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12:00 AM
Frankly, I'd rather support a product with lots of smaller config files than one huge 10,000 line config file.
 
12:27 AM
@Adrian Postfix has both! Hooray!
 
D'oh. Missed out on +200 day by 9 minutes. :(

I think I'm gonna blame it on illegal immigrants and go watch some TV.
 
@JoelESalas Yep. And while the in-file documentations isn't bad, once you're into writing new stuff, the docs are for shite.
 
I missed by an hour yesterday.
 
I rather like Postfix though. Flexible enough to do exactly what I want with a few very minor exceptions. Usually cases where supervisors are lazy and want a technical solution to a staff issue.
 
@Adrian I actually really like Postfix. Integration with SELinux is nice
 
12:31 AM
@JoelESalas Truly. For the most part, SELinux works fine for me. My Dev co-workers hate it because it prevents them from doing ridiculously random shit that's convenient only for them.
 
SELinux... there's something I just love to hate. If I could figure out how to get big security dollars to roll it out and make the administration someone else's headache, I think I'd just love it, though.
 
I love that "How to do blade integration" question. Closed as Crap 2 minutes after it arrived here from SO.
 
@Adrian The mod from SO actually flagged it
He didn't mean to migrate it
 
@MarkHenderson Ah. I can forgive human error.
 
I got one last night in under 30 seconds
 
12:34 AM
@MarkHenderson There a "best 30 seconds of your life" joke in there somewhere.
 
@Adrian Is it different than the one my ex tells?
 
@HopelessN00b Probably not. =)
 
Interestingly I can't find any way to list questions that I've closed. Only if they've had a flag on them can I report on them
 
@MarkHenderson I'm a total metrics freak. If I can't measure it, I'm not happy.
 
Ditto
Although mine is more logging
 
12:38 AM
@MarkHenderson google.com/search?q=site%3Aserverfault.com+%22closed+as+*+by+mark+he‌​nderson%22
 
If I can't find a log of it, it didn't happen
 
Well that didn't work.
 
Sounds like an other joke my ex tells. Incidentally, where are ya from, @Adrian? =D
 
@HopelessN00b Little bit of everywhere. Working in Seattle these days.
 
@MichaelHampton Good thinking
 
12:41 AM
How about that.
 
@MichaelHampton I blame @WesleyDavid.
 
@MarkHenderson About 1,510 results...
 
@MichaelHampton wow, I have 1,690
Now all I need is super-mod power so I can one-hit kill those.
 
@Zoredache You only get that with a ♦
 
Sorry, Google does not serve more than 1000 results for any query :(
 
12:44 AM
@MarkHenderson It ought to be possible to get this info out of the API, no?
 
@MichaelHampton Don't know to be honest
I don't think the closing data is exposed via the API, but its been a long time since I checked
 
Probably can build a query for it on data
 
@MichaelHampton I don't see it in the api docs. It may be possible to find since closing a question is stored in the voting table I believe.
 
@MarkHenderson votes => closures on your user profile
 
@RebeccaChernoff I must be going blind in my young age...
But yay, that helped me find it :)
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Q: Sata Hard Drive Spins then stops

Adonis LI have a western digital caviar SE16, when the drive is plugged in it spins up for about 10 seconds and then stops, does this indicate a problem on the controller I am wondering should I attempt to replace it or does this problem sound like a different issue.

24 seconds on that one
 
12:52 AM
He clearly should have lied and said he was hosting 8 virtual servers on it, given us all a laugh, at least.
 
1:26 AM
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Q: One device for routing/firewall/ISP balancing/gateway

justausrHere are my three choices: Right now I have a cisco ASA that I'm using for a firewall, vlan router, gateway, and ISP failover. There isn't enough control in the ASA for what I need and the license to do it gets very expensive. So upgrading that license is my least favorite option. My cisco also...

 
Seems like he wants more vlans and has a base license. Security plus license is still a lot cheaper than a server.
 
@ShaneMadden And if I did a server, it'd have to be a nicer server than that.
But it's possibly to have all sorts of granular control using a Cisco device... with the right licensing.
 
@ewwhite Yeah. I think the 5505's the only one with 100mb ports (unless the 5510 does too?).
 
But I haven't encountered many sites that couldn't be served well with an ASA5510.
5510 is GigE.
 
Yeah, 5505 then.
 
1:30 AM
and that's ~$2800 with security plus licensing...
 
-2
Q: What is the point of installing applications in default paths without consolidating the user?

Muhammad GelbanaI've been installing MySQL on a server recently and I had to edit many files and change ownerships only move the data files from their default location to some other partition. Why is it different from installing it on Windows for instance ? Specifying MySQL data files is a very reasonable need ...

There's always one to be found on the SU front page...
Oh look, SE just emailed me to tell me: "Congratulations -- you are one of the top new Android Enthusiasts - Stack Exchange users for the month of July 2012!"
 
I'm sitting here repairing a filesystem corruption on a volume presented via Comstar iSCSI from a ZFS storage server. It's connected via wireless to my MacBook Pro and contains 9 months of Time Machine backups...
 
I briefly misread that as "Comcast iSCSI"...
 
So wireless iSCSI to a MacBook...
It's a strange thought.
 
Sounds like a fun evening.
 
1:37 AM
It's just that HFS+ is a crappy filesystem.
 
That's not news.
 
It's a little stunning that they haven't gotten rid of that beast yet
 
They apparently LIKE it.
 
Try tried to go to ZFS.
 
Didn't they even include a read-only implementation in the OS at some point?
 
1:40 AM
They did... Removed.
 
Weak.
 
Naw...
Stack Overflow
 
1:58 AM
Its not a coding question though - its performance morelike
 
@JourneymanGeek It's application architecture. My last firm used the same stack. I forwarded the question to one of the developers there
 
nice ;p
 
2:15 AM
Hi all. Question: Do you think it is acceptable for a web hosting company to be offline for over 12 Hr + ?
 
No, it's not acceptable.
Look at your contract or SLA... because that's pretty bad downtime.
 
Last time was 3 days.. That was about a year ago..
 
@Arthor If they're down for 12+ hours, their entire DC had better have burnt down
Sounds like someone did a rm -rf / and they're trying to find out how old their backups are
 
This is Shared Hosting, but never the less. If implemented well, there should not be a downtime for such an extent.
Checking SLA..
I have no idea how they brought the entire SAN down. This is what I have been told.
Thanks all. Have a good evening.
 
Cya
Hope it comes back online
and bringing an entire SAN down should be pretty difficult if it's been designed in a fully redundant way
And if it hasn't been, then, well, now you know what happens :)
 
2:30 AM
Yep.. a better hosting company.. Do not use "Prime Hosting UK". Thanks
 
3:17 AM
@MarkHenderson Lunarpages pulled one of those stunts. Kinda lost my site for about 3 days after several failed server consolidation attempts. Some of the user databases got put on the wrong servers. Total fscking mess.
 
@MarkHenderson If the SAN's not setup in a fully (or at all) redundant way, it's easy to take down. I can do it in my sleep. Even did once, literally... not an accomplishment that I list on my CV/resume, though.
 
Kev
@MarkHenderson / all - you folks want this: stackoverflow.com/questions/11751178/…
 
Looks like it belongs, and is not hideously unsalvageable. I'd take a crack at answering it tomorrow if the users leave me alone for a few minutes.
 
@Kev Yeah, that's not too bad. Thanks for popping in and asking. Very much appreciated
 
Consumer-grade "APs", though. He might be disappointed, but it wouldn't be hard to answer.
 
3:23 AM
@Kev Well, better here than on SU I guess. We tend to frown on dd-wrt though ;)
 
Kev
appreciated :)
 
But cos its not actually about dd-wrt, I guess it can fly :)
 
And a network-wide DHCP server with a private /16 for the wireless clients might go a long ways towards fixing his issues.
 
Yeah, send it over. The answers will be "get better hardware or a very large broadcast domain", but it fits.
 
Kev
i did leave him a comment saying I would check here....some folk never listen >_<
 
3:25 AM
SU? Have mercy, shoulda just killed it instead. :(
 
@HopelessN00b He re-posted, it wasn't migrated
 
Kev
lol...you might see it yet :)
 
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Naughty SE user! But at least he brought it on himself. :D
 
3:37 AM
Alright, screw this. I don't get paid enough to deal with printer management software that was probably created by 1000 drunk monkeys typing at 1000 broken keyboards. Off to bed for me, and back to the desktop queue for that crap.
 
4:14 AM
 
 
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6:24 AM
G'day
 
@Iain Well whadda ya know, it's home time again
Cya
 
@MarkHenderson one of there days I'll get up early or not drop in here till late ...
 
 
1 hour later…
7:36 AM
Morning all :)
 
8:22 AM
hi
 
8:33 AM
A university researcher friend of mine has to archive data related to published papers for 7 years is tape still the best way to do this ?
 
Yeah, why not.. tapes are cheap and last long (when properly stored)
 
Tapes are durable
We have found, that in some cases, it's cheaper to keep in on a disk, but the retention isn't as good.
 
cheers
 
9:09 AM
I hate is when this is the response I get from a script
'powershell' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
 
Dan
10:09 AM
@ewwhite Mr MDMara is spot on, we regularly (Sadly) roll out 32 bit terminal server boxes with ~32Gb+ of RAM to provide legacy applications. These are generally 2008 boxes, though. 64 bit is always preferred of course, but some people insist on 32 bit only
 
but.... @Dan would that not mean it just never uses the full 32GB RAM?
 
Dan
@ColdT Read Marks explanation just below :) It's not as a good as 64bit but all the memory can be consumed in some sense
 
Dan
10:40 AM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/31/anonymous_french_firm_trademark/

Haha, I can't tell if that's a stupid thing to do or an hilarious thing for a firm to do
As I think I Anonymous are, for the most part, cunts, I'm going to have to side with the firm and conclude "hilarious"
(They will suffer, though)
 
10:51 AM
lol i saw this yesterday, can't believe someone wanted to tm it!
 
A salesman has just said on a call that he finds me "very challenging to work with", "combative" and "the most verbally aggressive person (he's) met" :)
 
I told you, you gotta stop calling people "you fackin' wanker" on the phone
 
@pauska: Would saying "I'm very sorry you're a fackin wanker" be acceptable?
 
Dan
@Chopper3 Excellent work!
 
This was a salesman who sent our support-contract-renewal team a renewal quote that downgrades the actual licence - so the existing licence was for 10Gbps, if they'd just renewed it we'd be on 2Gbps and would have to pay something like $50k/port to get us back to 10Gbps - I called him the "thieving, self-serving and slimy cunt"
I was just glad our team checked with me first
 
Dan
11:08 AM
That's a bit cheeky
Anyone know how to get Windows7 to make available a drive letter in disk management. It thinks D: is still in use and I want to make the new disk d:.
Rebooted etc
 
@Dan if reboot didnt work, check disk management - something might be holding on to it still
 
Dan
I'm in Disk management, nothing there
Oh, oops
Fixed :D
 
'ello. Two questions that might come your way. Want?
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Q: DNS name not resolved

Acty SystemWe have a server machine with IP address = 192.168.90.6. On this machine we have installed DNS and Domain Controller and DNS is integrated with AD (ad.corp.com). Case 1: When machine joins with ad.corp.com, then there is no issue. Case 2: When machine doesn't join with ad.corp.com, then problem ...

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Q: How to add a new 2008 R2 server and promote it to the domain controller and demote an existing 2003?

packetsWhat's the best way (i.e., order, process) to add a new 2008 R2 server, promote it to the domain controller, and demote an existing 2003 server DC?

 
@slhck I can't comment on the 1st but the second just deserves to be downvoted into oblivion, as per the tooltip for a DV - This question shows no research effort ...
 
welcome to thermal cut off wednesday! where the server room air conditioner dies for the 2nd time in 1 month
and actually, it died on a wednesday last time. weird.
 
11:21 AM
@Iain Told them to spend a little more time and ask on SF proper once they did some research.
 
Dan
@lsiunsuex Went to a site a couple of Mondays ago where the AirCon had been switched off on the Friday and forgotten about. It was like a fucking oven - took until lunch to reach acceptable levels.
 
its about 86f in there right now
we keep it around 67 - 68
 
Dan
@Iain Laziness really irritates me. If it simply had a paragraph that said "From what I can gather, I think I need to do [x, y, z] - is this correct, or are there other major hurdles I need to be aware of" it wouldn't be so bad.
@lsiunsuex I'll have to Google that to real money
@lsiunsuex Yep, that's pretty toasty!
 
11:38 AM
which causes me to reminise the days of my core duo macbook pro - which had a thermal cutoff of 240 f
i know this, cause rendering video (yet another hat i wear) in after effects put so much load on the processor (laptop around 5 years old) it just shuts off when it gets to hot
 
Thermal cutoff of 240 degrees?

A computer *and* a potential coffee maker.
 
12:26 PM
I'm trying out outlook.com, whoever was their designer, he seemed capable of just picking every shitty color possible for the template
 
MS's design department is an equal-opportunities employer - they consciously go out of their way to high deaf, blind and colour-blind staff for those jobs
 
it's really ugle, I mean it reminds me of a 90's website, very intense colors, heavy blue, heavy black
 
'sup dildoes
 
12:42 PM
outlook.com actually is not horrible
was sort of surprised
 
@MDMarra sup buttcrusher
@Mike It's ok-ish, but I expected more of it, more of an outlook feel... and I still stay with the fact that the colors are shit
 
wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/private_cloud i think i'm missing something here - wasn't rackspace always running openstack ?
whats changed? that openstack can run on my own servers now and not just rackspace?
 
@lsiunsuex I doubt it, openstack isn't all that mature
 
maybe thats why rackspace's offering is nothing compared to AWS ? cause they were rolling their own ?
really like 3 services, load balancer, server and they just added mysql db - aws has > 20 different types of servers you can run
 
1:14 PM
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Q: HP DL380 G4 - Cannot install Server 2008 R2 64bit - not compatible

Jake ElsleyI recently purchased some software which will only run on the 64bit version of Windows, so I need to do a clean install of the 64bit version of Server 2008. When I ran the Intel Process Utility it told me that my processor was 64bit capable, but when I boot in WinPE (no DVD drive you see) and run...

 
@ewwhite @lsiunsuex Hay guys, remember last night about the hosting company and ewwhite asked that I should review the SLA... After getting to the bottom of everything. There shared hosting servers carry NO SLA at all. Took me a bit of time to get an official email from them.
So.. NO SLA. 3 days off line and you cannot do anything... Too many cowboys...
 
@Arthor Yes, you can do something... Move your hosting elsewhere. Money talks.
 
how much hosting do you need ?
space, email, power, etc... ?
 
@jscott Well that is an action that goes without saying.
@lsiunsuex 5 Sites, 10 GB disk space, power (for about 10000 users (php/mysql). I have separate servers for video hosting.
 
will you be processing credit cards ?
 
1:25 PM
But a European Server (UK, Spain, Germany)
@lsiunsuex No, done by 3rd party (Paypal/worldpay etc)
 
paypal as in your dumping to their site and the user pays at paypal's site or paypal direct merchant and your using paypal's API's to process CC's on your site?
big difference...
 
At the moment redirect to paypal's site. After hitting our 3rd business objective we will bring everything onto our server via the API not to weaken the user experience.
 
1and1 does hosting in the UK - order.1and1.co.uk/… for their cloud servers
rackspace servers are in texas i think and aws are in virginia so their not gonna help u :)
 
I have a few servers with them regarding streaming server... Seems might be the best route to go...
 
HP just announced a 100% SSD version of their 3Par SAN arrays - spendy even by my standards
 
1:30 PM
1and1 is crap, never had good experience with those guys
 
The have rack space in London as well? Under TELESHOUSE
 
@ColdT Me either
 
funny, never had a bad experience with 1and1 - been with them for years
 
@Chopper3 scary
 
everyone has racks in telehouse east, west, north
 
1:31 PM
ME!!!
@ColdT I've got TFM 51, 71 and 72
 
@lsiunsuex which i could say the same, but their tech team are more then just awful!
 
well it cannot be as bad as Prime Hosting. No SLA on shared hosting, been offline for 1 day now.
 
@ColdT and CFM01 at Telehouse Metro
 
for businesses, always get SLA on anything
not worth the headache otherwise
 
@ColdT I agree... But 1 day offline and last year was 3 days...
 
1:33 PM
@Arthor for some people, even 1 hour is a lot of money
 
On their site they are a bit ambiguous with the. 99.9 up time...
@ColdT Of course. I agree totally.
 
@Arthor well the 3 nines should equate to 8.76 hours... so unless its under their t&c... not much anyone can do
unless of course you were in the states, in which case, you sue the crap outta them
 
@ColdT You can do that in the UK. One of my lawyers is in the inside loop for getting things does, so he is look at it now. Either way. I have an official email from Primehosting saying. NO SLA on shared hosting, live with it!!!! So enough said...
Might try 1and1. Is go daddy back up to par?
 
19 hours ago, by lsiunsuex
godaddy is the devil
 
I'm afraid I don't have an external USB DVD drive. Unfortunately I do not have the budget to upgrade the hardware. — Jake Elsley 14 mins ago
 
1:39 PM
@ewwhite Yea... if you can't buy a $50 DVD drive you've got serious problems
 
@ChrisS Well, you cannot get clearer than that...
 
I haven't run PHP on their servers before but I know it has been done... discountasp.net
 
agreed, godaddy is evil!
network solutions I've heard good things about
 
19 hours ago, by lsiunsuex
@Zach shit service, poor company morals (they backed some shit government law that never got passed) - caught multiple times on shady domain registration practices
19 hours ago, by Chris S
@Zach Customer Service, Upselling, SOPA/PIPA, and the list goes on
 
@ColdT They're ok, support is about on par with 1&1
@ChrisS Do you keep a running list of GoDaddy hate text?
 
1:42 PM
@BrentPabst wow really? never knew that
 
@ColdT NetSol doesn't exist anymore, they got gobbled up by the Verisign beast.
@BrentPabst No, that was just yesterday we were talking about GoDaddy and the many reasons to stay the f- away from them.
 
Right... still a seperate brand but eaten by the devil
 
almost threw up in my mouth. didnt see a symantec logo on NetSol's website
 
@ChrisS I know, I remember... but I also recall much older messages about the same... its all good. I don't like dead Elephants either
 
verisign is now on my shit list cause symantec owns them
 
1:44 PM
Okay, what is NOT eaten by the devil...
 
rackspace and aws :)
 
@Arthor Rainbox colored unicorns
 
namecheap.com 1and1.com name.com rackspace.com amazon and likely others
 
5 sites and 10k users you'll probably want a cloud server
 
@BrentPabst Do they have a good SLA...
 
1:45 PM
Hell even Azure runs Linux instances and has always done PHP
 
but you could probably get away with a shared host
 
Take it to The Cloud™
 
@Arthor Yes, they come bounding and flying in on magical rainbows to offer assistance
@ChrisS I feel like "the cloud" has been trademarked by every big damn corporation in the world... no one even knows what it means anymore
 
@BrentPabst It never meant anything in the first place
 
@ChrisS True... I guess "To the Grid" doesn't make any sense
 
1:47 PM
@BrentPabst Great. The full colour of the rainbow. Red and yellow, pink and green orange and purple and blue. I can see a rainbow. Sign me up...
 
I normally hate Ellison, but he's 100% correct there.
 
Yea, hes a prick
 
@BrentPabst Your server is In The Martrix™. Unfortunately nobody can be told what The Cloud looks like, you have to see it for yourself.
 
Ohh... what color pill do I have to take?
@ChrisS BTW... that video is funny considering Oracle's "cloud" system: oracle.com/us/products/middleware/exalogic/overview/index.html
 
@BrentPabst It's just like he says in the video, if people want to buy Cloud then we'll sell them Cloud.
 
1:50 PM
You always sell what people want to hear... even if thats not truly what it is... that's called sales and marketing.
 
ding ding ding - We have a winner. Unfortunately your prize has been eaten by a grue.
 
Oh I am not in the mood to do anything today
Well, scratch that, I am in the mood to take a nap on that couch down the hall
 
@BrentPabst Yea. I am in the same boat.... lots of meetings... Pain in the ass.
Well time to see if I can go through a meeting, keep my eyes open and sleep. Well Gents, see you later and have a great day, mid day or evening where ever you are.
 
wonder if the wife would want to goto the ultimate lesbian party in vegas - shes a supporter of equal rights
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Are Drobo questions appropriate for SF? serverfault.com/q/413286/1435
 
2:04 PM
@Chopper3 I'd let it stand since he appears to be using it for some sort of backup paired with rsync... I've had to deal with that in the past.
 
They only make one 'pro' product - but ok
 
It's up there with having an external HDD attached to a server and moving backup files or databases automatically as part of an overall backup... I would think
 
@Chopper3 Unfortunately, there are professional sysadmins that have to deal with situations like that
 
Poor sysadmins....
 
No... poor company with no money ;)
 
2:11 PM
that's what I meant really
 
poor sysadmins that choose to work for those poor companies :)
 
Ha ha... hey a job is a job
And many times poor companies become rich companies, but with stock options ;)
 
Ah, well there's a difference between prospecting at a startup that could blow up, and working at an established below-average resourced place
 
Very true
 
@ColdT Same, never has any issues with 1and1.
 
2:14 PM
@BrentPabst For example: I worked at a medium sized university that had about 3% of the operating budget assigned to IT. Average for that sized university is between 5-9%. I knew they were relatively "poor" but I got a free education while I was there, then I bolted.
 
Spotted this as part of The Summer Of Love (TM):
 
@BrentPabst I know quite a few sales guys who've done well out of stock options but I know maybe two techies that've done well going that way
 
Joel Spolsky on July 31, 2012

You can’t fix what you can’t measure, so the first thing we did as a part of our Summer of Love campaign was try to measure friendliness in an objective and repeatable way. We gathered 7000 comments from Stack Overflow and submitted them to Mechanical Turk. For each comment, we asked 20 people to rate the comment as Friendly, Unfriendly, or “Neutral/Unclear.”

There are different ways of massaging the data, but I do want to give you a flavor for the kind of comments we’re talking about when we’re talking about unfriendly comments. Here is a snapshot of the com …

 
I didn't have any illusions that I'd be paid anywhere near market
 
@tombull89 it was on here last night
 
2:15 PM
@Chopper3 ah, sorry - I've only just picked it up.
 
k
 
@Chopper3 Eh... its about being with the right startup
@MDMarra Hell I love the salary surveys that come out every year... I don't know where in the hell they get those numbers from.
 
link?
I've seen some that have been pretty much on
Others, not so much
 
I'm always appalled by the averages - how these companies don't value the people that keep their ship sailing the same as the sales/marketing guys I don't know
 
@tombull89 It's worth reposting every couple hours, at least for a while. ;]
 
2:18 PM
haha
 
@Chopper3 Ya, but you make a fuckloadshitton and get "side" work building datacenters for apple because you sold your soul to the devil in 1989.
Some of us aren't so fortunate :p
 
@BrentPabst Most of the surveys I've seen seem pretty accurate. Do remember that most of the people around here are younger and most businesses value experience (right or wrong, especially in the rapidly changing world of IT).
 
That's true, and it was 1990 actually - but I've never build a data centre for Apple, I've done virtualisation and VoD consultancy for them but data centres I've built for many others, just not them
 
Ask Chopper how many digits are in his annual salary... He drags the averages up.
 
Replaced the stock cooler on my desktop with a better one - such a difference. Previously 56 under load [gaming] and got up to 44 earlier. Not bad for £15.
 
2:20 PM
digits? the same as lot of people on here I imagine, not into 7 yet that's for certain - edit - not through consultancy
@tombull89 cool, literally
 
@Chopper3 I think most people here are still well down in the 5 digit range.
 
Don't talk about money or I'll start crying into my keyboard.
 
not everyone
 
There was one survey I saw a while ago that was pretty comprehensive, had something like 100 job titles + descriptions + a multiplier that adjusts based on geographic location
 
i'm upper 5 - id like to be a bit higher for my age
 
2:22 PM
@Chopper3 Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - it fits ALL the sockets.
 
very nice, just got an i7-3770 for my alienware box, needs popping in in fact, maybe tonight
 
so many people hate sharing how much they make - even amongst my friends. i think its dumb - its nice to gauge what people make around your age level doing what
 
@ChrisS Trust me age works both ways my friend. Trying finding a tech job once you hit 50 or higher.
 
@tombull89 shit that's huge, like a hairdrier!
@BrentPabst exactly - I've no intention of sticking around at this level much past low-50's
 
@BrentPabst Oh I know... Though there are businesses that actually look for people with many years experience. Not entirely sure why.
 
2:25 PM
@ChrisS My dad worked for IBM for 26 years... he left to do some other stuff until he was laid off... took 2 years to find another job
 
HP are quite good for that
 
Your father is in IT too? I don't know very many people that "pass" IT to their children. Not entirely sure why, just vague empirical evidence.
 
@ChrisS My mother was a field engineer for DEC
That's where I got my inner techie from
 
@MDMarra Well that explains a lot
 
There were always bits of equipment around the house when I was little
Luckily for her, I ruined her career (and her birth canal) in 1985 before DEC fell apart
 
2:27 PM
@ChrisS He was an EVP for IBM's GIS division before they killed it... yes some tech from him, more of his business knowledge
 
@BrentPabst You're a programmer anyway. You don't count. =P
 
@ChrisS No... thats my current job... last one I was a Systems Architect... i do both
Easier to get a job when you can program and manager server farms, let alone design the relationship between both of them.
 
@BrentPabst Ah, didn't realize you "swung both ways"
 
@BrentPabst Even worse, a DevOp.
 
ha ha
@MDMarra sounds dirty... I was talking about rainbow unicorns earlier
Anyway, I started in hardware, systems engineer, then did some dev work, then came back to systems... its all good either way
Now I'm just trying to pay the school bills off... I'm sure @MDMarra understands that
 
2:33 PM
Anyone ever see rack pdus with more than 20ish sockets?
 
@KyleBrandt Vertical or horizontal?
 
Vertical
Maybe it needs to be 3 phase to have more outlets?
 
@KyleBrandt Possibly. I know in our data center we have vertical PDUs with about 35 sockets... almost one per U
Couldn't tell you if it was phase 3 or not though
Def. APC strips
 
@BrentPabst Nope
I worked at a school so that I wouldn't have that problem :)
 
it's only a guess, but that'd almost have to be 3-phase, otherwise at 13A you're limited to about 350mA per socket on average. lots of things in racks draw more than that.
 
2:37 PM
@KyleBrandt I've seen APC PDUs with > 20, but it was in a 3 phase shop
 
@MDMarra Damn that sucks... for me
 
Not sure if that's a requirement or not, just anecdotal
 
@MadHatter Where does "13A" come from?
 
Limit on a non-specialised electrical socket feed in the UK, and therefore probably the EU. With super-meaty plugs you can get 16A, but connections that will supply more than that are quite rare. In my limited teeny experience.
For persons in 110V areas, the power issue over >20 sockets is going to be even worse.
 
So outlets have to be balanced in terms of max? So you end up with Input.Current / Num.Of.Sockets = Max.Amperage.Per.Outlet ?
 
2:41 PM
not balanced afaik, just you mustn't take more out than you're putting in. all PDUs have got to connect to something on the other end, and if that can only supply 13A at 240V, you can't take out more than about 3.5kW across all the outlets added together, or you'll blow a fuse.
 
Oh, I have 208v/30A
 
ooooh, manly power! then i withdraw my comment.
 
So, I want more than 20
But Can't seem to find a PDU that fits that
 
Can you not get an electrician to wire several shorter PDUs in parallel to one 30A plug?
I've worked with electricians to do custom work like that in the past, for data-centre use.
 
The colo would probably take a little issue with that ;-)
 
2:43 PM
That's why I used a registered electrician. They would have taken issue if I'd done it (though I was quite happy to), but as long as I could show that the work had been done by a registered specialist, they were OK with it.
It cost me £150 for a single custom plugboard, but it was worth it given the monthly charge for a second power supply to that rack.
 
@MadHatter Depends on the colo here in the states... they explicitly disallow it to help cover them with insurance claims if something were to happen.
 
Don't really know how much current servers will draw at 208, currently they are all operating at 120
 
You have a single 208v/30A plug available? What NEMA plug is it? Or IEC? What do you need to run it to (like standard C13 plugs? what qty?)
 
OK, fair enough.
At 208V, bte, they'll draw 208/120 of the current they drew at 120V.
 
@KyleBrandt You can pretty much just multiply their current draw by .57 and get an accurate number. The servers will be ever so slightly more efficient on the higher voltage.
@MadHatter Other way around. 120/208
 
2:46 PM
@ChrisS There will be 2x 208v/30A per rack (A/B power). Some servers will be redundant, other won't. But with that much power and 45U racks I think 20-24 outlets will be a limiting factor
 
@ChrisS Oh dear, I do need more tea. Thanks, sorry!
 
Current servers PUN INTENDED pull about 140W per U
So I think something like 30-35 C13 would be ideal
 
@KyleBrandt Yeah, you'll have to have multiple PDUs. You can just run a wye to split the power to multiple PDUs.
You're running 1U servers or something similar?
 
1 or 2U
 
Do you know what brand the racks are?
 
2:48 PM
Haven't picked them yet
 
Ah; you'll probably want to get PDUs that match the rack, much easier to install (eg APC PDUs are a b- to install in Liebert racks)
 
Not to mention a better overall deal when making a combined purchase
 
Oh, Kyle, that reminds me why I wandered in. Could I ask you to consider something with your mod-ly powers?
 
Sure
 
@KyleBrandt There's a closed question with a hilarious put-down by Chopper3 at serverfault.com/questions/412816/… . But the OP may not realise the putdown's a film quote, and I thought it might be nice to clarify that in case the poor chap never ever comes back to SF again. I'd've done it myself but I can't comment on a closed question.
 
2:53 PM
Comment deleted
 
@KyleBrandt Oh, OK, I guess that's another way of dealing with it. You may wish to consider deleting the follow-up comment as well, which now makes no sense whatsoever. Thanks for handling it, anyway.
 
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A: How to configure multiple scopes for DHCP

MDMarra Create a separate subnet for wireless on your router/L3 switch and set up the necessary routes to/from it. Don't use the wireless router as a router, use in L2 bridged mode. This will make it into an AP. You don't want to route with that device, let your core L3 switch/router do the routing. Pu...

I type out a pretty easy to follow answer for this fellow
and this is the comment that I get
What do you mean by "create a separate subnet". Does that give it a different subnet mask? — Micah 4 mins ago
^ Dude is reaaaaaally lucky that it's the summer of love.
Otherwise I would have torn him two new ones.
 
Universal love will be enforced with violence if necessary
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Ha ha ha... im not down with this summer of love thing... I don't think our comments are nearly as bad as the ones on SO
 
@KyleBrandt violence is always necessary
 
2:55 PM
ok maybe some are... like @Chopper3's last one ;)
 
my last one? what was that?
 
I like how I say "Try X" here and then the OP asks "Hmm, can you do X?": serverfault.com/a/412979/2101
 
@Chopper3 The Billy Madison one
I think
 
@Chopper3 Sorry, old chap, I just caused an elegant put-down of yours to get deleted by wandering in with my mouth open. It was, as MDM just said, the Billy Madison one.
 
@MDMarra ah - yeah, that happened
 
2:58 PM
I laughed. Out loud. To myself.
@Zypher Pete hasn't been in chat lately, but tell him that the swag was delivered and appreciated!
 
@MadHatter I'll live, there's plenty more in that particular well
 
I laughed in general at the question and the comment.... Mastering Network Administration on RHEL???
Thats up there with can I haz teh codez
 
@MDMarra Me too, though I'm nota huge Sandler fan so I had to google to find out that it was a quote. Up until that point I'd thought it was just an exquisite put-down.
 

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