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2:01 PM
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"NullFile"="" hahaha old technique I love it :P
 
Ok, now we're down to one for Windows 7 :D
 
@OliverSalzburg so will you close it now?
 
@avirk Most likely
 
@OliverSalzburg O_O
@OliverSalzburg still opened :D
 
2:05 PM
Anyone using Firefox Nightly?
I am wondering how to use the screenshot from developer toolbar
 
wonders if his ~amd64 counts as Nightly.
 
if amd64 on windows 8, yes
 
@jokerdino Did you get Steam linux beta ?
 
anyone can use steam beta
beta access for namesake
 
www-client/firefox - Installed versions:  16.0.1(09:20:46 PM 10/24/2012)
www-client/firefox-bin - Installed versions:  16.0.2^mbs(05:11:06 PM 10/30/2012)
I'm too lazy to bump the non-bin version up. :D
 
2:07 PM
Didn't know that
@jokerdino any benchmark linkys ? being lazy
 
Yeah, seen the link everywhere. Pretty nice, should try it soon...
 
Bob
@jokerdino if you tell me how I can reboot my computer into the second OS without physical access :P
 
ssh
 
Bob
I don't think the Windows bootloader accepts ssh :P
 
2:09 PM
boooo
anyway, the screenshot tool in nightly has too many arguments that i can't pass.
or whatever it is, i don't know how to use
 
2
A: Saving large webpage as Image

CichyK24There is a new Firefox Command Line that allows you to take screenshots. Press Shift+F2 and write screenshot filename1.png 0 true Unfortunately for your site I get error..., but nevertheless it's a nice to know feature .

I knew I read about this today
We also have way too many "How to take screenshot of webpage" question
Jeeze...
 
herro
 
xD
 
This is only the tip of the iceberg O___o
 
Bob
2:16 PM
o.O
this is weird
currently having a... brown-out? First one ever
modem/wifi-router still works, lights are too dim to be useful
:P
 
Bob
I'm surprised the wifi is working so well
this can't be good for the power suppl, though
 
@Bob that's weird
 
Bob
o.O even my laptop's charging
 
brownouts do generally stress your power supplies, but I wouldn't worry about the actual microelectronics -- for PCs and almost anything with integrated circuits, there's a voltage regulator that can convert some pretty ugly input power into a nice clean feed for the computer
 
Bob
2:19 PM
wonderr if someone switched it to 110V
 
taking screenshot just became more awesome
 
@jokerdino built in feature in Nightly?
 
From FF 16 onwards.
i am having problem with the one in Nightly (FF19)
 
zynic rant: I believe that if "we" or more like you start allowing "appropriate tablet questions" while disencouraging iOS and Android the scope-reduction will become even more ridiculous. If you want to refer them to the sister-sites, We might as well split up SU into windows & linux user dot com and close down SU; and everyone will be referred to the community with their ecosystem. What the hell would be so bad about having ios, android, os-x as tags here and closing down or redirecting from the sister-sites? Macs are computers, tablets and smartphones are, it is that simple.klyonrad 2 days ago
k
 
@jokerdino hmmm, I'm on 15 so that's why IDK :P
 
2:23 PM
16 is the latest stable.
 
@jokerdino out of the box?
 
you are behind by six weeks
@Sathya yeah.
they added a developer toolbar / commandline
 
nice
 
@jokerdino obviously they believe in the same things as Steve Ballmer
 
2:24 PM
developers developers developers developers developers.... developers! developers! developers! developers! developers! developers! developers! runs out of breath
 
@allquixotic haha
 
@allquixotic i can add 5 time more in a breath :P
 
Bob
...and there goes the power again
seriiously, this is weird :\
 
@Bob where are you?
oh. Aussie
 
Bob
Sydney
 
2:33 PM
Down Under.
 
check the news (from your PC so you don't turn on any more devices) to see if they can tell you what's going on
 
Bob
for some reason, this street always gets hit with power problems
 
Doing some naughty things.
 
Bob
@allquixotic probably not major enough :P
power can go out for several hours and there wouldn't be anything
especially at 1:30am
also, your election is flooding every newspaper/site
 
@Bob like here O.o
 
2:37 PM
lol
well it DOES kind of impact the rest of the world because one of the things where the presidential candidates differ slightly more is on foreign policy
and the executive branch has a ridiculous amount of power in terms of foreign policy decisions these days
so I can see how it matters to you
 
Bob
hmmmm
they're on twitter
well, time to make a twitter account!
 
@allquixotic really?
 
2:43 PM
And that is why you're broke @OliverSalzburg
 
Oh wait, they have videos.
 
oh my goodness
that's pretty, um, awkward
Turning that into a poemish/prose-ish narrative:
Well-meaning newbie writes meh answer
Moderator improves answer
Well-meaning newbie gets ANGRY AND PASTES A HUGEURL IN ALL CAPS
Moderator rolls back newbie's edit
Well-meaning newbie gets REAL ANGRY AND DELETES ENTIRE POST WITH THE EDIT COMMENT OF "ADDED" 599 CHARACTERS
 
2:58 PM
@OliverSalzburg lol
 
@allquixotic Deleting the entire post will just color it red in one of both sides I think.
 
@allquixotic Edit #5 changed nothing. The rollback-edit combo was a race condition :D
 
lol, it changed nothing yet the edit comment says added 599 chracters in obdy
 
@OliverSalzburg I wonder if the same is possible with Git... :D
 
@allquixotic good algo :P
 
3:01 PM
@TomWijsman Race conditions are possible in Git if its underlying filesystem exhibits certain ... strange semantics
 
@allquixotic Yeah, I'm really confused :D
 
certain virus scanners and settings in a Windows File share (SMB) with a git repository on it can trip it up
also I've heard funny things about NFS and AFS in regards to this type of thing
 
Writing a blog need a lot of concentration :(
 
@avirk so does programming... so does... I don't know... driving a fully loaded coach bus down a steep hill and hanging a sharp corner with black ice on the road and going 75 mph
 
@avirk: I'm going to talk about the Time Machine in Windows. zoof That's all I had to say. Thank you for reading my blog post.
 
3:03 PM
is that reason for :( or do we just.... deal with it :)
 
Oh boy. Drag&drop in VirtualBox between Linux guest and Windows host is awesome...
 
@TomWijsman O.o
 
Desmond the Moon-Bear!
ACT I
Desmond: ... How did I get here?
(Narrator): THE END
 
Bob
...
 
asdfmovie2 if you haven't seen it. youtube it
 
Bob
3:05 PM
is there an asdfmovie6?
wait, was there a 5?
 
@Bob no idea, but I love asdfmovie 1-5
love them with all my heart
 
Okay, /metubing!
 
Bob
ah, right. 5 wasn't as good :P
 
They told me I couldn't teach a llama to drive!
Maaaaaaaaaaaaa!
No, llama, noooo!!
(Maaaaaaaaa--*crash*)
Doctor: So, what seems to be the problem?
Guy: RAAAAAINBOWSSSSSSSSS
I like trains. :)
my handle on one of the IRC networks I hang out on is "Potato"... and the people there know about asdfmovie
 
I like RED and my favorite color is blue! xD
 
3:07 PM
I get "Die, Potato!" all the time
@TomWijsman you like Random Early Detection? that's a pretty crap queue management algorithm, dude... use codel
sorry, networking weenie, can't help but expand capital "RED" to that
 
Bob
@allquixotic Not today.
 
@allquixotic I bet you do.
 
must-watch youtube videos for geeks (just type them into the search bar on youtube): asdfmovie, star wars kid, yeahlamb, tng recuts, dayjoborchestra, indoctrination documentary
once you have been re-edumacated, come back
 
ugh
my dad just sent me a mess of a python assignment and blamed his internet connection.
FIRST his code broke the automarker
 
your dad's taking python?
 
3:11 PM
then he got 1 out of 37
ya ;p
 
@allquixotic But... Look at that throughput!
 
@TomWijsman er, throughput is on the X axis; it's the independent variable... I don't really see.... what... the point is...
my favorite webpage for technically-inclined people who care about networking: queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2209336
 
Huh... For longer queues, throughput gets closer to 1. o_O
 
well duh
 
Yeah, I switched the variables. :P
 
Bob
3:14 PM
@allquixotic only watched the first :P
 
your queue is practically empty if your normalized throughput isn't 1, because if you can send data through the uplink faster than the data is being written to the network buffer, you don't need a larger buffer
 
@allquixotic Well, it depends on how you interpret throughput.
Did an exam on this!
 
you only need buffering to prevent packet loss if you are producing data to push into the network buffer when the network buffer is already full and/or filling up because you are producing faster than the network can send the data
but adding the buffering is actually fairly poisonous
hence that Nichols paper is fairly seminal
I use fairly too much
I should add that as a keyword to Java
try {
fail();
}
fairly {
whoops();
}
finally {
thisIsAGoToStatement();
}
 
I don't have a clue what our network is using, but as long as it works, I don't care. :D
 
@allquixotic looks like your job is safe for another four more years :P
 
3:19 PM
@allquixotic Love the figures.
 
easiest way in the world to reproduce the problem which CoDel solves: visit a website with a lot of spare upstream which is geographically located somewhat close to you, and run a speed test or download a huge file over HTTP. while doing that, measure your ping both before starting the download, and during it, to other servers.
note: this is only reproducible if you can truly max out your uplink, where your "uplink" means not the speed of your port, but the maximum actual transmission or receive rate of your connection to the endpoint
so if your connection can download 1024 KB/s and you're only downloading at 990 KB/s, codel does nothing
but if your connection can only download at 1024 KB/s and you're downloading at 1024 KB/s, you will observe the problem without codel, and see it vastly improved with codel.
this is called "{Dad/spouse/son/whoever}, would you stop downloading please?! You're making my Netflix video stutter!!!!" syndrome
@r.tanner.f yeah, I noticed that :P
 
lol Romney got pummeled.
 
@TomWijsman, also, you can enable codel locally on your computer to improve your own system's resilience to maxing out your own uplink (but you can still be impacted by other computers connected to your router or larger ISP network) with Linux mainline 3.5 or later: tc qdisc add dev $INTERFACE root fq_codel where $INTERFACE is for example eth0 or wlan0 or whatever
codel on your own box will prevent your own downloads from driving up your ping (and therefore HTTP responsiveness) on your own browser
the wider the scope of the codel implementation (your home router, ISP, internetworking hub, whatever), the better
 
@Bob Nuuuuuuuu!
@jtbadn sorry for ignoring, i was on a holy quest to spread the knowledge of CoDel
 
3:32 PM
@allquixotic quite all right.
 
i'm not in the dummy chat, any other questions?
 
I'm still working on trying to figure out this "friends" assignment.
then I need to attempt to program TRON.
blah
 
>_> you need to program TRON?
 
yeah
 
what's with the friends assignment? did you solve the one that you were asking me about yesterday?
we completed the first two together and you were like "on to the next one"... did you figure that one out?
 
3:36 PM
I turned in 3 assignments yesterday.
 
@jtbadn you in a computer science program?
 
also don't invite me to dumb facebook games. >:3 It made the LED on my phone flash bluuuuuuuuuuuuuue and I was like EWW FACEBOOK /uninstall
 
You helped me with one, I did the other, and though the third one wasn't working 100% that I expected it to, I turned it in anyways to get some credit.
 
okay
 
@allquixotic i play slots! :) I don't really do facebook... that app is on my phone.
 
3:37 PM
@r.tanner.f he's a dummy :) I call him dummy... it's kind of an inside joke... but he really doesn't know much about programming, yet :D
 
@r.tanner.f Through my 1st year... in a bachelors program for Game Programming and Simulation Projects all online with Rasmussen College.
I don't that's true.
I'm truly a dummy.
 
@jtbadn GERs out of the way yet?
 
GERs?
 
GERs ?
heh.
 
oh, general elective requirements
 
3:38 PM
general education requirements
 
uh, some of them.
 
like CORE
 
english 101, 201, math, etc :P
all the I-WORK-ON-COMPUTERS-WHAT-THE-HELL-DO-YOU-WANT-FROM-ME!? courses
 
Some of them ... they mix them up for me a bit
 
I'm one communications class away from graduating o_o and for the love of god I can't pass it
 
3:39 PM
Right now I'm in College Algebra, Technologies role in the 21st Century(Writing Course) and Programming II.
 
math is pretty important to get out of the way before you start doing programming, and heck, I'd say that, judging by how much it helped me, you should take a Philosophy department course on the Philosophy of Logic, if available, prior to delving seriously into programming
 
Nice
 
@r.tanner.f I know that feeling so well... you have no idea
 
Actually yeah a logic class would be really useful
 
This is what I'm currently working on...
Your programming assignment is to (a) write an application and (b) write a related test program. Follow these instructions:

Create an application that declares two friends, one allowing read access to data elements, and one allowing write access to elements.
Write a test program to test your two friend functions.
 
3:40 PM
lewl. still C++, or can we use Java and JUnit? D:
cppunit! :D
 
cpp
 
...okay, maybe not
 
I did a Java course a few quarters ago...
 
Do graphics card prices tend to come down after a card's been discontinued? Looks like the Raedon 6000 line was discontinued, was hoping to pick up a twin for my card at a lower price, but it's still the same as when I bought it (and only $50 less than the comparable model of the 7000 series )
 
trying to introduce a unit testing framework to a C++ dummy is like trying to teach a 6 year old how to evaluate partial differential equations while also sitting him on your lap and making him learn how to parallel park an SUV
 
3:41 PM
I am sure I have more classes regarding Java later.
 
so, in retrospect, I'm not going to bother
 
well thanks anyways
Hey @KronoS
 
howdy @jtbadn
 
you can write a MANUAL testing program @jtbadn
that, I believe you could use/understand and be fine
 
3:43 PM
Yeah, if I knew how @allquixotic
 
but testing frameworks are weird
hmm... start with an .h file
define your API in an .h file for your two functions
implement them in one cpp so that they compile to a translation unit
 
Create an application that declares two friends, one allowing read access to data elements, and one allowing write access to elements.
 
then call them from the test program
 
That's the first assignment,
Write a test program to test your two friend functions.
That's the second.
2 cpp files
 
@BenBrocka there are several phases of discontinued: (1) IHV stops making new ASICs; (2) board makers stop churning out new cards using those ASICs; (3) a lot of time passes... (4) drivers stop supporting the hardware, so new OS releases don't support it and bugfixes don't come as often / at all
@BenBrocka, the higher the "number" out of that list that your card has achieved, the cheaper it'll be
Radeon HD4000 at this point should be uber cheap since they're in stage (4)
but HD5000 and newer are in stage (3)
 
3:45 PM
They'd also be useless
 
well if you can't afford a current card (not even a low-end one) you're kind of SOL... you won't really see a substantial price drop for HD6000 until at least HD8000 has been out for a while
and then HD6000 will drop again (substantially, to the point of bargain bins) when the drivers are discontinued
@jtbadn 2 cpp files and an .h file
you're basically making a library, without making a library... but you're going to be declaring your API in the .h file, defining the implementation of it in a .cpp file, and then calling your API, using the .h file, in a second .cpp file
also, since it says "create an application", you might need one more .cpp file that provides an int main() method (note: your cpp file containing the implementation of the API should not have a main() method) as a sort of driver program
 
Heya. I found an app in the Windows 8 store that's really cool (apparently they have Android and iOS apps as well...
This is my favorite dashboard for PC monitoring, now :P
 
so, cpp file one: no `main()`, just implement the actual API functions that do the legwork
cpp file two: contains main() and "tests" your API functions
cpp file three: contains main() and acts as an "application" that exercises your API functions and provides some kind of console based user interface with `cin` and `cout`
.h file: contains only the declarations of your API
the tests that you design should verify that, given a certain input to the functions, you verify that the output (return value) is what you expect
 
@allquixotic Eh, lame. Not sure if it's worth going for a second card vs replacing the current one then due to the diminishing returns of multiple cards in CrossfireX
 
@BenBrocka multiple GPUs / SLI / Crossfire is in general a pretty bad proposition for most things, except for GPGPU on embarrassingly parallel workloads
for graphics rendering, the returns are extremely diminishing for the price
 
3:50 PM
@sidran32 Any agentless monitoring?
 
@allquixotic So far as I heard, that's less the case these days
 
not to mention there are still plenty of games out there that don't even use more than one GPU
 
@r.tanner.f On that app, no. It uses agents to aggregate multiple systems onto one dashboard.
 
and the ones that do can't take full advantage of the extra parallelism due to data dependencies requiring a lot of transfers between the cards
 
@allquixotic So I've heard. It's a tantalizing proposition though, don't throw away your old card, get a second one for less than the price of a new one
 
3:51 PM
@allquixotic I think that things are going towards 2x speedups for Crossfire/SLI more these days than it used to be.
 
But if it's not that much cheaper than a new card combined with the reduced returns, meh
 
But yeah, most people don't need it. It's not price/performant :P
(I'm partially justifying my Crossfire rig to myself, here, tbh) :P
 
I don't think graphics cards have a long enough usable shelf life in terms of being "current", supporting the latest APIs, and having competitive throughput, in order to make an SLI configuration affordable or economical, when you can buy one single high-end current card every two years and have all that you need.
 
Not sure I'd notice a difference either. My video rendering speed is fast enough, and only in-game slowdown I've ever noticed is in Borderlands 2 in certain areas, and I think that's a bug
 
the problem is, even though the hardware is old, it was still bloody expensive to produce, so the prices aren't going to drop just because it's old until it's basically ancient technology
 
3:53 PM
Interestingly, I actually do see a difference. I get about a 2x speedup.
 
@sidran32 in what? fully scalable OpenCL workloads? because I can't imagine you'd see that in gaming
 
Considering I game in Eyefinity when the game supports it, I need that extra oomph :P
@allquixotic Gaming
 
and anyway, you can't really detect, visually, the difference between 120 fps and 240 fps
 
Depends if everyone stops buying them so they have to unload the old stock; I guess they don't, though
 
so if a single card is already giving you way more than 60 fps, getting way, way more isn't going to make a difference
 
3:54 PM
@allquixotic Well, yes, and chances are your screen wouldn't be able to display the difference between that, anyway.
I'm talking more the difference between 25fps and 50fps
 
OH... okay...
see, I never get less than 60 fps in any game with my Radeon HD7970, so I can't really relate to the use of crossfire
 
Because I have a habit of turning the graphics settings up all the way, and playing at a 3x Eyefinity setup with three 1920x1080 resolution monitors.
 
the only 3d rendering I've ever seen on the card that doesn't turn out 60 fps is Unigine Heaven benchmark, but that's, erm, a benchmark, not a real game
 
At full resolution.l
 
@sidran32 I do miss the 100Hz refresh rate of my awesome CRT way back when. High resolution too
 
3:55 PM
If I wasn't using Eyefinity, my computer would certainly be really overpowered. :P
 
oh okay... yeah I have a single huge 1920x1080 monitor and eyefinity messes with me because of the borders between the monitors
I can see how having such an enormous framebuffer would demand crossfire
 
@BenBrocka My displays are 120Hz (3D, but with 120Hz 2D support). It really is fantastic. :)
 
@sidran32 How much did they cost?
 
@allquixotic Yeah. I'm a bit of a special case, there.
 
my display is "120 Hz" too, but I don't think it's 120 Hz 2D... the way it works is, it maxes out at 60 fps for 2D, and uses the extra refresh rate for interleaving the stereoscopic 3d left and right channels
actually mine is 240 Hz (advertised) but I still only see 60 Hz in the monitor properties
 
3:57 PM
@BenBrocka I think around $300-$400? I forget. They're Samsung S23A950D monitors.
@allquixotic I have an Acer that's a 3D monitor that advertises 120Hz, but it can only use that mode in 3D mode... you can only get up to 60Hz in 2D mode, which is lame.
 
Around double what mine cost, but not as bad as I was expecting
Do many games support eyefinity? I'm getting a second (good) monitor soon, I didn't even think of trying eyefinity
 
@BenBrocka The prices for these displays dropped quite a bit over a year.
@BenBrocka Most do, these days.
Smaller games, especially 2.5D platformers (like Trine 2), don't play well with Eyefinity (for obvious reasons). But most AAA titles seem to play well with it.
Older games are hit and miss. Sometimes it works by happy coincidence, but obviously they weren't designed to support it.
 
I guess I'd need to use 3 to have it work right though, correct?
I couldn't exactly play BF3 with the middle of the "screen" being the bezel of my two monitors...
 
For gaming, that'd be preferable. Otherwise you'll have a bezel right in the middle of your field of vision.
Yeah.
 

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