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1:01 AM
@Matthew7.7 any chance you'd be willing to stop by for a chat?
 
 
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7:45 AM
@waxeagle: Christianity.SE has been very useful (and quite enlightening). Unfortunately, I find it too addictive. :-) [In fact, I'm not just leaving Christianity.SE, I'm also throwing my Stackoverflow [rep 1.5k] and Mathematica [rep 700+] account]. It's kind of unfortunate that I'll be reading a book, think "ha!, that'd be a great question; ... and have it interrupt my reading process."
Anyway, thanks to everyone for all the spiritual insights. Perhaps I'll return again when I have more discipline to avoid treating StackExchange as twitter for questions.
 
 
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9:51 AM
@user1311390 I'm glad to hear you are leaving for that reason and not for some other. I understand that anything addicting and distracting may need to be dealt with using drastic measures and I respect you for doing that. Know that we were glad to have you around and would be happy to see you back too.
Well would you look at that, our early bird user number 4 is about to hit 10k.
Congrats @peterturner on 10000 in just two days shy of a year :) If we graduate soon you'll still be a "trusted user".
 
10:57 AM
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Q: Where'd my rep go?

CalebThis is just a heads up post that I did a little bit of house cleaning today. A few people might notice as it will mean a pretty big hit to their rep. The most affected people are going to be Affable Geek and yours truly, loosing a couple hundred each, with a few other people taking smaller hits....

 
11:28 AM
I'm gonna try to get my CCD class to sign up here when class starts again in a month. I'll give 'em a nickel every time they answer a question. Be prepared for a lot of "because God is love and stuff" — Peter Turner 17 hours ago
Ah, bribery and corruption!
;)
 
12:15 PM
Real image? Fake image?
Poe?
 
12:54 PM
@user1311390 You're leaving already? :( :( Sad to see you go.
 
@TRiG real image of what? it's a meme, memes are real
 
@Caleb Thanks, at this rate I'll be the Jon Skeet of †.SE by 2512
 
1:33 PM
@Peter if you are still around then you will be remarkable for more profound reasons than catching Skeet.
 
1:46 PM
BTW, I'd like to thank the ecumenical movement / Holy Spirit for making this 10K possible. It is entirely likely that 95% of my +1's came from Protestants and Atheists and 50% of my -1's came from fellow Catholics. The other 5% and 50% probably came from pity, but I'm not complaining! I think I'll affix a gold cross bottony to my gravatar
 
@waxeagle I mean, was it or was it not intended as a joke? It can be very hard to tell sometimes.
 
@TRiG I assume it's intended as a joke. It's a meme. But I'm not one to take myself too seriously
 
@PeterTurner Interesting side-question: Jon Skeet talks about religion quite a lot on his blog, so why doesn't he participate here?
@waxeagle Ah, well. It gives me yet another excuse to link to slacktivist on Vampires & Crosses.
 
@TRiG my guess? way way way to busy keeping his god status on SO
(then again he can cap out without logging in)
 
2:16 PM
The chutzpah with with conservative Christians lie is almost impressive. I strongly supect there's something very interesting culturally going on there. The leaders are largely self-appointed, but their authority is absolute. Anyone with the right "stance" cannot be questioned. And as long as your "stance" on the Big Four is right, anything else is unimportant.
Not included in those four: honesty.
Which is why self-appointed leaders of Conservative Christians get away with lying through their teeth time and time again.
 
@TRiG I've become pretty well disenchanted with the Christian right. i'd still identify conservative, but people like Michele Bachman are not people I want to be associated with (at all)
 
And the intentional cultural insularity probably helps too. (They want to control the conversation.)
 
(and the fact that people have cross politics with religion in such a way that the conservatism and christianity have been equated is disturbing)
 
@waxeagle But how do these people get power in the first place?
@waxeagle Yup. The same tribalism applies, and the same calibre of outright lies are accepted in conservative politics.
 
@TRiG as far as the elected officials go? because they appeal to rural areas with traditional values
 
2:21 PM
@waxeagle Wherein "traditional values" is itself a code word. And the tradition is by no means as long-standing as many imagine.
Tell me, do I link to slactkivist (a) too much, or (b) far too much?
20 hours ago, by TRiG
@JonEricson As I believe I many have mentioned before, one of the reasons I spend time at Slacktivist is in a conscious effort to remind myself that Christians are not necessarily my enemy (though Christians in the news usually are). Basically, any Conservative Christian talking politics is assumed to be lying until proven otherwise.
 
@TRiG lol
@TRiG yeah varying values of tradition. I should also mention that the folks who get elected often take advantage of the whatever the current political meme is (although "cutting the fat from Washington" is always a popular meme).
Last thing on politics. We've had for probably 20 years, single issue conservative politics. If you want to outlaw abortion you have the conservative vote and whatever else you think hardly matters
 
@waxeagle Which is probably one reason why conservatives in Washington never actually do anything about banning abortion. That keeps it alive as an issue.
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@TRiG yeah. Although at this point the only thing they can do is amend the constitution which is designed to be incredibly inefficient.
but yes. The problem with single issue politics is there is no incentive to fix the single issue because then you don't have a platform anymore
 
 
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3:39 PM
just chiming in here ... the real problem is the inordinate amount of faith/responsibility placed in government to carry out our morality and ethical framework, be it liberal or conservative (and all shades and variations between). the fine line between desiring that the government espouse those morals/ethics and demanding that it enforces them is a razor's edge from which it is far too easy to slip.
 
3:51 PM
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Q: The problem with extrinsic motivation

Jon EricsonAs a preface, I've stopped using Stack Overflow after participating in the beta and using the system for a while. I'm not trying to stir up controversy or ruffle feathers, though that seems likely to happen. Rather this is a postmortem of one user's experience with Stack Overflow. I've always ...

I'm not sure that Matthew7.7 will ever see that, but I certainly know the feeling.
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@JonEricson what made you come back?
 
@swasheck Gardening and Philosophy. ;-)
@swasheck This is so true. If we really stick with democracy, we must resolve to live with our fellow citizen's bad decisions.
 
@JonEricson i'm appalled that i typed "far to easy to slip." it's making my skin craw as i read it.
 
@swasheck Fixed. ;-)
 
also - i find myself filtering answers by any number of things. 1) the quantity/quality of extant answers, 2) the OP, 3) the crowd that the question has drawn
 
4:00 PM
@swasheck It's pretty much impossible to answer every question. Trying to find questions that you might learn from answering is important.
 
sure. i wouldnt want to answer every question. but i still filter the ones in which i have some sort of core competency based on who has already commented/answered.
@JonEricson thanks, btw
 
 
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6:18 PM
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Q: Shouldn't Private Chat rooms be hidden from the sidebar?

TRiGIn the sidebar of the meta site, I'm seeing a chat room that I don't have access to. Wouldn't the simplest thing be to hide it so I don't see it at all?

 
 
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9:27 PM
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Q: Is there a way for a bounty from a deleted user to be awarded manually?

wax eagleWe've got a slight issue that will take some dev involvement, a hack, or just us settling for a significantly less than optimal solution. The problem: A user posted a bounty on this question with pretty clear intentions as to how it should be awarded. He then requested his account be deleted whi...

 
 
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10:42 PM
@PeterTurner Congrats on the 10K!! Woot, I think we're up to 7 full-up members. We get out of beta yet!
@Trig As someone who actually agrees with 3 of the "Big 4" (Climate Science is in fact science, and a real Christian would understand the need for stewardship!), I have to disagree that its only those in rural areas who hold to tradition.
I'd like to think I'm not a mindless Christian, but I can't escape what Scripture says. Ultimately, I really see Scripture as pretty clearly hewing to those positions. I can either choose to subordinate Scripture to my politics, or my politics to Scripture.
As one who grew up Republican, I used to assume that Jesus was in favor of lower taxes. I can't say that any more - I've read too much of the Bible. I had to choose between my politics and my God. But that works in both directions
Frankly, it would be a heck of a lot easier to say "Oh, God supports any decision I make." God does not support every decision I make. I'd like to say that getting rid of unwanted children is Ok. I can't. I'd like to say that sex should be with whomever you wayou want is Ok. I can't.nt.
I just would ask you to consider the possibility that thoughtful people actually can value things differently, and as such come to different conclusions.
 
@AffableGeek I don't recall saying that it happened only in rural areas.
I think I said that much of what counts as "tradition" actually isn't.
I don't recall saying anything one way or the other about a rural/urban divide.
 
I thought it was somehwere near the Michelle Bachman thing.
Oh well, I've been wrong before :)
FWIW, I don't care about the tradition - I really care about trying to be honest with the extant Scriptures. I agree, all Scriptural readings have "a tradition," but I try to be really serious in understanding how they apply
 
A search for "rural" finds only one relevant comment, and that was yours.
9 hours ago, by wax eagle
@TRiG as far as the elected officials go? because they appeal to rural areas with traditional values
 

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