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7:00 PM
I was interested if I could hack my old router after it became obsolete. Found this from someone who tried:
> The Technicolor tc7200 runs linux. Neither Technicolor nor the cable provider (KabelBW) provides the sources for the GPL licenced code. Technicolor does not answer end-customer questions, KabelBW does not answer questions without a customer number (which I will not provide because it is not relevant for the request).
 
If you're trying to make everyone think you're a bot, that's a bad idea. If you're not, stop being so obtuse.
 
@ArtOfCode Firstly, no, I am not trying to do so at all, and secondly, people aren't dumb enough to think that I am.
 
6 mins ago, by The very evil ROFLcopter
Yes, but your responses seem pretty botty
...
 
Or option #3 you need to seriously reconsider the type of words you say in this room
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7:05 PM
@TheBitByte You always gonna rhyme everything with the same phonic?
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Q: Dictionaries are ordered in Python 3.6

Chris_RandsDictionaries are ordered in Python 3.6, unlike in previous Python incarnations. This seems like a substantial change, but it's only a short paragraph in the documentation. It is described as an implementation detail rather than a language feature, but also implies this may become standard in the ...

Hurray ^
 
@mbomb007 how is that a question?
 
@Dennis We're good. Turns out, I had enabled the "Disable Cache" feature of the developer menu. :D
 
@DJMcMayhem Because literally one guy thinks I'm a "bot"? LOL
@mbomb007 What's a "phonic"?
 
No, because you have a long history of annoying the majority of the users in here
 
@TheBitByte No, because it's rude and not aiding the conversation.
 
7:10 PM
If your only contribution to this chatroom is arguing over pointless things for the sake of arguing, while also insulting other users in here, then please take your contribution elsewhere.
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@DJMcMayhem Actually, you have a longer history of insulting the people in this room.
 
@TheBitByte let's not go into mudslinging
 
I thought you guys do "eye for an eye" stuff? I mean, that's what I've noticed.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
 
@TheBitByte [citation-needed]
 
@TheBitByte (1) Who's "you guys"?, (2) "eye for an eye" in what situation, (3) examples?
 
Anonymous
7:13 PM
Alrighty then
 
Anonymous
I guess I'm not allowed to say that I think banning a consistently-problematic user is the right course of action
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Ah.
 
And let's talk about something else, shall we?
 
Companies violating GPL? Actually, there's not much to talk about. It's just sad...
 
7:18 PM
@mınxomaτ Link?
 
18 mins ago, by mınxomaτ
> The Technicolor tc7200 runs linux. Neither Technicolor nor the cable provider (KabelBW) provides the sources for the GPL licenced code. Technicolor does not answer end-customer questions, KabelBW does not answer questions without a customer number (which I will not provide because it is not relevant for the request).
 
Yeah, GPL gets trampled quite often.
 
@Geobits I was actually suprised about my TP-Link gear. Not only did they recompile OWRT for me, they also specifically put phone numbers and contact details for getting the GPL code everywhere important.
 
Anonymous
You can probably get the ACLU to make a case
 
7:20 PM
I changed the metric of Zalgo, the chatbot is up here if you want to test it
 
Anonymous
Or the EFF/FSF
 
I think the CCC (w/ EFF) is preparing something related to that.
kinda ninja'd ._.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

aTastyT0astBest cruise control options to use code-golf arithmetic A cruise control has 3 different options to move the handle to set the speed you want to drive with. Towards you: Adds 1 speed. Upwards: Increase speed to the next multiple of 10 (e.g. 20-->30, 32-->40) Downwards: Decrease speed to the...

 
@El'endiaStarman How about politics? That's a nice, stable, low-key topic. :D
 
Anonymous
 
@TimmyD Yeah, with such down-to-earth candidates and the comprehensive worldwide peace right now.
 
politics.se has been really weird lately.
 
Anonymous
I'm not sure how I feel about the new SO Developer Story pages. They seem too Facebook-y.
 
I gave up on caring about SO at all.
 
Huh, politics SE is a thing
 
7:22 PM
@TheveryevilROFLcopter A very debated thing.
 
I've got a meager 500 there
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Huh, why did that ping me
 
@mınxomaτ ?
 
It pinged me for some reason.-
 
@mınxomaτ Yes, I understood that, but I wonder why.
 
7:23 PM
Dunno. That was a genuine question.
 
Also, one of my friends is using your Win8 Linux subsystem patch. :D
 
I don't think so, since the Win8 version isn't even released yet.
 
drat. i always miss the chance to troll the trolls
 
? Are you sure? I might've misunderstood him, but he mentioned you and Linux subsystems in Windows.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE The WSL is a Windows 10 feature.
 
7:25 PM
@Poke What do you mean? I'm right here :D
 
alwsl supports Windows 8, but not even the beta testers have that version yet.
 
:D!
 
@mınxomaτ That's probably the reason, then. :P Sorry.
Must've remembered the number wrong.
 
@paulcbetts @wget42 alwsl now stable on Windows 8.1. Other test following and blog update coming soon, but here's a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/782920823078256640
But Win8(.1) is looking good so far.
 
Oh, Agda look like a cool programming language
 
7:29 PM
Have you posted that before? It looks familiar.
 
> of, relating to, or producing sound
 
@mınxomaτ Think you'll ever get a windowed desktop environment to work? (or is that not related at all)
 
@TheBitByte I nouned it.
 
ಠ_ಠ The Agda interactive mode only work with emacs
 
@TheveryevilROFLcopter glhfdd
 
Uninstalling it
 
@TheveryevilROFLcopter you get arch installed?
 
No, I gave up at partitioning
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Huh what? That firefox window is powered by arch.
 
7:33 PM
@mınxomaτ I understand that, but would alwsl ever be extended to that?
 
> Agda is a total language, i.e., each program in it must terminate...
 
msdos it's a Linux install. I think you're doing a thing wrong :P
 
so it's not Turing-complete?
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE I don't know what you mean?
 
7:33 PM
msdos means the mbr partition table layout
 
@PhiNotPi No, it's not
@Agda ಠ_ಠ for emacs ಠ_ಠ for non-TC and ಠ_ಠ for having two ಠ_ಠ
 
@mınxomaτ As in, would you consider implementing a way to make a window with a desktop environment inside as powered by Arch?
 
# parted /dev/sda
mktable msdos
mkpart 4M 100% ext4
q
 
(that's a terrible way to phrase it, I apologize)
 
# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
 
7:34 PM
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Why? Windows is the DE. There is no linux involved here. It's just the Windows kernel that now supports linux binaries.
 
# mkdir -p /mnt/boot
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev Stop now. Anyone interested in it can look it up.
 
@mınxomaτ You can use lxde with the thing
ok, sure
 
@mınxomaτ I'm asking for the sake of full VM-like capabilities. My point is a bit misguided in that regard. :P
 
Asking if one can use another DE with WSL is a perfect sign that it is not understood what WSL is. The linux equivalent would be asking why WINE draws no Windows desktop.
 
7:36 PM
@mınxomaτ but... it does
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Windows 10 has Hyper-V VMs for that.
 
@mınxomaτ I had figured as much.
 
there's an option in the configuration to draw a windows desktop.
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev But it's equally useless and redundant.
 
Reasons to use a DE with WSL:
 
7:37 PM
@DmitryKudriavtsev I think the point is that it's not the main intention of the application.
 
- You want to use graphical applications.
- You want to use a Linux DE without installing Linux proper.
- Proof of concept.
- Development.
 
You'll get an emulated DE with horrible performance. If you want to use a linux DE, use Hyper-V, that's what it's for.
 
Hyper-V is a VM. This is sort of like Wine.
If I don't want to dedicate some portion of my resources to a VM...
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev Congrats! You just showed that you have no idea what WSL is supposed to do. You can use graphical apps without installing yet another DE. Windows has a DE!
WSL uses the Windows DE
 
umm.
WSL has no built in X server
 
7:39 PM
@DmitryKudriavtsev X servers are not DEs.
 
You need to use Xming or somesuch to use the graphical capabilities, and Xming has no built in DE. It just shows the root window
That's why you woudld use a DE
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev And no, Hyper-V is pretty much the opposite of Wine. The linux equivalent of Hyper-V is Xen.
 
I did not say that Hyper-V was like Wine.
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev WINDOWS has the DE. You just need to install Xming (or VcxSrv). Windows will be drawn by Windows. You do not need to install a DE. Windows has a DE.
 
I said that it is a VM; also, that WSL is like Wine. Those statements were nto linked.
@mınxomaτ I installed Xming. It shows a blank X root window. Graphical applications are shown without borders and with no GTK theme, exactly as they look on a Linux system without a DE.
Installed LXDE. Started it. It's pretty great.
 
7:43 PM
@DmitryKudriavtsev Because Windows GDI is used by Xming, and not GTK.
 
Except that applications are compiled against GTK
 
I am writing a CJam interpreter in Haskell
 
@TheveryevilROFLcopter (good luck have fun don't die)
 
Haskell is actually pretty easy
 
@mınxomaτ
 
7:50 PM
@DmitryKudriavtsev I believe he has decided to change/end the subject.
 
I get it
 
Would someone please refresh my profile? I have adjusted my image to fit the season.
 
I don't see any change
 
@TheveryevilROFLcopter Look at my PPCG profile.
 
No change
The avatar is the same
 
7:57 PM
Lol forgot to hit save.
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One more refresh
@VTCAKAVSMoACE There are times where I wish for stars and times which I do not. This is the latter.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Nice, it kinda looks like the jack-o'-lantern is wearing a hat.
 
@TimmyD yaaas
 
@MartinEnder Can you or another mod look up if there's a (possibly deleted) meta question?
 
Wait now I understand why you said me 'good luck' for the CJam interpreter
 
@MartinEnder This user in this answer and several others seems to be doing something with macros that I don't think is allowed, since there is no special interpreter. I'm sure there was a meta question about it, and this user may have been the asker and deleted it.
 
7:59 PM
I don't know how to keep the state of the interpreter.....
 
@TheveryevilROFLcopter Dump the memory, load it back directly. That totally won't be a problem at all.
 
@mbomb007 Oh I remember that :/
 
@Geobits Yeah, but I can't find the conversation we had, or the meta question.
I think he may have been the asker and deleted it...
I don't think I have the rep to see deleted meta Q's
 
@mbomb007 PPCG is not yet graduated entirely, you only need 2K
 
8:01 PM
The main problem isn't seeing deleted meta Q's, but searching them.
 
@mbomb007 This? Or this?
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Nah. Now I think the chat convo is all we had.
 
I think so too.
 
I may have been thinking about the "mouse I/O" meta question.
@Geobits Thanks. I couldn't find that.
So do we need to go delete his macro answers? I looked through a bunch of his answers. I think there are at least five.
I downvoted some.
 
8:04 PM
@mbomb007 Isn't the consensus that they are allowed?
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE No. Essentially, it's a language that he made up, without its own interpreter.
 
@mbomb007 But it has its own interpreter. He defined the macro.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE If there's some publically available interpreter/compiler, then they're allowed.
 
How to while loop in Haskell?
 
A language has to use its own interpreter. So if he specifies a macro, there must be an interpreter that takes his post-macro'd code, and runs it
 
8:05 PM
@mbomb007 Also, if that's the case, link them to the Metalang post.
@mbomb007 ooooic
 
> This list may not reflect recent changes
@mbomb007 (this might get marked as serial downvoting)
 
Fun fact: For his most recent answer, he even added a B to his usual macro :/
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Relevant
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8:14 PM
@Geobits Would you mind refreshing my profile so I can show off my spoopy new profile image?
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE If I can do that, I have no idea how. But I think it's a mod thing.
 
@Geobits Oh, is italics a room owner and bold a mod?
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Keep calm and trust in the eleven.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Mods are blue (da ba dee)
 
Mods are blue btw.
 
8:16 PM
Ninja'd by thaaaaat much.
 
@Dennis I see that now.
Ohhh man it's so spoopy
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Meh. It's just a few answers. They all deserve downvotes, anyway.
Besides, while looking through his answers, I saw a couple good ones, and gave an upvote on them.
 
Fairly sure it'll still get counted. I know I've had four reversed, and possibly three.
Though if they get deleted I'm not sure it'll matter.
 
@Geobits None of my dv's are gone.
 
It only runs once a day IIRC
Or you mean old ones? I meant if you'd downvoted them all today.
 
8:21 PM
No today.
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Your new profile image reminds me of Markiplier's recent pumpkin carving.
 
What's the typical policy for a user who frequently ignores the rules of answers?
@mbomb007 Missing eyebrows.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Covered by the hat.
 
@mbomb007 Fair enough.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE I'm not sure. After repeated warnings, I assume it's spam or insubordination of some sort.
 
Insubordination is not a word that fits in that sentence. :P
It's way too military-like.
 
8:23 PM
In a sense, the meta consensus is our constitution.
 
@mbomb007 o-o
 
It has a terrible amendment process then :P
 
@Geobits At least we don't have to argue what it means.
Not very often anyway.
 
I thought that was like meta's whole thing ;)
 
at least the king can see all of it without his glasses
 
8:26 PM
"What's a language?" "What's input?" "What's objective?"
 
@Geobits No, the meta is for arguing about non-meta. When you argue about the meta, you need a .
 
@mbomb007 TNB?
 
(meta-)+meta
 
@TimmyD Pretty sure that needs an additional meta layer too.
 
There aren't chatrooms specific to the meta site, are there?
 
8:29 PM
wait was there another suspension?
 
Yeah, why?
 
just wanted to catch up.
 
MetAteM
 
@TimmyD That would be much more satisfying if e or E properly mirrored.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ETHproductionsJust like magic code-golf kolmogorov-complexity Nowadays, the word "abracadabra" is used mostly in connection with magic tricks. The original purpose of the word had more to do with superstition, and some doctors used it to make lethal diseases go away by writing it in a triangle1, like so: ...

 
@Geobits MetaƚɘM
 
@Geobits MetAtəM
 
Ninja'd!
Booyah
 
Metatem?
 
@NewSandboxedPosts and it's like maaaaaagic
 
8:32 PM
@mbomb007 Totally not, because I used a different char than you
 
@TimmyD But mine is actually accurately mirrored.
 
Would be better if the first t was also changed. Or the second, well, looked like a mirrored t
 
Just use ł instead.
 
CMC: given n, output the n'th iteration of the MetAteM sequence. It goes 1 --> 'MetA', 2 --> 'MetAteM', 3 --> 'MetAteMetA', 4 --> 'MetAteMetAteM' etc.
 
8:33 PM
Totally says "MetalsM"
 
The a needs uppercasing as well for a mirrored word.
 
Hey guys
I need 2 upvotes on any of my questions/answers
 
@Geobits Job for you
 
Geobits, you know what to do.
._.
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev What for?
 
8:34 PM
Please don't beg for upvotes. It doesn't work
 
750 rep, privileges
 
Mwahahaha
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev So? Privileges aren't super important.
 
pls dont downvote :(
 
@Geobits /me spies downvotes
 
8:35 PM
I know, I'd just like to get to a milestone
 
You'll get it tomorrow or sometime later.
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev Write a challenge! Best way to proactively get rep
 
...tomorrow?
cant think of anything
 
@DJMcMayhem basically adding etA and teM alternatively?
 
If you get more upvotes.
@DJMcMayhem True. But I don't like rep-farming. It takes a lot of work to write a good challenge.
 
8:36 PM
@ConorO'Brien yeah, pretty much
 
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Q: Split a list in chunks of n size without using "if-else" structures

Loïc Faure-LacroixMake a function that take a list and a number and output the same list splitted in chunk of n size. Some restrictions: Do no use if/else statements and use native functions as much as necessary. For example: [1,2,3,4,5,6], 2 => [[1,2], [3,4], [5,6]] [1,2,3,4,5,6], 3 => [[1,2,3], [4,5,6]] [1,...

pffff
 
@mbomb007 did you guys find it in the meantime?
 
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Q: Split a list in chunks of n size without using "if-else" structures

Loïc Faure-LacroixMake a function that take a list and a number and output the same list splitted in chunk of n size. Some restrictions: Do no use if/else statements and use native functions as much as necessary. For example: [1,2,3,4,5,6], 2 => [[1,2], [3,4], [5,6]] [1,2,3,4,5,6], 3 => [[1,2,3], [4,5,6]] [1,...

 
@mbomb007 Well yeah, obviously write a good one. I don't consider that rep-farming
 
@MartinEnder Yeah, I don't think there was a meta question specific to it. This was the convo: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/66708/…
 
8:38 PM
I see
 
@DJMcMayhem I only meant that I don't like doing something simply for rep. Focusing on gaining rep just to gain it ruins the process of gaining it.
 
@DJMcMayhem PowerShell, probably golfable -- param($n)((-join(,"MetA"+(2..$n|%{('teM','etA')[$_%2]}))),'MetA')[$n-eq1]
 
@NewMainPosts I'm not even sure how if/else would help do this better than simple loops. Unless he meant no conditionals at all, which would rule out common loops.
 
@Geobits Nah, he literally said he could use inline if-else.
 
Why do Ruby even allow defining functions with a keyword as name?
irb(main):001:0> def def
irb(main):002:1> end
=> :def
irb(main):003:0> ???
irb(main):004:0* ?
irb(main):005:0* ???????
irb(main):006:0* <disaproval face>
irb(main):007:0* plz stahp
(irb):4: warning: invalid character syntax; use ?\n
(irb):5: warning: invalid character syntax; use ?\n
SyntaxError: (irb):4: syntax error, unexpected '?'
(irb):5: syntax error, unexpected '?'
(irb):7: syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting keyword_do or '{' or '('
        from C:/Ruby23/bin/irb:11:in `<main>'
 
8:41 PM
cuz ruby
you can also make an array of lambdas
 
@DmitryKudriavtsev This is actually normal
 
@DJMcMayhem J, 40 bytes. It's not too good with recursion :/
 
'M'"_`(>@(('teM';'etA'){~2&|),~$:@<:)@.*
@TheveryevilROFLcopter you truly are a very evil roflcopter
 
8:45 PM
(1) it's not funny. (2) you describe yourself as such...
 
vim's Ruby syntactic coloration is really borked
Adding a comment totally bork the coloration
 
Am I wrong in saying that codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/95952/… isn't going to be salvagable and I shouldn't feel bad if I stop responding?
 
no, I think it's rather far gone
 
Alright, thanks. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be unnecessarily rude if I just abandon that OP.
 
@DJMcMayhem Vitsy, 19 Bytes: "AteMM"OW\[v:ZYvr] Try it online!
In verbose mode (397 bytes):
toggle double quote;
push inverse cosine of top;
push inverse tangent of top;
push 14;
modulo top two;
modulo top two;
toggle double quote;
output top as character;
STDIN;
repeat next instruction set top times;
begin recursive area;
save top as temporary variable;
clone current stack;
output stack as chars;
remove current stack;
save top as temporary variable;
reverse stack;
end recursive area;
 
8:55 PM
wait why are the characters within strings still counted as thingies?
 
@ConorO'Brien Because it's still a valid instruction if the quote ends itself.
 
ahh true
 
(i.e. 'rd3*Z)
 
@DJMcMayhem PowerShell v2+, 60 bytes -- param($n)-join(1..$n|%{('Ate','Met')[$_%2]})+('M','A')[$n%2]
55 bytes -- param($n)-join(1..$n|%{('Ate','Met')[$_%2]})+'MA'[$n%2]
 
It's nice to be golfing again. :) I missed Vitsy.
 
8:58 PM
Did you crack the window while you were away?
It's not good behavior to leave a doggo in the hot car all alone.
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@TimmyD r u kiddin me lad (ง ͠° ͟ ͡°)ง
 
:D
 

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