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10:10 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Just how Does Green Relief Now Job? by greenrelief on superuser.com

tpu- by J F

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, +3 more: greentoneproblog.net/optic-garcinia/ by user671018 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by J F

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Dell Inspiron 3542 b40 i5 8gb ram 1TBHD not shutting off by nikoll on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

fp- by tripleee

@SmokeDetector F

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Elite Male Extra: Why Celeb Buzz & Media About It by Rone1966 on superuser.com

tpu- by J F

any comments on the discussion I had with one of the GD admins earlier today?

starting around here chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36355962#36355962

highlight:

in The Ink Spot, 1 hour ago, by Ryan

you all might be doing more damage than good by removing spam before a moderator can flag and remove the actual user

I think that could be a false alarm but anyway, worth looking into IMHO

(but please let's not all burst into their room at once, myself and Angus are there already)

10:27 AM

Don't mods get auto-flags?

@Kyll the other mod said sure they do but ...

it would be nice if there was a Mod Simulator so we could get a better impression of what they actually see!

[feature-request] sandbox.SE, where you can import questions/answers and set your rep level via a slider in the topbar.

@tripleee Mod Simulator 2017 - Releases in 6 - 8 weeks...

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Do you want an independent lady to spend some let night time? by Goa Escorts Services on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by J F

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: PHP how can I display cards in 2 columns? by riksha on stackoverflow.com

naa- by DavidPostill

@JF [status-already-declined-on-area51]

@tripleee if SE really considered that a problem they would have raised that with us long ago

10:43 AM

@SmokeDetector guideusermanual.com is blacklisted?

!!/test guideusermanual.com

> Blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title
----------
Title - Position 1-20: guideusermanual.com
Body - Position 1-20: guideusermanual.com

@jokerdino yes it is

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: In how many ways can four students be chosen from a group of 12 students? by Bob on math.SE

naa- by Glorfindel

Could be r/a as well, I guess.

10:50 AM

@SmokeDetector N

@Glorfindel Meh, the more moderate side is typically my choice

@tripleee Wut, why?

Spam should always be removed ASAP

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: variations with dark Testoflex advanced by casaz anaw on apple.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

@tripleee one of the blue ones here should be able to confirm if they can pull up a list of 'already resolved' red flags. IIRC something like that existed, and the GD mods can use it to nuke users.

Also, this should be implemented.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Buffer overflow works at in GDB but not in Terminal by cda on stackoverflow.com

naa- by Glorfindel

^ "Good luck, delivery is approaching!" according to google

11:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: celluriadenmark.com/xxl-testosterone-boost/ by ayeslazar on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by Glorfindel

tpu- by tripleee on In how many ways can four students be chosen from a group of 12 students? [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Exactly how ought to ELITE MALE EXTRA? by Oliviamartian on apple.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

@M.A.R. I don't think we disagree there, but they would apparently like to know so they can remove the spam accounts, too

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: I figured that I would rest easier if did this with Testomenix by Janetukaha on apple.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

@Glorfindel "should be" means "would be nice", not "I think it already is"?

tpu- by tripleee on Buffer overflow works at in GDB but not in Terminal [MS]

@tripleee yes.

English is confusing, but I would've used should have been implemented in the latter case.

I'm not sure what a native speaker would do, actually.

11:21 AM

@tripleee Also, considering the possible previous history of a semi-drama, they sound kinda weird in conversing

@Glorfindel O.O You're not a native speaker of English?

Nope.

@Glorfindel as a dubiously qualified native speaker I would agree with what you put

@tripleee another reason to have that separate GD chatroom; they can just follow Smokey reports to delete the users.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching website in body: Magic Rock RX Male Enhancement by ruthevai on superuser.com

tpu- by Henders

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: What topics can I ask about here? by Nina on drupal.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

^ nice title.

@CalvT good to hear, thanks. I'm learning something every day :)

11:28 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body: diablofans.org/testoflex-advanced/ by mahukashif on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by Glorfindel

> This is the flag you currently have raised.

Dangit!

Even when I'm fast enough to see the post, the system has been faster

@SmokeDetector K

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, +2 more: I would endorse Cianix you search for an option by Litheenty69 on superuser.com

tpu- by Henders

@Glorfindel yeah

@Glorfindel I guess "What facial cream to use?", "Alphaplex you must lose weight by" and "brain power How will they" are the greatest hits, so I wouldn't be surprised if they posted some informative spam.

11:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer: to create a temporary html table to show the dataset values on the user grid by select an id in an on-select-change dropdown by Rahesh Sammanth R on stackoverflow.com

@SmokeDetector v

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: to create a temporary html table to show the dataset values on the user grid by select an id in an on-select-change dropdown by Rahesh Sammanth R on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Glorfindel

(ked in SOCVR, warned and fixed)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Kiara Serum components amazing enough by Soumyosakaar on workplace.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

11:54 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: gomusclebuilding.com/herbal-virility-max/ by user89756 on graphicdesign.SE

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Actionmailer not working when I change gmail password by johnpaul4318 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

Is it just me, or has some user literally swapped the examples? stackoverflow.com/documentation/review/changes/133785

It's not just you.

Ah. Thanks

55 flagging errors... that could do with fixing

3 hours ago, by DavidPostill

What's up with the 41 failures?

12:04 PM

Oh yay, something broke again

I feel the prophecy is fulfilled

@Undo MS awaiting deploy to stop those 55 errors happening again

Hey wait, even with that many errors, I still have 10 autoflags for today

@M.A.R. with an error, it automatically moves on to the next eligible flagger.

I'm on 5 - highest ever :)

@Glorfindel Shucks, I was celebrating being a lucky person.

@CalvT You're not core

i.imgur.com/gKyQWac.webm

12:10 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Xtend Xr Eating healthy by SeanWire on money.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching website in body: Precisely just what Can Hypertone Force Provide for You? by hypertoneexcelau on workplace.SE

tpu- by Jan Dvorak

@M.A.R. those errors have still been happening previously, they've just been suppressed before creating failure records.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: The best memory booster ACTUS by user4728961 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: GoogleToolboxForMac framework error by mickky on stackoverflow.com

fp- by ArtOfCode

@ArtOfCode chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36356032#36356032

That's a reward for ~~being flag banned~~ winning the election.

@DavidPostill MS ID?

12:24 PM

@ArtOfCode 39

looking

I see nothing wrong with your setup

blaming random selection

@ArtOfCode Fair enough. I will keep an eye on it.

aye, lemme know if it happens again tomorrow

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Many2many relation in Odoo 10 (python) by someone on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Henders

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Referencing external javascript vs. hosting my own copy by tinytim on softwareengineering.SE

tpu- by tripleee

in The Ink Spot, 1 min ago, by M.A.R.

I don't think it's an obligation to destroy every spammer account

but we should be careful so we don't make it harder for mods to see the spam accounts

could we have something in metasmoke to help mods see which accounts have been spamming on a particular set of sites?

(I'm thinking generally the site itself + its meta, in those cases where we cover both)

^ not sure if there are any, actually

... average lifespan for the 100 newest GD spams which were caught by Smoke Detector was 183.505 seconds if my quick Python code is correct

12:35 PM

I would think they already have these tools

@tripleee Is that a real problem? The first three flags are cast instantly, and make the question disappear from the front page.

@Glorfindel maybe that's sufficient, I'm mainly stressed when I see all other recent Smokey notices go gray and the GD ones scroll off without greying (which is however now already unusual)

... plus seven which were shown as not having a "deleted_at" field but are deleted now

@JanDvorak Annoyingly enough, we don't.

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/43093837/5210517

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What's a good way to run Javascript Interactively? by user7785869 on stackoverflow.com

12:43 PM

!!/report math.stackexchange.com/a/2208550/228959

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Evaluating the nested radical $ \\sqrt{1 + 2 \\sqrt{1 + 3 \\sqrt{1 + \\cdots}}} $. by pieman on math.SE

Wait, did I report the right answer

sd 2k

naa- by Mithrandir

here's a gist gist.github.com/tripleee/307c0f5981b38e056e51cd3656716549

12:43 PM

@SmokeDetector Won't stop the R/A flaggers tho'

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Algorithm for Determining Tic Tac Toe Game Over by saclyr on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Testomenix is phenomenally ready by Caminarthe1958 on superuser.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: How to trace an actual IP of email sender? by gibson smith on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Caesar Cipher Function in Python by Derek on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Glorfindel on How to trace an actual IP of email sender? [MS]

1:02 PM

@SmokeDetector f

@SmokeDetector @ArtOfCode any idea how that was triggered? I see that the user uses his own name as a variable, I suspect that's it, but I don't see a URL.

@Glorfindel presumably it's picking up derek.write or derek.close as a URL

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, blacklisted user: Compile VLC from source by gibson smith on superuser.com

tpu- by Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode well, I guess it's hard to build something to avoid that.

unless you use something with a full list of current TLDs, yeah

Don't we have a module for that

1:12 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: You want to get two or 3 pimples Beauty Wrinkle Reducer by sonozalim541 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Mithrandir

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to get job-name from job file in azkaban 3.0 by Josef Stalin on stackoverflow.com

naa- by Mithrandir

@tripleee Maybe Smokey itself could cast a mod flag in addition to the autoflags.

Not always but like with a conservative reason weight threshold

Or maybe even better... do it on deletion from deletionwatcher

We don't want Smokey nuking stuff by himself

It wouldn't be you. I mean the SmokeDetector account

@QPaysTaxes ...he does.

Smokey has 299 on SO

1:23 PM

If a post we autoflagged is deleted in less than xyz minutes, Smokey raises a mod flag explaining the deal

@quartata really? That's a lot of flags

@quartata I think all of the mods know about Smokey already.

I thought the point was that we're deleting things so fast mods aren't seeing them?

@quartata That's good.

No mods need to nuke accounts

1:25 PM

Don't worry about that...

Oh right I forgot about that

There's a page the mods have that helps with that.

Art just said that there wasn't?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: will give you most extreme impacts. by jacklinboyz on apple.SE

tpu- by Jan Dvorak

1:39 PM

@Mithrandir which page are you thinking of? There's no page that lists users who've had their posts flagged as spam, AFAIK

@ArtOfCode /admin/users, 'Users with flagged posts'. It's not only spammers, but they do show up there.

@Mithrandir They do on sites our size, yeah, but it doesn't scale much beyond that

Anyway, I just built that page on metasmoke, so when it gets deployed I'll drop a note in TL about it

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: easy and free video-editing software or platform by Mohamed Wagih on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by ArtOfCode

^^ Is this spam or just not a great answer?

spam

we've seen 'em before

1:45 PM

sd 2- k

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Select Distinct from single column SQL by Mohamed Wagih on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

?

@ArtOfCode Ah, thanks

I guess I can purge those

@QPaysTaxes it didn't, I did

@QPaysTaxes Art did, not Smokey

1:47 PM

I tend to nuke feedback conflict notifications once I've dealt with them so that the other admins don't come scrolling through later and try to resolve one that's already done

@ArtOfCode Everything else on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/status/code good to deploy?

@Undo yep, finished and tested

kk

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Error loading shapefile in Arcobject c# : Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040228 by morteza khazaei on stackoverflow.com

sd n

1:50 PM

sd n

> ExonerateOldSpammers

best migration name ever

figured it was descriptive enough

It would be nice if MS could serialize the entire Post object so that if we ever added a !!/test-ms command we wouldn't need to make additional API calls if MS doesn't have everything

Wrote my first userscript :D To make smokey play the ping sound when he posts in SOCVR or here :)

If you'd like, you can create a pull request in the Userscripts repository to upload it.

I'd very much like to test it.

2:00 PM

...although the only thing MS would be missing is the parent question currently

(not right now, I'm currently on mobile)

It has the score when reported right

Ah okay

I'll tidy it up a bit :)

@Henders Keep in mind we place our userscripts in their own folders now :-)

@Cerbrus It's no where near as advanced as yours. Maybe I should just link you to the git repo first. I've probably made all sorts of userscript faux pas :P

2:10 PM

And call it "SPAM": "Smokey Pings After Message"

Haha

I was trying to think of a good pun name for it :P

Grab spam while you still can ;-)

@Henders Link? I can have a quick look at it.

@Cerbrus github.com/SulphurDioxide/SmokeyPings

@Henders To get mokey's ID, something like this is more flexible

I'd also store $('div.user-container:last-child.user-'+userID+':not(.notified)') in a variable

@Cerbrus That's neat!

It looked like the FIRE one was inside an anon function. Is that for encapsulation?

2:15 PM

@Henders Yes, but probably not necessary

It stores the const in the fire global object, on line 66

I've got a bunch of ideas for it. But this was my 2 day attempt at making smokey more noticeable :P

Also, have a look at line 99 and line 642

There's a global CHAT object that has a method to register message event listeners

Oh that's nice!

Much cleaner

Are you familiar with the ES6 syntax I used in that function declaration on line 642?

Nope, looks like an obj {} wrapping the arguments

2:19 PM

Aye.

function chatListener({event_type, user_id, message_id}) is similar to:

function chatListener(options)
    var event_type = options.event_type;
    var user_id = options.user_id;
    var message_id = options.message_id;

etc

What's the benefit?

less code

Ah, okay

I'm going to add some bits to it. Then maybe I can show you again?

Basically, the {event_type, user_id, message_id} means it expects an object that has those 3 properties

@Henders Sure thing

Nice thanks :)

2:22 PM

I'll be unavailable for a bit in a few hours, but just ping me here if you want me to look at something :-)

Thanks :D

likewise, I can look at stuff

@JF is the JS wizard

@ArtOfCode is good at looking at stuff :-)

Oh, I think the pinned FIRE update message can be unpinned, @ArtOfCode

In the vein of "looking at stuff" any idea what I've done wrong here? jsfiddle.net

Yea, you made it alert undefined.

2:26 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Why does the led turn dim gradually and then turn off when attached to a capacitor in series? by baba on electronics.SE

@CalvT getJSON is asynchronous

@CalvT are you aware that the code there contains a live access token for your account?

@ArtOfCode Cool, thanks!

@CalvT Also, 400 (Bad Request)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: GlycoBol XT >> freesupplementrial.com/glycobol-xt/ by Tbby Vend on apple.SE

2:28 PM

Any way, @CalvT, you can't return from an asynchronous call. Read this topic for some background information.

tpu- by Cerbrus

@Cerbrus that 400 is recent. I'll check that link, thanks

@Cerbrus @CalvT

{"error_id":403,"error_message":"`key` is not valid for passed `access_token`, token not found.","error_name":"access_denied"}

Basically, the line that line that has the return statement is where you want your alert.

waffles

2:29 PM

@Henders What's the "wut" you're pointing at?

Thanks, I'll give it a shot

@Henders: That's in reply to CalvT's code

I'm with you, sorry :p

Right, heading home, ttyl

@Cerbrus jus fyi, my access token had expired, swapping the alert to where the return was works, thanks :)

2:35 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Configurable product: variation descriptions & specifications by Ayline on magento.SE

tpu- by Mithrandir

^ woah - user has other posts....

Think it is an answer, just a bad one

@CalvT see this

Restart: API quota is 13938.

@Mithrandir fe, but see magento.stackexchange.com/questions/160311/…, stackoverflow.com/questions/41422995/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/40434652/… - same user

Spam site, but not necessarily intentional by this user

naa- by Mithrandir

2:53 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, +1 more: GlycoBol XT >> freesupplementrial.com/glycobol-xt/ by Tbby Vend on drupal.SE

tpu- by Henders

3:11 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Smart Card Reader seen, but not the smart card by Robert Willis on superuser.com

^ probably an fp I guess?

fp- by ArtOfCode

Oh good :p

that'd be a yes :)

tpu- by teward on Java printing with CUPS : printers not found [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Woocommerce Product Catalog Image Crop Position is not working. by David McGinn on stackoverflow.com

3:17 PM

Hello! I have a question about Smoke Detector

I signed up at metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging to allow Smoke Detector to use my account to flag spam

I personally want to let Smoke Detector flag as many posts as possible with my account, so I've set my conditions so that I'm as close to the 99.5% accuracy limit as possible

But I noticed that over time, as more posts are incorporated into the testing corpus, the predicted accuracy of condition settings changes a little

yep, that sounds about right

What happens if I set my conditions so that today, they're just barely over the 99.5% accuracy minimum, but then in the future, without me changing my conditions, my settings end up having an estimated accuracy less than 99.5%?

Does my account continue flagging like normal? Is it pulled from the pool of accounts used for flagging? Or does something else happen?

@Kevin I think they'll get disabled automatically - @Undo?

@Kevin Realistically, the accuracy doesn't move much. Practically, the system will re-check conditions if/when we adjust the threshold.

Don't think that's on a schedule, but not sure

However, so far the only accuracy changes have made existing conditions more accurate

3:21 PM

That makes sense

So it sounds like there's a scheduled task that might disable my account if the probabilities move in the wrong direction, but that's pretty unlikely?

Not a scheduled task, more of a manual one

That makes sense

If someone changes min_accuracy or min_post_count on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging/settings, validations are re-run

Yeah, I checked, it's not scheduled

Gotya

Thanks for answering my questions! I really appreciate it :)

3:24 PM

:)

And thanks for running Smoke Detector. It's an awesome tool, and I really appreciate the work you've put into helping keep our communities successful!

It's oddly fun, really

I think this is the first time ever I've needed a forward declaration in Python.

I suppose the only alternative would be to stick this import at the bottom of the file....

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in body: Customising ecommerce interface by Shakeel Arumugam on stackoverflow.com

sd v

3:35 PM

@quartata Can I pester you to throw this on GH? I'd kinda like to see how you're doing it

Go ahead and make the repo I'll put it up once I've tested that commands work

cool

invite in your inbox

well... I think that one bad feedback post thing was a fluke, I haven't seen it replicated since, any chance that's the case?

bad feedback post thing?

@ArtOfCode the 'no title relayed' for naa- by foobarbaz on [Post Name And Link] thing that i was hunting

3:41 PM

ah

that might've been a fluke in data passing possibly shrugs

What's smoke detector2?

Semi related...vacation is over in two days so I'll be back then

@Andy @quartata's doing a rewrite

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Good, working example of Angular2 with Electron by SkillMapped on stackoverflow.com

^ Undisclosed self promotion is spam, right?

3:50 PM

yes, technically

@ArtOfCode technically? Meaning maybe it should be advised before responding to smokey?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Philip K. Dick Essay by assignment authors on scifi.SE

@Henders for Smokey it's a tp[u], but I tend not to flag them as spam, and just edit disclosure in

tpu- by ArtOfCode

Gotcha!

3:56 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user: Use Angular 2 with Electron (Angular CLI) by SkillMapped on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by caffeineaddiction

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