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5:08 AM
Mr.Wizard is here finally.
 
@MikeBantegui Not sure. I suppose sufficiently covers "advanced uses"?
 
@JM may be sufficient for matrix and vector. could then get it's own tag.
I just hit the rep cap :) First time ever.
 
@MikeBantegui 'grats.
On the other hand, somebody might make a case for ...
 
@JM I'd reserve that for .
And use for packages in general.
 
@MikeBantegui Reminds me: the renaming of TensorRank[] to ArrayDepth[] somewhat bugs...
 
5:18 AM
Wait those functions exist?
 
But yeah, "lists" and "arrays" are pretty much the same in Mathematica.
Well, TensorRank[] was renamed in version 6.
I don't quite understand why.
 
If they're going to use the whole "List" terminology, ListDepth[] would've been better.
 
Hmm, apparently TensorRank[] still exists, but it doesn't have a usage message anymore.
 
I mean we have Length, for the number of items at the first level of a list. Dimensions for the size of each level of a list, and ArrayDepth for the number of full lists that are nested.
@JM They may have (internally) aliased it to ArrayDepth[]
 
@MikeBantegui Likely, yes.
 
5:21 AM
Ding! Just got awarded Mortarboard.
 
If you really want to talk about grandfathers: I'm surprised Release[] still exists.
I think that was deprecated around version 2...
 
What was Release used for?
 
Basically it was the chimera of Evaluate[] and ReleaseHold[].
Version 2 split up Release[] into those two functions we know today.
 
Wait what? What use could that have?
 
Essentially, Release[] was doing multiple duties back in the day. They decided wisely to split functionality.
(The first edition of Maeder's book devoted a section to clever uses of Hold[] and Release[].)
 
5:24 AM
It just seems a terrible idea to have the functionality of Evaluate and ReleaseHold in the same function.
 
It was realized too late, I reckon.
Other renaming mishaps: Trace[] used to be Debug[]. It ought to be fine, but when they made the matrix trace a built-in function, they now had to use the symbol Tr[] for it. Yech.
 
In retrospect, it makes sense to simply deprecate and then keep the symbols in the system. Any legacy code that exists still works. But I'd keep the deprecation warning on it honestly.
@JM The one advantage there is Tr(A) is used in mathematics.
Did you notice the "black out" on Wikipedia?
It's not a real black out because you can get around it by disabling JavaScript.
 
Also the Accumulate[] of version 1 functions way differently from today's Accumulate[]. So much for the claim of "old code will still more or less work in new versions."
@MikeBantegui Oh, it was a real big banner on there yesterday. SOPA's a really bad thing...
@MikeBantegui I suppose, it is after all consistent with Det[]... but then you have MatrixRank[], but just plain NullSpace[]...
Segue: I don't know... isn't a slightly more flexible tag than ?
I am considering retagging this
Before I forget: good call on , you guys.
 
>old code will still more or less work in new versions.
Who said that? I'd like to smack him.
 
5:40 AM
@David Somewhere in the Mathematica book. Well, Wolfram is sorta kinda nuts, so... :D
 
Funny enough, the annoying rewrites I had to do were when switching from 4.
 
Heh. Going from five to six was a bit of a shock for me, I'd say.
For a while I persisted on using five even when most other people were raving about six. It felt to me that they put everything including the kitchen sink in the new version.
...and thus it would bring my barely-managing computer to its knees.
 
Oh was 5-6 the big change? When DisplayTogether was removed and stuff?
Especially with the new interpolation handling plots were incredibly slow sometimes, some people still complain about that haha
 
Well, yeah. The biggest surprise for me was the adaptive surface plotting.
 
D'oh. I disabled JS and forgot to reload this page after I re-enabled it.
@JM I'd say those two tags are fairly distinct.
 
5:45 AM
@MikeBantegui :D
 
(Speaking of JavaScript, have a look at how Wikipedia is "blacked out")
 
@David I referenced that earlier :) That's why I disabled it. I had to look up something.
 
Oh, and I thought I had discovered something.
Good thing there's no SOPA in Germany, so that one stays online without funny barriers.
 
@David No you did, independently. Apparently this was also posted some 10 hours earlier as well (forgot where).
 
Didn't the block start 45 minutes ago?
 
5:46 AM
@David Yep.
I wish people would stop upvoting me, I'm not getting any of them :(
 
@MikeBantegui now, mathematics is the best field to discover the same thing independently years apart. People are nice enough to credit you
any other field, you die.
 
@yoda Oh god I'm on the floor right now.
 
@yoda tell that to the hungarian guy who discovered complex numbers a couple of years too late
 
On the topic of SOPA, this is very funny: smbc-comics.com
 
@David *shrug* Okay, I do use "Argand diagrams" and not "Wessel diagrams"...
 
5:49 AM
Is it general SOPA day today?
Or did everyone just follow the Wiki thing
Oh wow, list of multiple discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_discoveries
 
@David Yes
Today is the only day I have Firefox and Internet Explorer open simulataneously.
 
@David Don't forget Stigler's law.
 
haha
Is that the one that deals with naming laws?
 
I keep forgetting the names of those joke laws
 
5:51 AM
I knew I wouldn't have the patience to fiddle with JS and all that, which is why I opened all 5-10 tabs of wiki articles that I would need for tomorrow. Now if only I can plan the rest of my stuff in advance...
 
@David That's it. The law applies to itself, too. IIRC somebody came up with it before Stigler...
 
That's a rather ostentatious claim
 
@MikeBantegui Again: Wolfram's sorta kinda nuts. :D
I do remember chuckling on that when I was reading the Mathematica book out of boredom...
 
@JM You know, the first time I read about him I thought he was slightly.. uh, eccentric, if you will.
 
@yoda There's NoScript, or if you've generally enabled JS then you might want to have a look at YesScript, which is pretty much the opposite (forbidding certain pages, allowing per default)
 
5:55 AM
@David Then for us too lazy to install plugin, we open IE and turn off JS in security settings :)
 
IE has security settings?
 
I'm chuffed. All my questions are "Nice Question"s... :D
@David I know you're kidding, but... :)
 
You misspelled "serious".
:P
 
@David Sorry, I meant to say "Ha ha only serious" settings.
 
It does, but it's about as useful as a seatbelt on a stationary bicycle, last I checked...
 
5:58 AM
@JM No, it's more useful than that! It's quite more like putting a plastic bag over your head before stepping out into a vacuum.
 
@JM You just won the nicest comparison of the month award
 
@JM: I'm jealous of your "All nice questions"
 
@MikeBantegui Don't be. I'm jealous of your "Mortarboard" myself...
Actually I still have a few more questions in the pipeline, but I need to figure out how to ask 'em properly.
 
@JM I'm upset I got it as fast as I did. I wish I logged on earlier today.
The minute I got it, I had like 6 upvotes in a row.
 
@JM Right, we have to be responsible in the beta ...
 
6:02 AM
Hmm, 128 users and counting. How many before private beta ends...
@David Agreed, "best foot forward" and all that. That'll show them for closing the earlier proposal...
 
@JM When was that?
 
@JM Don't forget, we're the fastest proposal to launch from initial commitment.
 
@MikeBantegui I'm not forgetting; I'm reveling in it actually... :D
 
@JM We've got quite a number of accomplishments actually.
 
To be honest I can't imagine a closed beta with 100 active people can get over the 15 questions a day over a longer period, but I might be wrong since it's my first SXC beta
 
@MikeBantegui Szabolcs is the worst hit. Check his reputation tab and expand on all the votes... poor chap's missing out on 20 upvotes.
But on the bright side, all those answers are upvote fodder, meaning they'll continue to earn upvotes
 
@JM Uh, not even commitment phase? What went wrong? Or better: what went right this time?
 
@David Oh, it got to commitment. Then it was closed as an "SO dupe". Yech.
 
@David Politics basically.
 
Let's see how this develops. I mean Mathematica is nowhere as big as other boards, say TeX and such.
 
6:08 AM
@David long story short, the first mma proposal was created when there was no community – just a couple of users here and there using it. Slowly we started growing and SO had a nice community built up and are interested in the proposal. Then they slam it shut for no reason and give silly reasons like "had the marks of early death" written on it, and all other bogus drivel. Users get enraged and start a new proposal to throw pie in SE's face
 
When I saw how fast the new commits were coming, it felt like a virtual nose-thumbing... :)
 
@JM and that over the break!
 
@yoda "enraged" is sorta kinda mild, methinks...
@yoda High fives for everybody! :D
 
@JM Upvotes for everybody ;)
 
@MikeBantegui (except when they're capped)
 
6:10 AM
So the plan right now is filling the site with hardcore Mathematica questions and then getting a lot of users from search engines?
I was kind of surprised this started as a private beta in the first place
 
@David that's how they all start
 
@David Pretty much. We need lots of good questions asking about real world problems.
 
@David "Private beta" is par for the course.
 
even Stack Overflow started with a private beta
 
The idea is that we're building something nice for people to see when it finally goes public.
 
6:12 AM
Is the concept that a lot of expert questions is great marketing?
I mean many of what's usually asked is veeery specific
 
@David It's not that you want expert questions, so much as you want expert answers.
 
I suppose, but I've found that concepts used in a specific instance often turn out to be useful in something unrelated you're working on months later...
 
@David it's more like users will enter and ask something and not be turned away by a ghost town if there's prior content on the site. In addition, you also want them to like what they see, so there's the need for good content.
 
I see.
 
You want people to say: "wow, these nifty questions are getting answered! maybe I'll try mine..."
 
6:15 AM
@JM This was the mindset I was in when I asked my question on SO.
What we need is high quality content (answers and questions), friendly environment, and high answer ratio.
You don't want people to come to the site and see questions not getting answered.
 
Hooray, my first nice answer.
 
@David Link?
 
11
Q: What is the distinction between DownValues, UpValues, SubValues, and OwnValues?

rcollyerWhen reading through the documentation, you often encounter the phrases DownValues, UpValues, SubValues, and OwnValues. I am trying to understand the distinction between the four of them, and how, for a given Symbol, I can use them. Also, are they processed differently internally?

 
That's an example of exactly what we're looking for. Good answers that fully explain the question.
 
Another thing to consider: are we going to allow code golf questions?
(Nothing yet, but just in case...)
 
6:24 AM
I don't think that's a good idea.
 
Well, I'm strongly opposed to it
 
I mean there's a CodeGolf site already.
Also I can hardle see soeone learning something from a code golf question.
 
If the guy phrases it as "is there a 'better' way to do xxx ...", it's still essentially a code golf bit, no?
 
Well, "is there a better way to do X" could mean cleaner code or faster code or lucid code... as long as it doesn't mean shortest code, I think it should be ok
 
Good point.
Wow, somebody already has "Vox Populi"...
 
6:29 AM
must be mike...
 
@JM :) Lots of good answers, it's hard to not vote.
I didn't just "randomly" vote, just sort of happened.
 
Okay, I'll try asking my fourth question, but I need a bit of help with composing...
...anybody who's also familiar with MATLAB?
 
yup
 
@JM I'm about to get it too. I've done 40 votes today.
 
yoda: you know gallery(), right?
 
6:39 AM
yeah
 
I sort of want to write a new curated data function that's an analog of that. Let's call it MatrixData[] for this instance.
I'm not sure how to better phrase "is there a systematic way to write a curated data function, with all the properties and such?"
 
Are you looking for references or something of the sort for those matrices?
oh I see.
 
@yoda Nah, I have refs and then some.
My current setup is that I wrote a Mathematica function corresponding to each gallery() entry.
 
y'know, I had a question that I've been meaning to ask for a long time. I floated it in chat and Brett said that he wished mma had that functionality from MATLAB
It's basically the ability to control your number of output arguments.
I haven't used gallery, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had different output args based on the inputs used
 
@yoda Yeah, that's a really nifty feature of MATLAB.
 
6:44 AM
So perhaps an answer to that might be a small piece of your puzzle
 
@yoda Yeah, I was envisioning something like MatrixData["Clement"][6] would correspond to gallery('clement',6), for instance. And then you could also do something like MatrixData["Clement", "SingularValues"][6].
('cause for a lot of those matrices, they have explicit decompositions, eigenvalues, singular values...)
My current setup's got way too many functions.
 
Perhaps options might be cleaner? MatrixData[dim1, dim2,..., MatrixType -> "Clement", OutputType->"SingularValues"]
 
So, I don't know what's a better question: "how do I systematically write a curated data function?", or "can you make a curated data function out of a bunch of separate routines?"...
 
and in line with mma's style
 
Hmm. But none of the curated data functions do options, right?
 
6:49 AM
@JM I think both have their merits. The first is useful if you haven't started out and the second if you already have written functions for them
I would ask both questions, if I were you
but perhaps pace them to maximize both upvotes and interest...
 
Okay. I guess I need to mull on this a bit more. Thanks for the help!
 
@JM no, I don't think so. It was a suggestion if you're implementing it, but I honestly do not know if there's an advantage to either
for example, I've been thinking of porting some signal processing algorithms from MATLAB to mma, but am not sure which approach to use
 
@yoda Dunno. Consistency? I used options (and FilterRules[]) heavily in my current setup.
 
MATLAB's use of varargin and varargout make it extremely versatile in that regard
@JM fair enough.
 
@yoda Probably the nearest thing to varargin is something like f[a_, b_:10] := ...and all the other arcane ways to do optional arguments.
 
6:56 AM
@JM umm... meh :) I dunno, it was something I used to think about at first, but I never do these days. MATLAB's "function" is more of the 'handy script I can reuse' kind, whereas I see mma's functions as closer to the mathematical concept. If I don't know what a function's input is, I'm now lost :)
I can generally slip in between the two modes of thinking pretty seamlessly, but there are days when I just blankout in one after heavy work in the other
 
I've been there. "Hey, I did this cleanly in MATLAB; how come I'm blanking out on how to do it in Mathematica?"
(and vice-versa)
 
scraping looks soo 1990 now
 
@yoda Yeah, it's somewhat of a permanent tag for a sequence. A000045 will always be Fibonacci, for instance...
(at least, that's Sloane's guarantee.)
 
Interesting. Well, I learnt something today other than some cool mma stuff
 
On the other hand, I'm still a bit curious why Wolfram Alpha has all the goodies.
(e.g. why do you need to go through Alpha to generate QR barcodes?)
 
7:07 AM
Since v8, some of that annoyance is reduced
 
"How do I copy stuff from Mathematica to here?" could be a meta question, no?
 
You mean like code?
 
(FWIW: I do InputForm[HoldForm[(* stuff *)]]. Then I copy everything within HoldForm[].)
@yoda Yup.
 
I was meaning to write an answer, but I'll probably do later... but in short, we've come up with our own ad hoc conventions on SO
if it's a long block of code that shows the output at the end, then people generally leave it alone, but separate by a blank line.
If it's input and output interspersed like you would have in a testing environment, some comment out the output lines so that you can still copy-paste into your notebook
I tend to delete those lines if they don't add much value
Sometimes, the output itself is important (e.g., result of MatrixForm), in which case, I post a screenshot of the output
 
Sounds like something that should be summarized at meta. :)
(I did a slightly different system at math.SE, actually, but I'll try it your way.)
 
7:23 AM
On second thoughts, the first question should've been "How can I get multiple undos"
closed as not a real question.
I should try implementing a QR reader/generator in mma. Should be fun – I haven't done anything fun in a long time.
 
There's a lot of good questions and I can't upvote anything for another 16 hours :(
 
@MikeBantegui SE is telling you to get some sleep. Can't vote, can't get rep. Time to pack up for the day :)
alright, I'm going to go get some sleep now
adios all
 
@yoda Just cause I can't vote or get rep doesn't mean I can't answer :(
 
7:48 AM
@yoda Neat! I'd look forward to that.
 
8:02 AM
Critic has been finally awarded.
 
@MikeBantegui I wonder... :)
 
@JM It was apparently rescinded.
Unless it was given on a question/answer that was subsequently deleted.
 
8:49 AM
Good morning ... yaaaaaawn ... (...)
 
9:17 AM
@yoda Can you set up a ticker feed for this room? Perhaps only with mma-site-questions for now.
 
Maybe the downvoted was a fat-finger error and reversed
 
9:56 AM
@JM Thanks for the comment, edited the answer!
 
@Szabolcs No prob. I'll think about writing a demonstration answer later to drive the point home...
 
@JM Are you in Australia?
Just guessing about time zones
 
No. I'm in the Philippines. UTC+8.
 
@JM Funny I have a Filipino mathematician friend whose initials are also J. M. :-)
 
@Szabolcs Interesting. :) I'm not a mathematician, though; I guess the only thing we share are initials and nationality...
 
@Szabolcs enjoy :) but please make it a ticker feed. I'm sure we'll all be on top of everything for a few days and dropping them as chat posts will disrupt the flow
 
@yoda Of course, it definitely needs to be a ticker feed at this point!
 
I'll need a lot of time to read through all the Qs and use up my votes :-)
 
10:44 AM
Hello everyone!
Joining the Beta
 
10:59 AM
Szabolcs has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
11:14 AM
Odd. One of my edits is already approved, but the other ones are on hold...
 
acl
trying to answer anything here is worse than on SO...
 
@acl How so?
 
acl
this, for instance
12
Q: Speeding up this fractal-generating code

IsaacI used the code below (which is a sample from this gist containing more similar code) in my answer to my own question about Mandelbrot-like sets for functions other than the simple quadratic on Math.SE to generate this image: cosineEscapeTime = Compile[{{c, _Complex}}, Block[{z = c, n = 2...

is something I could answer immediately as I've solved the exact same thing (and this is the sort of thing I do with mma). by the time I woke up, the question was an hour old and had already two comprehensive answers...
 
@acl "comprehensive" - i.e., they did what you did, and more?
 
acl
something like that yes...
 
11:23 AM
I was thinking... if there's even a little wrinkle that they didn't do, but have done, you still could post something.
 
acl
true
 
everybody has to start again from low rep, so it feels a bit odd at first
 
11:41 AM
@acl one of the criteria of beta success is the answer ratio - so if you have an answer that adds something to the discussion that isn't an edit of someone else's, then posting it is a good idea.
2
 
11:56 AM
@acl I think it's okay build on the existing answers and post an improved version. Do that by all means! (Well if the improvement is tiny and you don't want to write up a whole answer, just comment ...)
 
Hello , I was thinking if stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mathematica description needs to be updated to link to mathematica.stackexchange.com so that new users can raise their questions in dedicated site ? what do you think ?
 
@PrashantBhate No, not yet. We're still in private beta.
"Still setting up shop", if you will. This isn't the grand opening.
 
@PrashantBhate This site is in private beta now, so for 1-2 weeks only the original committers can access it. For after that, we discussed this, and it seems this is discouraged by SE. It's not even certain that the site will not fail. Let me find the meta post for you\
 
That comes up in a week. By that time, then the SO tag description can be modified.
 
@Prashant @JM See Jeff's comment here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/117656/…
 
12:10 PM
@JM @Szabolcs thanks for the info , I hope it will sustain
And what will happen to all existing questions under that tag ? will they get migrated to the new site?
 
12:25 PM
@PrashantBhate In the beta phase, which lasts at least 3 months (but usually longer), they won't. After that it may happen for some questions, I heard old TeX questions still get migrated from SO to TeX.SE occasionally
 
...and if we manage to blow their socks off, maybe it'll only take ninety days to "graduate".
 
@PrashantBhate If a beta site fails and it gets closed, all question from it will be lost. So they prefer not to migrate anything until the site is out of beta.
 
@Verbeia Fat finger?! I take offense to that.
I only rescinded my downvote because I couldn't be bothered commenting why (and I didn't want to upset the OP so that I wouldn't get the check mark!)
 
@Simon What are you talking about?
I had to look up fat finger ...
 
@Simon Aw, she was kidding I think...
 
12:36 PM
Sorry... I didn't realise how long ago that chat message was!
The message actually made me rethink my laziness, so now I actually downvoted and commented. mathematica.stackexchange.com/q/134/34
@JM I was also kidding, I think... :)
 
You addressed me by accident first, and I had no idea what you were talking about :-)
 
@Szabolcs Yeah, sorry. It's late and past my bed time... I'm making way too many typos!
 
"I'm sorry; I was sleeptyping..."
 
Anyway, it's been a good 1st day for Mma.SE! Night all!
 
Good night!
 
12:46 PM
@Simon Yes, good night!
Well, I'm fresh out of votes. At least I have a "Suffrage" now.
 
acl
12:58 PM
night
 
1:36 PM
out of votes for 10 hours. Anyone else hit the voting limit, yet?
 
@rcollyer I spent mine a few hours ago. I guess that's eight of us...
 
tut tut @rcollyer pinning your own puns for visibility
revokes room owner privileges
 
2:44 PM
@JM I didn't bother looking. I was hoping, though, that I wasn't the only one.
@yoda NNNNOOOOOOOOOoooooo! kidding.
 
lol
everyone is out of votes and the question scores look pathetic compared to yesterday. Once the UTC day rolls over, everyone's going to be rushing for the next wave of upvotes :)
 
I fully expect a wave of upvotes for everybody around the time I'm asleep...
(For that matter, a lot of my posts on other SE sites get a number of their upvotes when I'm sleeping...)
 
That's the best kind. Post something and wake up to see upvotes... unlike the unfortunate ones who happen to be in an SE traffic timezone, and sit and continuously hit refresh to see where the score is ;)
 
3:29 PM
@Szabolcs: seems like a reasonable tag to make...
 
done
 
3:49 PM
@yoda the question feed is so slow, it's near useless
It's some 2 hours behind
 
 
1 hour later…
4:52 PM
Congrats on the hitting private beta! (:
 
*confetti*
 
Thank you @Rebecka :-)
@JM You never sleep, do you? :P I just answered your memoization question. Can you tag it ? This is the usual name most of us use.
 
@Szabolcs Actually, I'm about to in a few. But see the question now... :)
 
@RebeccaChernoff We've been very excited waiting for this in the last few days!
 
(I'm outta votes, but I suppose I could write a mini-package like you did... :) )
 
4:55 PM
So, I have a question for y'all.
Each site gets a twitter account that will tweet posts from the site. We're running into Twitter's length restraints though. We have 10 characters to work with. Mathematica is 11. |:
StackMathematic |:
 
"StackMma" is fine methinks.
 
Almost everyone is familiar with Mma as an abbreviation for Mathematica
 
@RebeccaChernoff I second @JM's proposal, "StackMma" works. Mma is a known abbreviation.
@RebeccaChernoff Thanks.
 
I too.
 
acl
so do I
 
5:04 PM
@RebeccaChernoff When do you think we should think about the logo? In a couple of months only? Mathematica's logo was made with Mathematica itself, and it'd be nice to make something non-identical (so we don't step on trademarks and don't have something Mathematica-version specific) but easily recognizable as Mathematica related. Perhaps have a logo contest on meta. I'm sure people would love it. See also mathworld.wolfram.com/Spikey.html
 
see the system message on meta
day 1 is maybe a bit early to think design, but... q:
at this point you want to work on growing and an engaged community
 
@Szabolcs Well, they do like their dodecahedra...
 
The first one was made from an icosahedron
 
@RebeccaChernoff Agreed. It has been a good first day, I think...
@Szabolcs ...and it's dual to the dodecahedron. So, either of those two could be a motif, if you still want something vaguely recognizable as related...
 
That's right.
 
5:09 PM
But, let's worry about logos a few weeks after public beta's start...
 
Right.
 
We are already working on tagging (question 3), and have had discussions in the past on SO about on/off topic (question 1). Also, there's a question today on meta that is perfect for the FAQ (question 2). So, I think we're making a good start.
 
...and it's only the first day!
 
I'm not completely sure ... I have seen ' used as a substitute more than once, and I've definite seen more than one broken comment on SO, but couldn't find the latter now.
 
@Szabolcs Yecch, a poor substitute, that.
 
5:14 PM
I remember searching for this myself, and it was not so easy to find. Now we have an answer on meta but I thought it'd be good to add this info to a place where people are the most likely to look for it (i.e FAQ)
 
@Szabolcs Whenever that occurs on SO, and I notice, I edit it and message the poster to let them know how it's done.
 
I'll test on chat.
 
Yes, tagging is more urgent. The piratepad brainstorming should be moved over and cleaned up ...
 
LinearAlgebra`VandermondeMatrix[Range[3]]
LinearAlgebra`VandermondeMatrix[Range[3]]
Okay, both methods work...
 
Quick question: any input on the tags on this new question? Or, is sufficient?
 
5:21 PM
Now that I think about it: why not a tag?
 
@rcollyer Sorry about that, I should take some air and not answer ... see update.
 
Thought about that, and decided on , but is more inline with what I'm doing.
 
I like , it's also on the original suggestion list.
 
or . I've seen the Mathematica book use both terms for functions like Drop[], Cases[], ...
 
@Szabolcs, I added links to the docs on your answer. Would you mind trying to approve them?
 
5:24 PM
I'd also like to settle on something for . Is there going to be a core tag for or will suffice.
 
How about we default to and add the synonym ?
 
@rcollyer I didn, and this brings up an issue.
 
@Szabolcs issue?
 
@rcollyer I'm on board.
 
@JM I'll post a request in meta and see if the powers that be are willing to attach the synonym for us.
 
5:27 PM
@RebeccaChernoff Whenever we make a piece of text containing [ or ] into a link, they get escaped --- even if they are in code. These characters are very common in Mathematica code. Please see here: mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/175/12 Is SE aware of this issue? Of course it can be fixed manually, but it'd be nice to make the editor smarter and not make this mistake, if possible.
 
@Szabolcs I did not notice that. Hmm.
 
I'll fix it soon, I just left it there so she can see it.
 
@JM Posted it on meta.
@Szabolcs I like better.
 
Me too, but all I care about now is to settle on one.
I think @Brett suggested just ? Not sure.
 
Have be a synonym. I like descriptive tags myself.
 
5:34 PM
works for me.
 
Makes writing tag wikis not too complicated.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I fixed it up, but you can see the edit history.
There was a suggestion in the piratepad discussion to have a "core tag", which applies to the whole area, and more specific tags. The more specific ones were suggested to be , , , by Brett. I agree that this categorization will be useful. Now should we just use as the core tag too, or there should be ? I like the latter better, but I think people will keep using anyway, ...
so it's maybe a better decision to just go with
I tagged my own question only with , even though Dynamic[] doesn't appear anywhere in it (but it is about dynamic interactivity)
 
Or maybe just plain as the "core"...
 
How about we post it meta, and see what the overall consensus is?
 
Most[] and Rest[] don't do the same thing. mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/175
 
5:40 PM
@JM amusing typo.
 
@rcollyer Now that I think about it, we should maybe have a more general merge/synonym thread for tags...
 
@JM Actually, that sounds like a brilliant idea. You want to post it?
I'm answering a question at the moment.
 
@rcollyer It'd be good to have a meta post about several tags maybe? Anyway, can you post about this single one,linking to the read-only version of the piratepad where Brett has commented?
 
I'm about to retire for today, actually. Somebody else can do the honors, I hope.
Well, see you guys later!
 
5:56 PM
hello @RebeccaChernoff
 
@yoda and everyone else. I've edited this question a bit now. I don't know if these questions should be welcome or not, but I'd personally find it useful to allow them. What do you think?
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Q: What is the best way to make palettes with non-trivial functionality?

SzabolcsNote: this is a somewhat subjective question asking about "best-practices" and what different ways are there to achieve this. I already have a solution which satisfies most requirements I have, but it would be tremendously helpful to at least hear from others who have made palettes in the past. ...

 
Why do you think they're not welcome?
 
The fact is, we don't share nearly as much code as "normal" programmers, many of us don't know what's idiomatic. Just a few people telling me how they did something similar in the past would be very helpful.
 

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