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2:12 AM

@WilliamHilsum :)) thanks William!

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looks like someone's angry with me

Journeyman Geek

you must be doing something right ;p

haha

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5:07 AM

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Q: Please be sure of your migrations

This is the second time in two days the Super User community has migrated a question to the wrong site. (That is, that I've reported. There very well may have been other instances.) I have flagged this for Moderator attention, but it really shouldn't come to this. If you're not absolutely sure ...

discussion migration

people VtC, please take care. We bitch about crappy migrations, we shouldn't be doing crappy migrations

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: we can ask you now ;p

hehe

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7:19 AM

Anyone in the US online?

Journeyman Geek

7:36 AM

lol, can't help there

:P

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9:53 AM

please help with my question

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Q: "Always available offline" option missing on one network drive in Windows 7

My network setup at home has 2 network storage devices on the network. The one is for media content on a Popcorn Hour A-110 and the other is a D-Link DNS-320 in RAID 1 configuration for business files. When I access these network drives and right click a folder the following context menu appears...

windows-7 sync network-shares offline-files

10:07 AM

My guess is that the D-Link doesn't support 'Offline files', or the fact it's in RAID means it doesn't.

i could not see any option in the seetings to enable it

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11:54 AM

@Sathya Did we actually do this?

> Post Migrated Away to wordpress.stackexchange.com by random♦

superuser.com/posts/480007/revisions

What a mess... xD

Oliver Salzburg

@TomWijsman Ouch

12:14 PM

Lol messy messy

2 attempts to migrate it by 2 mods within an hour (or 2) and both rejected :o

and lol @ the locking

3x closes and 2x migrations

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Q: Question migrated to a site shows as migration rejected, even though the question is still open

This question was originally(and incorrectly) migrated to WebApps(now deleted, after closing it). Since the question was offtopic, I closed it there and as a result the migration on [su] was rejected. I then proceeded to migrate it to WordPress - and now, even though the question is open on Word...

bug status-bydesign migration rejected-questions

cc @TomWijsman

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya There's a typo in WordPress

@OliverSalzburg hm?

Oliver Salzburg

user image

ah well

edit it :P

Oliver Salzburg

12:27 PM

@Sathya It's only 2 chars. I assumed I can't

@OliverSalzburg there's always a way ;)

Oliver Salzburg

Hehehe

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Oliver Salzburg

2:07 PM

Great. I put my cold coffee in the microwave to heat it up, it came out boiling. So I put it aside. Now I want to drink it... cold again O__O

@OliverSalzburg joulies.com

Either that or just man up and drink your boiling coffee :P

So we've got a few Citrix XenApp servers that I want to access over 4G... but XenApp has no IPv6 support. What do?

Oliver Salzburg

@r.tanner.f Interesting

@OliverSalzburg Yeah I've been wanting to buy them. Seems pretty... cool. xD

Oliver Salzburg

That website is really great as well

Hm, never noticed that. Good design.

Oliver Salzburg

2:15 PM

I really like how the product images are automatically zoomed on mouse over

And the usefullness of the FAQ :)

2:31 PM

@r.tanner.f Uh

I'm not aware of any 4G network in the world that lacks IPv4 support... is there a reason why you can't just access them over IPv4?

my 4G LTE (Verizon) is indeed native IPv6, but it's dual stack; I'm not automatically cut off from the IPv4 world just because I have IPv6.

Must be a different problem then... hmmmm

like a port blocked? or does XenApp require the "client" to also have a listening port open?

not sure which protocol you're using to access them

I know that RDP works over Verizon's LTE network, but I haven't tried any VPNs aside from OpenVPN over TCP... something like GRE would probably be suspect since it's basically its own transport-layer proto that is only ever used for VPNs

@r.tanner.f also, nice XY problem example :) your real problem was being unable to connect to the XenApp servers over 4G, and you assumed the solution was to make XenApp work with IPv6

haha ya

ah... Wikipedia reminded me that XenApp == Citrix Metaframe, the old name of the product that I am familiar with

looks like XenApp/Metaframe/ICA uses (variously) a custom TCP protocol; HTTP; HTTPS; SMB; and CIFS protocols

TBH, I'm not entirely sure how the whole process works. We also use the web interface.

2:42 PM

out of all of those, I can't think of a single one of those that has ever been blocked on my LTE, and I've used plenty of custom TCP protos

if your XenApp implementation is similar to how it worked back in the Metaframe days, it goes something like this:

you sign into a web interface / portal over HTTPS. it authenticates you and gives you a session cookie which your browser stores and provides with each request.

Oliver Salzburg

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Hah!

you select a shortcut to launch a metaframe/ICA instance. upon doing so, either a Java applet, or an ActiveX control (depending on your browser/platform) launches and provides the "metaframe client".

the metaframe client then initiates an outbound connection on TCP/2598 to the metaframe server, which is listening on that port. (assuming IPv4 is used here as the underlying internetwork proto, which is fully supported on LTE).

from there, protos such as SMB/CIFS are used for file transfer between client and the metaframe server if needed (drag and drop or copy and paste support) and the actual virtual GDI draw commands are piped over TCP/2598.

@OliverSalzburg care to give us a gist what it was about?

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic I was just proud to have deleted the spam 17 seconds after it was posted :P

@r.tanner.f By the way, if you are using a product called Citrix Secure Gateway, then TCP/2598 isn't even being used. The entire conversation with the ICA server is piped over HTTPS. The Citrix Secure Gateway box translates the custom TCP protocol of the ICA/XenApp server into HTTPS requests/responses to the web client.

If you went to Verizon and complained that HTTPS wasn't working, they'd laugh your face off. So that's certainly not the culprit if you have Citrix Secure Gateway integrated as part of your stack.

Ahh, okay. IPv6 is also supported through CSG. Although I web portal isn't HTTPS so I doubt we use it...

2:49 PM

You can always fire up Wireshark and sniff all HTTPS connections and all TCP conversations on port 2598... see if they're getting filtered; see if the outbound request is making it out of your computer; see if the response is coming back. Etc.

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: was that the one I flagged or did he post more? ;p

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek That was the second instance

Journeyman Geek

ahh, now that I got my marshall badge, I get properly irate at people who force me to flag their posts ;p

i got some 1000 flags on AU and i have a grander plan for them

sniffs mod nominee post

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mine should be fun

"I have ... a lot of badges."

2:53 PM

not that far away from mine :P

Journeyman Geek

158 on SU ;p

140 on AU :P

3:08 PM

I wanna do badge hunting, but i've barely time to answer q's!

;D

I was about to comment what is it with people and dino's on their profiles and then spotted the parent user :P

Refresh the page lol. I switched chat profiles.

3:24 PM

Hmm, got me a new monitor. Although I'm a bit bothered by the monitor being too light and as a result my laptop being too dark, it's going to take some getting used to this... >_<

Or I could ditch the sRGB color mode and try to mimic it in the User color mode, then put the monitor in Eco.

/me is just not used to bright light anymore.

Since I haven't heard anything positive so far in AU chat room, do you guys think this is a decent idea?

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Q: Would it make sense to create task items for better managing the site?

So, as each day goes by, we are growing bigger and bigger, both in terms of the size as well as the participating members. Now, that is not essentially a bad thing to happen. But it does present some interesting problems. As we grow bigger, we tend to neglect parts of the site that aren't so mu...

discussion community

That misspelled ubuntu query is awesome. :D

It's the search links ;D

Might be interesting to generalize that.

Like... It's extremely easy to fetch all titles of a site into a file.

One could build up a word list and end up finding all mistyped words on a site.

that might be a massive thing to do.. :\

3:29 PM

Takes some effort though, having a dictionary look-up can already help to get rid off all the English words.

Indeed

Thing is... Once there is something reliable you can host it online or so.

Or distribute the script for others to use.

anyway, in general, what do you think of making task items?

:D

cd /etc

sorry wrong window

rm -f

i mean, someone just said he is not doing unpaid work.

@HaydnWVN: Or you're using irssi. :)

3:32 PM

just relearning my windows hotkey switching :P

@jokerdino: Well yeah, such long lists of tasks are discouraging.

Might be better to actually build something that makes us do most of these tasks better.

Delegate!

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Q: Would it be handy to have a live activity tracker for moderation purposes?

Would it be handy for high reputation users to have a live activity tracker available for moderation purposes? Not a tracker that solely tracks a tag or a question but a tracker that covers all activity. As this would be locked to high reputation users only there shouldn't really be a scalability...

feature-request moderation recent-activity tracking

@HaydnWVN like trello boards?

As far as that went, had a list of events for quite a while to the left of my SU.

3:33 PM

if you give lots of people a long list of tasks they'll invareably do the easiest first

But in the form that it was it wasn't really handy.

@jokerdino: My approach as far has been to sometimes come up with an idea, work it out (often in a Data.SE query) and go through it.

like only i do it?

One of them is editing the top question titles and/or bodies to be more useful. Another one was to edit extremely short titles.

i have been doing it on and off but i can't do it efficiently.

I mean... Go look around the communities and you'll notice how useless "four words or less" titles are.

And that might be extensible to even five or six words.

3:37 PM

well, you have them somewhere?

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Q: Data recovery solutions

I accidentally formatted my hard-disk but was able to see all my files and recover them with usage of GetData Back recovery tool. Is there not just a way to just restore the complete hard-drive as it was without relinking the deleted files and folders to the partition structure so everything app...

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Q: Auto login to page

the URL is http://www.fakenet.com:8080/Manager/ and i have been trying the normal ways of http://www.fakenet.com:8080/Manager?j_username=usernames&j_password=password but nothing gets populatet in to the textboxes, any one know whats going on here this is the source of the loginpage. &l...

if you are just giving me more things to do, i'll groan

Well, I don't have a query for words count. Only those for least characters.

@jokerdino I can give you a ton of work... :P

in my opinion, i already do quite a bit. and no one else really want to do it :P

i mean, i got exactly zero votes even after posting in the AU chat room.

@jokerdino Here's a list of things for you to do, in a handy word document! msworddit.com

Journeyman Geek

3:39 PM

@TomWijsman: the former is almost certainly a dupe

one had a different opinion and others ignored and moved on :P

Ah, I did have a query by word count in titles (tons of two word titles there), also a query by word count in bodies.

@HaydnWVN reddit?

@jokerdino xD

eh @tom, can you post on the meta so i don't lose track :P

3:41 PM

You do it yourself. :P

:(

Else it would be like you're asking a Gentoo user to contribute to Ubuntu. j/k

heh

Just saying, would be handy to just go to a page and that page tells you where the most work is needed.

who would set it up?

i can only think of trello. :|

3:46 PM

And each time the user completes something it goes to some next box.

No, something in the browser, an extension.

Just define an order of importance of things.

And one could build like some web API service that if X people checked the last tags nobody will need to check it again till after 1 or 2 weeks or so.

sounds good.

but who?

Just a lot of work, like the mistyped words things. :D

It takes effort to clean the site up. It take even more effort to make something that makes cleaning the site up more efficient.

Totally

Although I feel like giving the mistyped words thing a shot, should be able to see through an early prototype how easy it is to find actual mistyped words.

Thanks.

So you are gonna go through the whole dictionary for that? :D

3:51 PM

Nasty thing about that is that it's not solely about correcting the words, but also about editing the actual posts as to not flood the front page.

Well, English dictionary look-up already cuts quite some work.

Let me hear good news from you.

Already have written the download and parse part.

But gonna port it from Python to Node.js first.

Or hmm, could perhaps just keep the python downloader, cause it works.

well, that could help me get some edit rep on SU :D

I'm rerunning my old scripts first to see if they generate some useful stuff again.

how many of those do you already have? O_o

3:57 PM

Just two, one to download tag counts in an alphabetically sorted list, the other finds question titles where there is a low edit distance in between.

i could use that one.

actually both of them.

230 seconds to download 1379 pages of questions.

zing.

(It's over the SE API, within the rate limit)

wait, you are talking just about titles?

ubuntu is spelt wrong everywhere

4:00 PM

All question information on SU.

Right.

That's pretty fast.

so you download the whole thing using API. how neat.

i'll be back tomorrow :P

got to sleep

Just 3 minutes left.

Ah okay. :D

:D

Needed a fresh set again anyway, always like to deal with a recent state and not one of months ago.

Yeah, on SO I believe you can't get all of them within a day, due to the limit.

    {
      "tags": [
        "permissions",
        "apache",
        "chmod"
      ],
      "answer_count": 1,
      "favorite_count": 0,
      "question_timeline_url": "/questions/480382/timeline",
      "question_comments_url": "/questions/480382/comments",
      "question_answers_url": "/questions/480382/answers",
      "question_id": 480382,
      "owner": {
        "user_id": 161766,
        "user_type": "registered",
        "display_name": "NorthPole",
        "reputation": 1,
        "email_hash": "5c86059ccf1642a3299723063cb67093"

That's what a single question is like, it might be that some fields were stripped due to a filter, dunno how I set it up back then.

I used to convert them like this:

    367576
    How do I browse all shapes in Visio (2010)
    2010 browse shapes visio

Question ID, full title and stripped / sorted title.

Finding shortest edit distances for the last line allows to easily find questions about the same thing.

Although horrible performance matching each question with each question, so got to do it with limited sets...

Might be useful to put them into categories in advance.

Like put all questions containing "visio" together, ...

But well, would require one to spent a bit too much time without knowing whether the result will work out or not.

It could end up allowing one to find duplicates extremely quick, or end up being a complete disaster.

Got the questions, going to convert them to above format without the last line, figure out where I can get a simple English dictionary and then have some fun trying to get the mistyped words.

But first, food!

</monologue> (cc @jokerdino) :D

4:51 PM

Too localised?

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Q: Website Stopped Showing From Google Search Results Suddenly

I have a design and development blog http://www.thetutlage.com ( 1.5 years old ), which was doing really well in google search as i was getting over 70% of my traffic from google. Now suddenly from last two days it reduced the amount of traffic from 70% to 20% and also when i am trying to search ...

@njallam No; off topic

Is there a site for that kind of stuff?

if anything, it'd be webapps, but I'm not an expert on the topicality rules for that, and it sounds like a SEO question

I think @TomWijsman spends some time at WebApps, and @Sathya is a mod there

I'm pretty sure those are offtopic there

Checks FAQ

@allquixotic Not much, I should spend more time everywhere; but well, time is limited.

4:55 PM

it's basically saying "my website got bumped way down on google, whyyyyy :(" so it's essentially a SEO question

Websites and SEO surely do not fit on SU. Dunno about Web Apps.

Web Apps is more about Applications than it is about Websites and SEO, I think there is one place it could be on topic, but that might require a mod:

^That's the site I was thinking of^

didn't know about that site. is it new/beta?

> 2,068 questions tagged seo

can a mod migrate to any SE site or can we only migrate to the ones in the VTC list?

4:57 PM

Seems it started around July 2010.

aha

@allquixotic We can do VtC only, mods can do anywhere. I've seen questions migrated to Personal Productivity for example.

/me removes his shameful star :P

@TomWijsman kinda annoying that

perhaps 1000rep should be migrate to anywhere

welp... anyway... you're welcome to ask the mods to migrate it. I have someone coming over to my desk for a meeting in 1 minute so I'll be out of here

definitely seems topical for prowebmasters

5:00 PM

Another way of interpreting that question: I have dropped in Google rankings. If I subtly create a way of getting traffic both direct and via Google, maybe it will rise again.

I doubt it though.

Well, it's an extremely minor problem. I mean, if an user can't decide which site to end up posting his question and ends up doing it at a completely wrong site I doubt if the question is going to be any good. That's somewhat the idea behind having a list to pick from, and we can flag for exceptional cases. And even then, there's the blog post about not thinking too much about migrating things away...

Whoa, that took some time. A lot of posts since then...

Blog - Stack Exchange: Respect the community – your own, and others’

Shog9 on March 22, 2012

In “Why Can’t You Have Just One Site?” Jeff wrote about the rationale for creating three sites instead of one, and the process for determining where a question belongs:

Is it really so hard to figure out which community you belong to, and thus, where your question belongs? Ask yourself this:

what is your job title?

which community do you consider yourself a part of?

what are you trying to accomplish?

You can use the same mountain to go downhill really fast on snow — but it’s plainly evident to the participant which culture they consider themselves a part of, “skiers” or “snowboarders”. …

@njallam I wonder how much posting his site on SU will help boost his site.

his question was deleted... by the author

5:40 PM

And... First typo found!

superuser.com/questions/480342 Reserve DHCP slots for certian users? (certian dhcp)

Second...

superuser.com/questions/480271 How to manually move files on psysical hard drive? (psysical)

@TomWijsman Well I clicked on it.

Any Dropbox users here?

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Q: Can't change Dropbox's Autoplay settings

Every time I plug in my USB memory stick, Dropbox instantly starts scanning for and uploading photos from it. I do not want it to do this and I want to get a Windows prompt upon any media being plugged into my computer. I tried checking the Dropbox setting for an option, however it only links t...

windows-7 dropbox autoplay

Only using the web interface.

Hmm, wonder whether to consider OSX as a typo, seems like a lot of people don't type the space in between...

superuser.com/questions/479363 OSX esc key stops working (randomly) (osx)

superuser.com/questions/469544 Edit the command line path for an executable on OSX (osx)

And then there's also stuff like MacOS

superuser.com/questions/232059 Adding Windows XP on a macbook pro running MacOS and Ubuntu (macos)

And a third typo...

superuser.com/questions/479958 Diaster Recovery for the Cloud (diaster)

6:04 PM

This question, old as it is, seems to have evolved over the years into a list of the various remote GUI access software available. Is that just fine and dandy the way it is, or is it perhaps ripe for a community wiki? If the latter, are there standards to follow in making it so? Leave well enough alone?

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Q: Remote assistance from Linux to Windows

I am running Ubuntu. And my friends has Windows XP Pro. He has a desperate need for remote help. So I was wondering if there is any program that will allow me to send my screen over to his computer so he can see what I am doing or. Some program that wil allow me to control his PC so I can help ...

windows ubuntu remote

Gonna add osx as a correctly typed word, too much people type it wrong that it's acceptable :D

@Josh Community wiki is no longer a tool to magically save questions, it's not constructive to me as it's easy to find such software (and alternatives to it).

So the answers end up being a subjective copy of Google results.

Blog - Stack Exchange: The Future of Community Wiki

Grace Note on August 19, 2011

When you mark a post community wiki on a Stack Exchange site, that means …

this post can be edited by anyone with 100 reputation

this post does not generate any reputation for anyone when upvoted or downvoted

The main advantage of community wiki — more editing — was nerfed when we introduced suggested edits. With suggested edits, anyone, even an anonymous user, can edit anything — so long as another experienced user reviews and approves their edit.

This leaves many wondering — what’s the point of Community Wiki? …

@TomWijsman Right, ok. fwiw, I'm not worried about saving the question. It's otherwise not in danger afaik. Perhaps I just misunderstood what a community wiki was for. In any case, a late answer review pointed me to it, and upon checking out question, it just occurred to me that I've run across (I've even answered a few of them) other questions who's answers basically ended up being the same list of software titles.

superuser.com/questions/399445 Export Passwords and Booksmarks from Chrome to Firefox (booksmarks)

superuser.com/questions/479596 Windows 8 Data not tranfering (waiting in line) (tranfering)

I agree though, with the subjective google results bit

superuser.com/questions/144916 What are "Missing thread recordng" erros when running fsck -fy? (erros fsck fy recordng)

Think that if I spent a while getting the right words out this tool can find a ton of mistyped words.

Seems product codes are going to make it a bit tricky, but better some help than no help at all... :)

@Josh Yeah, it could be a duplicate as well.

6:23 PM

@TomWijsman "Sometimes it’s just a matter of understanding the root of a question: “Software to record video games” can be turned into a great question without needing the crutch of community wiki." software-rec. Great example.

@DanielBeck Well, I could easily score a lot of reputation that way... alternativeto.net/tag/screen-capture

@TomWijsman considering its age, it probably isn't a duplicate, though I'm sure it has duplicates :)

Or for that Gaming question... google.com/#q=game+capture+software

If it weren't for the Amazon sponsored links and typical YouTube links in the results, that query does a fine job.

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Oliver Salzburg

8:20 PM

Holy cow. One of the washing machines in the cellar tipped over and ripped out a water hose

What a disaster

I've been shoveling water for hours :D

at your place?

Oliver Salzburg

@r.tanner.f Yeah

Damn. How long did it go before you hit the shut off valve?

Oliver Salzburg

@r.tanner.f Well, it was the machine of my neighbor. She rang my door and was all hysterical :D So we ran down and everything was flooded. Must have been going for like an hour

And every apartment has their own little storage room. They all flooded. Some of the neighbors have so much stuff in there that it was hard to even get the door open. Everything was soaked. Luckily we have shelves!

>_o

I've had my place flooded by the upstairs neighbors a couple times... They insist on using their thousand year old broken washer instead of buying a new one. Water damage sucks.

Time for an insurance claim?

Oliver Salzburg

8:31 PM

Well, none of our stuff that was damaged was really valuable

It'll be interesting if there's any water damage to the house itself though

And, of course, all the drains were clogged :D

9:05 PM

I think answers like this have a lot of snark which probably clouds the real facts of the matter. Is this typical of certain topics (like Windows 8, which I know has a lot of controversy surrounding it)?

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A: Is there something like BIOS in Windows 8?

Yes things may have changed, machines that have the Windows 8 compatibility logo are forced by Microsoft to have Restricted Boot. This is a variant of Secure Boot, but with restrictions to stop the user deciding how they want to use their computer. Microsoft do not call it “Restrictive Boot” (tha...

> Yes things may have changed

I made a comment:

may? --> Imposes the answerer has no clue what he's talking about.

This answer has a lot of snark. Sure, it is restrictive, but it's not "Restrictive Boot". It's "Secure Boot". Also, there's reasons why they chose it, and they do make exceptions. Like @Ramhound stated, it's only necessary for getting a sticker on the box. It's good to note that mainboard manufacturers also sometimes have a setting that lets you protect your BIOS settings, essentially making them read-only, until you turn it back off. For instance, MSI. Microsoft is only encouraging use of this feature, which for most users, doesn't impact them at all. — sidran32 4 mins ago

@TomWijsman Yeah, that whole sentence is very awkward paired with the rest of the answer.

I considered making this a Meta post, but I didn't know if it was a common thing or just something particular to this question.

Now, Windows 8 does support UEFI instead of BIOS.

I don't believe many computers use UEFI in place of BIOS at this time.

@sidran32 superuser.com/posts/473220/revisions

9:16 PM

@TomWijsman I still don't like "stop the user deciding how they want to use their computer" because that's implying that you can't use your computer as you want the way you used to. System builders adopting Windows 8 won't be restricted. Those buying a logo'd box (mostly) aren't the kind of market that will be dual-booting Linux.

Also, it'd be good to note that it's not a BIOS feature, but UEFI. And there's really no way to know if the user is booting through UEFI with that enabled (and I doubt it, since you can't buy a logo'd Windows 8 box yet, anyway).

Likely he's just missing the "press DEL to enter setup" message (or equivalent).

@TomWijsman The other answer is the better one for the OP.

IMO

@sidran32: IMHO we should just get rid of this anwer.

Look what happen's if I remove his false "Microsoft's Restrictive Boot": superuser.com/posts/473220/revisions

Probably...

And yeah, see the paragraph he added at the end? BIOS is an old DOS thing. Now, I'm not an expert on BIOS and all that, but I'm pretty sure that's a false association.

IIRC, the BIOS was an IBM firmware that was to initialize the devices in the IBM PC. PC clones used the same architecture, but used a reverse-engineered BIOS because the BIOS was protected IP. MS-DOS or not is not involved at all.

9:33 PM

After cleaning out your answer of doubts and false / conflicting statements I am left with

with restrictions to stop the user deciding how they want to use their computer. The new way of booting can limit what operating systems you can run.

which is false; Secure Boot can be turned off, allowing you to do with your computer whatever you want to do with it, no need to turn it back in. — Tom Wijsman 42 secs ago

nods

Voting the question as NARQ as well, it's pretty loaded in amount of sub questions.

Probably a good thing

Redoing the question in the form of "What is Secure Boot in Windows 8?" would make up for an extremely useful question.

As well as "Why is there UEFI now and what are its improvements over BIOS?"

nods

9:36 PM

Like you say... Is BIOS actually very related with DOS?

Nope.

@sidran32: There... superuser.com/posts/473220/revisions

It is solely there to initialize the hardware itself. It's the "boot firmware", more or less. It can bootstrap an operating system afterwards, but that could be DOS or Windows or anything else (like... Haiku :P).

His last sentence is also false. And that paragraph has horrible interpunction.

Yeah. BIOS was an IBM thing. Intel drafted UEFI.

IBM only licensed DOS after the fact, and it had nothing to do with their development of the BIOS.

9:40 PM

Secure Boot (or any other form what he likes to call it) came with UEFI, not with BIOS.

Yup, though UEFI is BIOS-compatible (for OS's that aren't UEFI-aware)

Hmm, true.

(Full disclosure: I'm cross-referencing my own knowledge with Wikipedia for accuracy :P)

@sidran32: Okay, think I'm done editing, is the answer more fine now?

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A: Is there something like BIOS in Windows 8?

Machines that have the Windows 8 compatibility logo come with Secure Boot, with restrictions that by default stop the user deciding how they want to boot their computer; however, on a PC you have the ability to use Custom Mode which allows you to boot into other OSes. If you are unlucky, I sugges...

It might be that he's going to do some rolling back or adding more stuff; we'll see. If that's the case, we can go the whole meta / flagging / deleting way.

9:55 PM

The last sentence regarding "undue influence" is unneeded, IMO.

And false.

> However, with Secure Boot the hardware vendor is having an undue influence on the BIOS.

If you have Secure Boot, you don't have a BIOS. You have UEFI. And "undue influence" is irrelevant and speculative.

@Tom Wijsman can you finish this answer? – richard 7 mins ago
@richard: This question is awaiting more information from the OP. – Tom Wijsman 6 mins ago
@Tom Wijsman this question is answered ✓ – richard 4 mins ago
@richard: That's the sign which stands for accepted, not answered. – Tom Wijsman 1 min ago edit

Yeah.

Love this kind of back-and-forth talking. :D

:P

@sidran32: OP hasn't been there for 10 hours, guess he went to sleep and work / school; so, might be that it turns around and / or he answers things.

Wouldn't be the first one to accept a question as a zealot.

10:04 PM

Yup

@TomWijsman My life for Aiur! Err.. I mean... My life for DRM! (Secure Boot)

You must construct additional pylons. Pylons. Pylons. Pylons. Pylons pylons pylons pylons pylons pylons pylons pylons.

I gotta go. See ya. Thanks, @TomWijsman for your help with the question.

I'm finishing up work and couldn't really do much since I'm at work anyway :P

@sidran32: No problem, like to verify posts. I usually do it on Meta.

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Journeyman Geek

11:35 PM

morning

Journeyman Geek

11:58 PM

kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/… I have no idea what it'd be used for, but it seems pretty neat that you can get a massively parallel system for under a hundred bucks ;p

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