The Nineteenth Byte

@MistahFiggins I rather think it is. Employees in call center are specifically trained to fulfill a task, and sometimes their whole wage depends on it. So I think it's a systemic problem.

why hello there mr. astroturf

@MistahFiggins you've got it 100% backwards

@orlp probably

these kind of calls are the result of systematic abuse by management

11:37 PM

Also comcast has one of the lowest customer rating of any US company including the IRS.

I am getting a feeling of punching people in the face

where you get written up if you do not convert % of calls

and written up means homeless

that's messed up

@mınxomaτ In our location, comcast is awesome, constant 175/12 mbps internet service, very rare disconnects

@Alt-F4 12 megs upload what

that's horrid

11:38 PM

@orlp Yes

@orlp Why?

Ewww cable. I'm so glad I'm finally on fiber, with good upload speeds.

At my last house we had 12/3

@Alt-F4 because it means you're stuck in the 80s if you want to upload something?

I wish we could have fiber 1000/1000 (also comcast)

I mean, some people will not change their opinion. If you get the wrong callers, you are done.

11:39 PM

@orlp It's still very fast. It's as fast as the download speeds we would have on CenturyLink.

@mınxomaτ That makes me very jealous

Not quite symmetric, but still better.

I had to stop listening to that call becaue it was enraging me too much

@Alt-F4 no, it's objectively bad

@orlp Why?

11:41 PM

you just have an american perspective

I'll be moving soon, and one of my top priorities is to get fibre again.

It's not like we have a choice...

1000/1000 fiber is $300-500 a month

@Alt-F4 don't you love the american (tm) free market (tm)

this is around 150

century link DSL is 6/2

YOU PAY 200 FOR THAT??

11:41 PM

more like 150, also I'm 15 years old so I don't personally pay it, my family does

I hope that's yearly

@Alt-F4 In a few states in Switzerland and Germany, 1G fibre is $80/m.

@orlp Nope, monthly

at my mom's house

it's 500/500 for 60 euros / month

For my above connection I'm paying 20 € pm

11:42 PM

@mınxomaτ That's awesome, I wish the USA had European internet

@Alt-F4 comcast received billions to improve infrastructure

pocketed it

never improved it

I live in a suburb of Seattle, so you would think that we would have good internet, and we do compared to other areas

Conor O'Brien

mine's 39.3 Mbps download / 11.1 Mbps upload according to google

If I get an apartment I'm getting one with Wave G (?) service

@Alt-F4 but as long as comcast just spends a couple million on congress they're good to go

11:43 PM

@orlp yeah the monopoly and bad internet is bad

We also have a large ring network called DFN, which interconnects all major universities. If you live on campus, you get free gigabit internet.

waveg.wavebroadband.com/services This service is basically fiber to apartment buildings in Seattle area. Price is 80/mo for gigabit.

'basically fiber'?

Along with Switzerland's Init7, DFN is one of the last truly net-neutral ISPs.

@Alt-F4 FTTB? FTTH?

@mınxomaτ No idea.

Destructible Lemon

11:45 PM

@orlp oh man the comcast hate isn't overblown

I doubt that they'd be able to deliver gigabit without fiber

@orlp It's definitely fiber, not sure which type though.

@Alt-F4 what do you mean?

@orlp They could. With FTTB it's still possible to deliver GbE to every apartment in a building using run of the mill patch cables. I have FTTH and an optical end terminal in my apartment.

Waaaaait

They dropped their prices!!!

I think it's 50/mo with 2 year contract

11:47 PM

@mınxomaτ there's still fibre going to the building

you can't go more than a couple hundred metre with copper and get gigabit

@orlp That's literally what I just said.

@mınxomaτ "I doubt that they'd be able to deliver gigabit without fiber"

"They could"

except they can't

I think this is the one we have right now:

And I qualified that with "FTTB".

@orlp 12 meg upload is pretty unusual here. I only have 2.

11:48 PM

@mınxomaτ I read over that because I don't know what that is

@quartata I hope you never wish to upload images, video or livestream

Fibre to the building

@quartata or backup, or torrent

@mınxomaτ yeah that's what my point is though, if you're getting gigabit your building gets a fiber into it, can't avoid that

The highest among my friends is 40 I believe

I mean technically you can go way beyond gigabit speeds using post pidgeons and sd cards

haha

11:50 PM

like 100grams of terabyte sd cards taped to a post pidgeon is a lot of bandwidth

but the ping would be terrible

@orlp And dropped packets are a nightmare to pick up again.

Wasn't there an RFC for this?

@mınxomaτ not to be confused with packets of droppings

@quartata I believe so

@quartata 1149

Ah yep

Down Christopher

11:52 PM

@mınxomaτ my speed is so much better 1.5 megs

"If 16 homing pigeons are given eight 512 GB SD cards each, and take an hour to reach their destination, the throughput of the transfer would be 145.6 Gbit/s."

Down Christopher

Whatif.xkcd?

there is one of those as well

what-if.xkcd.com/31

@DownChristopher megs is not a unit, but a multiplier. Mega what? Potatoes?