Has anyone set up a new Mac and used a Time Machine backup to transfer files? How long did it take for the Time Machine volume to appear during set up?

Yeah NM

Any rumors on new Mac Mini for 2012? I see a number of forum posts but they all ended about June. There was no announcement at the developers con. I am interested in buying a Mac mini, don't need one right now but would like to know how long I should wait to see if there will be a new model.

Know what you need, buy what you need - always works since when they release new, you've still got what you need.

When you're on the fence - wait until release. You can save on "last year" if the new isn't needed.

Actually am just starting with Mac and trying to figure out what to buy. I posted a question that got some great answers and let me to a mac mini, but I started shopping and saw some posts that some people think there will be a new one soon.

The idea is that a new mini might come with ML and include ivy bridge w/improved graphics. Just curious if that's based on rumor or just that MM seem to get refreshes every year and last was July '11.

Thanks for the info. I agree, probably best to wait.

@jrg sometimes there are allowances (example: as Apple hosted public discussion for Messages beta, so it was fine for questions to be asked and answered in public elsewhere).

@jrg if the meta question is to be generalised, it should be about unpublished Apple software in general (not operating systems in particular). I favour generalisation of a single question.

@gentmatt apple.stackexchange.com/a/56203/9495

It's accepted, so it must be right, but I'm sure she was wanting to drag to an email whilst writing, rather than from when reading one

@bmike It's the same when things drop in price the day after you bought it, i.e. my £399 amiga dropping £70 the day after... (lots of money 20+ years ago). The thing is, if you were happy when you bought it, then you should have no complaints when it is upgraded, reduced in price etc. If either of these things bother you, then you need to wait for whichever of the 2 things is most important happens, and buy after.

@stuffe Sorry for showing up in here so late, but Safari seems to never notify me...

Well, I wonder why my answer was accepted, probably because he wanted a solution to adding an attachment via drag-and-drop when Mail.app is in fullscreen mode. But he phrased the question asking a bit differently.

NP

It's odd, definitely says "when writing", suggesting a lack of pre-existing attachments which you would expect when reading.

Conceptually, in a weird kind of way, imagine the whole traditional windows/ metro thing for Windows 8.

That has the same thing, to get to explorer, you have to exit Metro

I wonder if ML will introduce fullscreen mode for finder.

And in a funny kind of way, a Lion full screen app has no traditional window infrastructure like edges, and minimise buttons etc, it is essentially the OS X equivalent of Metro.

It does;t even need to look like iOS, it's just they because they use the same internal interface features they usually do.

I don't really know Metro. Does it use many desktops as well?

I would imagine they will not for this reason. Apps will start to get single function, to an extent, hiding as much OS from the user as possible.

I've never used it, but the simple way of thinking is that metro is roughly equivalent to iOS, so largely a single task at a time screen, where the screen is the app.

From what I've read so far, people are complaining about the UI changes in Win8 just as much as people complained about Lion. Still will be interesting. Can't wait to see and try Win8 myself.

I think the full screen changes will allow you to choose which monitor they go full screen on, and still let you having other apps visible on your other screens, with perhaps multiple full screens at a time - just making it more integrated, rather than the traditional method of going full screen on your primary display, then removing access to all other screens.

I'm buying it, for $40 upgrade from XP it's a steal, and I still have 1 windows app that I cannot replace.

So far, I don't like fullscreen mode that much. I just don't see the need for it on a 15" screen as it's less functional and more space is wasted (e.g. websites in Safari have lot's of white space left over).

Also, I will likely dual boot for gaming purposes. No matter how hard they are trying, the gaming performance is just not really good enough on Mac.

Then, the window management from within of fullscreen mode is bad.

@stuffe Meh. This will change in the future.

@gentmatt Don't think like that, drop your preconceptions. You are in fullscreen now, think of it not as full screen, but as single screen solo-task.

Apple is going to provide more high end GPU options in the future - I want to believe...

There should be no window management, because you are not viewing a window!

@stuffe Ok. But I'm always multitasking. So this is not helful.

I'm loosing my visual train of thought.

When in a Full app, you shouldn't have to think about it. But you need to integrate such full apps into the world of multi-window WIMP environments, and Mission Control does that nicely.

You can drag in and out between the 2 styles using MC as a nice intermediary.

If you are using a trackpad, you can do it with a single button press, and some gestures, without having to press a key.

When working with three applications, I can directly switch between them in one click using the dock. In fullscreen mode, I need to swipe (which direction?) or wait for the dock to show up at the bottom. This is not intuitive.

It's actually pretty smart, if you can get your head round it. The reversion to expose style selectable windows instead of just selectable apps may make it simpler

Especially with retina displays we have much more screen real estate. Full screen mode just wastes space! i declare

@gentmatt swipe up and tap - done

@stuffe On the other hand, as you do not see the OS UI elements anymore, it seems like each fullscreen app is using it's own UI elements. This results in an inconsistent user interface.

Think of swipe up as an alternative to dragging your icon to the bottom and waiting - it's faster, and think of MC as an evolution of the dock that has more info, much visual clarity, and further functionality

Of course I'm exaggerating a bit with the latter statement. It depends on the app really.

@gentmatt I kind of like this, there's precious little consistency in iOS apps, and when there was it was so dull to see those pale blue stripes everywhere

@stuffe Well, one might get used to it. I don't like it, because the swiping is an additional step which has not been necessary before.

It's additional if your hand is not already on the trackpad, but if you are a dick hider like me anyway, then really it's faster, more natural, and can be accomplished in the same time as it takes my eyes to refocus from the individual portion of screen I was say typing in, and the screen as a whole for identifying and switching to something else

Lol. Did Autocorrect just replace dock with dick?

hehe, probably not, probably just my bad typing. I'm not editing it though :)

Well, I understand what you mean. I guess, I don't like change - at least not here. Time will tell how much I can enjoy fullscreen mode. Probably some apps also need to make simply more use of it - by that I mean the screen real estate.

Yeah, a lot of wasted space in FS apps right now, because people are just stretching out the windowed contents etc, not actually thinking of how to do it differently, just doing it the same but with less peripheral window furniture.

Imagine the Twitter app on iPhone and iPad - totally different. Imagine it on iOS, just the same but writ large when you go full screen. Devs need to examine what they can do, what a user may like to take advantage of, when they go full screen on Mac, and offer a different perspective, otherwise it's a bit useless

Yep. This is why I like Tweetdeck for OS X. It uses the full screen for multiple column view. This is not possible on the small iPhone screen.

I've tried the Tweetbot for Mac thing

You know, maybe I'm a simple Twitter user, without fancy lists and multiple timelines etc, but it's all just too much fuss for me. I actually really rate the boring official apps, especially the iPad app, which is a great app

If Apple had done to an app what these guys have done, the backlash would be immense.

Hi

Anyone here?

yup

Ah!

Nope, gone again.

I'm kinda stuck.

Wait, I'm back....

;)

I'm in Israel, and I decided to install the Mountain Lion GM.

Bad move, since I live on the other side of the globe.

U-huh....

My SSD hangs the EFI and isn't recognized by the recovery partition (using it via USB).

Is there a way to force the machine to try and read the disk once it's booted into recovery mode?

I'm good with the Terminal.

So, you are on what, Lion, or a previous ML DP?

I was on Lion until a few days ago.

I installed the GM, and then things started getting weird.

I first ran into boot loops

And you installed the ML GM over the top?

On top of an existing Lion install, preserving documents.

Then I got it to boot into safe mode.

Then it booted into regular mode.

Then I decided to "shut it down and reboot just to be sure".

It never shut down properly.

Macbook? 1 SSD or, optibay?

I ended up hard powering off.

1 SSD.

@stuffe 2010 Unibody plastic, replaced the HDD with an SSD.

I had a linux disk in the DVD drive at the time.

Didn't want to boot.

Today, it booted the linux distro after removing the SSD.

It won't boot into the EFI menu if the SSD is connected.

But when the SSD is not connected, the machine boots just fine.

Any mac users here willing to compile a Qt app on a Mac?

Hello all

So I suspect that ML shutdown killed the SSD.

Apple is a codename for some drug we all take to stay high.

We all use Windows 95 in here.

@stuffe Hear where I'm coming from?

@AmithKK - I'd love to, but my Mac might as well be running Windows 95 right now - it's broken.

@Moshe This is very odd

PRAM reset I think, as a first effort

How would I do that?

Wait, ok. Will try that first.

Be back in a few.

support.apple.com/kb/HT1379?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Then SMS reset

discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3604

Is that just the MacBook Air?

I'm on the last unibody plastic MacBook ever made.

Should be the same key combos on any EFI mac.

Ok, cool.

bbiab

Any joy?

I killed @moshe 's Macbook...

If you did - ill make you a bumper sticker with that printed...

@stuffe I'm really spoiled shopping from the corporate stores where they price match during the return period - no restocking - no hassles if you picked wrong and realize it in a week or two

Oh yeah, your huge chain stores are totally ripe for screwing over like that if you can get away with it.

@Moshe Do you have a USB drive with recovery HD on it? That will let you know if it's a drive issue or a volume issue

@stuffe I was referring to Apple Retail

Not really possible for big ticket items, but I like to buy local where the penalty isn't massively huge, or failing that direct from manufacturer.

It's never been worth my time to go to even the nice alternatives like MicroCenter instead of the BBUY and other's

@bmike That applies, they won't miss the difference.

I hate people though, who for example will go into a bricks and mortar book store, and take a photo of ISBNs to order from Amazon...

There's price matching and such, and there's knowing who it's fair to do that to and who it isn't.

You guys have your mom and pop idea, which doesn't really exist over here, same with 'the man'

So in those terms, I'll screw the man over a price match, but I wouldn't screw mom and pop over £3 difference in a book price at a local store.

We are pretty schizophrenic with our laws. Taxing brick and mortar, but not mail order.

Amazon is making a push to deliver same day - I wonder if they are intending to start paying more local taxes before communities rethink their taxation

The Apple store is genuinely happy to have you get the correct mac. They dropped the restocking fee a few years ago - eating some small profit on a return / resale is an "in it to win the war - not the battle" long sighted policy.

@stuffe Our price matching is usually brick/mortar oonly

It's a bit sad seeing all the smaller service shops close. We like the idea of a local seller, but the price difference most will pay is shrinking

We have a similar thing for low value items, anything under £30 value doesn't have import duties applied, so now pretty much every CD or book or game anyone buys online nominally comes from a small island slightly offshore, totally kills mainland store pricing who have to pay full whack for reselling is after it's already imported.

The middleman thing sucks.

I try to buy music straight from the artist where possible. I wish you could do this with games. Steam helps in that respect, still a middleman, but one providing genuine value add, not just stocking and taking a cut.

It's thursday the 12th!

@stuffe Especially when no middleman means no DRM.

Has anyone here jailbroken an Apple TV 1st gen?

Perhaps someone has a link to instructions or information?

I'd ask a question

On the main site you mean?

Yeah, of the people I recognise in here at the moment, none have ever talked about the appleTV, so you're talking to a very small audience

OK; thanks. I'll do a little more research then ask a question if I can't figure it out.

Don't worry about research, that's what answerers are for, if you just clearly ask what you need to know, or what you want to acheive, the srest will fall into place (or not)

All right. Thanks.

So don't just ask if anyone's done it, ask "I would like to do "x" with my Gen 1 apple TV, but need to jailbreak it to do so. Can anyone describe the steps I need to take to perform a jailbreak?"

Questions don't have to be long or detailed, just concise

Right.

you can always add more detail later, as and when answers clear things up for you