« first day (826 days earlier)      last day (2674 days later) » 

00:03
@Miniman if you do hypothetically play it, I warn you that there are a couple of really annoying puzzles in the game that have to be done to progress
@trogdor Annoying, or difficult?
annoying and slightly difficult
Oh well, if I get really stuck, I'll ask you for hints XD
there's a one near the start that really should be simple, but the puzzles I mean (including it, but it still shouldn't be too bad) that basically involve reflexive action from you, not actual "solving" of a puzzle
there are still actual puzzles in it
some of which you don't HAVE to do, others that you do
and who knows, maybe you will like some of the reflexive action ones, most of the ones save ONE of them are tolerable to me
When you say reflexive action, do you mean like Quick Time Events?
00:08
not exactly
no in fact
they are,... real weird, but the worst one involves you pressing a button a certain number of times and listening for a faint sound
and then stopping
@trogdor So more like dancing minigames in the Zelda series?
sorta
not sure I got those
which Zelda(s) do you mean?
the worst thing about the worst one is, the best case scenario is you only have to do it one or maybe two times
@trogdor They were in both Oracles games, but now that I think about it they might not have been anywhere else.
the worst case scenario is you have to succeed at it at least three times to be safe
or possibly more than that if you really mess up the thing you are doing the minigame for
but I suggest, that when you get to that part you just look up a walk through for it specifically
unless you are just using one through the whole game, which is fine
@trogdor I try not to do that, but I'll see how I go.
00:14
yeah, you can definitely play through most if not all of the game without one
and of course, if/when you hypothetically get to playing it, I will gladly answer any questions you have
you might miss some cool loot and some of the Dragon Genes cause it's your first time running through the game, but who knows, if you look hard enough you could still find them all yourself too
I will help as much or as little as you ask if it ever comes up XD
00:40
there is one point in the game in which an NPC will give you all the instructions that you need to do the next thing you need to do, he will also tell you to write it down AND write it down for you
do not use what he wrote down
what he tells you is good, and you can get him to repeat it, but what he wrote down is wrong
that is just about the only part of the game that I consider to be literally unfair
though at least they do technically tell you to write it down for yourself too
@trogdor Incidentally, you've encountered the encounter in the swamp, right?
the one where I got to see mr Savant and get a fake artifact?
@trogdor Yep, that's the one.
yeah I saw that
it happened almost as soon as I showed up in the place
man he is scarier than I expected
Just thought I'd check, since I don't know what would happen if you got up to something that's coming fairly soon and hadn't had that yet.
@trogdor His proportions are so comical though.
00:54
they are
but his voice is scary
Yeah, the voice acting is pretty good.
well
many of the NPC's voice acting is
the PC voices are variable at best
In fairness, the PC voices are exaggerated caricatures defined solely by a single personality trait.
this is true
I do love Potions lines though
@trogdor Which voice?
00:57
"do they seriously intend to fight us?" "look a Creature!"
the eccentric one
well, one of those
cause 2 and all
and when someone dies he posits some theory of the afterlife, presumably to make everyone feel less bad that they let a party member die
@trogdor Or maybe to make them feel bad about resurrecting them!
to be fair, I am pretty tickled by pretty much all my PC's
@Miniman possibly, but when Ryu died he said something to the effect of "thanks for getting me out of there"
Nat probably wouldn't like where she goes either (she keeps screaming for the blood of all the things we fight XD), but she hasn't ever died XD
@trogdor That's good, it'd suck to play through the whole game with a voice you find annoying.
yeah
@trogdor Loner-2?
01:03
there are some I am definitely not gonna use
@Miniman possibly?
Wait 'til you see what they say when a PC is last one not dead.
@trogdor It's the sarcastic one.
@trogdor "Sure. I'm itching to something wild and reckless anyway."
@Miniman oooh,... maybe he snuck that one by me XDXDXDXD
@BESW Yep, that's the one.
01:05
@BESW Mctank was when those dang buggy Trynnie patrols pushed me off the tree, but I re loaded last save while she was unconscious XD
@BESW Does it count swallowed PCs for that?
I don't know.
@Miniman swallowers have not gotten anyone in my party yet
they have died too fast so far
@trogdor There's a few monsters who can swallow, but it's not something you'll see very often.
I assume they are one of em though
01:07
Except for [spoiler] and [spoiler], of course.
@trogdor Yep.
also, they seem really really susceptible to paralyze
so that is hilarious
at least, it seems like it fails less often on them than just about anything else I use it on
they don't try to run when they got someone do they?
@trogdor No, although now I'm going to have to try fleeing from one.
I don't suppose they are likely to get away with that seeing as they will likely have taken plenty of hits before that but still
@Miniman for science?
@trogdor Exactly. It's possible that running away would get the party member back, since Swallowed is just a condition that ends when you kill the creature.
So maybe ending the combat would count, if you see what I mean.
lol
other conditions don't end immediately though
but maybe resting afterwards would
01:12
@trogdor Other conditions aren't linked to the monster, though.
But, it's equally possible you'd just have a permanently swallowed party member.
ooooooor they die from it and you suddenly have their body, oooooor you actually have to hunt down the creature again,.... ooooor they just go away forever XD
@trogdor Well, they'd definitely die from it if you didn't heal them all the time.
And presumably you could then resurrect them, because magic.
yep
XD
02:02
I seriously think that time the T'ran attacked me was some kinda weird glitch
@trogdor Nah, I've heard it mentioned before online.
the game must have triggered off of some action I didn't or couldn't take yet, cause they have been cool with me every time I have come back so far
@Miniman but,... I did nothing to trigger this, and when I loaded the same save to see if it would stop, it did
and they are cool with me
how is that not some glitch one way or another?
@trogdor Wait, what? As in, reloading the same save made them not attack you?
did they intend for the T'rang to be able to randomly decide to attack you?
@Miniman yes
@trogdor Ok, that definitely sounds like a glitch.
02:04
exactly
There's is definitely also a thing where the T'Rang can realise that you're working for the Umpani.
I can't think of anything I actually did differently
As far as I know, the Umpani can't make the same realisation.
But that makes sense, because the T'Rang have a spy in the Umpani base, and the reverse is not true.
@Miniman I told the Umpani straight up when they first quized me that I "may have in the past or might in the future harbor sympathies with the T'rang"
@Miniman oh shoot
@trogdor Oops, you didn't know that yet?
02:07
maybe I accidentally let that guy see me,.... but,..... that still doesn't make sense cause I didn't go back there in that save
@Miniman well, they told me they sent a guy to scout, but litterally IN the base? no
@trogdor Yeah, the part where reloading the same save magically fixed it means it's definitely a bug.
@trogdor Sorry...but I'm pretty sure you find that out soon anyway.
@Miniman thing is, I had been hanging out at the T'rang base, not the Umpani base, before they decided I was a spy and attacked me, I had talked to them several times and not gone to the Umpani base
THEN they decided I was a spy the next time I talked to em
@Miniman not a big deal, I figured maybe the scout they sent out might see me going back to the Umpani base at some point
if that happens I guess it means it's all Umpani quests from there
ooor I can reload a save to just stick to choosing the T'rang
@trogdor I don't think that can happen - from memory it's purely based on quest progress.
either of those things works for me, and it isn't a major spoiler or one I didn't anticipate to some degree
@Miniman oh, definitely a glitch then
cause I did like, not many quests for the Umpani yet
latest one I have finished for them is getting the T'rang thing for them, and I was not even done with THAT one before the thing happened
at least as far as I would assume, being that far in the questline for them probably isn't quite suspicious enough
02:52
@Shalvenay quick Q?
@nitsua60 fire away
I think I recall a person or two expressing some interest in Traveller a week or two ago--if I can track it down, mind if I invite them to join us? I don't have an interest in fishing around/broadcasting, but I feel like it'd be nice to follow up (if I can find the person).
@nitsua60 yeah, that'd be more than fine
@Shalvenay Cool. I'll stick with our Sunday night time, then.
 
5 hours later…
08:02
heh, the Umpani idea of covert ops is "capture the flags and kill everything that saw you"
XD
08:33
I'm at the "I'm right by the next plot-relephant zone, but I have to go three zones the other way to get an item I'd really like to have there but don't need" phase.
08:51
currently I am just trying to drop off the T'rang letter to the Mooks
Nice.
there are lots of monsters that just can't help but congratulate me too
Tonight I will run back to Arnika for a bit, then do Marten's Bluff via the Swamp.
they are all weak, but they make it take some time
@BESW via the swamp is how I did it XD
It's the best way, because you drop Myles and pick up RFS-81 in the course of, like, three fights.
08:56
but I am guessing it stopped me from finding that portal room they have?
@trogdor Did you go in through the mine tunnels?
cause there is apparently a mine entrance?
@BESW no
I went straight to Martens Bluff from the swamp itself
Ooh. You went in through the south.
a place called "the mine tunnels" was not "Martens Bluff" and therefore was not where I was trying to go
yep
The Swamp also leads to the mine tunnels, in the northeast.
08:58
yeah, I know
I got RFS there
And if you're persistent and/or lucky and/or observant, the mine tunnels lead to Lower Marten's Bluff.
but when I got him I turned around because it wasn't the place I was looking for
@BESW is going to it through that way the only way to get to that portal room?
I can't remember, but it's definitely the fast/early way.
...though the portal's broken and the only way to fix it early is... non-intuitive and moderately dangerous.
@BESW is there an intuitive way if I just sit tight and do all the T'rang quests?
More so, yes.
09:02
mk
I will just continue going back to Arnika then
Also, you can't get into the portal room without either hostiling the T'Rang or getting the guards killed via random encounter.
(I'm pretty sure, at least)
@Miniman Hence "non-intuitive and moderately dangerous."
And actually it's not the portal room you can't get into, but--bah, it's been way too long for me to remember.
09:17
@Miniman at all?
they don't offer use of it when I have done enough work for them?
09:27
@BESW I remember, but it's a spoiler. And I'm pretty sure you have to go through there to get to the portals.
@trogdor I'm too used to sneaking in there to remember.
@BESW Posted in the spoiler chat, I don't know if it pinged you.
09:56
@Miniman fair enough
 
11 hours later…
21:00
@eimyr Would Jarmski be a good self-name for the language of Jarm if represented by Polish, or are there phonotactics or other rules to pay attention to?
21:18
@Anaphory If there is a place called Jarm the language is almost sure to be called Jarmski.
Cool!
Can you give me Jarmski for “This person does not necessarily speak for me. Please wait here, I will try to find a translator of my choice.”?
The name of the language is usually the same as the adjective pertaining to the place/people's name.
E.g. Język Romski is a language spoken by Romowie (Roma) despite there not being such a place.
wait ,what?
You just mean to use Polish phrases but call it Jarmski?
That's how this LARP runs it.
Oh.
difficult one
"speaking for sb" is not easily translatable
Represent their interests, etc.
21:24
the closest is "mówić w czyimś imieniu" but that is more likely to be spoken when the speaker substitutes in someone's absence
Does it work when being incapacitated or unable to speak the language?
"Nie zgadzam się, żeby ten człowiek mnie reprezentował. Proszę zaczekać, znajdę odpowiedniego tłumacza." = lit. "I disagree with that man representing me. Please wait, I'll find an appropriate translator"
Say, if you were sending someone because you can't come, you'd say "Wysyłam Pana X by mówił w moim imieniu."
Can I have ”Not necessarily agree” instead of explicit “Disagree”? Someone not speaking Jęzik Jarmski would have no idea whether they agree or disagree with the mad representative at their side.
Uh... can you give me some more context?
I assume that you are speaking Jarmski and you need a translator to another language, right?
what is so disagreeable with the current one?
Let me give much more context.
21:29
This is pretty fascinating, but maybe it can go to the Not A Bar?
Oh sorry, sure! Push!
24 messages moved from RPG General Chat
I'm building a book of things someone playing Empire LARP might want to know IC.
One of the things is “Which Empire-foreign language is represented by which European language?”
I thought the way to do that is giving a phrase or two in each of those languages.
And given that Empire is a very political game, the translator someone might give set at your side might represent someone else's interests more than yours.
It would be so much simpler if you asked "hey, eimyr, if Poland was called Jarm, would Polish be called Jarmski in that language?"
You are right, that would have made that bit clear. Was my question that much more convoluted?
21:33
a bit
I missed the part where Jarmski is represented by Polish
anyway
"Z całym szacunkiem, nie jestem przekonany czy ten tłumacz będzie mnie należycie reprezentował. Zaczekajcie nieco, a znajdę tłumacza któremu ufam."
equals "With all due respect, I'm not convinced if this translator will appropriately represent me. Wait a little and I'll find a translator I trust."
Cool :)
Thank you very much!
no worries
I'm happy to help with Polish
oh, and also: it's "język Jarmski"
not jęzik
though I commend you for using proper diacritics
I was about to answer “Dakujem”, but that looks suspiciously more Southern, been ages since I learned basic vocabulary in Polish…
it would be "dziękuję"
out of interest, what made you learn basic polish phrases, if you don't mind?
Ah! That does sound familiar.
General interest in languages, so I pick up every opportunity to learn stuff like that when travelling somewhere, and I've been in Poland a few times.
21:39
Dakujem is in Slovak
huh, where have you been to?
Once to Szczecin,
twice to Zakopane,
once through from North to South, visiting … ehem … Szczecin, Toruń, Warsawa, Kraków, Oswięcim, and likely other places I forget right now
That's very cool
You probably saw more Poland than I did.
Next visit is going to be a conference this September.
have you seen Wrocław?
btw my hometown is not too far away from Oświęcim
I don't think I've been in Wrocław.
21:44
One of the places of interest really, and quite academically interesting too
Conference is in Poznań, and I think it's another place we went through on that choir tour, of which mostly remember odd bits and rarely anything in a recognizeable manner.
ha, my GF comes from there
Kraków is probably the only city you would recognize from what I'm able to describe.
I hope she doesn't hear this, but Poznań is not really that exciting, the old town is very kitsch and the rest is just unremarkable. Also, it doesn't have any interesting topology, as it's squarely in the middle of Polish Lowlands.
… considers cancelling the last hotel night and taking the sleeper train back one night earlier …
21:50
I've quite recently talked to Golokopitenko about marvels of Polish sights, as there are things worth seeing that are rarely visited by foreigners
are you going to Poznań? welp.
What do you mean?
Harumph... Where are you going for your September conference?
Poznań. 46th Poznań Linguistics Meeting.
How appropriate.
I was about to recommend taking a detour to Malbork (biggest brick castle and biggest castle in Europe) or Pszczyna/Białowieża (genuine wild forest bisons)
but that's a bit out of the way.
"Genuine Wild Forest Bisons" sounds like something you'd find on a Japanese T-shirt.
21:58
Noun Place Number shirt
I think on our choir tour, we saw Malbork from afar.
it's like seeing an opera but from the outside
I don't doubt that.
But it might at some point help me figure out where we actually went.
 
1 hour later…
23:19
@trogdor So where are you up to?
I got into the Mook place, but when I tried to take the Chaos Moleri they got mad, and I figured out I could switch it out for the fake Astral Dominae,... but I feel like I am supposed to use that to bait and switch the Savant, not the Mook
@trogdor Nah, you were right the first time.
also, the Mook said something about the Rats that made it click in my mind what to ask em
@trogdor Consider this: an enraged Dark Savant throwing a fake Astral Dominae at you sort of suggests someone else already baited-and-switched him.
mm
mk
23:23
Although I do find it bizarre that the Astral Dominae and the Chaos Moliri are apparently identical.
so that is just another thing about the rats then
cause I went back and got past Milano Calzone
and the Don already told me that they hoodwinked him cause he stiffed them
@Miniman I think that it's actually just them not paying enough attention to it
the Mook strike me as not very interested in something they have already studied or tried to study
@trogdor Well, they have a massive bonus to Senses, so...
they aren't looking at it closely enough when you switch it
"Hey guys, check this out: Those guys just picked up the orb, shoved it in their backpack, then took an orb out of their backpack and dumped it on the pedestal!"
"Eh, it's probably the same one."
They're government salaryworkers, they don't care.
23:28
Alternatively, they're actually glad you did it, since it gives them a new orb to study.
lol
I think they are just not very street smart
Dude, don't diss the Mook.
they have all the sciences covered, but they don't know what a bait and switch is
also, I got the rat key, but it isn't opening the door I thought it would
Find a better, more dramatic door.
2
@trogdor The conclusion I've always come to in the end, based in no small part on the guy who hired you, is that they're interested to observe events on Dominus but don't really take the Ascension seriously.
@BESW Advice to live by.
23:31
but this one is behind a broken really bloody one
more dramatic, really?
Well, at least cleaner.
@trogdor Seriously, that sums up so many dungeons in videogames and RPGs.
there is another door, but it honestly doesn't look like a key would work on it
I guess I will try that one when I get home
@trogdor On the bright side, the Breeders won't be the brutal fight for you that they are for most players.
and that all still leaves the question of the bloody door
@Miniman at this point I will kill them with my look of utter frustrated rage XD
23:37
@Miniman "More like 'Chaos Malarky,' amiright guys?"
@BESW I figure from their POV, the orbs are maps to Dominus and nothing more.
nah, I think they respect the Chaos Moleri for what they have seen it to be, a starmap
@Miniman [throws Dust of Defection at one breeder, casts Insanity on the Rattkin]
I think they are fascinated with that just by itself
@Miniman also, if they wanted me to fight the Breeders faster, they shouldn't have made talking to Calzone so frustrating irritating and such a chore
they had a chat system worked out for the game already, they should have used it for this
@Miniman Your opinion on ninjas, please.
23:40
if they had I would have gotten it right the first time I talked to him
Also, which is better for its capacity as a backup ranged attacker, Samurai or Valkyrie?
@BESW Just in general?
@Miniman Wiz8-specific.
@BESW In terms of class, there's not a lot of difference. The Samurai's usual stat allocation is a bit more favourable for archery, but the Valkyrie has skill points to spare which you can throw at a bow.
The Valk comes out better, I think.
Samurai is already really overstretched on skills.
That's fair.
23:43
@BESW It's only made worse when you unlock spellcasting, too, because the core of the Priest spell book is all in the Divine realm.
yeah, my Valk actually has a better score for that very reason
Ryu is putting no points in it, she is actually putting some in sometimes
@BESW Ok, so, prefix all of this with a lack of experience - I've only tried a ninja once.
The whole faerie ninja thing is overhyped - the weapon is cool, but not really that big a deal.
Auto-penentrate and critical with thrown weapons makes them very reliable, but as you probably know, there's extreme scarcity when it comes to good thrown weapons.
Honestly I think the Faerie Ninja thing isn't so much "look how OP this is." It's more "This shouldn't work AT ALL but look how good it can be!"
As I understand it, those features don't work with a sling, which is a shame, because that would make it an excellent ranged attacker, probably on par with the ranger.
Fairies have like, extra AC just for being small right?
23:47
@trogdor Extra base AC, yeah.
Which is pretty good, actually.
It's the equivalent of having a shield.
but they can't wear many things as armor
except for example, the thing Antone makes for em
@trogdor Yep. It's better in the early game, weaker until you get the custom armor made for them, then about on par with everyone else.
and possibly a few other things that would seem pretty rare to find
@Miniman is that armor usable by any class?
@trogdor I think so?
I just worry because it's called Zyranax PLATE
which might mean you need a fighter or similar heavy class
23:50
@trogdor Usable by all but Ninja and Monk.
@BESW More on ninjas: Ignoring thrown weapons as a possible combat style, they're sort of stuck with Staff & Wand, since they can't use many weapons of most types. Which is where the faerie ninja starts looking good, obviously.
@BESW ah cool
Potion actually can use it then
I "might" have the last ingredient I need for it
@trogdor This list has all the armour in the game and tells who can use it.
@Miniman Bah. I'm thinking about a range-focused party.
@BESW Well, I did talk about thrown a fair bit already :P
Auto-penetrate and critical kills sound nice, but you're right re: the dearth of thrown weapons.
23:52
like, the bullets you mean?
One last note: All of the hybrids are roughly similar in terms of spellcasting, but in the same way that the Priest spellbook is the easiest to make effective on a hybrid character, I think the Alchemy spellbook is by far the hardest.
or also including dynamite and such?
@trogdor Nah, throwing knives and shuriken.
ah yeah, I barely find any of that stuff
@trogdor The Ninja auto-penetrate feature doesn't work with slings. Has to be darts, knives, shuriken, that kind of thing.
23:53
certainly nowhere near enough to kill ALL the things that keep attacking me
@BESW ah, they have a feature like that, go figure
@trogdor Use of those things is governed by the Thrown skill, but they basically cast spells, so things like auto-penetrate and critical don't work for them.
@Miniman I wouldn't worry about that on a ranged-party ninja at all. There'd be a full Alchemist in the back mixing powders and bombs for her to throw.
@BESW It's not a big deal, I just thought I'd mention it.
@Miniman this is a really weird system, but I love it XD
@trogdor I'd really love to actually understand the system.
23:55
same here
I'm looking at Ranger (of course), Gadgeteer (of course), Alchemist and Priest because I'm not sure I can play without them, somebody tanky who can use a bow (Fighter or Valk, probably), and--somebody else ranged.
It's probably too complicated for an RPG, though...
but I am getting closer every time I use it and talk to you guys about it XD
@BESW so you want to kill things without having to walk up to them basically
@Miniman This collection of forum posts has some useful stuff.
@trogdor yeah. Especially since late-game has a lot of guys who don't want to walk up to you.
@BESW And the vast majority of things are far more dangerous in melee.
23:57
@BESW I was concerned that would be the case,.... I am wondering how my party is going to fair at that point
A melee-focused party is technically more powerful, but I'm remembering now that late-game you spend a lot of time walking up to people while they cast debuff spells on you.
@BESW Have you considered another Ranger, one on bows, one on Modern Weapons?
@Miniman What modern weapon would he use? Why not just have another gadgeteer?
@trogdor Once you get into melee you'll be a meat grinder.
@BESW I really hate how that works by the way, it's really one sided on the side of the enemies you run into
You just have to endure a turn or three of slogging up to the caster while they debuff you.
23:59
if they move you don't get free ranged hits, if YOU move they do get free ranged hits in the middle of it
@BESW It sucks at the start, and you'd want to run to the Umpani, but some of the Modern Weapons are actually really good. The Gadgeteer is always using the Omnigun, so there's never any competition for them.
Actually... why not have another gadgeteer? That way they can share the weight of all their awfully heavy junk.

« first day (826 days earlier)      last day (2674 days later) »