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Mitch
Mitch
1:19 AM
@Tonepoet Nice...thanks. That was not apparent (to me) from the home page. There is a link to it way at the bottom which I found only because you mentioned it. I must have been blind to it from the rest of the page.
 
 
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Tonepoet
Tonepoet
3:15 AM
@tchrist I've decided to add the edit myself to avoid all hell breaking loose in the meantime. I was really just meaning to ask though.
 
tchrist
tchrist
3:38 AM
@Tonepoet Thank you.
 
 
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Tonepoet
Tonepoet
5:26 AM
 
Anonymous
5:49 AM
 
Anonymous
Such a beautiful word.
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
7:33 AM
@Mitch No not paid. Just find a conversation partner and send them a friend request and a little message. If they accept it/are cool with it then you have your language partner. Teachers are not free, I have never used them. Yes I'm there for free and practicing English with a native speaker for free. I'm exchanging Hindi for English,
Jinx!
Tonepoet already helped you out. =)
 
 
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englishstudent
englishstudent
8:41 AM
@Mitch If you are interested in practicing Spanish, French etc. then there are many language learning groups on Whatsapp too. You will have to find them though. Maybe ask someone who is learning the particular lanuguage. I was part of one voice chat group on Whatsapp (for English learners) but left within a month, not my thing. I like one to one voice chat, it is more focused and without distractions.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
9:11 AM
I guess that question was... two hot. Don't bother, you can't shame me more than I feel right now. — Won't 13 hours ago
 
 
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englishstudent
englishstudent
11:00 AM
@Tonepoet We can write it like this too I reckon: "I had orange juice, toast, ham and eggs for breakfast." What do you think?
I was also thinking a ham but I don't know.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
11:26 AM
@englishstudent Ham and eggs almost has the character of macaroni and cheese..
Ham as a count noun would probably refer to a much bigger portion too.
@englishstudent Also, that's not how jinxing works. It only works when you say something at the exact same time. =P
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
@Tonepoet Yep. You are right, that's not 'jinx'. I said it too fast I guess without thinking. So what's the good word to use there? Reading transcripts the correct way? =)
I mean some people read it from below. Dunno. =)
@Tonepoet Are you learning any languages too there in italki?
I mean your research of the site was pretty good. :P
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
3
A: Meaning of "go figure" and its origin?

Sven YargsDictionary discussions of 'go figure' John Ayto, Oxford Dictionary of English Idioms, third edition (2009) identifies the phrase go figure as "North American informal": go figure! work it out for yourself (used to suggest that the conclusion to be drawn about something is obvious). North Ame...

Underappreciated answer of the day
 
RAJMOHAN
RAJMOHAN
11:53 AM
hello
I am new to this Chat room.
I wish to brush up my English Lanuage.Hope you guys Help me!
Mr @M.A.R. are You there??
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Nah sorry, I'm going to eat lunch
Back in 20 minutes or so
 
RAJMOHAN
RAJMOHAN
ok WHere are You From?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
BBL
 
RAJMOHAN
RAJMOHAN
Wow
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@RAJMOHAN Welcome
 
RAJMOHAN
RAJMOHAN
11:56 AM
Ok Bro Have it
@Tonepoet Are you There??
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@RAJMOHAN Yeah. I'm not sure how much of a help I can be though.
 
RAJMOHAN
RAJMOHAN
Ohh no Problem
just Chat ,that enough if there is mistake point to me
Is there any Grammatical error in this sentence?? @Tonepoet
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Just chat: That is enough. If there is a mistake, point it out to me
Is there any grammatical error in this sentence?

End sentences with periods, start them with capital letters and try to avoid using double terminal punctuation in most cases.
The colon can sometimes be used instead of the period if the following sentence is grammatically complete, and closely related to the preceding one.
@RAJMOHAN Is that the sort of help you want?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
12:18 PM
Back
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
Front
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@RAJMOHAN BTW, @RAJMOHAN this chat is for more rigorous discussion of English, by confusing native speakers who like to confuse themselves and the readers of this transcript. English for learners has its own dedicated chatroom, which isn't necessarily of lower level, but is usually tailored for learners.
@MattE.Эллен Up
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
Up and away!
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Through
@RAJMOHAN Iran
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@M.A.R. Huh, I thought it was for rigorous discussion of latin between Tchrist and Cerb! =P
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
12:29 PM
@Tonepoet That's a side mission. The main mission is uttering sentences that are supposed to have a meaning but don't
Another side-mission is doing Politics.SE's main chat's job
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
This sentence is false.
That^ is where rigour leads to.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
That's no sentence, that's a fully operation battle station.
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
Indeed.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@M.A.R. I suppose I also have a side mission of trying to get at least one of you to watch Puella Magi Madoka Magica (subbed) or play The Battle for Wesnoth. I'll get a big sidequest bonus if any of you do. XP
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
12:36 PM
Oh, like referring an Area51 proposal?
FAT CHANCE, BUDDY
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@M.A.R. Ppbt, Area51 is for small fries. I'm trying to make an illuminati conspiracy proposal. That's when all of the moderators subconsciously target their efforts towards... Oh, I almost said too much!
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
You be exposed
Also WTH is 'ppbt'?
Parts per billion text?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Bill the cat.
 
terdon
terdon
I tried that, but the stingy little thing never pays up.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@M.A.R. It stands for Prestigious Pedants Brag Tediously.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
12:43 PM
Purple people build tardigrades
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Tonepoet That's fitting for ELU
But probably not helping Illuminati
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
What do they brag about?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Baby steps M.A.R., baby steps. =P
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@skullpetrol Being pedants? Or maybe being pretentious
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@skullpetrol They're pedants, so they brag about how trivial the facts they know are.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
12:45 PM
People's Participatory Banquet Trust
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Ping Pong Bandits Train
 
terdon
terdon
Porn Platitudes Bore Toothfairies
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Preaching Pesters Beat Tanks
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
People Pretending Being Truthful.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Tonepoet You like pretending, huh
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
12:48 PM
@M.A.R. Oh no! I'm totally honest. ;-)
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Poster Private Banking Tavern
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
Polypropyl bromide toluene
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MattE.Эллен That can't exist, nice try though
Wait, maybe it can
No it can't
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
lol
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Yes it can
Nope
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
12:50 PM
Not even a little bit?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Pondering Pee Brawling Trolls
@MattE.Эллен Can't think of a structure
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
oh well. there goes my nobel prize
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Chem Nobel prizes are reserved for biochemistry discoveries
They keep getting excited about something new found about DNA
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
I'll just feed it to a rat
 
terdon
terdon
@M.A.R. Huh?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
12:55 PM
@terdon IIRC the 2016 Chem nobel prize was DNA-related
 
terdon
terdon
@M.A.R. The 2015 one was. The 2016 is indeed biochemistry but not about DNA (ribosomes).
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Man, my brain must have skipped a whole year
 
terdon
terdon
Mine had to look it up, so don't worry about it :)
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
This is, like the seventh time I mistake something from 2015 to be from 2016
Maybe it was such a shitty year, I had to erase it completely from memory. o.o
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
lol
chemistry pedants getting in on the EL&U pedantry
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
1:01 PM
math pedants are the worst
pedantry
Noun: pedantry (plural pedantries)
  1. An excessive attention to detail or rules.
  2. An instance of such behaviour.
  3. I don't want to listen to your pedantries anymore.
  4. An overly ambitious display of learning.
because there are so many details and rules to pay attention to
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
3. ....
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
:(
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MattE.Эллен Yeah, known bug causing examples to render as definitions
I don't want to listen to your pedantries about the SE bot bugs anymore.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
awww. that's a shame. I thought wiktionary had a sense of humour :D
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
I would have thought that would be relatively easy to fix.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
1:07 PM
If paid attention to
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
Excessively.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@MattE.Эллен Wikitionary, truly the final authority on when to shut your mouth. =P
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
Always is the answer. At least in my experience
But I never listen
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
The devil is in the details; that is, the details of math are the most problematic aspect
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@MattE.Эллен Remind me to never eat lunch with you.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
1:17 PM
@Tonepoet don't forget to never eat lunch with me
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
It's hard to see the forest when you're surrounded by trees.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MattE.Эллен For some reason the site scales the screenshot and decreases its quality
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
which is why we, at Helicopters R Us, offer helipad access near all forests.
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
:D
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MattE.Эллен So you're the guy who's destroying Amazon rainforest
ಠ_ಠ
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
1:25 PM
@M.A.R. we prefer "consumerist repurposing"
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Anti-environment alien
I see it now
You're trying to destroy all trees so hoomins eventually suffocate
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
Suffocate? Not at all. Any human can buy our tanks of air. You all have access
 
skull petrol
skull petrol
We must destroy all the trees so that we can finally see the forest.
 
terdon
terdon
@M.A.R. He's a troll, not an alien and they eat hoomins.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@MattE.Эллен Oh now you sound like Apple
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
1:28 PM
:D I was trying to sound like Paul Ryan, but that'll do
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@MattE.Эллен 'tis biologically impossible for anybody to look that good. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a god. The question needs to be migrated to Roleplaying S.E. to ask how does someone become a god in some sort of board game.
 
Færd
Færd
> I don't like to drive fast, because I'm afraid to crash / of crashing.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Færd "Of crashing" is how I think it would be more commonly said.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@Tonepoet I guess that would require a succession of natural 20s
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
@Tonepoet Is that an exaggeration? because I never saw Neil Tyson as attractive.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
1:34 PM
@englishstudent Yes.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Færd of crashing
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
If they were talking about someone like Chris Hemsworth then yeah, makes sense.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@MattE.Эллен And a coin flip check at the end, just to make you look for something you probably don't even have.
 
Færd
Færd
5
A: What's the difference between "afraid of + verb" and "afraid to + verb"?

John LawlerAs McCawley 1998 puts it (p.126) Roughly speaking, • that-complements [tensed clauses] correspond to propositions • for-to complements [infinitives] correspond to situation types • 's-ing complements [gerunds] correspond to events Afraid is a psych predicate adjective (formed from...

> the infinitive may refer to fear by the subject of the results of the action (a situation type), while
the gerund can refer to a fear that the subject may perform the action anyway (an event).
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Tonepoet Mm ugly indeed.
 
Færd
Færd
1:38 PM
Based on that, both would be possible, but maybe of is preferred because it's an accident I'm afraid of.
Well, thanks @Tonepoet and @M.A.R.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Færd Please make the slashes italic when you split the examples. I almost read that as an I.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@englishstudent ah but there's probably an assumption of basic competence in the language first, a basic ability to brokenly express onesself, before trying to converse with a non-professional
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
@Tonepoet That reminds me in some chats we see dot, dot, dot when someone is typing like ". . . .". Something like that.
 
Færd
Færd
@Tonepoet But that would be illogical.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@englishstudent Ellipsis points. They represent omission. In recent years, this includes tropical omission of something that should have been said, but was not, and hence represent an awkward silence.
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
1:50 PM
@Mitch Yeah. You mean "second language" I guess Mitch, no? Maybe I'm misreading what you just wrote.
"basic competence in second language" I guess.
First language is our mother tongue right?
@Tonepoet Yeah I know. I mean we see something like ellipsis but not quite, when someone is typing in some chats. It's a signal that your partner is typing. Sort of. I'm not talking about the punctuation punctuation here.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@englishstudent Well, that is indeed an ellipsis
It just happens to be animated to make UI look fancier
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@englishstudent Oh that. I think an argument could be said that it's the omission of what's going to be said, being used as a placeholder since it's not known yet, but that's a longshot
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
@Mitch Ah sorry. I understand now. I misread :P You wrote "language first" I read that as "first language".
@Tonepoet Ah yeah. Sure.
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:09 PM
@M.A.R. wait wait wait. There's a mission?
@terdon +1
 
terdon
terdon
Thought you'd like that one.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch Wait wait wait. You mean you weren't doing all this on purpose?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@skullpetrol I think you mean a worst. there a number of equally bad but also maximal elements in that partial order.
@Færd both are ok, but like the others, 'of crashing' seems more natural to me, even in formal language.
@snailplane petaloso petaloso petaloso petaloso petaloso
doing my part
 
Anonymous
Thank you. Your contribution is appreciated.
 
Mitch
Mitch
it could also mean someone who farts a lot.
just saying
which is also in need of a word.
so win-win
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
2:18 PM
 
terdon
terdon
@MattE.Эллен Yeah, that one's pretty good :)
 
Mitch
Mitch
@englishstudent yes. first you need a certain minimal competence in the new language before you can really hold a basic conversation.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
:D
 
Mitch
Mitch
@englishstudent that is also an ellipsis. or ellipses. I'm sure some pedant will figure out which one is best.
 
Anonymous
@Mitch Doing my part to research your question, I typed "latin for fart" into Google, and it said "momentum". I was puzzled for a moment, before I realized that it auto-detected Swedish as the language fart was written in.
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
2:24 PM
@Mitch Yep. So is your basic competence in French, Spanish etc. okay?
Anyway. Good luck.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@mitch I don't think Hashim is looking for a phrase, or deadbeat dad would be the obvious answer.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch Stoney back in ELL chat once proposed ellipsees.
Hey @Mitch should I ask on ELU?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@englishstudent That's the point, no. Duolingo is a great introduction, but barely gets you to A1. to hold a conversation, you really need a lot more vocabulary plus some ... ease in speaking (not perfect grammar or complicated grammar, but just ease in having things come out of your mouth. I don't know how to bridge that gap from the end of Duolingo to that stage. online. and free.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I'm desperately looking to ask a mediocre question to get the required rep to downvote.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
This is a ridiculous answer. No part of my answer implied that I was looking for an insult - I asked for a very specific word for a very specific scenario. If no such word exists, and therefore the answer to the question is "no", then it's up to me as the questioner to select the closest one posted as "best answer". Voting to close the question because you can rattle off a list of catch-all insults entirely unrelated to the context of the question asked is puerile. — Hashim 14 hours ago
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:33 PM
@Tonepoet maybe you haven't been here long enough to realize the culture. SWRs are almost always ill-defined and ill-directed. To make them good questions, they almost always need to be rephrased as phrase requests to get what the OP doesn't realize they are asking for.
@M.A.R. I'm pretty sure the answer is very obvious, and a dupe, and all over the weba lready, I just don't have the excess brain power at the moment.
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
@Mitch Hmm good point.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch On ELU, I only found one question asking whether "ellipsis" or "ellipses" is the correct name for the ellipsis mark
 
Mitch
Mitch
I'm concentrating on figuring out if Boko Haram is a new McDonald's sandwich or the lost fifth Teletubbie.
@M.A.R. and...?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
And no other questions
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch I know the culture and I have seen posts on meta regardng the subject (that I can't find), but I think this is a misapplication of the principle. We have separate tags for separate reasons and there are various meta threads regard
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:41 PM
@snailplane scoreggioso. doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi
@M.A.R. argh! no! what was the answer? I'm dying to know...
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Given the context of the question, there would still be no "word" that acts as a compliment to wh're or ba***rd
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Tonepoet Whre is really offensive
 
Mitch
Mitch
we're not answering a crossword clue or trying to fill in a blank in a poem that has to fit the right rhyme and meter. Usually SWRs are really 'what is the right way to call something like that and is there a set term for it?' which really means single word or phrase or whatever is appropriate. (Or 'no there is no such thing, you just have to give a descriptive phrase.')
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
79
Q: It’s time to retire the term “rep-whore”

JaydlesGoing forward, “rep-whore” (and its derivatives) will be treated like any other term that’s inconsistent with the community’s “be nice” policy: it will be removed. It’s totally okay if you’ve used it in the past. Nobody’s judging the many users who’ve used it. And users will NOT start being s...

discussion reputation be-nice-policy
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. whre are you?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
2:46 PM
@Mitch Usually may be right, but this isn't usually.
Also the question was already closed for being overly broad.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet Sure it is.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch Flagged. Please revisit the Be Nice policy.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@M.A.R. Gah, I read that as a question...
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet tchrist was just being proactive. he was reacting to the comments and deleted suggestions (which are the norm), attracted by easy rep by giving poor answers that are not wrong but are way to sensitive. Contrary to superficial analysis 'X is a B' is not symmetric, it is a subset relation.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
hello. Is everything alright in here?
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:49 PM
@M.A.R. counterflagged for frivolous fla...dangit.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Bah, I can't find Stoney's message anywhere
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattE.Эллен No. Not at all. You misspelled 'all right'
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I remembered Stoney said we could use ellipsees if we intend to avoid ambiguity with the plural of 'ellipse'
 
Mitch
Mitch
Just because Stoney said it, don't make it right
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Yeah, but an important thing to note
The reason I can't find it is ELL has had three main rooms
And a weird history
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
2:51 PM
@Mitch I'll make alright alright all by myself, if I have to
 
terdon
terdon
You left out 'roué'. — Mitch 1 hour ago
@Mitch you left out ". . . the day".
But what a great word! I didn't know that one.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch Of course, of course. It's just that I think narrower rather than broader is the right way to address the problem. Anyway, since the questioner seems to be keeping tabs on the question, I think I'll leave a comment.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattE.Эллен I've all ready taken care of that for you
@Tonepoet nothing I did really changed the question. adding 'specific' is just emphasis that shouldn't ever be needed. all those things like 'douche' were intended to be jokes anyway.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Mitch just edited the question an hour ago and I have my doubts about it. Are you just looking for just a single word to complement the others to verify the quotation as par the question underneath the quotation, or is any concise enough phrase to describe the concept acceptable? Judging by the partially deleted commentary under the deadbeat dad answer, it seems like you really just want the former, but I'm not sure enough about your intentions to roll it back myself. — Tonepoet 1 min ago
@Mitch We'll see how he responds and that should settle it (if he does), eh?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@terdon It's conveniently vague, like did he leave here pregnant and a crack addict and debts owed to a local loan shark, or did he just leave a couple over-due library books.
@Tonepoet That's misleading. People are always looking for a single word, and that's the problem because a single word is not always the answer.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
3:05 PM
@Tonepoet I am allergic to "I have my doubts" too, apparently
 
Mitch
Mitch
That's the culture we should be promoting rather than your encouraging them to answer 'yes, just a single word'
 
terdon
terdon
in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 9 mins ago, by Serg
@terdon so . . . question. Besides text processing, what's the second and third biggest thing that Perl is used for ?
in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 47 secs ago, by Serg
I'm just looking for a more or less serious project to pick up to practice and learn.
@tchrist any suggestions? ^^
 
englishstudent
englishstudent
@Mitch How can a he get pregnant? Or am I missing something?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Well, I misspelled 'her' as 'here'. Does that help?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@terdon sysadmin, giant re-entrant webapps, etc
 
terdon
terdon
3:08 PM
Ah, yes, sysadmin stuff is a good point.
 
Mitch
Mitch
re-entrant?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch pre-forked FCGI servers
Running under Plack.
 
Mitch
Mitch
googles a bunch
 
tchrist
tchrist
It's how you do "enterprise web apps" in perl.
Usually uses Catalyst or some equivalent technology.
Plack is to Perl as Rack is to Ruby.
 
Mitch
Mitch
oh...interactive?
 
tchrist
tchrist
3:10 PM
Yes, for Web v2.0 apps.
Whatever that means. AJAXy.
 
Mitch
Mitch
right
 
tchrist
tchrist
Most data is stored in a db server, access through an ORM like DBIC.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Perl isn't being used for just plain old OS scripting?
 
tchrist
tchrist
Course it is.
 
Mitch
Mitch
the intended successor of sed/awk?
 
tchrist
tchrist
3:11 PM
cron jobs and such
init.d things
general admin
 
terdon
terdon
All of which fall under the sysadmin tag.
 
tchrist
tchrist
yup
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch Sure, a single word is not always the answer, but in those cases we can say no if we have good reason to do so. I've done so on occasion myself.
 
Mitch
Mitch
oh. duh
 
tchrist
tchrist
we use it for our deployment tools
Not sure if you can call that sysadmin exactly.
Connecting to JIRA and Confluence and Slack. All those things.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:12 PM
for moving stuff around.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Suggesting changes to the type of question being asked also seems more like the job of a comment than an edit.
 
Mitch
Mitch
sure that's sysadminny
 
terdon
terdon
@tchrist Thinking of it as a catch-all phrase for "manipulating stuff on your machine"
 
Serg
Serg
hullo world o/
 
Mitch
Mitch
oy
 
terdon
terdon
3:12 PM
Hey @Serg.
 
tchrist
tchrist
It's more like repository management with git et al.
 
Mitch
Mitch
instead of git or with git?
 
terdon
terdon
Serg is a python person who's learning Perl and was looking for something to practice on. What would you recommend @tchrist?
 
tchrist
tchrist
With git.
@terdon Is he a Unix admin type?
 
terdon
terdon
And scripting aficionado.
 
tchrist
tchrist
3:14 PM
Ah.
Tell him to swing by. :)
 
terdon
terdon
Oy, @Serg!
 
Serg
Serg
For the most part I've been working with text processing, general scripting, moving files around and developing a few indicators for Ubuntu desktop. Slowly moving towards making bigger GUI apps in Gtk
Also,yesh, I'm here
 
tchrist
tchrist
Here's a tally script, for example: 
#!/usr/bin/env perl

my %seen = ();

while (my $line = <>) {
    chomp $line;
    $seen{$line}++;
}

for my $line (sort {
                      $seen{$b} <=> $seen{$a}
                            ||
                      lc($a) cmp lc($b)
                            ||
                         $a  cmp $b
                   } keys %seen
             )
{
    printf "%5d %s\n", $seen{$line}, $line;
}
Use it as a filter in a pipeline to prefix each unique line with however many times it's been seen.
Then sort by number descending.
That "lc" is primitivese for the Unicode "fc".
You don't want to know. :)
 
terdon
terdon
Those new sort things are really cool. Although I had to rewrite all sorts of scripts where I'd been using $a as a tmp variable name and couldn't figure out why they were behaving so strangely on newer perl versions.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Well, it's always $a and $b I think, unless there's a sub($$) proto on the function.
Something like that.
 
terdon
terdon
3:17 PM
@tchrist Yes, but the $a and $b were only made special for sort in perl v 5.10 or something. So a lot of my older scripts broke.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@terdon naw!!!!
It's been this way since time immemorial.
 
terdon
terdon
Huh? Really? I thought I'd seen it in a changelog but this was >10 years ago now.
 
tchrist
tchrist
perl3 or perl4
something like that
 
terdon
terdon
I do know that my scripts suddenly started breaking where they did not break before and I tracked that down to my using $a as a variable name combined with sort elsewhere. I don't remember the specifics though. I've just switched to $i and $kl for silly names instead.
 
tchrist
tchrist
The change from back then was the proto
I have to run now but I can track that for you later.
 
terdon
terdon
3:22 PM
Maybe we were using perl4 then, but that seems strange since I'm talking about Red Hat machines in ~2002 or so.
 
Serg
Serg
sorry, was a bit distracted just now - had a student asking question
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@mitch Ah, I couldn't find it because phrasing doesn't have the e... This is what I was thinking of earlier, and this.
 
Serg
Serg
@tchrist what about stuff like networking ? Is Perl suitable for scripting something like curl or wget implementation ? Maybe diagnostics tools ?
 
terdon
terdon
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Perl is plainly useful for sysadmin scripting because it's easy to create write-only code.
 
tchrist
tchrist
3:50 PM
@Serg Yes all those things. Gimme a couple hours. At dentist. Google tchrist fwdport
Or perlipc
Perl cookbook
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
I wrote an IP over uucico tunnel in Perl once. Or maybe C.
 
 
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JackArbiter
JackArbiter
6:30 PM
Oxford comma or lack thereof decides 10 million dollar lawsuit: huffingtonpost.com/entry/…
I KEPT TELLING EVERYONE BUT NOBODY LISTENS TO MY GRAMMAR RANTS
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I AGREE WE SHOULD ALL USE THE OXFORD COMMA
6
 
Mitch
Mitch
6:51 PM
Dec 24 '12 at 3:53, by tchrist
Those ones we call a comma chameleon.
 
JackArbiter
JackArbiter
You have the link to that comment saved on your desktop, don't you?
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
I AGREE WE SHOULD USE THE OXFORD COMMA, UNIVERSITY, AND HACKSPACE
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Most especially the hackspace!
 
JackArbiter
JackArbiter
I just realized I've been humming Karma Chameleon for the past 20 minutes.
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
7:06 PM
it comes and goes
 
Gigili
Gigili
7:51 PM
@Mitch Aw, I'm surprised! Thank you very much.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@JackArbiter great, now I'm humming it
 
YOU
YOU
8:40 PM
Send an message OR Send a Message
Which is correct?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
only use an if the next sound is a vowel sound
 
YOU
YOU
so send a message ?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
yes
 
YOU
YOU
Thank you
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I wonder why Thailand has such a high rate.
 
JackArbiter
JackArbiter
8:53 PM
The war on drugs gets such a bad rap. Least use of napalm in any modern war: war on drugs. Most use of roundup in any modern war: war on drugs.
So many things going for it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus La racaille courant dans la rue.
In Alaska the prisons are better than dealing with the polar bears
@MattE.Эллен +1
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Silly Love Songs.
Sorry
@MattE.Эллен "I like doughnuts"? "I like changelings"? "I like oregano"?
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
9:25 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly non-Latin answer: Meaning of "the scales begin to tip" by user228114 on english.SE
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Not in the dark countries!
@JackArbiter Absolutely!
It is a great success.
Drug use has all but disappeared; the war will soon be won.
 

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