be a mess as predicted d-;

HaLaBi

1:24 AM

I think visas tag should be enough

the visa-waiver-program is specific to the US program..

and that does not really need a separate tag.. its visa!

hippietrail

but visa waivers are not specific to that program or that country. right?

HaLaBi

yes..

any country can have a visa waiver...

hippietrail

well that's not how we decide to make new tags. we could reason on just having on tag "trave" because "its a travel question!"

HaLaBi

not only the US.. and that tag uses the same name as it is called in the US..

hippietrail

the criteria for having a distinct tag should be whether we would envisage having a substantial number of distinct questions on the subject of the tag

HaLaBi

1:26 AM

it can be visa-waivers

so it can include the visa waiver program and other visa waivers..

hippietrail

yes i think that's what i proposed back when. if there's lots of specifically us-waiver ones then i recommend prepending us- or usa- to the current tag

HaLaBi

can I add the visa-waivers tag to this question?

I did already..

its about visa-waivers.. not about visas..

hippietrail

sure you have my support - but please give it an excerpt to make it less confusable with the current tag

HaLaBi

I do not have enough vocabulary to do that..

seriously..

hippietrail

yeah in one interpretation a visa waiver is a kind of visa, in another interpretation it's the opposite of a visa

HaLaBi

1:30 AM

it is a visa without having a visa..

hippietrail

well you already told me what it means so now you just have to tell everybody what it means d-;

HaLaBi

it is a condition that allows you to be exempted from the regular visa..

that's how I always understand it..

maybe the info in my head is wrong.

hippietrail

except then you might need another visa which is not called a visa as well - like an ESTA d-:

HaLaBi

waiver means like exemption... right?

English-wise?

hippietrail

almost

HaLaBi

1:33 AM

from the US visa waiver program:
The Visa Waiver Program (VWP) enables nationals of 37 participating countries* to travel to the United States for tourism or business (visitor [B] visa purposes only) for stays of 90 days or less **without obtaining a visa**

so it is exemption..

hippietrail

literally it's like "there this rule, but for you it doesn't matter"

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/waiver

HaLaBi

lately, saudi made an agreement with the us.. the trusted traveler program

where people from both countries can enter the other country with fingerprint..

I applied to the program online.. and guess what! they approved it only for entering by car from mexico!!

hippietrail

if you're interested in improving your english, this is a fun way to figure out near synonyms: waiver vs exemption

HaLaBi

I do not recall mentioning Mexico any where.. I am from Saudi.. thousands of miles of ocean in the middle.. and they approve it for land entry.. stupid...

hippietrail

looks like we need to go on a road trip! (=

well if the US used it's most intelligent people in the immigration department who would be left to run the republican party?

HaLaBi

1:45 AM

sometimes they do some none-sense stuff..

@hippietrail thanks for the links..

hippietrail

if i could make a bot for the chat room i would get it to use resources like that

hippietrail

2:37 AM

pink!

HaLaBi

hippietrail

just seeing if anybody is alive here (-;

it certainly feels strange earing rep for tag edits again!

HaLaBi

2:53 AM

why>

I just approved it ;)

I, Halabi, approved your edits.. @hippietrail

life is unfair man.. I know ;)

hippietrail

well i got used to being a trusted user, well past the point you needed edits approved (-:

HaLaBi

I am not trusted user as well.. I am way behind now..

but i still can approve edits..

i think they don't know how good my English is..

hippietrail

we can all trust mark alone

HaLaBi

such a dictator :D the only one!

hippietrail

dictator is such a loaded word. how about something nice like President for Life?

HaLaBi

3:02 AM

really?

i meant it as a joke..

we all know how nice mark is..

ehhm.

ehhhm.

u know.. we arabs are not familiar with such terms...

what is a dictator? what is a president for life??

we change them every few hours... u know.. change is good..

hippietrail

mine was a joke too d-;

HaLaBi

like our last king.. he only stayed like 30 years...

barley enough to get to know the ministers..

hippietrail

maybe there should be one john skeet badge for each site, mark would get ours

HaLaBi

A: "Travel Answers" - to be, or not to be?

Mark Mayo's Would make a great name for the site..

hippietrail

Ask Mark (-:

Mark's been there

Mark Knows

HaLaBi

3:10 AM

I will add them to the answer if u allow it..

hippietrail

as you wish (-;

HaLaBi

Hippietrail's suggestions ;)

hippietrail

LOL (=

HaLaBi

added that to the meta answer..

hippietrail

funniest travel stack answers exchange i've seen all day!

HaLaBi

3:23 AM

@AnkurBanerjee whats up

@hippietrail see ya later... off to bed...

hippietrail

i guess he's still rolling on the floor in fits of uncontrollable laughter too

nite nite i'm off to lunch

3 hours later…

Mark Mayo

6:45 AM

oh good grief

LOL

11 hours later…

HaLaBi

5:29 PM

1 night is € 260 in paris..

damn..

i couldn't find cheaper rates in good hotels in the la defense area..

any ideas?

Doc

stay somewhere other than la defense?

you can easily catch the metro to there if that's where you need to be

3 hours later…

HaLaBi

8:34 PM

I need to stay in la defense.. so I can my stuff walking.. otherwise I will need long time to go and come.. its a 20 hrs layover...

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