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12:00 AM

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@Oli I wonder, that version of Chrome was released today, I wonder if Ubuntu hasn't approved it yet...

12:33 AM

that's a software center bug

you need to use dpkg -i blah.deb to install it

@JorgeCastro I see...

gaaaaaaaaah everytime I ask a question it gets closed for being a duplicate :-(

@Oli @MarcoCeppi hehe sorry, I just flagged like 5 times

but it needed to be done!

@JorgeCastro Click, click, click, click, click, done

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3:07 AM

@htorque askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source/…

something is out of sync between the install file and the answer

3:24 AM

Howdy

@ThomasBoxley hello

4:06 AM

trying out Kubuntu just for giggles and to see what I am missing out on.... if anything

It's Kubuntu-y-er.

what do you mean? I don't understand?

@TheX Oh, sorry. Yes, it's much more like Kubuntu than Ubuntu.

Thus, Kubuntu-y-er.

(Yes, not helpful.)

Actually, Kubuntu is all explodey with widgety noisy GUI elements.

some say the Kubuntu gives you more control over your environment. I think that this is true, as long as you like ugly.

4:22 AM

what is a good temp for a PC to be at?

You mean the surrounding/ambient temp?

@TheX I would have said 65 degrees F, and 40-50 % humidity. Here's an answer ( serverfault.com/questions/6000/ideal-humidity-for-a-server-room ) that suggests 72º F and 48% RH .

@jgbelacqua I meant the processor temp. but that information is interesting as well

Ha. Yeah, I've got nothing on proc. temp. It's a mystery.

2 hours later…

6:31 AM

clickety clack clack, where are all the people at :) ?

7:28 AM

Good morning! All cores fine today :)

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Q: Antec Fusion Black LCD won't turn off on system shutdown

Hi! I've been struggling a while with getting the iMON LCD/IR-receiver on my Antec Fusion Black case to shutdown together with the system (XBMC Live 10 - ubuntu based). But it won't. When it's turned off the LCD still lights up the whole room. Many have proposed the "solution" of setting the mach...

hibernate xbmc backlight

Move to SU?

Stefano Palazzo

@Takkat seems like a good idea, I'd wait a bit - maybe it is a very specifically ubuntu-related issue.

morning all :)

Morning @StefanoPalazzo. Waiting is never a bad idea :)

Stefano Palazzo

83 7

ubuntu-one 10.10 sync contacts openssh freenx hibernate

he's got a lot of unanswered questions :O

That's bad. Q don't look hard at first glance. Bad luck?

Stefano Palazzo

7:46 AM

Zero Inbox! A good start of the day :)

@Takkat a couple seem to be 'bug reports'

@StefanoPalazzo and there are multiple users questions that always seem to be a bit harder ;)

Stefano Palazzo

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chromify-osd works for me now, @MarcoCeppi you rock

@JorgeCastro yeah, but it's definitely the INSTALL file that's out-of-sync if it contains that export PYTHONPATH line.

Stefano Palazzo

This screenshot illustrates the immense awesomeness of font-rendering with Ubuntu (os/font), and without a pixel grid \o/

8:07 AM

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A: Gnome-shell in 11.04?

it's part of the GNOME desktop environment, and yes when it's available you'll be able to install it instead of unity

isn't this kinda wrong? i thought the shell will only be available via a PPA?

(because, as some already noticed, it will fu** up the rest of your system :D)

@Takkat thats nice! used coolants?

@KaustubhP no all 3: shutdown, suspend, and hibernate for 8 hours ;)

@Takkat always a good way!

Stefano Palazzo

@htorque it's kind of correct, assuming we're talking about gnome 3.0, but gnome shell will be available before gnome3; whether or not you'll be able to seamlessly switch isn't clear yet (not to me anyway)

it's already available, just only through a PPA yet

i only know that it's not going to be in the official repos in its current state

Stefano Palazzo

8:11 AM

that's just the problem with __future__ questions

even if it's future, there could be some secret master plan! :P

Stefano Palazzo

there probably is :)

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↑ canonical HQ

one of their meetings:

user image

Stefano Palazzo

heh :D

lmao!

8:23 AM

tell_fortune(today, future, question)
if today < future
return question
else
return answer(question)

"brothers and sisters, finally the time has come to summon our leader, the great ubuntu!"

can i as a <10k user see a list of edits pending approval?

Stefano Palazzo

@htorque no, that's a 10k privilege

boo!

Stefano Palazzo

atwood: "it is a bit of an incentive as well"

;-)

sure it is... I DON'T LIKE THIS ATWOOD GUY

:D

Stefano Palazzo

8:32 AM

shh, he's master of our domain, if you don't like him he shall cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war

literally :P ↑

dogs of war? i have some bacon left... :D

Stefano Palazzo

(:

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Q: Boot takes a lot of time

So .. my boot takes more than a minute .. thats annoying, when i see that windows7 boots in 20sec. The Problem : On booting thats what i see : http://www.thecardozos.com/downloads/kiddix/1-default-b.jpg how can i see what happens, when booting up ?

boot configuration grub2

shouldn't that question read "how can i see what happens, when booting up ?"

Octavian Damiean

morning

Stefano Palazzo

morning @Octavian

@htorque yes

8:54 AM

@OctavianDamiean: Hello

@OctavianDamiean hi

Octavian Damiean

@htorque here is your ocelot gravatar?

flag weight 180 - only 32 positive flags to go :D

@OctavianDamiean it's gone for good, have to create something better

can anyone tell me what askubuntu.com/review is for?

Octavian Damiean

@htorque flagging

and editing

aaaah, i get it, thanks

Octavian Damiean

9:06 AM

it is posts that new users submit

Stefano Palazzo

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Q: Heuristics for detecting a bad answer?

A lot of bad answers are slipping through the cracks on Stack Overflow. You can see some examples at Thanks a lot for this post ... and other first time user curiosities I've been paging through hundreds of these first answers by new users and I've identified a few heuristics that, when applie...

discussion new-users answer-quality

don't forget this ↑ it's how "low quality answers" are determined

Octavian Damiean

how the hell do you type an arrow?

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean depends on the keyboard layout, for me it's AltGr + Shift + U (up arrow), or AltGr+U (down), AltGr+Z (left) and AltGr+I (right)

Octavian Damiean

oh nice

thanks

↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑

Stefano Palazzo

9:12 AM

ı ĦÆ‚€ ŁØŦẞ ØF ẞÞ€CıÆŁ ŊŁ›ÞĦẞ Ø’ º› &€›‘ØÆ®Ð :D

↓↓↓↓↓

→↓←↓→←↓→←↓→←↓→←↓→←↓→

ok, sorry :D

Stefano Palazzo

ẞ ← uppercase ß, i didn't even know there was an uppercase one until ubuntu's keyboard layout revealed it

it hasn't been there for too long afaik

Stefano Palazzo

A few glyphs are missing, I'd really like the greek alphabet for example, but it's ⅞ complete (:::

Capital sharp s (ẞ) is the contestable majuscule of eszett. Sharp s is nearly unique among the letters of the Latin alphabet in that it has no traditional upper case form (one of the few other examples is kra, which was used in Greenlandic). This is because it never occurs initially in German text, and traditional German printing (which used blackletter) never used all-caps. When using all-caps, the current spelling rules require the replacement of ß with SS. There have been repeated attempts to introduce one majuscule ß. Such letterforms can be found in some old German books dating ba...

Octavian Damiean

9:14 AM

I have yet to see a word starting with that letter

Stefano Palazzo

2008, wow

@OctavianDamiean it's more about all-uppercase words

Octavian Damiean

@htorque yea just read it :)

Stefano Palazzo

I like how linguist types always talk about "non-standard usage", very positive of them

they should have used the spelling reform to get rid of it

Stefano Palazzo

9:19 AM

@htorque WP says: "Der Grund liegt darin, daß es dem Rat für deutsche Rechtschreibung nicht zusteht, Schriftzeichen zu erfinden. "

they are just unimaginative :D

Stefano Palazzo

at the moment, Maße and Masse are both "MASSE", whereas before the reform there was "MASZE" (utterly ridiculous), a good example for when the ẞ makes a lot of sense

i'd say context fixes that problem :P

ok, not always

i don't get it... why do people add a space in front of a question mark only in titles but not in the text? i've seen this tons of times now.

best thing i've seen so far: no spaces around punctuation marks :D

Stefano Palazzo

@htorque at least we don't have to learn to pronounce words like "Worcestershire"

like this :)

haha

9:34 AM

bee aunty full :D

oh, i missed the 9k questions party \o/

we'll easily reach 10k for the launch of the natty narwhal

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11:13 AM

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Q: How to make Thunderbird notify of new email like Evolution?

In Ubuntu when new mail arrives Evolution changes message indicator to green color. I have migrated from Evolution to Thunderbird and that is why looking for how to make Thunderbird react like Evolution once a new mail arrives. Thanks

indicator evolution thunderbird notification

vote to close, pls

@htorque well, the Mozilla extension say they need i386 and Unity. We don't know if that is met. Popper?

@Takkat you don't need i386 nor Unity for that extension to work, but

> I don't have administrator privileges.

could be a problem :D

@htorque: i was just wondering why they say so but couldn't test it.

Does anybody have a dual core P4 and experience of how well (or not) Flash player works?

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Q: Video Performance with NVidia MX440

Im having some poor performance with the NVidia MX 440 Graphics card, when viewing videos from places such as IMDB the videos are extremely jumpy. My current configuration is pretty standard, installed Ubuntu 10.10 and then installed the NVidia drivers via the Aditional Drivers in System > Prefe...

nvidia graphics performance

@Takkat oh, that's from the mozilla site - i only know about the PPA one. well, will test it on 64-bit ubuntu classic desktop :)

11:28 AM

@htorque the duplicate question links to Mozilla ;)

@Takkat ok, i was all wrong, don't close :D

so, it works fine without unity, but indeed is only for 32-bit ubuntu

nice, someone tried to log into my gmx account... "352 fehlgeschlagene Loginversuche"

good time for a fresh password i guess :D

11:49 AM

@htorque why does Mozilla do such a thing? Can't believe shakes head.

@htorque at least the someone does not know your present PW :P

even i don't know that password - my mail passwords are all long and random

i only know one password: the one to my password storage :D

12:07 PM

oh, nice - that evil hacker was my thunderbird... hmmm. strange, cause it's getting all mail from that account w/o a problem.

12:37 PM

Can anyone invite me to quora?

@KaustubhP Do you have to be invited? I thought it's open a long long time ago

@YiJiang nope :( I tried to, but it said I needed an invite.

Octavian Damiean

oh thats a good point. If we are already talking about invitations. Does anyone know how exactly Careers 2.0 works?

12:59 PM

@StefanoPalazzo Glad it worked

1:58 PM

@htorque ok so the INSTALL is wrong?

2:09 PM

@JorgeCastro the one in INSTALL is the old one where you build everything including compiz, but the current one on AU has also a problem: it will install locally to /opt/unity and put the plugin in your home dir under "~/.compiz-1" (that's what the last change was all about) - the problem: with that present, compiz will always pick the local unity and not only after you manually export /opt/unity/bin and restart unity.

Octavian Damiean

meh no epic questions today :(

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A: How do I build Unity from source?

Building Unity from Source In this guide you will build a separated version of Unity trunk (installed to /opt/unity), so you don't need to worry about corrupting the version from the Ubuntu repositories. You'll need a fully updated Natty system, with the latest compiz and bamfdaemon packages ins...

@JorgeCastro basically points 5 and 6 are desired but not needed right now and you can only go back to unity from the repos by deleting "~/.compiz-1"

(i think)

Ok

@htorque let's wait for DBO to join IRC and we can have him sort this

2:41 PM

How do you restart compiz from the terminal?

Or rather, from the tty

Octavian Damiean

compiz --replace

oh from tty

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Q: How to make Thunderbird notify of new email like Evolution?

In Ubuntu when new mail arrives Evolution changes message indicator to green color. I have migrated from Evolution to Thunderbird and that is why looking for how to make Thunderbird react like Evolution once a new mail arrives. UPDATE 1 I have forgotten to note that I don't have administrator p...

indicator evolution thunderbird notification

hmm, does it no do "Possible duplicate:" anymore?

i deleted that, because i wasn't really sure of the dupe status anymore

oh nice, someone already asked why that extension is only 32-bit: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/…

i wonder if anyone will answer :)

sigh Well, I 'solved' the problem by hard restarting the computer

Stefano Palazzo

@htorque why is this not a duplicate?

2:52 PM

@YiJiang should be DISPLAY=:0.0 compiz --replace

it's a dupe

@htorque So that's how you launch GUI applications from the tty environment?

@YiJiang i guess all it needs is the DISPLAY variable

@StefanoPalazzo it's a "how do i replace" vs. "how do i replace given those conditions" thing

in the new question, the questioner can't do system-wide installations and the one thing that would work doesn't because it's for 32-bit only

@htorque Right, that worked. Well, I had that question on my mind for a really long time, but never really bothered asking... thank you very much

@OctavianDamiean you can just update your answer to read correctly as of now, no need to "Update" at the bottom after the old data, just get rid of the out of date information

2:58 PM

yw :)

Octavian Damiean

3:26 PM

@JorgeCastro ok cool

done

@Oxwivi Your huge thread in your preseed question is huge because you're topic is so huge and broad, maybe it might be better to split them off into steps, or to use your main question as a megaquestion and ask smaller ones in chunks.

Stefano Palazzo

Ugh I'm getting slightly depressed

talked to somone doing CS at a school close by, and it's all Java for them :\

he hasn't learned a functional language in the 4½ years he's been there
I wonder is this is normal, if I should worry about it...

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo well here in Austria it is the other way around ... you don't learn a object oriented programming language in four years ...

Stefano Palazzo

sounds nice

at school we learned visual basic and html - what can i say? ;D

Octavian Damiean

3:41 PM

@StefanoPalazzo oh boy no not at all

Stefano Palazzo

I'm learning things like Haskell, compilers, lots of cs theory, I worry if I might find myself in a market full of old-school big-business Java jobs, developing accounting systems, and that all my knowledge is useless

then stay at universities?

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean what do you do instead?

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo well knowledge is never useless but maybe it will not be that helpful for certain jobs maybe

Stefano Palazzo

@htorque that'd be good, but not something one should rely on :)

Octavian Damiean

3:42 PM

@StefanoPalazzo well we do low-level C stuff, some misused C++ and thats about it

OOP is absolutely crucial today

@StefanoPalazzo Turbo Pascal!!! Not sure what was turbo about it now ;)

Stefano Palazzo

heh

@Allan I have a soft-spot for pascal :) my first programming language

@StefanoPalazzo We had to make a gui!!!? absolutely pointless

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean C is very important though, at least that's one of my pet-beliefs, no Idea if it's true

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo well understanding the theory and the low-level part of programming in general is absolutely important but it just is not the future of programming

3:48 PM

Shouldn't we be on to D or E by now ;)

Octavian Damiean

@Allan :D

Stefano Palazzo

I probably should whine about it then :) I'll take another year to learn more java and be done with it; then check again when I start to think about leaving uni

@Allan I seem to remember, correct me if this is wrong, that you're a jewellery-maker?

If this is wrong I need to see a doc soon :P

Oh Right, I wasn't imagining things, it's on your website :) Seemed a bit random

@StefanoPalazzo partner is. I know the difference between an array and a variable

most of the time

Octavian Damiean

hehe

Stefano Palazzo

I didn't doubt that :)

3:53 PM

just haven't had the time to invest in learning one language to a deeper level. I'm trying that with python at the mo.

oh hey Allan you do android dev?

@JorgeCastro No thats @OctavianDamiean

Octavian Damiean

ay

I just really like Ubuntu alot :)

oh

but you're both close to where UDS is going to be right?

Octavian Damiean

3:57 PM

indeed

@OctavianDamiean do you know that the ubuntuone music store android app is open?

Octavian Damiean

he is closer tho

@JorgeCastro yep <50 km

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro open like open source you mean?

@JorgeCastro bout 40 miles

3:58 PM

@OctavianDamiean yep

@JorgeCastro When will there be a WebOS app?! (Or rather: How can I make one?)

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro yep I'm in contact with Michal since the beginning of this week cause I'd really like to contribute there

launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music

@OctavianDamiean man that would be awesome, I just started using it, I'll link you up with the right people at UDS!

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro that'd be fantastic :)

Stefano Palazzo

this is weird. I couldn't care less about beading and beads, but I can't stop looking through these patterns.

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they're awesome

Octavian Damiean

4:01 PM

lol

Stefano Palazzo

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this should be the most off-topic thing yet :)

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo not if you actually make one with the Ubuntu COF

@StefanoPalazzo She says its the best comment anyone's made especially as you don't know anything about beads :)

Octavian Damiean

@Allan does your wife make them?

Stefano Palazzo

@Allan that's very nice :)

4:08 PM

@StefanoPalazzo Funnily enough they are very popular in Germany and Austria

Stefano Palazzo

I like to think I know something about art and design, I wonder why I've never come across this

@OctavianDamiean Partner not married yet

Stefano Palazzo

they don't put them in museums :)

Octavian Damiean

@Allan oh ok that is amazing!

@StefanoPalazzo She hasn't made anything about Ubuntu yet but........

Octavian Damiean

4:10 PM

@Allan but she definitely should!

etsy.com/listing/55805197/…

Stefano Palazzo

@Allan design.canonical.com/brand/…

ha! :D that is great

Octavian Damiean

@Allan awesome!

She said can you come up with a name for that......... hmmmm

Octavian Damiean

WOW etsy.com/listing/61814242/…

Stefano Palazzo

4:13 PM

o.o Anti-Aliasing

Octavian Damiean

I'm definitely going to buy a few ... no joke

@StefanoPalazzo Created almost entirely in Ubuntu just the pattern program would need "Wine"

Stefano Palazzo

@Allan what's that program? I want to learn how it works

I've already got Glade and Wikipedia:Beadwork fired up (:

@StefanoPalazzo Beadtool 4 definitely not opensource

BTW my partner found a blog of a physicist who liked beading so beaded molecules and proteins 0.o

Stefano Palazzo

Mh.. I don't know how to properly draw things yet, but there should be an open source alternative

4:20 PM

@StefanoPalazzo think there's one made with Java that she tried first

Stefano Palazzo

I'm just starting out with graphics and that, never done it before. I will buy a few books and see If it's up my street

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this is an experiment I did this morning (the idea is that it uses an LCD screens RGB sub-pixels to increase the effective resolution, I'm working on an even smaller one)

Octavian Damiean

4:42 PM

oh wow the new Ubuntu one design is amazing!

one.ubuntu.com

Stefano Palazzo

like the logo!

Octavian Damiean

indeed

right time to prepare myself for my first LPIC exam :)

right if I need a good RedHat based test OS what should I look for? CentOS or SuSE?

@OctavianDamiean good luck although I'm sure you wont need it

@OctavianDamiean or Fedora

Octavian Damiean

@Allan thanks :)

@Allan right I forgot that is a good idea

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean CentOS or Scientifc Linux I'd say

Octavian Damiean

4:50 PM

@StefanoPalazzo it can't hurt to install both CentOS and Fedora on a virtual box :)

Stefano Palazzo

scientific linux has the coolest name of them all, I'd try that :)

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo hehe

5:05 PM

@OctavianDamiean Really pretty and clean

Octavian Damiean

:635591 I guess no.

wut

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Q: Files downloading when deleted from local host

I deleted about 900 files from the local host. When I connected my computer they all started downloading back on the local host........ I don't want them to come back. In file management I only see an option to delete one file at a time. I am currently using the windows beta. Os is Windows 7. (On...

Stefano Palazzo

that must be ubuntu-one for windows @OctavianDamiean

@StefanoPalazzo I'll take your word for it :)

Octavian Damiean

ah I know why there is a sudden influx of ubuntu-one questions :D

scroll down on the ubuntu one page

Stefano Palazzo

+1

There isn't anyone here who fought gtk.gdk before is there?

frustratingly complicated api this

Octavian Damiean

5:19 PM

@StefanoPalazzo nope

Stefano Palazzo

you know when you solve a problem, and you can't work out what you did differently?

(:

Octavian Damiean

oh yes ...

Octavian Damiean

5:33 PM

now I know what I was missing all the time ... music :D

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6:55 PM

who wants free rep

well not free

but pretty easy:

bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/592336

That is a bug

that answers the aptitude question on the front page

easy rep earner person needs to summarize and quote ftw.

there's a comment at the bottom of the bug from Colin that would be useful too

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A: Why was aptitude removed in favor of apt-get?

This has been covered in Bug #592336 on LaunchPad. However, in summary it was decided during the UDS-M (Maverick Ubuntu Developer Summit) that 2 additional MB could be gained on the limited LiveCD image if Tasksel and Aptitude were removed. Since the installer no longer requires aptitude this see...

Stefano Palazzo

I just got a "1 new answer" message for my own answer, and a captcha

@StefanoPalazzo :)

Stefano Palazzo

7:04 PM

@MarcoCeppi I got one for yours as well :)

you should incorporate the quote, or parts of it, into your answer - it looks authoritative :) I can delete my answer

tries to avoid people using community for opinions about everything in the project.

Stefano Palazzo

I just can't help pressing submit after I've typed something q:

Octavian Damiean

weheee 83€ Ubuntu stuff ordered UDS I'm ready!

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro the current [community] questions look good to me, have you encountered this often?

no this is the first time

7:09 PM

@StefanoPalazzo I don't think you need to delete your answer - it's still right

@OctavianDamiean you'll look like an ad pillar, right?

Octavian Damiean

@htorque you can bet I'll do :D

COF everywhere

@StefanoPalazzo yeah I actually wish I had more community questions

I just wanted to nip it at the bud before someone starts doing sabdfl or somesuch

@Oxwivi You should hang out with us in chat!

ok new rule, if I ever do "easy question!" next time someone needs to call dibs

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solves his dillema by voting for both answers

Stefano Palazzo

@Jorge I mentioned earlier that I sort of gave career advice to someone; one of the things I recommended was for this person to to start working on an open source project, recommended Ubuntu as a good start (bitesize bugs and so on). I made sure all of his questions were answered on AU :)
Looks to me like all of the essential community questions are asked and answered already

no, there are sooooo many ones, we're just scratching the surface

my initial plan was to just do normal contributing to AU until the site really got going, then just concentrate on the one tag

but then addiction set in, etc.

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Octavian Damiean

7:16 PM

@JorgeCastro hehe :D

let's send @JorgeCastro to celebrity rehab :D

I mean if you think about the "soft" parts of the project, they could go as deep as the technical topics

local teams, etc.

@htorque No way feeds him more AU crack

heh

@htorque sweet, didrocks just proposed alt-f2

7:18 PM

\o/

Stefano Palazzo

nice!

unity supporting alt-f2 makes answering questions much easier :)

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Stefano Palazzo

do we really need separate tags for different versions of Windows?

@StefanoPalazzo for now, probably

7:34 PM

@htorque now we just need someone to make an askubuntu place so people can get questions right in unity!

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro ew that sounds nice

I should really really take a look at that how-to

@JorgeCastro thanks! (now let me explain why :D)

I've had a bit of a change of heart...

I'm embracing the diversity that is the FOSS desktop, in it's many forms :)

I could go on... but... this is not a blog :D

(and I hate to see "I" begin so many sentences from me)

@RolandTaylor Roland Have you seen TheX about

Stefano Palazzo

Awesome :D Now Learn you some Haskell and install GNUStep

@StefanoPalazzo hires a hit man to hunt Stefano (jk! :D)

@Allan no?

Stefano Palazzo

7:46 PM

hires a hit man to hunt down roland's hit man

@StefanoPalazzo hires a hit man to hunt down Stefano's hit man that's hunting down... O.o

Stefano Palazzo

stack overflow

priceless

btw I have tried GNUStep (years ago when I first started to learn linux with stars in my eyes :D) - I had to stop when my pet dinosaur complained about usability :/

Stefano Palazzo

GNUStep has something no other linux desktop has. I'm going to wait a few seconds so you can make an educated guess

Objective-C as the backend? Or a really awesome theme that ambiance wants to be when it grows up?

Stefano Palazzo

7:52 PM

(removed for utter ugliness)

a text editor that can make bold text

:P

Gosh!

bold text... that... is a breakthrough

Octavian Damiean

oh my god its so ugly make it go away!

it really is

Stefano Palazzo

should I ask a question about it?

:P

LOL

Stefano Palazzo

7:56 PM

Nah, I'm talking nonsense. There's AbiWord, the only difference is that AbiWord has proper controls, whereas textedit tries to hide it's complexity, so that it appears easy-to-use™.

speaking of abiword... time to compile 2.9 - see if there's anything new (at last)

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