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11:00 PM
@StrixVaria enjoy your pig ride
 
Maybe we should ask SE to open ITG.SE. Then both sides of the argument will be happy :)
 
@JohnoBoy haha :P
That still wouldn't work though.
the problem is not that they don't work well on GSE, but that they just don't work well on SE.
 
Yeah. I guess
 
Oak
@StrixVaria my answer here wasn't a speculation. I was 100% sure. And if the OP would have came back and said I was wrong, I would politely explain to him that he's wrong.
 
@Oak Oh god, LBA :)
I bought both games off GOG a couple of weeks ago and intend to play through LBA2 again soon
 
Oak
11:03 PM
@JohnoBoy yea I was very happy to see them on GOG
 
Also, the last discussion we had on ITG was back in august...
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A: Do we still like 'Identify This Game' questions?

tzenesSo, when I approach the problem of whether or not a question is appropriate for GSE I have to remind myself what the goal of GSE is. In my opinion: To span the graph of gaming knowledge and become an authority on it There are really two goals in there. The first is on collecting where a...

 
The highest up voted answer (almost double the other ones) was for getting rid of ITG
 
@Wipqozn Is it time for another one?
 
11:05 PM
@OrigamiRobot I think so.
 
@Ullallulloo You voted for me? :')
 
I've been thinking about making one the past week or so, but I wanted to wait for the elections to end.
 
@Wipqozn I am a recent convert. I have seen the light. I understand both sides.
 
I know game-rec caused a lot of drama, so I wouldn't want that taking place during elections with ITG.
 
But if we take out ITG, we should also take out tech issues. They have the similar problems.
 
11:06 PM
@OrigamiRobot Not exactly.
 
@Wipqozn Answers that nobody can confirm except the asker.
 
The first is that tech issues represent an actual problem you face. I wouldn't call ITG a problem.
Questions can be helpful to future user of the site, and can often be reproduced by others. So I can fix the bug myself, and then show you how to fix it.
 
@Wipqozn Solutions to the exact described problem may vary depending on users.
 
@OrigamiRobot True, but just because a question has multiple answers doesn't mean the question shouldn't be allowed.
I'm willing to grant that Tech issues share some of the same issues, but not all of them, and they also have additional things in their favour.
 
The problem described may be simply symptoms of the actual problem.
 
11:09 PM
That said, tech issues and ITG are two different things. They should be discussed in their own meta.
 
While I do like answering ITG questions, and think it's nice there's a place where people get relatively-fast answers to these types of question. I agree that in this type of site, ITG questions are out of place. They serve no purpose after being answered.
 
@Wipqozn Don't get me wrong, tech issue questions are far more valuable than ITGs, but my dislike of them made me realize why ITG is also bad.
 
@OrigamiRobot ah, I see.
Well I do agree that tech issues have their own set of issues.
 
@Wipqozn Oh I'm not saying they should both be decided by the same discussion.
 
I just think the good outweighs the bad in that case.
 
11:11 PM
I have to go home. I can continue in 20 minutes.
 
I'll probably start working on a meta thread for ITG tomorrow, and try to get it posted by the end of the week.
 
11:23 PM
@JohnoBoy I don't know, KoA is a mixed bag. It's got the core of a good game, but then the details are frequently wrong.
 
@agent86 In the small version of your gravatar, your mouth tentacles look kind of like the eyes on @Raven's shark, so right now I'm parsing you as an albino version of him.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I can see the resemblance :)
 
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Is that data you can hit via the SE Data Explorer up to date? I'm trying to write a query for KOA but it's looking like only 9 questions are tagged, which doesn't match actual results
 
TF2 update inbonud
 
11:33 PM
@Sterno it's typically around a month old
 
@agent86 Ah, that explains it. I was trying to write a query that would show the top questions by views and answers by votes
 
@Lazers Wow, didn't even think about how we were gonna have to tag that
 
@Sterno it's like an "offline copy" of the SE databases. they dump to that periodically, but it's not at all live. you might be more interested in the API over on stackapps.com
 
@AshleyNunn You've been asking so many questions lately. You're like a machine!
 
you can't do view filtering/sorting, but you can do votes.
 
user15026
11:34 PM
@Wipqozn Either that, or I suck at videogames XD
 
@AshleyNunn It can be both :P
 
@AshleyNunn you tend to ask good questions, so I just consider you a power asker
 
user15026
@Wipqozn A machine who sucks at video games. What a useless machine XD
 
user15026
@agent86 That makes me feel special :D
 
@agent86 That looks cool but more than I'm willing to get into right now.
 
11:36 PM
without power askers, this would just be a bunch of us standing around and patting each other on the back about how awesome we all are at video games.
@Sterno there's a little documentation link that you can play with the queries interactively.
 
pats @agent86 on back You're so awesome at video games!
 
@Wipqozn no, no, you are!
 
@agent86 you're right, I am.
I'm awesome.
 
@Oak However sure you were that that was a game that met his requirements, you could not possibly refute any claim he made that that was not the correct game.
 
user15026
@agent86 grins Glad to be helpful. :) Although you all answer my questions, so you are still awesome at video games :D
 
11:38 PM
However polite you were about it.
 
@Sterno alternatively, if you don't need it right away, let me know what you want and I'll see if I can make something real quick. I've got some libraries that I can use to whip something up. Kind of busy at the moment, so it might not be for a few days... might not be that awesome if the contest ends real soon.
 
Oak
@StrixVaria well I know he would not have refuted that, because I know I am right :)
 
@Oak But that doesn't mean anything in regards to speculation.
 
Oak
@StrixVaria although in general you are correct, this is something ITGs and troubleshooting share
 
Plenty of people know they're right about what god they worship. But if they were all right, they would all be wrong too.
I know you're wrong about that question.
With just the same conviction that you know you're right.
And no one can possibly tell either of us who is wrong.
Except the original asker.
 
Oak
11:41 PM
@StrixVaria well, I disagree it's a matter of opinion. There does exist one correct answer. But in general I agree with you that 100%-sure answers to ITGs are the exception, not the norm.
 
@Oak This is not a matter of opinion.
We cannot possibly know with 100% certainty what is correct until the asker accepts an answer.
100%-sure ITGs don't exist.
 
user15026
@agent86 Yeah, I just hope that someone can answer all of my random yet awesome questions XD (I tend to play a lot of games not a lot of people here seem to play)
 
Oak
@StrixVaria I am not convinced. I believe that you can.
@StrixVaria and I believe that they do exist.
 
@Oak I believe there's an invisible pink unicorn sitting next to me too.
Beliefs only go so far.
 
@StrixVaria Some ITGs are specific enough that you can.
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Q: Flash Hero Defense Game?

FofoleDoes anyone remember the following flash game that was either on Kongregate or Not Doppler or one of those flash game sites: You had to defend your right side of the screen. You had 3 classes: warrior, archer, and mage. You attacked by clicking. The mobs were round, coloured monsters with mouth...

 
11:44 PM
@Ullallulloo Not with proof. Not until the asker accepts an answer.
 
When I found the answer, I was 100% sure that I was right.
 
@Ullallulloo Did you not just read all my arguments?
 
Oak
@StrixVaria well, of course, I see you disagree with me here. In my eyes 100%-sure answers can exist; in your eyes they cannot. I am not convinced by your opinion, though, as much as you are apparently not convinced in mine.
 
@Ullallulloo You happened to be right, by stroke of luck, this time, because the asker accepted the answer.
 
@StrixVaria No, I was eating.
 
11:45 PM
@AshleyNunn well, I like to believe that you're attracting a different audience. With time, there will likely be more people here who are playing the games you are playing, one hopes.
 
Had the answer not accepted your answer, I could be 100% sure that you are wrong with the same conviction that you are sure that you are right.
 
crashes in like a boss
 
And no one can say diddly shit about it except the asker.
 
user15026
@agent86 fingers crossed Someday, there will be others like me! sniff
 
@Oak You are wrong, plain and simple. And this is why I didn't vote for you.
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Because Oak is terrible at policy.
He might be great at flagging, but that's not everything a mod needs.
No, his mod-ship won't ruin the site.
But it sure won't make it better.
 
11:46 PM
@FallenAngelEyes He is a lesser, less angry version of me.
@FallenAngelEyes also, how does the indie game music bundle two work?
 
I just wish we had had this tirade before the election.
Now I know for next time.
Speak my mind when I can still change people's views.
 
Oak
@StrixVaria I've long taken the stance that policy should be decided by the community, not the mods. I write a lot of text in meta, but I won't enforce anything which I don't see as accepted by the community, whether as a mod or just a high-rep user.
 
@StrixVaria I know that there was no other game that fit that description without a reasonable doubt.
 
You're entitled to your opinion, @StrixVaria, but do you really need to take it to a personal attack?
 
user30
@RavenDreamer Spend money. Get music.
 
11:48 PM
@Oak And that's fine. That's why I'm confident you won't ruin the site.
 
Is it 1$ for the first 5, 10$+ for the next (store this as X), X + 5$ to add in IMGB #1 (store this as Y) and Y + 5$ to add in a giftcode for IMDB two?
 
@Ullallulloo You really can't know that. There could have been some really obscure game you never heard of which also fit the description.
 
Oak
@badp I think a personal attack is fine when he's opposing my views, not insulting my mom or something :)
 
@StrixVaria @Agent86 now... he's a shifty character for sure!
 
user15026
@RavenDreamer That is what I am trying to figure out!
 
11:49 PM
@badp Perhaps not.
I might be slightly more heated than necessary right now.
 
Ok where did the conversation go?
 
@Oak There's quite the distance between "I disagree with your take on this subject" to "You are a moderator with terrible policies that will not improve this site"
 
@Wipqozn But I looked hard enough that I knew it within reason.
 
@RavenDreamer what who? I didn't do it. It was like that when I got here.
 
@badp Yeah, this isn't an ad hominem argument or anything. He's basically taking his specific argument and putting it into a context re: what he thinks of how Oak feels the site should be run.
 
11:50 PM
@badp It's pretty similar to politics, really.
 
The chance of that would be less than half a percent.
 
user30
@RavenDreamer right okay.
 
Which rounds up to 100%.
 
@Ullallulloo IF the game is obscure enough, you could look for days and not find anything.
 
And to be honest, I largely agree. I cannot think of one major site policy discussion on which I've agreed with @Oak. I respect him tremendously, but I also think he is consistently wrong.
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user15026
11:50 PM
@RavenDreamer From some experimentation - you pay $10 for the IMGB2 + the extra stuff, and then an extra $5 on top of that for the IMGB1.
 
@AshleyNunn Okay. Good to know. I'll go pay my 12.50 then.
 
user15026
then the gift code is $5 more, for a total of $20.\
 
@AshleyNunn It's shocking easy to spend money on the internet.
 
user30
$1+ for #2 (the 6 items on the top), $10+ for #2 w/flacs and those 12 bonus items underneath. Then $5+ for $1 (which I didn't get) and another $5 if you want another code for #2.
 
user30
yay flacs
 
11:51 PM
go flac yourself?
 
@RavenDreamer As soon as I finish eating, I can help test Caitlyn
 
@OrigamiRobot Oh, okay.
I just finished eating.
THREE different kinds of broccoli.
I think the Dining Hall copped out for valentine's day.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz To add to this, @Oak is a great addition to the site as a whole, with his expert answers and knowledge. I just don't think he'll be good as a moderator.
 
I stayed later than I thought to talk to my boss about something. I didnt realize it was almost 7.
 
user15026
@RavenDreamer 3 different kinds of broccoli?
 
11:53 PM
@AshleyNunn Same kind of broccoli, prepared 3 different ways.
 
Not any of you.
WHO DID THAT.
BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
 
@GnomeSlice Tone down the language
 
@GnomeSlice Someone who wants to save you another suspension, I presume.
 
user15026
@RavenDreamer Ah. I was like....I only know of regular green broccoli
 
Oh that reminds me.
 
11:54 PM
:3410195 Three swears in one line is excessive. Especially as a conversation starter with no context.
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Someone needs to edit my magic card to include something about adding flag counters to it.
 
@Mana Why you gotta clear my stars
 
Oak
@StrixVaria it does feel like you're steaming on your side of the keyboard... but it's still good to know what you think of me, and I don't see anything you said as inappropriate. I only urge you to try and understand why I think the way I do, instead of categorically rejecting that. But I can definitely see why some would disagree with me here.
 
@OrigamiRobot Who said I was trying to start a conversation.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Because he's a terrible person.
 
user15026
11:55 PM
@GnomeSlice Then why randomly say it in a public chat room?
 
@OrigamiRobot It was also the entire sentence.
 
Oak
@LessPop_MoreFizz I love you too :)
 
@Oak From what I gather, your stance is that "more topic space = more better", which is reasonable too. I just happen to think that "focused topic space = more better".
 
Hey guys
 
@AshleyNunn Where else am I supposed to say it?
Silly girl.
 
11:55 PM
@GnomeSlice Your magic card is fine. Whenever you "attack" if a mod is around, you get banned.
 
so there's lots of drama here
 
@Mana Hey! What's up?
 
user30
lots of chat
 
I still think flag counters would be a cool thing.
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice Excuse me?
 
11:55 PM
I'm just going to toss in my two cents and leave
 
@Oak I understand your side of the argument as to why ITG should be allowed to say.
@Oak What I can't accept is that you can ever be 100%-sure that an ITG answer would be right.
 
I'm with @Oak.
 
user30
@AshleyNunn I think that is his toned down less explicit original sentence.
 
I like how there are about 4 different conversations going on right now.
 
Which is why I reject ITG in the first place.
 
11:56 PM
@StrixVaria The asker can.
 
Oak
@StrixVaria and I can definitely see where this is coming from. I love ITGs but so many of them are problematic which makes me feel the pain of many of the anti-ITGs
 
@GnomeSlice That's what he means. Only the asker can know.
 
@GnomeSlice Yes but that's not good enough. The community has to be able to as well.
 
@StrixVaria More specifically, that's the point of Stackexchange.
 
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Oak
11:56 PM
@StrixVaria also let's please skip this 100%-sure thing. It's a minor issue. We strongly disagree on that - so be it. But you say "impossible" and I see "possible but rare" so let's agree on "on small importance to this discussion"
 
@RavenDreamer Well said.
 
@GnomeSlice The point of gamification is to encourage positive behavior.
 
My goodness, the chatroom is full today.
 
I agree, ITG aren't the best fit for the site... but I love them. =[
 
@Oak The thing is that the 100% thing is dealbreaking to me.
That's the point I will keep coming back to because it can't be surmounted.
And categorically makes ITG bad questions.
 
11:57 PM
@StrixVaria There are other things that make ITGs bad, though.
 
Oak
@StrixVaria so, if it was possible, you would not oppose ITGs any more?
 
@Oak If you got over that hurdle then I would analyze the others. But you won't, because you can't.
 
@StrixVaria See, I don't think we even get that far. ITG to me is dealbreaking if for no other reason than because they are, categorically, and I don't think even @Oak would disagree with me on this, the worst questions on the site.
And it's not even close.
 
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You potentially can't tell if two potential duplicates are actually duplicates until after they are answered.
 
11:58 PM
Shame on you @AshleyNunn.
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice Why?
 
eh screw it, seems like we've resolved the drama mostly
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz This is flawed logic, because if we eliminated ITGs, another kind of question would become the worst kind of question on the site.
 
@AshleyNunn Read my comment. :P
 
Then would we be forced to close those as well?
 
11:58 PM
@Mana Oh, need me to fix that?
 
user30
@GnomeSlice No.
 
@Mana IT was fine until YOU came along!
 
@StrixVaria You're getting caught up on the semantics of how I phrased it.
 
oh man, I'm sorry @mana! I was just joking :( you're actually a really cool guy.
 
@AshleyNunn You also forgot about the BOGUSBANANAS cheat.
 
11:59 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz So it's because they're so much worse than every other question on the site?
I can agree with that.
 
Put another way, ITG is a magnet for terrible questions. Allowing ITG questions drags down the overall quality of our site by encouraging bad contributions./
@StrixVaria Yes.
 
Oak
@StrixVaria that's sounds a bit close-minded of you. I have many strong beliefs in life. But I also try to be aware of the fact they can be changed. Some have, over the years.
 
I don't think even @Oak disagrees that the vast majority of ITG questions we get are terrible.
 

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