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6:00 PM
you know its bad when a troll warns about trolling...
 
you mean a 1000 people working in the company? when I read user I imagine clients
@Burgi what exactly makes it bad and in what context is it bad and whaaaaaaat nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you're not talking about me
 
yea 1000 people (with skills) (20 of those with IT skills).. vs avg joe @ home... who uses AOL broadband internet.
pretty sure most people dont know what a MAC address is..
 
I use heavily shielded fibre optic internet that no one can tap into
that's the IP address of your mac, but not everyone has a mac
 
And you're mac address would have to be registered via dhcp lease if it were to be visible anywhere in some sort of recent client lists...
 
Virtually all LAN packets have both the IP and MAC, though, right?
 
6:03 PM
yep
For ARP
 
I don't know why people buy USB wifi adapter which is capable of packet injection and penetration testing..I did this with my in-built intel Dual Band Wireless AC-3165 in my laptop..I wonder why lot of people suggest to buy alfa or atheros etc.
 
heyyyyy user you know if you want to troll just once............. you can set your mac address to the same one as your neighbour's device (troll troll troll) then if they are IT they will be like O.O came from .. -checks mac- my PC? zOmgz I gotz a virus
 
lol
 
I remember someone here telling me that oh right no that was the AP SSID that is sent in loose encryption in every packet transmitted
 
can the mac address be traced by looking the header information of de-authentication packets? like source mac address to destination mac address?
 
6:07 PM
can you help me? what's a de-authentication packet
 
it disconnects you from your wifi and then you have to reconnect again
 
if you're smart enough to inject a packet you should be smart enough to craft one, otherwise I could just call you a skiddy and move on
what's the method though
 
I simply used aircrack-ng..3 commands forced my device to disconnect and reconnect again
 
oh look there's a program out there that does it for you
:P
 
I was surprised..it's like a DDOS attack
 
6:10 PM
so why dont you get wireshark and see what happened
check if the packet headers had your computers MAC but you might as well send the packets from an adapter with a different mac to not get confused
 
did you disconnect yourself?!
then that's not the same as you disconnecting a neighbour
 
@djsmiley2k yeah, it was disconnected automatically..the wifi sign on my phone was vanished and then I've to manually connect my phone again
the victim was my phone and I was an attacker using laptop
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I'm going to see on wireshark whether packets contain source mac address or not..that will be a relief if they don't
 
ah ok
you should be able to spoof a mac
 
this is a good way to get experience on what a jamming broadcast de-auth will look like, so if it ever happens in a professional setting you can identify it.. well not do much about it though
 
if it happens you have to activate laser eyes
 
6:19 PM
I wonder why even routers accept de-auth packets of someone who is not even connected with them..it's kind of DDOS attack
 
@user334283 uhm not sure how it works, but if you spoof your mac address to be that of a connected client, there's no way the router knows you're not that client except through packet sequence checks
 
Oh wow, my 7th SU cakeday...
 
user does aireplay or something get you mac addresses of traffic flying around that isn't on your lan?
that would be pretty cool, to see how much wifi radiation is going through your body haha
@Mokubai But 2010 , december 15? that looks wait cakeday? you changed that xD
 
6:24 PM
@Mokubai
 
where's my cake T.T
 
7 candles :)
 
lol..I like how david has pictures for every topic
 
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere You'll get your Yearling next 5/22
 
@user334283 my head hurts thinking about all the wifi radiation
 
6:25 PM
@user334283 google images :)
 
@BenN And @DavidPostill will give me cake and deliver it to my home? :D
 
wifi radiation is not that much harmful
 
I started my sentence with And! I'm a big boy
are you sure? my wifi router is 5 inches away from my feet and Im on the computer 18/7
I think I recently changed transit power to full and uhhhhhhhhh I cant even access the settings anymore cause this router is old and glitched on me
no resetting because I have too much security that takes 2 hours to redo...
thanks for sharing your cake @Mokubai! :)
 
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere even if you were not around with your wifi router the radiation if radio towers would still be there..no change of situation
my regret that I signed up stack exchange with google account..I don't really like my username at all
 
@user334283 yeah but dont you know how transit works? the closer you are the more radiation is penetrating you, since it spams everything in a sphere shape, imagine pointing two lazer beams from a single point at a defined angle, the farther you go the more distance between the beams, the closer you are, you might have both beams shine on you
 
6:31 PM
@user334283 You can change your user name ...
 
@DavidPostill I want to have a name without number
 
yessss just like someone changed their username to AnnaDuh for me because they wanted to be with me.
 
is it possible to change it to my real name without any number or underscore?
 
Ohhhh Anna Duh! ♥
 
@user334283 Try it and see! ;p
 
6:33 PM
I strongly disagree with that idea user, as then you are sharing personal information about yourself with the entire online world
 
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere This is not a dating site. You have been told this several times before ...
 
and Anna Duh is @cat and we all know this
 
the funny part is it prob likes the attention
 
JMG always wanted to remove me so now's his chance
:P okay thanks for letting me know djsmiley but people are not its ! please use the pronoun they
 
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@user334283
 
6:36 PM
@DavidPostill mmmm, delicious cake :)
 
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Then you are lucky that he is asleep.
 
thank you david
 
7:19 PM
@djsmiley2k Because sleep apnea
 
oh right
go nhs, get one
 
Urgh. Remote desktop unresponsive and its svchost.exe using up 1.4GB of RAM
Can't wait till that t hing they said they'd do gets doed
Urgh. JUST when I'm finally over this 3-month long spell of colds, there's three people in the room coughing and sneezing
They're attacking my throat again, I can feel it
@WHATEVERDave Eh, most advanced wireless systems have built in IDS that would flag these sorts of things up pretty easily
@user334283 Looks like you don't quite understand what a DDOS is
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere It would by definition have to have the target device's MAC, otherwise it wouldn't work
!!tell 33873268 thatword
 
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere 802.11w.
 
@Annaduh so 2 weeks ago there was some pooping bug, this week there's a sickness bug
i think this is how the world will end.
 
@djsmiley2k As in, diseases?
That's basically a pre-zombie-apocalypse
But yeah, last week we had an event with 39 people signed up and about 10 turned up, with the other 29 complaining of flu-like symptoms
 
 
2 hours later…
9:21 PM
omg, this is awesome
I'm writing a plugin for TeamSpeak 3.1 in C++11 to help a deaf person: whenever someone says something, it will encode it in FLAC on the fly and submit it to Google's Cloud Speech API to have it recognize the text... and print it out for the user to see... might also implement client-side text to speech, where the user can type something into chat and a TTS engine renders it to audio and "mics up" to say it
going to make it open source... my code is SO GOOD... how did I get this motivated (and how did I get this good at C++?)
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I'm using Qt 5.6, libgrpc++, googleapis, QtAv, protocol buffers, the Teamspeak 3 Plugin SDK, all in unison
it's amazing... this is so much fun
and the speech recognition will iteratively improve over time as Google improves their training dataset to accommodate for noise, encoding loss, accents, etc.
 
@allquicatic Hey, that's fantastic. How 'real-time' can you make it?
 
9:37 PM
@DavidPostill There's a tradeoff between "real-timeness", accuracy, and cost, unfortunately. Each time you call the Speech API, it rounds up your audio time to the nearest second, and charges you based on the number of seconds of audio you submit. Also, if you use their "Streaming" API, it can actually go back and correct the audio it previously recognized to be more precise, like (for example) Siri does. But that introduces complexity into the UI.
 
@allquicatic Ah. I didn't know you have to pay for the Google's Cloud Speech API.
 
I have chosen the worst approach for latency but the best approach for cost and accuracy, by waiting until the user stops "keying up" their mic, then buffering all of that audio and submitting it.
 
Seems reasonable.
 
It's $1.44 USD per hour if it's on 24/7, but I only submit audio to Google when someone is actually talking in TeamSpeak
 
How will you handle the cost? Who will pay?
 
9:39 PM
and when they "key down" (stop talking) I wait 2 seconds to make sure they have nothing else to add on, because some people will press, say a few words, let go, think for 0.25 sec, then start talking again
I'll eat the cost at first. I'm expecting that the cost might go down or I might be able to convince Google to give me reduced fees or no fees if I explain the good intentions of my usage, but that's a gamble
 
Have you thought about asking Google if they will waive the charges as it's for deaf people?
 
our community is only active in the US evening prime time, and the specific individual who is deaf is usually online for 2.5 hours max
assuming about half the time she's online people are saying something in teamspeak, that's around $1.50 - $2.00 per day
but that half figure is a very very hard to predict estimate
some days people are "in" teamspeak but nobody will say a word for half an hour, an hour, two hours
 
What is the community?
 
other times people are chatting up a storm, talking over each other (multiple charges per second, ouch), and occupying nearly every free second
@DavidPostill A Star Wars: The Old Republic guild
I'm estimating my monthly fees will be, optimistically around $10/month, or pessimistically as high as $60 or $90 per month
in reality probably somewhere in between
I can handle $30/month for a few months while stabilizing the software and trying to get Google's help (or maybe the community's)
 
Ah. Maybe the deaf person can get some funding from a deaf charity?
 
9:43 PM
I'll monitor her usage and if it gets to be too much I'll talk to her about it
and I'll coach the user to try and help me out by quitting teamspeak when she goes AFK
in a 5 minute AFK while people are talking constantly she could save me like 25 cents by quitting TS
 
Would Teamspeak sponsor what you are doing?
 
I'm going to make the code fully open source, but I'm only giving out the API key to my account that lets the user charge me for it, to this one, specific user
might give it out to some other users who have hearing so they can evaluate / look at the software without having to create their own API key, but will advise them to uninstall after they try it for a few minutes
the folks I give it to will definitely be respectful of my requests to limit the usage
and I can set payment maximums on my Google account to prevent an accidental $1000 bill
I'll probably set the maximum to $50/month but will hope for it to be lower
also, there are literally no good client-side software libraries that recognize speech... speech to text is a much harder problem than text to speech
CMU Sphinx has a very good engine, but no good dataset... the value of Google Speech API is that they have an enormous, continuously improving speech dataset... this is a problem that is dramatically improved by big data and I just don't have the resources to attempt that myself
so yeah, I'm basically stuck having to call a cloud service, because the only speech recognition solutions that are actually pretty accurate are ones that have an enormous dataset to draw on, and building and pruning that dataset takes corporate resources, not individual resources
(I believe they use "OK Google" stuff as feedback to help train their dataset... neural networks etc)
I'm not worried about the cost at this point -- it's low enough that I think there are many different viable ways to manage the cost, either with donations or working something out with Google
and this will REALLY REALLY make this user happy, because she says she'd love to participate in our teamspeak, and feels left out all the time because she doesn't hear what's said in TS, she only sees what we type in-game
 
welp. Just walked out of the local B&M store witb a 500 GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO and a laptop drive enclosure.
 
@bwDraco nice, I have one of that exact SSD (same capacity)
 
Always wanted high-speed external storage.
The combination is more expensive than a dedicated portable SSD, but offers greater flexibility.
What I like about Best Buy is that they'll price-match major online retailers like Amazon and Newegg.
 
9:58 PM
just got another idea... sigh it's going to add some more coding work, but it'll save quite a lot of bandwidth/money
@DavidPostill if I analyze the audio coming out of Teamspeak and have it aggressively remove silence (and set a fairly high gate for what's considered "silence" since people have background noise), it'll be a big savings
 
@allquicatic Well it sounds like a very cool project. Good luck with it :)
 
@DavidPostill Thanks... I'll be sure to link to the code in here once I get to the index.html stage (that's a reference to Apache's "It Works!" index.html that displays when you get your web server configured correctly)
currently learning QtAV's mostly undocumented API by reading the source code
at least Google's RPC service is well-documented
 
10:18 PM
Dammit, lost my receipt in the wind. I'll have to retrieve the invoice online.
It has not yet appeared in my Best Buy account.
 
@bwDraco you're not planning to return it, are you? :P
(it's such a good SSD)
 
...okay, it just came up.
@allquicatic Of course not, unless there's an issue with it. Samsung knows how to make awesome 3D NAND, even if it's TLC NAND.
The 850 EVO is the world's #1 SSD for a reason.
My laptop runs on an 850 PRO, and my upcoming desktop build will probably be getting a 1 TB 960 EVO or 960 PRO (depending on budget).
(the two NVMe drives are separated by a $150 price difference: $630 vs $480)
 
10:37 PM
based on what I know I do, I'm fine with an 850 Pro in my desktop or an 850 EVO in my laptop... no need for the NVMes
 
11:01 PM
AARGH! Enclosure came with bad USB cable!
My (only) other USB 3.0 Micro-B cable works 100% fine with the enclosure.
I'm not in a mood to return this enclosure over a bad USB cable. I'd rather order another one online (I'm woefully short on these).
 
@bwDraco at least make sure to give them a bad review online for sending you a bum cable
others should know that there are quality/consistency problems with the product
 
USb 3, cables and connectors. Iffi at best :(
Own experience: half the time it works.
 
Got an unexpected malicious redirect to wpvsurveys.com, add that to your ad blocker.
This happened on TweakTown, their site might be compromised.
I was away when this happened—my machine may have been compromised.
Firefox is up to date, though. I'm running Firefox Developer Edition 52.0a2, today's build.
Quick question: Does a JS alert stop all script execution?
 
11:29 PM
@bwDraco Yes.
 
Great, thanks. That would have limited the potential for damage because there was an open alert on that tab.
 
actually, if they run the alert in a WebWorker it might not block the UI thread / other JS
 
It's probably just a plain alert. I doubt they're using WebWorkers.
 
that said, WebWorkers are very new and have limited browser support
the chances of criminals knowing to use them is... low
 
At least I kinda thought that was the case from the time I've spent learning JS.
...just ordered two USB 3.0 Micro-B cables from Amazon.
I doubt the machine is compromised. The site is probably more phishing than directly malicious.
Scans are coming up clean so far.
I also have high confidence in Norton.
The domain is extremely obscure but seems to have been around for a few months already. If it was doing something actively malicious, chances are good it would have been stopped by the machine's security.
I've restarted the browser after flushing its cache.
 
11:48 PM
!!fwog
 
That thing has weird anthropomorphic lips.
@allquicatic Me too! And a 1TB version
Speaking of, I think I have two SSDs in my bag I forgot about
@allquicatic Hah, nice project. I might point out that's not the worst case for latency and best for cost. The worst case for latency would be to record all the speech, concatenate it and upload it to a Youtube video, and wait for its closed captioning to do its work :-P
@allquicatic Really? I'd thought there've been plenty for several decades.
 
For some reason, my laptop's USB 3.0 ports tend to drop connections during large, high-speed transfers. Is there an explanation for this? This is not specific to the device: it happens with any USB 3.0 device capable of moving more than 100 MB/s.
 
Ever heard of/used Dragon Naturally Speaking?
It's one that's very well regarded in the world of assistive technologies for hearing impaired.
 
@Annaduh Speech recognition software? Sorry, not familiar with it.
 
11:56 PM
Unlike Google, which "learns" to a generic, best-fit model, Dragon (heck even IBM Via Voice) is calibrated to each specific user's speaking habits, accents, speeds, etc.
And I think even Google's speech recognition engine has some, if not total offline capability
 

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