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Vincent

8:36 AM

enters, coughs, throws up a hand while shuffling to the coffee machine

Meta Graphic Design

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Q: Bullet formatting

Is there any way of tightening up the bullet formatting when using nested/indented bullets? For instance, this post uses levels of indenting to emphasise a point, but seems to lose a bit of the cohesion between the levels the further you nest them (notice the inner_wall, inner_ground_wall, inner...

PieBie

@Vincent waves and is annoyingly cheerful this morning

Vincent

8:58 AM

@PieBie steers clear of Pieter :P

PieBie

Vincent

lol

come here, I'll bite ya to death

PieBie

I can literally quote that movie from beginning to end, every single line...

Vincent

oh... my.

you should talk to a friend of mine. He is a huge MP fan

PieBie

yes, my brain just loves storing useless information

Vincent

9:08 AM

ah well. I have that too with useless trivia and Magic: the Gathering cards :/

PieBie

I think all men have this condition regarding useless trivia :D I used to have it with MTG, but that was 15 years ago...

I think we should tag this as a bug

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A: Bullet formatting

I think this particular CSS is the culprit: .post-text ul li, .wmd-preview ul li, .post-text ol li, .wmd-preview ol li { margin-bottom: .5em; } .post-text ul li:last-child, .wmd-preview ul li:last-child, .post-text ol li:last-child, .wmd-preview ol li:last-child { margin-bottom: 0; } ...

@Vincent @CAI @joojaa?

Vincent

9:23 AM

It seems a bit like a css bug yes

tagged

at least worth a look by the designers

PieBie

@Vincent that's what I thought

CAI

I dont think it is. The main problem was the inconsistent markup.... that CSS doesn't do what you think it does

nested lists are inside their parent <li> so the margin is already there

PieBie

but it's not... for example the point inner wall and the ones below it don't have the margin that others do

but that's because the text is not seen as a li and thus does not get a margin... I see

CAI

a picture says more than a thousand words

easier to show than explain lol

PieBie

yes, the text inner-wall is not an li by itself, and therefore does not receive bottom margin, and therefore the li below it sticks to it

CAI

9:38 AM

yeh, the way to fix that would be to add a top-margin to nested ul/ols

does that look better?

I added ul ul, ol ul, ul ol, ol ol { margin-top: 5px; }

PieBie

@CAI exact, so it is a bug... or at least, it could be improved

Vincent

@CAI mind if I hide that .gif behind a link? It's really annoying to look at :)

CAI

@Vincent I like looking at it.. I find it therapeutic

but go ahead lol

@PieBie I wouldn't call it a bug per-se, but it would definitely be an improvement!

joojaa

il like the improved look

its not really a bug though...

PieBie

@joojaa the bug tag says: "Indicates you've found an erroneous or unexpected behaviour in the system that needs to be fixed." I think this falls under unexpected behaviour

Paul

9:47 AM

Does it really need adding as a bug?

PieBie

@Paul the bug tag says: "Indicates you've found an erroneous or unexpected behaviour in the system that needs to be fixed." I think this falls under unexpected behaviour :D

CAI

It's not really a bug.. It would get it looked at if people care about it and want it changed though

Vincent

shrug feel free to lop off bug again.

PieBie

meh, what else are the devs gonna do with their time? :p

CAI

lol

Paul

9:51 AM

LOL! Don't care that much! Just spotted the problem and it looked a bit funny. Adding the ---'s in seemed to kinda fix it.

johnp

10:05 AM

mornin

Vincent

o/

CAI

mornin @johnp

johnp

how are ye doing

sunny here today

CAI

yeh here too!

I've run out of coffee so im struggling lol

johnp

oh no!

americanos dont work on me anymore ;( started drinking espressos

CAI

10:11 AM

I could do with an espresso right now!

johnp

i think i may start buying caffeine tablets

CAI

lol

Vincent

I quit coffee in the morning. Still wonder whether that was a good idea

If you want advice on caffeine, ask Darth :P

joojaa

unexpected behaviour != bug

johnp

haha it probably is for the best @Vincent does Darth like his caffeine?

are you malfunctioning @joojaa

joojaa

10:17 AM

unexpected behavior can also be emergent features

@johnp yes thats kind of my default mode

johnp

hehe

CAI

I don't even think it's unexpected behaviour, it's just a design issue

joojaa

yes but I'm more interested in whether emergent issues are bugs.

Vincent

@johnp he used to be a big time Red Bull consumer

joojaa

If emergent features are bugs then most of the tech we have today are to be classified as being a bug

Vincent

10:20 AM

But I tihnk he went cold turkey

johnp

ah right! I was one too I must admit. I switched to coffee instead. I still wonder how much my life has been shortened as a result of my red bull days

CAI

@joojaa a bug is a bug, how it happens shouldn't be relevant

well, probably relevant to fixing that bug, but not wether you call it a bug or not

Vincent

The only RB I ever consumed was in combination with red wodka

I think the stuff reeks

johnp

speaking of caffeine consumption, I've had an overactive nerve twitching around my nose the past 2 days...it feels like im kind of scowling in disgust :L

yeah it's like petrol. great with vodka when ur tired on a night out though!

Vincent

I might have consumed some of it to get through an all-nighter for my bridge club

joojaa

10:24 AM

@CAI so lets take SVG as a example. It gains much from being redered by the host. Being rendered by the host is a design decision. So now by having clients do it we have 2 design choices.

1. all people run the same codebase (flash does this)
2. everybody is free to run any codebase that renders the image (SVG does this)

Now 2 leads to different results in different machines. Invariably... Its emergent form the choice. So the question is:

*is this a bug?*

Vincent

but my recollection of that entire night is... rather vague

johnp

haha love it. I always thought bridge was a thing reserved for the golden years :v

you make it sound hardcore

joojaa

we used to play tarot... bridge is also good

CAI

@johnp yeh the only person i've ever known to play bridge is my grandad!

lol

Vincent

I found a rather young club here

it is quite the intellectual challenge

it has a reputation of a game for seniors, but it is actually a rather deep and complex game with lots of logic and math

johnp

10:27 AM

haha yeah same. all those kind of games are becoming popular with a younger crowd these days i think. like mahjong and that sort of stuff

CAI

@joojaa Interesting! I wouldn't necessarily call those different results bugs. It's the same as cross-browser compatibility in web-design. You'll rarely get every browser to render your website exactly the same, but that doesn't mean those differences are bugs, as long as you know they exist and know they don't break functionality.

joojaa

@CAI yes but the longwinded extreme rundown of that is that nothing that follows form a bad design decision is a bug?

On the other hand in reverse everything is a bug.

CAI

I guess it depends on your definition of 'bug'

Unless it breaks functionality or meaning I wouldn't call it a bug.. just bad design

joojaa

exactly therefore bugs dont exist or everything you like is a bug. Hence the confusion and anger around these things.

CAI

I think there is a grey area between bad design and bug that isn't well defined

joojaa

10:36 AM

LOL my office chair ate one of my socks. The sock was being pulled nto one of the wheels and it wasn't even around the shaft :)

trying do dislodge it now,

CAI

lol

joojaa

aah got it. it had jammed inside the protective cone. Thats certainly not a bug

rather unexpected

joojaa

12:00 PM

why is ist so hard to get temporary contracts?

Vincent

12:45 PM

hey @Ryan

joojaa

:)

johnp

hey @Ryan

Ryan

@Vincent @johnp hello gentlemen

Vincent

how're you?

Ryan

exhausted, havent been sleeping well this week

you?

Vincent

12:52 PM

I'm good. Sleeping has been rather ok

johnp

coke's changing it's branding slightly... lol 20.theladbiblegroup.com/s3/content/…

Vincent

and finished a logo :D

johnp

ah cool, a new one or the school proj?

Vincent

aye

@johnp looks rather nice

is not going to convince me to drink more than a glass a week, though :)

johnp

looks nice, what typeface is that

Vincent

12:59 PM

Montserrat -- I'm totally in love with it

It's a Google font to boot

johnp

i read about that island the other day, it's the cutest thing!

Vincent

lol

johnp

might not seem like a big deal to some, but as ireland has no colonial history it's really endearing :3

bcove.me/thymqa56

lol

but yeah it's a lovely font

Ryan

Trying to find some info out so was told to look in our database....

its in Access 97

johnp

let's do the time warp again!♬ @Ryan

Ryan

1:04 PM

Its just a jump to the left, then a step to the right!

johnp

YES :v

Vincent

oh my

Zach Saucier

1:21 PM

@PieBie Using 4 spaces (which can be auto added by selecting code then pressing ALT + K or clicking the {} button) is a better way to format blocks of code FYI

PieBie

@ZachSaucier OK, thanks

Darth_Vader

2:03 PM

morning troopers

Vincent

cap'n

johnp

2:30 PM

hello dark lord

Darth_Vader

2:50 PM

its hump day, woot woot

johnp

what is hump day?

joojaa

wensday

johnp

ah, lol. never heard that expression before

CAI

lol i think it last week i had to ask that

johnp

hehe

Darth_Vader

3:03 PM

@johnp the day for the middle of the week

johnp

an apt name for it!

Darth_Vader

GEICO Hump Day Camel Commercial Happier than a Camel on Wednesday

►

johnp

lol

Vincent

This is the first time I'm acatually writing a style guide for actual release to the customer. Any tips?

Ryan

Use small words, lots of diagrams, and prepare yourself for lots of questions

CAI

3:23 PM

@Vincent don't add anything unnecessarily, just add what makes sense. I remember looking through other guides and thinking "yeh ill add that" then spending hours trying to make something fit that obviously wasn't needed

Vincent

thx guys!

Ryan

5:11 PM

score! got another fitness model willing to do photo shoots with me pretty much any time!!

CAI

7:06 PM

@Ryan what happened to the bounty on that currency q?

Ryan

@CAI I haven't awarded it yet. Its in the grace period. Thanks for the reminder!

hate giving you both bounties :P

CAI