@snailplane For your information, the analysis of the pronunciation of ん (the phonetic realization of this phoneme) is complicated; see Wikipedia. ん at the end of utterances is realized by uvular nasal [ɴ], and I heard that this phone does not exist in many languages. This may explain why it is difficult for you to hear it.
@snailplane That would be the point, actually. Alot of the online material for new learners just gives a bare minimum, like classroom material does. For a classroom it's okay, since you have examples of speech and an instructor who can fill in the details.
No, my questions have been okay, but I've seen other questions getting downvoted. They were definitely not of high quality, but downvoting into the negatives seems a bit harsh to me.
(My questions usually escape from getting downvoted, but usually don't get upvoted too much either -- generally due to being some combination of obscure and poorly formed due to lack of understanding on my part).
Well, voting is tricky business.. For whatever reason, the current "score" seem to affect people's judgement when casting a vote.. ie. they're targeting a score rather than saying "I liked/disliked this"
@gibbon Yeah, in some idealized world you wouldn't take the current score into account. But in the end it's the overall score that has the psychological affect on the question asker and the viewers. Even if you dislike a question, you may not want the affects of a negative score on the asker/viewers.
@jkerian I had not seen that question before but it seems rather "bad" imo.. They're simply different sounds, what does English have to do with it at all? It seems he's asking more about the romaji than the sounds themselves.
@gibbon But, while the core of the issue may be the "score" vs. "vote" thing, I think there's also a correlated issue related to JLU (or perhaps all language SEs), which is when there is a "I don't understand [concept]/[sentence]/[grammar]" question, usually people downvote when it's poorly formed, but only upvote when it's something they don't already know... which can lead to a very negative score especially on a beginner question.
For most beginners, however, し is approximated as "she" for English speakers... but it isn't exact... he's asking HOW it's different
If he was asking about た, the answer would involve the 'dental' aspect of the Japanese たつてと (although not ち)
I think the answer to his question is that the sound formation is done farther forward in the mouth... between the top of the tongue and the upper teeth, but I need to verify that with someone who actually studies these things (I could easily be misremembering)
@jkerian No, he's really asking about "sh", "ch", "j" and how it's read in different languages, which in a way is kinda nonsensical.. I understand what he's really asking about, and it's a fine question to ask, but he didn't ask the question particularly well.
@gibbon "What does English have to do with it?" Well, there's research by Jim Flege showing that sounds exist (for a learner) in a "common phonological space" and that there's always L1-L2 interaction. That doesn't mean you can't describe L2 sounds without referring to another language, but "how does this sound differ from a similar sound in my L1 language?" seems like a useful question to me.
@jkerian My reading: "You understood [that question about phonology] because you maybe had the same problem when you were a beginner - but for some people [that specific question about phonology] was never an issue and so [that specific question about phonology] just seems 'stupid' [to those people]".
The actual reason I find it a reasonable question is that I have a somewhat kneejerk reaction against the "kanji-above-all" attitude of the Internet-based Japanese studying community. But I do understand that part of the reason for that is the information about how to speak/listen-to the language is so shitty.
There are three dictums of most online Japanese-learning communities: 1) Thou shalt use Genki, no other textbook shall come before it 2) Thou shalt use anki, and shall worship before the alter of SRS 3 ) Thou shalt use Heisig, and kanji shall eat all of your study time for at least a year!
(Which sucks, because they often have all the answers I'm looking for. It's really annoying not being able to skim, I have to read the entire thing from start to finish otherwise I might miss what I'm looking for.)
When I end up replaying something in my head to figure it out because I couldn't process it fast enough
One problem I've identified is being able to guess a card based on when I'm seeing it. For example, if I had added 感 a long time ago and just added 惑, I'm going to get 惑 right, but I might not be training myself to recognize what distinguishes it from 感.
I've noticed that I still make mistakes where I recognize something based on a non-unique part, so I must have trained myself incorrectly