The Bridge

Wipqozn

8:00 PM

hopes this last second sucking up works :P

badp

aaaaaaaaaand

cmon windows

Ronan Forman

Yay!

Ian Pugsley

@Wipqozn anybody who hadn't voted probably wouldn't have been swayed that late :)

Wipqozn

@IanPugsley I can dream ;)

Tim Stone

> Winners are agent86 and Oak.

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Wipqozn

8:00 PM

Losing video it is!

agent86

@TimStone holy crap, seriously?

Wipqozn

youtube.com/…

badp

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Loading ballots from file 3[1].
Ballot file contains 10 candidates and 176 ballots.
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Ballot file contains 176 non-empty ballots.

Counting votes for Gaming Moderator Election 2012 using Meek STV.

Wipqozn

Congrats @oak and @agent86!

Ronan Forman

Ooh, 4th I wasn't expecting that!

Pyrodante

8:01 PM

Gratz!

badp

Landslide for Oak

Grace Note

Yay! Oak won in the first round~

Ullallulloo

Wipqozn got third?

Kevin Y

Congratulations @Oak and @agent86!

Grace Note

Congratulations, @Oak and @agent86!

badp

8:02 PM

@Ullallulloo It appears so

Ullallulloo

Too close, there.

agent86

thank you everyone :)

StrixVaria

Hey look @Wipqozn you almost didn't lose.

2

Juan Manuel

congrats

Grace Note

Arda wasn't 4th this time

Wipqozn

8:02 PM

Juan Manuel

My first 2 choices :)

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

Ullallulloo

I voted for the two last and first. :P

badp

Also Ronan beat Arda.

Grace Note

@Ullallulloo No, it looks like Mark was 3rd

Ronan Forman

8:02 PM

@badp Aren't I great.

user2334

Amazed only 176 people voted

Wipqozn

Never mind, I'm silly.

badp

yep, Mark was 3rd

Ullallulloo

@GraceNote Oh, yeah.

badp

@Wipqozn not even close :P

Wipqozn

8:04 PM

@badp herp a derp

Was thinking I was @MarkTrapp

Also, my winning video was this (a surprise, I'm sure):

►

Dave McClelland

@Oak @agent86 Congratulations!

user2334

@Wipqozn It happens a lot to people

badp

@Wipqozn that's a still, not a video

Grace Note

Mark Trapp wasn't too far behind at the start, but once the new votes started pouring in, he got squashed

Dave McClelland

And now I'm back to being productive. Whoooosh!

StrixVaria

8:05 PM

I'm sad my top 2 picks didn't make it :'(

Ullallulloo

Note to self: bribery works.

agent86

well, thank you very much to everyone that voted, I appreciate your support :)

Wipqozn

So this is a case where the primaries predicted how the position of the first four candidates spot on.

Lazers

2

Q: Are there any optional "mega bosses"?

I know a lot of Final Fantasy games have had optional side bosses that were quite a feat to defeat. Does Final Fantasy 13-2 have anything similar?

final-fantasy-13-2

0

Q: Where can I buy Mana III potions?

I'm at a point in the game where I need a lot of heavy mana spells to get through this one part, but the best I can find is Mana Potion II in stores. Is it possible to purchase these from a store or do I have to bind them?

white-knight-chronicles-2

Wipqozn

Well, glad to see we now have two excellent new mods :)

OrigamiRobot

8:08 PM

@badp I don't know how to read that.

Juan Manuel

@agent86 now get to work

Ullallulloo

@OrigamiRobot You got last. :(

agent86

@OrigamiRobot in each of the 11 rounds, there's one number per candidate

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: of the SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we arm our lazers in the general direction of our moderators-to-be and prepare the initiation protocols (no tags)

user2334

@GraceNote True facts: if you run the election with 4 slots, I get elected in the 2nd round. Guess I wasn't very many people's second choice

Grace Note

8:11 PM

@MarkTrapp ...as second place?

StrixVaria

@MarkTrapp You were my second choice!

badp

@GraceNote Aren't places only determined by the number of additional seats required for the candidate to be picked though?

That's how I do it anyway

Grace Note

I don't know at all

user2334

@GraceNote Yeah. More slots = lower threshold, so people with high first choice votes have an easier chance to get elected. Higher thresholds (due to lower slots) means second choice votes matter a whole lot more

user2334

@StrixVaria Yay! Thanks :P

Grace Note

8:12 PM

Ah, so you'd be in on the 2nd round, but still rank "3rd"

Wipqozn

@MarkTrapp That's interesting.

Jason Berkan

@MarkTrapp Which boils down to more people had agent86 as their second choice than had Mark as their second choice.

user2334

@JasonBerkan Yeah, if I'm not screwing up the math

Wipqozn

I'm still waiting for @RonanForman to throw this tantrum of his.

agent86

I was pretty convinced that I was going to come in third. I rated that highest on the probability curve, then either 2nd or 4th, and beyond that the probability was relatively negligible.

OrigamiRobot

8:14 PM

Who decided these results were best presented top to bottom. Left to right would have been way easier to read

Wipqozn

@agent86 Why is this?

badp

@MarkTrapp Sorry man, it was kinda hard not giving first choice to Oak. Nothing personal

agent86

@Wipqozn just... a hunch, I guess?

Raven Dreamer

Mf.

Wipqozn

@badp Oak was one of the pro-terms mods, wasn't he?

user2334

8:14 PM

@badp Oak was my first choice too. Well, after myself of course :P

badp

Yep.

agent86

I did okay in the primaries, but I wasn't convinced that would transfer to the election.

OrigamiRobot

@Ullallulloo This is acceptable to me.

agent86

yeah, I think Oak was a forgone conclusion :)

Ullallulloo

@OrigamiRobot You were my second pick if it helps.

badp

8:15 PM

@MarkTrapp I think that if you as a candidate don't rank yourself as your own first choice you're kind of wasting everybody's time, given how STV works

Wipqozn

@agent86 Yeah, same. I don't think there were any doubts that would oak would win.

Ullallulloo

@Wipqozn doubts?

OrigamiRobot

@Ullallulloo I was my last pick.

Wipqozn

@Ullallulloo oops :P

badp

and how (correctly) sensitive it is to 1st choices

agent86

8:16 PM

@MarkTrapp, nice race, that was pretty damn close.

Grace Note

I... didn't vote Oak first, but only because I had enough faith in his following that I knew I could bolster my second place to an ideal win by putting them as my first choice.

I put him in 2nd just as a backdrop measure in case everyone on Gaming failed me.

badp

@GraceNote Your trust isn't misplaced, but not everybody can play that game

Ullallulloo

@OrigamiRobot I think you would make a really good mod after the town hall meeting.

Grace Note

@badp Of course not everyone can play that game. You play this game on the understanding that not everyone is playing that game.

badp

@GraceNote That's not how game theory works!! or something.

Juan Manuel

8:17 PM

prisoner's dilemma

Grace Note

Actually, it is precisely how it works

user2334

Quick someone find that scene from A Beautiful Mind

OrigamiRobot

@Ullallulloo I think I would make a good mod too. That's why I ran. I definitely don't think I was the best choice. I thought I did terrible at the town hall. Looking back, I missed a lot of the questions.

Grace Note

Thanks, @Juan

I think almost everyone who ran could've done a smashing job as a mod.

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badp

Isn't the solution to that dilemma "everybody gives in?"

@GraceNote Now to ban those that made you say "almost"

looks at @Wipqozn

Wipqozn

8:19 PM

@GraceNote Except ronnie :P

Ullallulloo

@badp but he's so pro much!

Juan Manuel

Prisoner's dilemma

The prisoner's dilemma is a canonical example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why two individuals might not cooperate, even if it appears that it is in their best interest to do so. It was originally framed by Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher working at RAND in 1950. Albert W. Tucker formalized the game with prison sentence payoffs and gave it the "prisoner's dilemma" name (Poundstone, 1992). A classic example of the prisoner's dilemma (PD) is presented as follows: :Two men are arrested, but the police do not possess enough information for a conviction. Following the separat...

Mana

Hi

Wipqozn

@GraceNote Just noticed the almost

Grace Note

@badp For the prisoner's dilemma, sure, but it's more on the same manner of expectation of the other's cooperation and capitalizing on it

Raven Dreamer

8:20 PM

@Mana Hi!

Grace Note

Hi @Mana and @Raven, what fortuitous timing!

Jason Berkan

@JuanManuel I hate game theory. It glosses over the fact that I may hate the other guy and turn him in based on that. Or that he is my brother, so I will never turn him in.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GraceNote How good of them both to arrive as their positions are usurped. Mana, Raven, you can turn in your diamonds at the door.

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote You missed me when I popped in here 5 minutes ago?

Mana

Well, cool stuff

Raven Dreamer

8:21 PM

7 mins ago, by Raven Dreamer

Mf.

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer Willingly, yes

Ronan Forman

badp

@RonanForman wat

Raven Dreamer

Though, admittedly, my response at the time was more "intrigued grunt" than anything meritous of an actual response.

Ronan Forman

@badp It's the results.

badp

8:23 PM

oh, I don't visualize them like that

fires up Excel

Ronan Forman

Mark Trapp Agent86 Oak Kevin Y Ronan Forman Wipqozn Arda Xi fredley John the Green OrigamiRobot
29 36 64 6 9 15 8 4 3 2
30 38 59 6 9 16 8 4 3 2
31 39 59 6 9 16 8 4 3 0
31 40 61 6 9 16 8 4 0 0
32 41 61 6 10 16 8 0 0 0
33 42 59 7 10 16 9 0 0 0
33 45 60 0 10 17 10 0 0 0
34 45 58 0 10 17 10 0 0 0
34 48 63 0 10 19 0 0 0 0
35 50 65 0 0 23 0 0 0 0
38 57 70 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

There's the numbers.

Wipqozn

@RonanForman That's not hard to read or anything

Ronan Forman

@Wipqozn It wasn't to read, it was for @badp to paste into excel,

Wipqozn

@RonanForman ah okay

badp

@RonanForman Excel can open the ballot file directly

Ronan Forman

8:24 PM

Really? Cool.

Wipqozn

@RonanForman Well, on the bright side, due to my color blindness my bar looks identical to oaks bar, so I can look at that and pretend I won.

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Ronan Forman

@badp How?

Raven Dreamer

@OrigamiRobot poke.

badp

Tell it it's a space delimited file

Ronan Forman

Still not getting it.

OrigamiRobot

8:27 PM

@RavenDreamer 3 more hours :(

Grace Note

Oh, @Raven, do you have experience with League of Legends replay files?

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote None.

@OrigamiRobot roger that, sir!

Ian Pugsley

@RavenDreamer there's this thing he's got called a jerb

it's pretty gross, I keep telling him to get it looked at

user2334

@JasonBerkan I did screw up the math, particularly by not realizing that both Oak and agent86 get elected in the first round in a 4-slot race. I would get elected in the 2nd round because agent86 was already elected. 2nd choice votes for me or agent86 didn't affect either's chances of getting elected

Raven Dreamer

@IanPugsley I want one!

@MarkTrapp So close!

OrigamiRobot

8:29 PM

@RavenDreamer Do you have any cool skills?

Ian Pugsley

@RavenDreamer everybody wants one, until they have one, then they want a different one :P

user2334

@RavenDreamer C'est la vie :P

Ian Pugsley

also, to any people of UK location who know anything about comic books, Brett White needs your help figuring out how to get comics to other UK people:

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Q: Ongoing Comic Book Grant [Updated Feb 14 2012]

In the interest of increasing the sci-fi/fantasy comic book content on the site, I am proposing an ongoing comic book grant that would reward multiple users on a regular basis, and hopefully be a quick way to get newer users more involved in the grant process and site in general. Pre-emptive TL;...

discussion featured promotional-grant

Raven Dreamer

@OrigamiRobot I can make numbers do things!

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer Hexes!

Raven Dreamer

8:31 PM

@OrigamiRobot (And haven't we been over this? I'm a Computer Scientist, soon to be graduated)

Stephen

@RavenDreamer Then you'll be in industry practicing safe hex?

Sterno

Ronnie in 2013!

Pyrodante

I cant wait to get home and play Twisted Metal

Raven Dreamer

@Stephen HOpes o.

FallenAngelEyes

@JasonBerkan I'm playing ME1 now and haven't been spoiled. :(

badp

8:34 PM

FallenAngelEyes

Also congrats to the winners!

badp

There we go

Lazers

2

Q: Do passive auras like Sona's grant assists?

If Sona grants an aura to an ally that gets a kill, will this count as an assist? I'm assuming she hasn't changed her auras during the fight.

league-of-legends

0

Q: Why Elrindir at the drunken huntsman mad at me?

We use to be such great friends, like "Ah my Khajiit friend what are you hunting?" or something like that Now it's more of "What do youuu want you rat scum?" What did I do, can I reconcile with him?

skyrim

Stephen

Pat on the back to everyone who threw their hat into the ring

Jason Berkan

@FallenAngelEyes Honestly, I'm 1/2 way through ME1 at the moment. But given how long the game has been out, I figure that avoiding spoilers is going to be difficult.

FallenAngelEyes

8:35 PM

@IanPugsley I cannot find a comic book store here in the NL to buy American comics and this makes me sad

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote Why'd you delete your answer?

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer Because I was wrong

FallenAngelEyes

@badp Thank you, thank you, thank you, this makes it so much easier for me to parse.

Grace Note

At least, my recollection of, say, "I don't get assists just for being nearby with Will of the Ancients", would make my answer wrong

Ian Pugsley

@FallenAngelEyes buh nuh nuh :(

OrigamiRobot

8:36 PM

@badp Darn it!

I was gonna do this, except worse

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote The thing about Sona's auras though, is that her auras have an active effect that targets her teammates, so it's likely it'll net an assist by actively buffing someone who deals damage.

Oh, dear.

Dwarf Fortress forums crashed.

Grace Note

@RavenDreamer I elaborated on that in my comment to the correct answer

OrigamiRobot

:/ it was formatted nicely

badp

@OrigamiRobot nah, round by round visualization is probably too hard to read to be any use

Raven Dreamer

@GraceNote Ah. I haven't refreshed the page yet.

badp

8:38 PM

@GraceNote check meta ♫

OrigamiRobot

@badp Better than the format that they gave.

badp

Also I fail, I should've put in my own election summary in before doing that

LessPop_MoreFizz

espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/48627/…

agent86

as promised to @RavenDreamer:

Grace Note

@badp Which Meta?

Ian Pugsley

8:40 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz I admire the kid for her moxy, but I hate the mentality that sports are important enough to cause as much of a fuss as this caused

badp

@GraceNote meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/users/flagged-posts/-1

Grace Note

Oh, that

OrigamiRobot

@badp Also, who had me as first choice? I advised against that.

@RavenDreamer @IanPugsley will give you his job.

badp

@OrigamiRobot no idea

how would I know?

Juan Manuel

You are a mod, you know everything

OrigamiRobot

8:44 PM

I wasn't actually asking you. It was a rhetorical question.

Tristan

@OrigamiRobot Rhetorical?

badp

@JuanManuel You are the oracle.

FallenAngelEyes

@Tristan morning, sunshine

Tristan

@FallenAngelEyes Morning! I just realized that I'd been in the room since the winners were announced... And still hadn't said anything. o.O

Congratulations to the winners!

user15026

Congrats, guys. :)

user30

8:49 PM

@badp thanks for sending me that link

user30

I closed Steam but forgot to say cheers.

badp

@ThomasMcDonald it's only been pinned for a week or so

user30

Yeah, I couldn't remember.

user30

I tried the singular but not the plural.

agent86

thank you everybody :)

OrigamiRobot

8:51 PM

@Tristan Thanks for popping in just to correct me :P

Tristan

@OrigamiRobot Happy to help! =D

On another note: The issues I've been having recently, that most of you are aware of, are finally sorted! Within the next week (or two depending on plane ticket prices), I will no longer be living in a hotel! I still want to say thank you to everyone at Gaming.SE for helping me keep my sanity for the past two months.

Ronan Forman

@Wipqozn I wont be having a tantrum as I didn't lose to you, so it's fine.

user15026

@Tristan Hooray! That is awesome, terrific, wonderful news :)

Raven Dreamer

Let this be a lesson to all of you.

If you want to be elected moderator, don't use a pony gravatar.

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Tristan

@RavenDreamer Or just put a Darth Vader helmet on your existing Pony gravatar!

Raven Dreamer

8:55 PM