TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Paulo Cereda

12:09 AM

cadenza ad libitum :)

user19161

4:37 AM

I announce that I have the outspoken badge in this chat. Yay!

Jake

4:55 AM

@PauloCereda: On the reputation league page, the three tags displayed under your name are document-classes, document-configuration, and fun =)

Kannappan Sampath

5:05 AM

I get an error: "`\cs` already defined" when I run it under the memoir package. But that is not the case when I do with amsart. Does someone know why?

It further asks me to see Pg. 192 of some manual. I don't know which.

Peter Grill

6:14 AM

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle: I figured out a solution. I can output \jobname.exe with either the cp \jobname.pdf ../publish/. (if enabled), or a rm ../publish/\jobname.pdf (if disabled), and use pdflatex file.tex; source file.exe

And after figuring this out, I am still debating if this is a good idea.

@KannappanSampath Seems like a good question to me.. If you are having this issue, others probably will to.

Kannappan Sampath

@PeterGrill So, do I post a question the site with a MWE?

Peter Grill

6:39 AM

@KannappanSampath yes, that was what I was suggesting.

Kannappan Sampath

@PeterGrill Will do. Thank you.

Kannappan Sampath

7:39 AM

Hi @egreg. Thanks for your answer.

I have one more doubt.

egreg

@KannappanSampath You're welcome! What doubt?

Kannappan Sampath

Lockstep in his answer illustrates the use of \cs. Where is it practically helpful? @egreg

egreg

@KannappanSampath I suppose it's very useful in producing the manual of memoir. It's not a command I'd inflict to any user, if it were my class. Feel free to redefine it.

Kannappan Sampath

@egreg Oh, OK. So, I'd be good even without it. One reason, why I can \renew command. Thank you @egreg.

egreg

@KannappanSampath Always be careful when \newcommand tells you that the command is already defined. You risk to get very weird error messages or no output at all. If you find the command in no manual you have available, don't redefine it.

\documentclass{article}
\renewcommand{\fi}{xyz}
\begin{document}
\fi
\end{document}

Try the above code and you'll see. :) The error message is very puzzling, isn't it?

Kannappan Sampath

7:49 AM

@egreg Yeah. Some very large numbers!

And, Fatal error. No output produced.

egreg

@KannappanSampath Yes: the error is Missing \begin{document} and it's issued when LaTeX is reading \begin{document}! :)

Kannappan Sampath

True. This is crazy.

BTW, may I ask you what is the manual referred to in the error message in my question?

egreg

@KannappanSampath You should know that \fi is a fundamental primitive of TeX. The "p. 192" refers to the LaTeX manual.

"LaTeX, a document preparation system", by Leslie Lamport.

Kannappan Sampath

Oh, I see. Thank you.

Joseph Wright

8:22 AM

I was wondering if we should remove meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/2111, as it now shows up automatically in the Community Bulletin Board (provided I set up the event correctly!)

egreg

8:37 AM

@JosephWright See my previous comment in chat to Kannappan: "It's not a command I'd inflict to any user, if it were my class." Such features should go in an additional package: how many LaTeX documents need to print control sequence names?

percusse

@PauloCereda I have to post this well-known fact for your duck

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Joseph Wright

@egreg One of the things Frank has mentioned is the need to come up with a set of 'common features' for what I guess would be a 'class of document classes'. For example, all 'article-like' document classes should define certain commands, and (by implication) no additional ones. I guess here one could argue that the 'class of code documentation classes' should always include \cs :-)

egreg

8:52 AM

@JosephWright \cs, \marg, \oarg are clearly useful for TeXnical documentation, but IMO, shouldn't be defined by default. They don't represent common typographic tasks: we might be biased about this, as we very often write documentation.

Joseph Wright

Excellent answer on the very common BibTeX issues:

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Q: Question mark instead of citation number

I've browsed the forums and found a number of posts that have addressed this issue, but none of the solutions seem to work for me. I have the following script that I just copied from the bibtex home page to get familiar with it. Instead of the citation number I get a question mark. I compile usin...

Kannappan Sampath

BTW, my laziness is what makes me define \cs for \Sigma, the capital sigma. May be, I am just being insane.

egreg

@JosephWright Indeed!

@KannappanSampath Stick to a coherent scheme or your documents will be full of commands that make you scratch your head asking yourself: "what the **** is this command supposed to do?"

This syndrome shows its effect mostly when you open a document some months after having typed it.

Kannappan Sampath

9:08 AM

@egreg I'll exercise caution.

I haven't yet had to face this situation, but I sort of see it.

Joseph Wright

@egreg As I said, these commands should be defined in any class for 'code documentation', but not necessarily for other document classes. The problem with LaTeX2e is that there is no clear guidance on what should and should not be defined by a class: Frank tends to point to the fact that the AMS classes add a lot of material to the standard ones so there is no simple relationship. The idea he's keen on is that classes of the same 'type' are different only in the design, not the commands.

That then leads to the idea as I said of for example a 'class of code documentation classes', which would all define \cs

Kannappan Sampath

I smell categories.

egreg

@JosephWright I wouldn't take the AMS classes as models: maybe a model for "class of math typesetting classes".

Joseph Wright

@egreg What 'classes of classes' are required is not currently clear :-) For example, you could argue that 'additional math functionality' should never be part of the class, only done as a package

@egreg The way Frank described it he was thinking that 'classes for academic articles' would be what article would be the prototype

egreg

@JosephWright It's not easy to decide what's a basic functionality. I'd say that displaymath and equation aren't, for instance. But Leslie is a mathematician, so he needed them. :)

Joseph Wright

9:17 AM

@egreg Yes, I see that entirely: I suspect someone like @AlanMunn doesn't need much displaymath :-)

egreg

@JosephWright On the other hand, having them in the kernel saves time. Or it did in the olden days. Now it's not so important: the delay caused by reading a module is not a big overhead.

Joseph Wright

@egreg True

egreg

@JosephWright The problem is: should math be a documentclass option or a package?

Joseph Wright

@egreg I guess the argument in favour of including something like displaymath in the kernel (quite apart from the fact LaTeX2e already does) is that there is little chance of a name clash, and math typesetting is common for a lot of users.

@egreg Something like \cs is different not only because of the relative rarity of use but also because it's risky for a name clash. I'd make a similar argument for something like siunitx-like functionality for LaTeX3 (I want \num, \qty and either \unt or \unit)

egreg

9:34 AM

@JosephWright All short command names are a potential source for name clash.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yup

It's not easy deciding what belongs where, but the idea is to at least try for a more systematic approach. Anyway, first I want to tackle boxes :-)

@egreg Yesterday you asked me about keyval for boxes. The 'obvious' places to do this is to allow replacement of two optional arguments by a single keyval one (as already done by graphicx for \includegraphics). Was that what you meant?

egreg

@JosephWright Yes: \makebox[width=3cm,alignment=c]{text}. Probably not so important for \makebox, but it definitely is for the always mysterious optional arguments to \parbox and minipage. What about a "generic" \buildbox command that allows to specify the width, the inner alignment, the presence of a frame, the colors and whatnot?

Joseph Wright

@egreg More or less mdframed :-)

egreg

@JosephWright A simplified version, of course. With such a generic "hbox" builder it would be easy to implement the standard commands.

Joseph Wright

@egreg First I need to sort out the basic functionality. Getting everything right is tricky, and there is also the open question about whether minipage and \parbox constitute galley levels, and is so how to initialise them 'logically'.

@egreg I'm working through issues one at a time!

egreg

9:48 AM

@JosephWright hboxes and vboxes are different beasts.

Joseph Wright

10:13 AM

@egreg Yes, I know. The question here is more for xgalley, actually, as it's not clear what should happen at the start of a galley level (how do we define 'start of galley level reset')

Christian

10:34 AM

Sorry, this is probably totally off topic but I'm going to go mad here ... why oh why are sociology papers so damn ugly? Us computer scientists, we are the nerds, we shouldn't care about typography and beauty of form. What is it with the social guys and their double spacing and underlined section titles and bold italics and what not?

egreg

@Christian Word? :( You have all my solidarity.

Christian

Random example: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.84.8350&rep=rep1&type=pdf AAAAAH!
And this is an influental sociology (self-proclaimed) "style" guide that actually dares to refer to the Chicago Manual of Style: http://www.buffalostate.edu/library/docs/asa.pdf

@egreg Yes, probably they're using Word but still ... these atrocities are totally unnecessary even in Word.

Joseph Wright

@Christian But that's specifically a guide to preparing manuscripts, which presumably are then typeset by professionals

egreg

@Christian Has that paper been published in that form?

Christian

@JosephWright good point but somehow the papers that end up in front of my bleeding eyeballs are always still double-spaced and decorated with loads of other unpleasant surprises.

@egreg Yes, it definitely seems so: temple.edu/ispr/prev_conferences/proceedings/2002/… is the link Citeseer gives me and it has "proceedings" and "Final papers" in it.

At least the line spacing is almost a must in sociology it seems ... and yes, I know the argument that this is room for annotations. But to annotate something you have to be able to read it first, don't you?

egreg

10:47 AM

@Christian I mostly "like" the page number appended just somewhere; very nice also the spacing before the start of section 3: the big hole before the itemized list and no space between it and the section title.

@Christian Of course: that thing is absolutely unreadable.

There no consistency whatsoever in spacing.

Christian

Nope. The single-spaced blocks of text that would be list environments in LaTeX ... precious.

Oh well, I think I'll go and get some lunch ... maybe I regain some strength that way.

Thanks a lot for your sympathy :)

Paulo Cereda

@Jake I woke up and found 145 rep. :)

@percusse Subliminal messages FTW! :)

@JosephWright I can remove it. :) If we feel the need of the ad again, we undelete it. :)

user19161

11:12 AM

@PauloCereda Congrats!

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy Thanks. :) I got a bounty for a dot2texi answer. :)

N3buchadnezzar

Bark Bark

Paulo Cereda

Friends, what do we do with this "answer"?

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A: A problem with thmtools and cleveref

The first presented bugfix works for me. I have written to Toby Cubitt, the maintainer of the cleveref package. He agrees, that it is a bug, claims it,however, to be a bug in the thmtools package, which is why I reported the issue to Ulrich M. Schwarz, the maintainer of thmtools, providing the l...

I think it would be nice to merge it to the original question as an addendum.

egreg

@PauloCereda Rep cap now. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Already?! 8:21AM here! :D

I still have votes!

egreg

11:22 AM

@PauloCereda It was directed to you! Starting from 130 it's easy to reach it. Provided you write a couple of answers, of course. :)

@PauloCereda Well, it's 11:22 UTC. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh! :) I need some easy-to-answer questions. :)

@egreg :)

I received an email from SourceForge about Allura "graduating" to the Apache Incubation. Allura is the system SourceForge uses to manage the software infrastructure (it's opensource). The project is now part of Apache (currently in Incubation). I was wondering what would happen if the whole CTAN migrates to a forge infrastructure.

Andrew Stacey

11:40 AM

@StephanLehmke Wow! That actually posted. I tried posting a few things from the airplane and I couldn't tell if any of them worked. Thanks to your reply, I know that that worked. Incidentally, the intermediate value theorem guarantees that the plane was at 35.000ft at least twice in the journey but unfortunately they'd turned off the wireless at that point.

Paulo Cereda

11:51 AM

@egreg: I found a lovely song from a Brazilian singer translated to Italian: youtube.com/watch?v=98FenYdXFr8

egreg

@PauloCereda This seems like Portuguese, but it's in Genoan dialect; the clip is from a commercial, but the song had been written before: youtube.com/watch?v=mDTpp97oVBs

Andrew Stacey

Been out of the loop for a couple of weeks. What've I missed?

Stephan Lehmke

@AndrewStacey Lengthy discussion about ducks.

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Paulo Cereda

@egreg Awesome! :) Very similar to Portuguese indeed, even the rhythm sounds like samba! :) It reminds of our classic Tico-Tico no Fubá. :)

@AndrewStacey I bought a Mac. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Bruno Lauzi specifically chose a samba rythm for the song to be "Brazilian looking". But of course a Brazilian can't understand it. I too have some difficulties: Genoan is very different from other dialects. The title translates into "So, when will you buy a refrigerator?" The verses explain why a fridge is very useful.

Andrew Stacey

12:03 PM

@PauloCereda Wow! That is big news. Did you name it "Mallard"?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg In some parts of the song, I had the clear sensation the singer was singing in Portuguese! :) youtube.com/watch?v=PEZtTmVGdQw the rhythm is pretty much the same, and the orchestra is conducted by you know who. :)

@AndrewStacey LOL duck naming scheme FTW. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda :)

tohecz

12:26 PM

Anybody from Belgium or France? What is the best way to buy TGV tickets?

percusse

12:37 PM

@tohecz What's your depart arrival stations?

tohecz

@percusse Louvan-la-Neuve > Paris

percusse

I'm often using nshispeed.nl but also tgv-europe.be/fr and also b-europe.com is working too.

tohecz

@percusse thanks, I tried TGV-europe and b-europe. I just don't understand how can 1st class be 20% cheaper than 2nd class :-/

percusse

@tohecz They're just crazy, that's why. Is it a last-week-ticket ?

tohecz

no, 2 months in advance

percusse

12:44 PM

1st class of non-hispeed train is usually cheaper than a 2nd class TGV. So maybe it has some interstations.

@tohecz and it gives you a discount. Happened to me before too.

tohecz

no, it's the very same train

percusse

@tohecz Strange indeed. The only thing comes to mind is the time schedule. Is it a night or early morning train (chepaer one)?

tohecz

every other train on that day has it

percusse

I just put in random dates and got

Most of them gets the Intercity (IC) to brussels-midi as the transfer point.

tohecz

Try the same on Sep 14 afternoon

percusse

12:52 PM

tohecz

(and youth ticket just in case)

percusse

ah you mentioned afternoon just a sec

tohecz

But your image shows it too, at 8:41

percusse

but 1st class is more expensive (99 to 86)

ah ok

tohecz

one line above: 76 to 69

ok, it's not 20 %, but still

percusse

12:56 PM

@tohecz The only thing I can think of is the flexible algorithm to compute prices. I think nobody got the 1st class tickets for that yet.

tohecz

yeah, and that is really crazy

and now consider that I've spent 3 hours of my working time already on such stupid thing as booking airplanes and trains

how much that costs?

percusse

@tohecz I really find this strange I've checked the inbetween stops everything looks same and I don't understand why there are two different objects shown for the same train.

Paulo Cereda

1:23 PM

I need to think of a new naming scheme for my machines.

Paulo Cereda

1:57 PM

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How about this one? :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Toquihno's Pato!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg The very same! :)

That duck is awesome! :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Not where it ends up. On the other hand "bigoli al sugo d'anatra" are delicious.

"Bigoli" are home made spaghetti, customary of my region. The name "bigolo" is "worm" in our dialect.

"Sugo d'anatra" is "duck sauce".

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda FTW!!!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I mentioned it to my mom and she smiled. :) She said that bigoli is delicious. :)

@StephanLehmke Thanks. :) I'm putting him in a tuxedo for a possible TeXtalk interview.

N3buchadnezzar

2:35 PM

@PauloCereda He looks delicious!

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar LOL

lockstep

3:51 PM

Isn't this question off-topic?

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Q: insert label for sections in perl

I want to insert my own label for all coming sections in a tex file. For this I am using perl. Here is the code, but how can I manually insert my own counter to all of the sections? #user/perl/bin use warnings; use strict; use Win32; my ($filename,$line); # storing the file content open(INPUT...

tex-core

Joseph Wright

@lockstep Looks that way to me

lockstep

One more vote needed to close:

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Q: List of All Bibliography Styles

Is there a list of all or at least most of the bibliography styles somewhere? I mean one that you could choose by looking at the result rather than just some description.

bibliographies bibtex

Paulo Cereda

@lockstep It is. And I don't know what the OP wants.

Stephan Lehmke

Not a real question?

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Q: *format* and *macro language*

From a comment by morbusg depends on what you mean by "plain tex": if you mean "plain tex – the macro language", then yes, LaTeX does provide an interface. If you mean "plain tex – the format", then… well, LaTeX does use plain as a base for many things. I thought format and macro lang...

macros

Stephan Lehmke

4:09 PM

Never mind ;-)

Kannappan Sampath

4:43 PM

Does someone know the font used for writing Rad here?

Oh, never mind!

It's just the usual Fraktur.

Andrew Stacey

Location updated.

Kannappan Sampath

@AndrewStacey Cool! How are you doing sir?

David Carlisle

4:59 PM

@AndrewStacey brought the sun with you it seems

Kannappan Sampath

6:48 PM

@N3bu Are you available for a brief chat?

Joseph Wright

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Q: The differences between TeX engines

I am confused about what TeX and its offspring (LaTeX, pdfTeX/pdfLaTeX, e-TeX, ConTeXt, LuaTeX, etc.) are. Some, like latex, seem like add ons to TeX (maybe a change to the eyes and mouth, but not stomach). Others, like pdfTeX, seem like changes to the underlying system (i.e., a change to the st...

tex-core

I've tried to tighten up the TeX82/TeX90 business: would someone check I've got it not totally wrong

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright One of my favorite answers! :)

Kannappan Sampath

@Paulo I have a question: I have a .sty file called Preamble. I keep transporting it to every new folder where I start writing a new document. Can you please suggest me a way to place it at a place where I can access it easily irrespective of where I am writing my document?

Paulo Cereda

@KannappanSampath You can deploy it to your local tree. :) Which OS do you use? :)

Kannappan Sampath

@PauloCereda Windows, sadly.

Paulo Cereda

7:03 PM

@KannappanSampath hehe don't worry. :) Do you use TeX Live?

Kannappan Sampath

@PauloCereda MikTeX, but I can change over if it is required.

@Paulo Do I change over?

Paulo Cereda

@KannappanSampath I remember to see a similar Q in our main site, but I can't find it. :( You can add a personal "texmf" directory and put all your stuff in there, and MiKTeX will include it in the lookup path.

@KannappanSampath Oh don't worry, there's no need. But I can't find the correct resource.

Kannappan Sampath

@Paulo I'll search around too. Please let me know if you find it.

Paulo Cereda

@Kannappan: could you take a look in these resources? en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Packages/Installing_Extra_Packages and docs.miktex.org/manual/localadditions.html#id573803

The first one talks about the texmf structure, and the second one is about how to set a local tree on MiKTeX. :)

N3buchadnezzar

@KannappanSampath you could use ...\...\yourname.sty

Or upload it to CTAN

Kannappan Sampath

7:12 PM

@PauloCereda Will look there. Thanks for the pointer.

N3buchadnezzar

I use \usepackage{../../Ekz}

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar This sounds a bit too crazy. I mean, it is pretty much very primitive, it will needs years before it can become perfect.

N3buchadnezzar

This means Ekz is placed two folders above my current file.

@KannappanSampath Perfect? You could upload it with the intent of only you using it.

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar Oh, I see.

N3buchadnezzar

I have about 30 documents refering to that sty file ^^

Kannappan Sampath

7:16 PM

@N3buchadnezzar Yeah I get that. But uploading to CTAN might mean, I am putting in Junk into their server space, no?

N3buchadnezzar

10kbs ?

OH NOES SOMEBODY IS TAKING UP 10KBS OF SPACE ON OUR SERVERS AMAGAWD

@KannappanSampath You should ask Alan Munn about his he-she package.

Or google it..

Kannappan Sampath

Funny. :)

Oh my goodness. It is so funny, I don't see anyone is using it!

N3buchadnezzar

We had a discussion about it in chat a few days ago chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5373554#5373554

Alan Munn

8:14 PM

@KannappanSampath My bet is that there are people who are using it. However, it is a perfect package. There are no known bugs. :) Although I did get someone who wrote to me complaining that I should have used \shehe instead of \heshe as the command name. (Seriously.)

Kannappan Sampath

@AlanMunn Well, no offence. I was only saying that I did not see a use for it. As for the complaint, I really have nothing to say.

egreg

@AlanMunn Define \thirdpersonpronoun; then do \let\shehe\thirdpersonpronoun and \let\heshe\thirdpersonpronoun. However one has to go before the other in the code, and this is a problem.

Paulo Cereda

She-ra! She-ra!

Alan Munn

@KannappanSampath None taken. I wouldn't use it either.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I tried to convince you to use the gender neutral pronoun introduced in Futurama (shklee/shklim), but no luck. :)

Alan Munn

8:23 PM

@egreg I wasn't inclined to make such a change. Plus you need three forms (one for each case, plus the uppercase versions, so it would just get annoying.)

egreg

This reminds me that at a conference a member of the audience questioned as politically incorrect that modules (it's the name of some algebraic structure) having a certain property were called "black", while others were called "red". During a later talk, the same person asked why some modules were called "*-modules". The speaker answered: "I don't know, but I'm sure it's politically correct".

Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

egreg

@PauloCereda She was a fine mathematician; but also very interested in politics: she was a member of the British communist party. And the "red modules" had less pleasant properties than the black ones. :)

The questioner, I mean.

@AlanMunn Just add \thirdpersonpronoun and \Thirdpersonpronoun` for the picky users.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

Some people want to watch the world burn. - (The Dark Knight)

Kannappan Sampath

@egreg A mathematical urban Legend? Nice one.

@Andrew may be reminded of that MO thread.

N3buchadnezzar

8:40 PM

@PauloCereda Kiirraaaa Kiiiirraaa

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar :P

N3buchadnezzar

Know the reference?

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar Bleach?

Alan Munn

@egreg Right, but you need accusative, genitive and nominative versions of each. (That's what I meant by one for each case (in the grammatical sense).

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn you need what, what and what?

I'll shut up now. :)

N3buchadnezzar

8:46 PM

@PauloCereda No, although it is from a anime (Gundam seed mobile suit)

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar Ah! :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda No, you need whom, whose and who. :)

N3buchadnezzar

The protagonist there is named Kira, and he cries like a little girl.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Oh no! :)

N3buchadnezzar

@AlanMunn Only need I, me and myself.

Alan Munn

8:48 PM

@N3buchadnezzar Selfish bastard.

egreg

@AlanMunn A picky user will gladly accept the politically correct macros \thirdpersonpronounnominative, \thirdpersonpronoungenitive and \thirdpersonpronounaccusative

Alan Munn

@egreg Then we need to rename the package self-flagellation.

David Carlisle

@egreg and for the rest of us, we could have a macro that randomly picked a different case each time you needed a pronoun

egreg

@AlanMunn Isn't what people overpicky with political correctness do every hour of their life?

Kannappan Sampath

How does one contribute to TeXamples.net?

Alan Munn

8:53 PM

@egreg Indeed. See eastcree.org/mojunker/metaphors for a live example. This was actually published as a commentary in a very respectable linguistics journal.

egreg

@AlanMunn Does it make some sense?

Alan Munn

@egreg No it's absolute nonsense.

Stefan Kottwitz

@KannappanSampath send me an email with the example :-) the address is at the contact page texample.net/contact

Paulo Cereda

Poor Chomsky. :)

N3buchadnezzar

@StefanKottwitz So the page is still mainly for images?

Kannappan Sampath

9:00 PM

@StefanKottwitz Will do it right away. (Although I am unsure of how helpful it can be, I think it is indeed a good example. I'll leave the decision to you, however.)

Stefan Kottwitz

@N3buchadnezzar The site is mainly for TikZ

@KannappanSampath Great, thanks!

@N3buchadnezzar There are some great TikZ examples on TeX.SX which I plan to add, with links to here, it's just a matter of time

Alan Munn

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Ducks at lunch today! (Not the best picture, unfortunately, but I was in line at the cash.)

N3buchadnezzar

@StefanKottwitz Just ask Herbert.

@AlanMunn Naww puppies!

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Awesome! :D

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Apparently there's some lady who wanders around town leaving them at local establishments.

Stefan Kottwitz

9:06 PM

@N3buchadnezzar I will to when the day comes that TeXample.net includes PSTricks ;-)

N3buchadnezzar

;-)

Paulo Cereda

@Stefan: no TUG2012 news? :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda It must be too interesting for the writer - I did not get an email yet.

Is already Hurricane season?

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz :)

Alan Munn

In other news, I just ordered a Mac Mini + Lion Server to manage all the backups at home.

Stefan Kottwitz

9:10 PM

I hope at least after the meeting we will get something

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Really?! That's AWESOME! :)

My first project was a Mac Mini. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

also, Leo said he would report from the upcoming BayTeX

Paulo Cereda

What is BayTeX?

Stefan Kottwitz

(he's not the one reporting from the TUG)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda I really need to back up multiple computers over wifi, and a time capsule seemed too limiting. This way I can add as much drive space as I need.

Stefan Kottwitz

9:12 PM

@PauloCereda It's a TeX meeting in Munich

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz Ah pardon my ignorance. :) I was about to yum install baytex. :)

N3buchadnezzar

BayernTeX?

Stefan Kottwitz

@N3buchadnezzar yes

N3buchadnezzar

=)

When ?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Indeed. :) I think it's a great idea. I was about to buy a wireless printer because I want to get rid of cables too. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

9:14 PM

@N3buchadnezzar July 21st

N3buchadnezzar

Heh

I might actually be in the city then

Traveling on vaction to Germany tomorow, alas it is a family trip so..

Alan Munn

Speaking of reports from TUG, I received the following e-mail from someone who was there at the time "Sometimes talks here are boring (including my talks). Maybe during the boring talks I can think about it" [it=what we were discussing]

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn You were our TeX reporter. :) I was about to give you a hat with a proper \TeX press on it. :D

Stefan Kottwitz

during is own talks ;-)

@N3buchadnezzar if you visit Hamburg, let me know

Paulo Cereda

LatAm TUG please.

N3buchadnezzar

9:18 PM

"Guys I know my talk is boring, so I will show you some powerpoint images of cute ducks instead"

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar LOOK AT DEM DUCKZ!

Alan Munn

@N3buchadnezzar Powerpoint? Beamer, please.

N3buchadnezzar

powerpoint with CS

Paulo Cereda

Powerdot please (Herbert was there!).

egreg

@StefanKottwitz When is it?

Stefan Kottwitz

9:20 PM

@egreg BayTeX? The upcoming Saturday.

N3buchadnezzar

Hopefully the name will not atract the wrong crowd.

egreg

@StefanKottwitz Too bad. I'm planning for a tour in Bayern for next week.

Alan Munn

This one I don't understand but just showed up on my FB.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Facebook?! wow

egreg

@StefanKottwitz And my scooter is out for scheduled maintenance till Saturday. :(

Stefan Kottwitz

9:25 PM

@egreg Perhaps some talks (at least one) will be held at the EuroTeX too

N3buchadnezzar

Is this real life?

Alan Munn

@N3buchadnezzar This chatroom? This message? This what? Inquiring minds want to know.

N3buchadnezzar

Is this just fantasy?

Kannappan Sampath

@StefanKottwitz Sent in! :)

Alan Munn

@N3buchadnezzar Caught in a landslide.

Paulo Cereda

9:39 PM

Mama, just ran LaTeX
Put the text inside a file
clicked "run", and it compiled
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and TeX'd it all away

Mama, oh
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back to Word and Office tomorrow
Carry on, carry on
As if nothing really matters

6

N3buchadnezzar

(Guitar solo)

2

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar LOL

N3buchadnezzar

@PauloCereda I have now switched to TexWorks

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar Really? How is it going so far? :)

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar I am alone then. I still use TeXmaker, dude.

N3buchadnezzar

9:49 PM

@PauloCereda I miss the autofilling

"Texman In New York"

I don't use CS, I take CM my dear
I like my footnotes done on one side
And you can see it in my kerning when I write
I'm an Texhman in New York

I'm an alien I'm a legal alien
I'm an Texman in New York
I'm an alien I'm a legal alien
I'm an Texman in New York

2

Bonuspoints if you can guess the song, my originality is as gone.

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar I'm trying to. Hold on. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@KannappanSampath got it!

Alan Munn

I see a little silhouetto of a duck
Does it bark, does bark does it do the fandango?
Compilation errors, control sequence terrors
David Carlisle, David Carlisle
David Carlisle, David Carlisle
David Carlisle Enrico. Gregorio.

8

Kannappan Sampath

@StefanKottwitz Oh, fantastic. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn LOL Absolutely brilliant!

N3buchadnezzar

9:53 PM

This chatroom always makes me chucke.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Any decision on date/time/person for next interview?

N3buchadnezzar

We should make a songbook

Paulo Cereda

We are so gonna record this live in a TeX.sx meeting. :)

@JosephWright Not yet. I tried to call Aditya via chat, but no luck so far. I was thinking of sending him an email.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda OK

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright If you have any plans, please help me. :P

Kannappan Sampath

9:56 PM

@StefanKottwitz Does it look good enough?

N3buchadnezzar

Paulo?

Your Duck.sty file does not compile on my system

Huh

Suddenly it did

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn fame at last. being an editor of a w3c spec is nothing compared to being mentioned in the lyrics of a song...

3

Torbjørn T.

@N3buchadnezzar TeXworks does have autocompletion of macros/environments, but it is more hidden than e.g. TeXmaker. Basically, you use the Tab key, see section 4.6 of the manual (found in the Help menu of TeXworks). There is also a script for inserting references from existing labels in a document, but it is not as easy as in TeXmaker.

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar Did you try compiling the sty file? Don't do it, just \usepackage it. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@KannappanSampath It looks very good regarding the content! Regarding TikZ, it's a matrix plus edges, so kind of standard

@KannappanSampath I'll see if it's somehow unique though or of it's good to be combined with another TikZ matrix&edges example

Alan Munn

10:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle You had the right combination of gravitas and (metrical) feet. After all, you were replacing Gallileo.

Kannappan Sampath

@StefanKottwitz Thank you for the comments. I just sent in to you in case you find it helpful. I am OK in any case. :)

Alan Munn

@N3buchadnezzar Also, did you actually insert the tikz code into the \newcommand definition?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle And several times more than me!

Stefan Kottwitz

@KannappanSampath I like it because it shows how such diagrams can be made in a straightforward way: define a matrix of nodes, state where edges are, fine diagram finished

N3buchadnezzar

@AlanMunn ?

Kannappan Sampath

10:06 PM

@StefanKottwitz Indeed. And the only reference for me was your own site. :)

David Carlisle

@egreg but would you consider bohemian rhapsody to be a song anyway given your hard line on musical acceptability?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn: I have high hopes to see a new class option: \documentclass[duck]{msu-thesis}. :)

2

N3buchadnezzar

LoonyTunes

2

Alan Munn

@N3buchadnezzar Forget it. In the code that's posted in the answer itself, the actual tikz code isn't in the package code. But I see the link that Paulo gave is to the whole style.

@DavidCarlisle But in a nod to that, he got to be the 'Figaro' replacement.

@PauloCereda It would be very funny to add that. I'd love to see the look on the thesis office minions when someone submitted their cute thesis.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: We can modify the badger song: David, David, David, David, David, David, David, David, David. keyval, keyval. David, David, David, David, David, David, David, David, David. longtable. David, David, David, David, David, David, David, David, David. Ooooh here comes TikZ! TikZ, TikZ, oooh it's TikZ. (repeat ad infinitum)

@AlanMunn LOL since the code relies on memoir, we just need to set \chapterstyle{weloveducks}. :P

N3buchadnezzar

10:11 PM

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar LOL

N3buchadnezzar

@PauloCereda Click the link to see the source code.

Quick hid the quacks!

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Pleasant entertainment. And Freddy Mercury was a genius.

@PauloCereda Put in a bug from time to time. ;-)

N3buchadnezzar

Is this a real document?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in its beauty,
No escape from reality
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a word file, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the kerning doesn't really matter to
me, to me

Paulo Cereda

11:46 PM

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