TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2013-01-14 (page 1 of 2)

12:00 AM

@PeterGrill yeah, I found out that my feeling of "no spaces in TeX keywords" is wrong in TikZ, and discovered inner sep ;) Thanks anyways!

egreg

@tohecz 26214sp would distract more. ;-)

tohecz

height655350spdepth65535spwidth26214sp

Gnintendo

12:14 AM

Will \section{3. The Dog} render with different spacing than \section{3.\@ The Dog}

?

tohecz

@Gnintendo You can test it, can't you?

Gnintendo

they appear the same

so..............................................................................‌.................................................................................‌........................

tohecz

Test it against \section{3\@. The Dog}

anyways my hotel roommate wants to go to bed. See you tomorrow!

Gnintendo

sigh

facedesk until forehead starts bleeding

tohecz

@Gnintendo what?

Gnintendo

12:27 AM

I just want to know if they render the same, and why

for instance: Dr.\@ Poop doesn't render the same as Dr. Poop

tohecz

Dr.\@ Poop % interword
Dr\@. Poop % intersentence
Dr. Poop % depends on the length of "Dr"

now i really go

Gnintendo

but I know what happens for that

I don't know what happens by default for numbers

which is all I'm trying to figure out T.T

David Carlisle

9:17 AM

Morning @PauloCereda

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Hi Nicola! Wow, that's awesome!

@DavidCarlisle Good morning, David! :)

David Carlisle

9:30 AM

@PauloCereda You'd like it here this morning -2C and all white...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh this is very cold for me. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda The boy's school was having a "victorian" themed day so he went to school in short trousers, a short sleeved shirt and a flat cap. I think he's been warmer

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :P

Faheem Mitha

9:44 AM

I just heard that Aaron Swartz died. It's very sad.

egreg

11:13 AM

@DavidCarlisle Is he going to wash bottles at Murdstone & Grinsby's?

David Carlisle

11:44 AM

@egreg I doubt it: washing up not being noticeable amongst achievements so far:-) (Unless they use Dickensian discipline as well as clothing)

egreg

12:05 PM

@DavidCarlisle Check if he decorated with skeletons his school books. :)

Paulo Cereda

12:30 PM

Did I hear skeletons?

►

Gotta love this song. :)

David Carlisle

12:59 PM

@JosephWright sounds like a plan:-)

Paulo Cereda

1:35 PM

Apparently, OSX is trying to make me look American; it auto-corrected my spelling from "colour" to "color". Preposterous. :)

Torbjørn T.

@PauloCereda If that's all it does, you need not worry: buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-25-funniest-autocorrects-of-2012

Paulo Cereda

@TorbjørnT. LOL

Paulo Cereda

2:10 PM

@JosephWright: Skype for a minute? :)

egreg

2:23 PM

I tried finding a thread where the correct syntax of \graphicspath is explained (additional braces). Is anybody luckier than me?

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Q: Unable to use \graphicspath{ }

Working on my Bachelor-Thesis I got sick of writing \includegraphics{img/foo}. After some quick researches I discovered the \graphicspath command but this won't work. (Windows 7 x64) \usepackage{graphicx} \graphicspath{img/} But this does not work. If I try to include a picture stored in img...

Found. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg That was fast. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda I found the right search keys, after several attempts.

Paulo Cereda

2:54 PM

Martin: This was stupid, this whole thing was stupid, admit it.
Daphne: It was not stupid! You needed your exercise. What was stupid was you came out without your bumbershoot!
Martin: It's called an umbrella! Speak English, can't you?

You gotta love Frasier. :P

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Here's the book info: dickimaw-books.com/fiction/kids/duck :-)

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Lo, everyone :-)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Oh my! It looks awesome! :)

@NicolaTalbot And hi! :)

oopsie tiny typo in my last name. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Oh no, sorry! I'll fix it.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Nah don't worry. <3

I'm very curious about the ilustrations. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda My fingers are too cold to type properly!

Paulo Cereda

3:00 PM

@NicolaTalbot Oh no! How cold is the weather today?

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda 0C according to the weather thingy on the status bar.

I've just ordered a batch of eco-logs :-)

We don't have any central heating :-(

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Oh my! @DavidCarlisle mentioned the temperature was -2ºC around his region.

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda It was snowing here this morning, but it's cleared up a bit now.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Oh.

Nicola Talbot

I've fixed your name :-)

Paulo Cereda

3:03 PM

I have no idea of what snow looks like. My plan of someone sending me a package with snow has a slight chance of not working. :)

@NicolaTalbot aww. <3

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda :-)

Paulo Cereda

We now have 23ºC which is a "normal" temperature for us - not so hot neither so cold. :)

I have a friend which lives in Manaus. 23ºC is insanely cold for her. :P

Nicola Talbot

Alan Munn

It's a balmy -7 here.

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Manaus was baking when I was there. It was too hot to sleep!

Paulo Cereda

3:07 PM

@AlanMunn brrr it's too cold!

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda But we have a little bit of snow, so everything looks pretty. (Similar to Nicola's picture.)

Nicola Talbot

I'm just going to put some more logs on the fire. Back in a bit :-)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Indeed! :) I once had a lecture to give in some place about 350km far from here (a city named Araçatuba). The temperature there was about 35ºC, I was melting even in a room with an air-conditioner.

@AlanMunn The only description of snow is the one my mom tells me. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda You need to get out more. :_)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn You mean abroad, I suppose. :)

Well, I could go to Rio Grande do Sul and hope for the best too. :)

Alan Munn

3:11 PM

@PauloCereda Gramado at exactly the right moment.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Someday, perhaps. :) I need to save money first. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Are you definitely going to reactivate your PhD studies? Then you can go to winter conferences in snowy places.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I hope so. :)

Speaking of which, ask some CS theoreticians to organize a nice conference in MSU so I can bug you there. :P

New interview!

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A: TeXtalk interviews

Our next interviewee: Marc van Dongen Interview scheduled to Tuesday, January 22th, around 2:00PM UTC. Everybody is invited! Lost with the UTC time? Click here to see the event time in your local timezone. :)

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Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I think I must've had a really cheap hotel. The air conditioner was so noisy I had to switch it off. Then I got too hot to sleep so I had to switch it back on. And then it was too noisy to sleep ...

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Ouch. :( Some regions are really hot.

Nicola Talbot

3:28 PM

@PauloCereda I'm glad I was only there one night!

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot :)

Alan Munn

3:54 PM

@PauloCereda I'm trying to install a printer driver for a netbook in Windows. I'm assuming I need a 32 bit driver, but how can I know. It's an LG X200.

@PauloCereda Unfortunately theoretical CS here at MSU is purely theoretical. :(

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Let me take a look. :)

@AlanMunn Oh. :(

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda well if you are coming to Oxford Next week for that Flanders and Swann review, you might see some snow.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I wish I could go. :)

Yiannis Lazarides

4:32 PM

@AlanMunn You on Windows:) control panel->system->system should show you if you 32bit or 64bit, if unsure 32bit is always safe.

@all Cold here too to-day 17deg C.

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides That's my type of cold. :)

Yiannis Lazarides

@PauloCereda It may drop tonight to 16deg C:)

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides ooh! :)

egreg

@YiannisLazarides Have a coat at hand. :)

Yiannis Lazarides

@egreg Had a glass of wine!

egreg

4:37 PM

!!/answer Weather in Padova, Italy

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Hold on, let me enable Psmith. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Psmith is quite lazy, these days.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Indeed. :)

!!/answer Weather in Padova, Italy.

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | 5 °C :: conditions | overcast :: relative humidity | 87% (dew point: 3 °C) :: (1 hour 44 minutes ago)

Funny enough, Psmith is hosted in padova, while I was in oxford. :)

egreg

!!/answer Weather in Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | -2 °C (wind chill: -9 °C) :: conditions | snow, fog, overcast :: relative humidity | 86% (dew point: -4 °C) :: wind speed | 7.7 m/s :: (1 hour 45 minutes ago)

Nicola Talbot

4:40 PM

!!/answer Weather in Norwich, Norfolk

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | 0 °C (wind chill: -4 °C) :: conditions | cloudy :: relative humidity | 86% (dew point: -2 °C) :: wind speed | 3.6 m/s :: (51 minutes ago)

Yiannis Lazarides

@PauloCereda TeX bot talks php? Paamayim Nekudotayim?

egreg

@NicolaTalbot That's not usual for Norfolk, I guess.

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides JS with a PHP backend. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Added to community events

Paulo Cereda

4:42 PM

!!/eightball Are you a trusted source?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: reply hazy, try again.

@JosephWright Thanks. :)

Yiannis Lazarides

@PauloCereda Thought so! You should try node.js.

Nicola Talbot

@egreg I think it is for January, wouldn't you say, @JosephWright ?

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides It's in my TODO list. :)

!!/choose winter in Brazil, winter in UK

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: winter in UK

boo!

Yiannis Lazarides

@PauloCereda On mine too! Played a bit with it, but not much.

Paulo Cereda

@YiannisLazarides I read a lot of interesting stuff about it. The framework seems very powerful and promising.

Joseph Wright

4:44 PM

@NicolaTalbot Don't really know: I'm from Northants and this is about normal :-)

Nicola Talbot

@JosephWright :-)

I'm just hoping it won't be too bad tomorrow as I have to drive to Cromer.

Yiannis Lazarides

@PauloCereda It is, if you have time download phantomjs, very good for bots and can capture screenshots of a page.

Paulo Cereda

!!/answer How's the weather in São Paulo, Brazil?

Joseph Wright

@NicolaTalbot Not a day for the coast!

Paulo Cereda

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: temperature | 24 °C (wind chill: 26 °C) :: conditions | rain, cloudy :: relative humidity | 65% (dew point: 17 °C) :: wind speed | 2 m/s :: (1 hour 46 minutes ago)

@YiannisLazarides Really? I'll take a look.

Nicola Talbot

4:46 PM

@JosephWright I have a feeling it might be a bit chilly!

egreg

@PauloCereda Very rainy summer, isn't it?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg It is. :) We are used to, December and January are very rainy months.

Not that rainy, I should add. :P

egreg

@PauloCereda What's the best month for visiting your region?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I think except from Dec and Jan, all months are ok. :) If you like cold weather, perhaps May, Jun and Jul are good choices. :)

Alan Munn

@YiannisLazarides Thanks, Yiannis.

@egreg I don't know about the state of SP where Pauio is, but don't ever visit the south of Brazil in the (Brazilian) winter. You will be perpetually cold. The south of the country lives in denial that the climate is temperate and not actually tropical, so there's no heat in houses and windows don't seal etc. Pure misery.

Timebandit

5:00 PM

hi all =)

@Timebandit Hi!

@Timebandit Hello.

@Timebandit Lo :-)

i use this site for like forever and startet asking my own questions and answer questions yesterday, pretty exciting, you guys are great!

Joseph Wright

@Timebandit We do our best

Paulo Cereda

5:05 PM

@Timebandit Sup.

@Timebandit Welcome to the party. :) There's no knowledge without users asking questions. :)

egreg

@Timebandit You've got a nice blog. Unfortunately, my German is almost inexistent. But my pages are in Italian, so we're even. :)

Timebandit

@eg

oh sry still figuring out how this chat works :-[

egreg

@PauloCereda Should I ask one, so?

Paulo Cereda

@Timebandit This is actually the first chatroom test: figure out that username completion goes with TAB and not ENTER. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda I can think of one: "What will be David's first question?"

Paulo Cereda

5:08 PM

@egreg You know everything. :)

@egreg Good one!

David cheated the system by asking his very first question here in the chat.

egreg

!!/eightball Do I know everything?

bloodworks

@egreg it`s at lest german i can confirm

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: you need to use emacs.

Timebandit

@egreg thank you, I started it after spending so much time searching and learning on my own. but then i found tikz and had to admit i dont know pretty much at all

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: It would be awesome if Psmith replies "only egreg knows the answer". :)

ooh more Germans! :)

bloodworks

5:09 PM

@Timebandit iam not quite happy with the $$ for mathmode

icancode.de/2012/11/der-mathematikmodus

Paulo Cereda

Speaking of them, where's Patrick @topskip Gundlach? We miss him. <3

Timebandit

@PauloCereda ah, unix like, =)

egreg

@PauloCereda ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my!

egreg

@PauloCereda scio me nescire, in other words. :)

Paulo Cereda

5:11 PM

!!/answer ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα.

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm sorry, no answers.

@egreg Ah! :)

Timebandit

@bloodworks im open for improvements, this article is just showing the common possabilitys but you're right i should consider it as 'depricated' or better 'how not to' =)

Paulo Cereda

!!/eightball Do we need more cowbell?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: too busy looking for bugs in longtable.

Hey my bot is lazy today.

Timebandit

im not sure if i should ask this question but is there a possability to center lists? i mentioned it in an earlier post

i'll create this question for real if it isn't to stupid ;)

Alan Munn

@Timebandit Do you mean centre the list w.r.t the other things in the page, or centre the text in the items? (or both)?

Timebandit

@AlanMunn wrt? sry Im not familiar with english abbreviations

Alan Munn

5:20 PM

Sorry, "with respect to".

Timebandit

@AlanMunn ah ok, I would like to create the same output like align but without math-mode

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn :set british-mode on

:)

4 hours ago, by Paulo Cereda

Apparently, OSX is trying to make me look American; it auto-corrected my spelling from "colour" to "color". Preposterous. :)

Timebandit

:D

user19161

@PauloCereda I always turn off spell check in all my computer applications.

Timebandit

@AlanMunn to be more precise i need something to easily explain symbols within equations, perfect would be something like a table where the first column hast mathmode and the second column normal text

Paulo Cereda

5:25 PM

@JasonBourne :)

Alan Munn

@Timebandit It might be simplest to use a tabular. Using the array package you can make a column type for math so that you don't have to use $...$ for each cell.

Timebandit

@AlanMunn mh in combination with \newcommand this could be the best solution i'll try that

David Carlisle

people who change catcodes mid document should be soundly whipped and sent to bed with no supper

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bloodworks

@DavidCarlisle rofl

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Everybody who uses \verb? ;-)

Adorable Creature

5:36 PM

A sad news: meta.physics.stackexchange.com/users/4864/ron-maimon :-)

David Carlisle

@egreg especially them. (especially if they use verb where the latex book says they shouldn't)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That's it. We will write a TUGBoat article with all of your quotes. :)

user19161

@AdorableCreature Well, never mind about him. Let's get on with our own lives...

Joseph Wright

@AdorableCreature As I said before, the statement he had about most professional physicists was a bit of a loaded statement

user19161

@JosephWright You are involved in this too?

egreg

5:38 PM

@DavidCarlisle I think that the poster whom you refer to has rather bizarre ideas about what a sound interface is.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda First we publish all your duck quotes

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Maybe in the same edition! <3

Joseph Wright

@JasonBourne Nope

@JasonBourne Just a chemist :-)

user19161

@JosephWright I don't share his views on that matter, but I do have many very bizarre opinions myself which I shan't mention. =)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I particularly like the need for \DeclareMathVersion. He seems not to understand that you can define as many versions as you like.

Timebandit

5:42 PM

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to change Chromes autocorrectionlanguage?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Same comment. :)

user19161

@Timebandit You mean the spell check in the browser?

David Carlisle

@egreg yes we seem to be converging :-)

Timebandit

@JasonBourne Yeah, normally i need the german one, but

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Not as regards to rep points, of course. :P

user19161

5:45 PM

@Timebandit This is very simple. Just go to the settings page and click "show advanced settings" at the bottom. Then look for "languages and spell checker settings".

Timebandit

@JasonBourne writing with you guys it would be nice if it corrects obviouse mistakes ;)

@JasonBourne I know this way, but isn't there a quicker way :D like "Click this button and change spellchecking to..."

David Carlisle

@egreg well you steal ticks from me and get ahead by tricks like writing better answers, so we won't speak of rep points.

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user19161

@Timebandit What's wrong with this way? It doesn't take a minute!

egreg

@DavidCarlisle How did the Victorian day go?

David Carlisle

@egreg I'm still at work:-)

(working:-)

user19161

5:48 PM

@DavidCarlisle No chatting for you then!

egreg

@JasonBourne David doesn't chat, he keeps himself informed.

user19161

@egreg Ah, I see. Doing research online for work!

Paulo Cereda

!!/cricket

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- South Africa 525/8  v New Zealand 211/10 &  121/10 *
- Habib Bank Limited v Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited 189/4 *
- Melbourne Renegades v Brisbane Heat

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.

Timebandit

@JasonBourne But I'm a busy man and every second is expensive ;)

bloodworks

!!/fencing

Paulo Cereda

5:50 PM

@bloodworks Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command fencing does not exist.

David Carlisle

@egreg and what exactly are you doing here?

user19161

@DavidCarlisle Keeping himself informed. =)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I avidly read your answers.

David Carlisle

@egreg Yes so you can paraphrase them and steal my ticks, I know.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle We all try that. :)

egreg

5:55 PM

@DavidCarlisle That's part of the plan

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda @egreg is better at it though

home time !

Timebandit

@JasonBourne just found a quick Way :D You can right-click in every textpane and switch the language via contextmenu!

user19161

@Timebandit There isn't really any difference...

user19161

In fact it is worse because you have to look for a text pane...

Timebandit

@JasonBourne its faster than navigating through all options, and the fact, I'm currently in a chatroom should make it easy to find a text pane

user19161

6:03 PM

@Timebandit I can't believe you...

Timebandit

@JasonBourne But I'm right :D

Timebandit

6:21 PM

I've seen there is an open metaquestion about writelatex did anybody already tried spandex.io?

Andrew Stacey

6:38 PM

@PauloCereda Email sent.

Paulo Cereda

@AndrewStacey Simply amazing!

Can't wait to see the features. :)

LordStryker

7:07 PM

Is there a quick and easy way to make a column in a table disappear without having to remove all the code for it?

I hate making two separate tables to compare two different layouts

Oh, I found the solution. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/16604/…

bloodworks

7:25 PM

i sometimes just hate tikz... agrr *!#☠

Ingo

Hi friends! I have a quick question.

Paulo Cereda

@Ingo Hello!

Ingo

I'm trying to install pfgornament. The manual asks me to put the files into the local texmf tree. (TEXMFLOCAL)
http://altermundus.com/pages/downloads/packages/pgfornament/ornaments.pdf
I'm trying to find out where that is on my Ubuntu system. When I run kpsewhich it returns:
kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFLOCAL
/usr/local/texlive/2012/../texmf-local

What on Earth do those two dots .. mean?!

Where is the tree?

Joseph Wright

@Ingo Local system-wide tree is /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local, but you will also have a personal tree in ~/texmf

@Ingo Two dots = 'up one'

Paulo Cereda

The two dots mean the upper level directory. If I'm at /home/paulo/foo/../bar, I'm actually at /home/paulo/bar.

Ingo

7:37 PM

Thanks for the explanation. Why on Earth is it displayed this way?

Does it matter if I hide the folder ~/texmf, thus ~/.texmf?

Joseph Wright

@Ingo Yes: it's got a different name so you will need to alter your config files accordingly

Paulo Cereda

@Ingo It does, they are different directories.

Joseph Wright

@Ingo Contrast hiding files on Windows/Mac where they can be hidden without changing the name

Ingo

Okay, thanks.

I thought maybe it will be looking for both

Paulo Cereda

The two dots represent the parent directory, that's why they are displayed.

No harm is done.

Ingo

7:42 PM

But why not just leave them out, and just display /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local right away?

No harm indeed, just curious.

Paulo Cereda

Perhaps the script bases itself in the TL location, then provides the info on the current settings.

Joseph Wright

@Ingo I guess the scripts build the info up from two parts, the install location (/usr/local/texlive) and the relative position of the local tree (../texmf-local)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright My thoughts exactly.

Ingo

That would be an explanation.

tohecz

8:02 PM

Hello! Thanks for the beamer theme, @Paulo, tomorrow's is the day :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz My pleasure. Did you like it? :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda yeah, I made small modifications (subitem colours weren't defined, ...) but I kept the allover design and colours :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz :) I'd love to see the final result.

tohecz

@PauloCereda ok, tomorrow sees it on my webpage I s'pose

Andrew Stacey

8:21 PM

@PauloCereda Bizarrely, I ran into a difficulty with yours because the UTF8 output affected the primes and they were "proper" primes instead of ascii primes. This choked the maths parser.

Paulo Cereda

@AndrewStacey Ouch. :(

Andrew Stacey

@PauloCereda I might have to implement the maths parser myself (currently I export the problem), but then I'll really have to mess with catcodes as I'll need x to become <mi>x</mi> and so on.

Frank Mittelbach

8:47 PM

he @David are oyu online?

Joseph Wright

@FrankMittelbach He was here not so long ago :-)

Frank Mittelbach

@JosephWright late supper time perhaps

Joseph Wright

@FrankMittelbach Perhaps, or he could be playing in the snow :-)

David Carlisle

@FrankMittelbach yes

@JosephWright all turned to mush

Frank Mittelbach

@DavidCarlisle did you recently look into your email?

David Carlisle

8:55 PM

@FrankMittelbach No, should I, hang on....

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Will melt fast here I think

Alan Munn

9:44 PM

@PauloCereda @bloodworks Sad, very sad.

@Ingo The reason is that all the texlive paths are made for each particular year of TeXLive (hence the 2012). But your local texmf is independent of the year, but rather than have to hard code it, it is made relative to the current year so that all the paths are consistent for any particular year.

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