Do most people actually know how to read IPA

@Pavel many of us who study English as a foreign language do

I suppose that makes sense.

@Pavel Yeah I learned it because my mother's a Portuguese teacher and her study area was linguistics

Apparently /ˈbrud͡zɛvskɪ/.

@Adám Wait, are you Polish?

Polish IPA is slightly different in notation but I think that's the same pronunciation

@Adám are you sure you have the correct "z" there?

@Pavel His surname most certainly is, but I recall him saying he was born in Denmark I think?

@J.Sallé Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

@ngn that z is actually a d͡z (sounds kind of like dg in dodge)

@J.Sallé there's a difference: d͡z d͡ʒ

Having it wrong gives me a story to tell: My grandfather came to Denmark from Brudzew, and was told to spell Brudzewski with a Y as that looked Russian and Danes liked Russians more than Poles. When I was born, V and W had only recently been established as separate letters, so the sexton wrote V instead of W.

@ngn indeed there is. Those are some of the few digraphs not naturally present in the Portuguese language, probably why I mixed them up.

@Adám Something similar happened to me: My great-grandparents came from Lebanon to Brazil and, since they didn't speak Portuguese and the Brazilian clerks didn't speak Arabic, S'Allah became Sallé :p

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@Adám you should put an IPA dot somewhere in the room name, to separate the syllables :)

@ngn Adám didn't make this room

This is actually the general chatroom for linguistics.se

@Adám I don't know if this was true then, but these days, the same name spelled with a V is Russian and with a W is Polish.

I know a couple of people who thought I was Polish and spelled my name as Pawel before I corrected them and they realized I was Russian.

@Pavel Interesting, but my father had Brudzewski. His younger siblings got Brudzewsky.

@Pavel Like Pavel and Pawel I suppose? :p

@Pavel Russian should use a "в", no?

@ngn Well, we can't really insert Cyrillic characters into otherwise English text.

I didn't find out how to properly spell my family name in Yiddish until I had to bury my father and say his uncle's tombstone…

But yeah, in Cyrillic it's spelled Пажел

*Павел

@Pavel Sure. Faux Cyrillic: CCCP etc.

Goddamn ЯВЕРТЫ keyboard layout

@Pavel NABEJI?

@Adám Yeah, hell no.

No one actually uses Faux Cyrillic outside of 'CCCP'

@J.Sallé How do you pronounce Sallé?

@Pavel Well, the é is pronouced as you would the e in bet. The other letters are just like in English. IPA would be something like /Sɑːlɛ/

@J.Sallé I would think it'd be /e/, what language is that? And thanks for bringing more activity into this room.

And there's no capitals in IPA. /S.../ => /s.../