Language Overflow

Anonymous

3:01 PM

In a few years when it's officially in the standard and software support catches up, we should be able to use U+A7AF for a small capital Q in phonemic transcriptions of Japanese.

John Clifford

I need to get back into learning Japanese, I've been slacking lately.

Anonymous

頑張ってくださいね＾＾

Anonymous

あと、 Japanese.SE へどうぞ＾＾

Student

@DamkerngT. until another song is queued up here :) bye to you and all! Good night from me! bumping head to my bed :) X

John Clifford

I will!

Damkerng T.

3:02 PM

@Student Goodnight!

John Clifford

I had considered going there.

But I think I'd better brush up a bit and get back to where I was first so I don't make myself look like a complete idiot.

Damkerng T.

Siam Island Hopper | Koh Phi Phi | Episode 2

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The video just came up as an ad while letting YouTube play music posted by Student.

Now I wonder about their accents, which are pretty close to native speakers, but their faces look local!

Anonymous

I clicked the link, but YouTube told me an error occurred (nice and specific!), and it wouldn't play.

Damkerng T.

The young man can pronounce Thai words like Thais do, but the young lady doesn't (which isn't necessarily the same thing as she can't).

@snailboat Hah!

John Clifford

Hey, just be glad it's not that Windows one that just says CATASTROPHIC ERROR

To this day I have no idea what causes those.

Damkerng T.

3:06 PM

What if you use this link instead: youtube.com/watch?v=GniZxvBP8-M

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I know a girl named Sakura who pronounces her name like the normal Japanese pronunciation in Japanese, but in English like /səˈkjʊrə/.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That's why I keep my opinion open! :D

Anonymous

It confused me at first because I didn't know the latter pronunciation existed.

Anonymous

In Japanese, by the way, it's unaccented (LHH).

CowperKettle

3:54 PM

Чип и Дейл. "Кука-кольная песня"

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> Come along, you belong
Feel the fizz of Coo-Coo-Cola
It’s bottled in Pensacola

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Goodbye, Snails..

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Goodbye and hello!

CowperKettle

Good evening, Snails. (0:

I remember that song from the 1990s

I just came across a news report on a Coca Cola truck dead-stuck in a Yekaterinburg street, and recalled this song

Damkerng T.

4:30 PM

> In French, men's shirts are feminine while women's blouses are masculine.

> ell.stackexchange.com/a/54847/3281

Language is fun, eh?

Damkerng T.

4:41 PM

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A: What is the subject when it's omitted after the comparison?

There happened a subject/verb inversion not the case of ellipsis as you said. we use this kind of inversion while comparing subjects of the verb and not normally the objects. We call it inversion in comparatives as in Paul is more interested in Maths than is Mary. You play golf better th...

I may be wrong (because I upvoted this one), but I can't see anything that's really wrong in the answer.

IͶΔ

@GamalThomas Note that "Paul is more interested in Maths than Mary" can be ambiguous, as it can compare "Maths" with "Mary", as well as it can compare "Paul" with "Mary". The ambiguity is usually not a problem, though, as common sense usually can tell us which meaning was intended. ;-) — Damkerng T. 3 hours ago

That depends on whether Paul is normal, or a geek.

Damkerng T.

^_^

Anonymous

4:55 PM

@DamkerngT. Hmm, it looks okay, though I think it might be better to say that there is inversion and something has been omitted – the copular complement.

nods

Salam alaikum ya'll.

Sawasdee

I disagree with the implication that New Zealander can't be used as an attributive adjective. I see nothing "ungrammatical" about Tina is New Zealander with degrees in counselling and education and has been a secondary school teacher and a school counsellor. It's just more common to insert an article to force the noun usage with that particular nationality (you wouldn't think twice if it had been Tina is Greek...). — FumbleFingers 6 mins ago

Damkerng T.

Namaste

Anonymous

4:58 PM

They might also call it subject-auxiliary inversion.

CowperKettle

Nice comment. I never knew that "New Zealander" could be used as an adjective

@DamkerngT. Namaste! Kalispera too!

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Huh. It does sound ungrammatical to me. Is that something people really say?

CowperKettle

@snailboat Dunno, but FumbleFinger is a guy I trust.

Anonymous

Well, I don't distrust FumbleFingers, but I form my own opinions :-)

CowperKettle

A scary power station incident in Chelyabinsk a couple days ago (at 08:40)

Авария на суровой Челябинской Подстанции 110\35\10

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I would've run like wind from there.

Anonymous

5:01 PM

books.google.com/…

Anonymous

books.google.com/…

Anonymous

Someone edited it to add a in the second publication :-)

IͶΔ

@CowperKettle What happened?

I'm not clicking on that.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Not sure what they did, or why they did that!

Anonymous

So I think someone out there must have the same intuition I do.

Anonymous

5:02 PM

Now let's see.

CowperKettle

@IͶΔ A fire broke out due to high electric charge. That was a routine shut-off, but the shutter off malfunctioned

@snailboat thank you!

Folks have made this Chelyabinsk video into a funny Jihad-style clip

Chelyabinsk is a butt of jokes in the Urals.

Anonymous

In predicative complement position, I expect a noun phrase like a New Zealander, not whatever New Zealander might be.

Damkerng T.

I'm just glad that everyone in the video seemed to be okay!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. 99.99999% of the comments on YouTube say the same thing. The guy was literally born a second time.

Anonymous

I just looked through all 115 examples of New Zealander in COCA and couldn't find any like that.

Damkerng T.

5:06 PM

@snailboat I think the -er makes it sound very odd if used as an adjective.

Anonymous

Too bad @jimsug doesn't come around these parts anymore. I'd like to ask him :-)

CowperKettle

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A: Michael's (is) a New Zealander or Michael's (is) New Zealander? Article before nationalities?

I'm happy to accept that Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull speaks perfectly good English, and is familiar with antipodean usage. In that link, he's reported as saying... ...the law applies to you whether you are New Zealander or Greek or Romanian or American or whatever you may be. ...

> "Our law applies to people from every country, it's not specific to New Zealand, and the law applies to you whether you are New Zealander or Greek or Romanian or American or whatever you may be."

Read more: http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/aust-pm-new-citizenship-pathway-for-kiwis-2016021913#ixzz44PJYGONh

Damkerng T.

Interesting!

CowperKettle

That "someone" was probably reflecting the same knee-jerk tendency which caused two earlier answerers here to delete their posts. (But I won't be intimidated! :) — FumbleFingers 28 secs ago

Damkerng T.

Is there any other demonym that ends with -er?

CowperKettle

5:15 PM

Okay, I'll leave my answer on for a while. (0;

"How very New Zealander of you!"

BBL!

Thanks for the literature search, Snails!

IͶΔ

@DamkerngT. Englisher

Damkerng T.

A-ha! I'm New Yorker is not that rare!

IͶΔ

Mhm

Damkerng T.

Out of my curiosity, do you find I'm New Yorker wrong? — Damkerng T. 34 secs ago

Me trying to get more opinions. ;-)

Anonymous

That does sound ungrammatical.

CowperKettle

5:27 PM

nods

I did a check, and "I'm New Yorker" seems to be as rare as hen's teeth

But I digress..

BBL!

Damkerng T.

Hah! I wasn't talking about books, BTW.

Perhaps when a New Zealander wants to say "I'm ____!" without any article for an effect, they might have to use "I'm Kiwi!" instead. :P

IͶΔ

I'm avocado!

Damkerng T.

I'm Mango!

IͶΔ

I'm capitalization fairy!

Don't capitalize fruit. ಠ_ಠ

Damkerng T.

Well, would you write the big apple or the Big Apple?

CowperKettle

5:39 PM

I am balalaika!

IͶΔ

I won't write any of them.

Grape fruits are larger.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle You're an instrument!

CowperKettle

Word of the evening: bromonium

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IͶΔ

Hah

Tropylium is cooler.

Anonymous

I like mycelium.

Damkerng T.

5:49 PM

the last shrimp, or the rest of it, was gone...

om, nom, nom

Anonymous

Fare well, shrimp!

Anonymous

Journey to the bottom of the stomach.

Damkerng T.

:D

IͶΔ

Acidic journey.

Damkerng T.

6:56 PM

I've browsed through a few of your recent questions. Most of them are related to sentence structures, specifically, relative clauses or appositives. In this question, it's quite obvious that which had been targeted for crude oil extractions since the 1950s is about Niger Delta. I'd recommended reading about relative clauses, or maybe review your reading practices in your textbooks in previous classes. It seems to me that you must've missed something that's required in reading non-simple sentences in the texts you're reading. — Damkerng T. 8 secs ago

I hope it wasn't too direct.

Anonymous

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A: What is the subject when it's omitted after the comparison?

This is an example of subject/verb inversion, not a case of ellipsis as you said. We use this kind of inversion while comparing subjects of the verb and not normally the objects. We call it inversion in comparatives as in Paul is more interested in Maths than is Mary. You play golf bette...

Anonymous

> You play golf better than do I.

Anonymous

Somehow it's really hard for me to imagine anyone saying this sentence.

Damkerng T.

It's a bit odd.

nods -- Though syntactically, it should be possible.

Wrong register, perhaps?

Anonymous

I don't want to comment until I can figure out why it's such an unnatural sounding example. You might be right that it's a matter of formality clash.

Damkerng T.

7:24 PM

@DamkerngT. As a New Yorker, yes. That sounds weird/wrong. — KRyan 32 secs ago

Got one comment!

As a New Zealander myself, I never hear this usage. If you said it to me, I'd assume you'd made a mistake as well. In fact, I'd suspect the quote "the law applies to you whether you are New Zealander.." is a typo or speech error. — Blorgbeard 3 mins ago

Comments keep coming! (Blogbeard's is under FF's answer)

> Current music: Avicii 10 hours

> He said, "One day you'll leave this world behind. So live a life you will remember." My father told me when I was just a child.

I suppose the song writer meant it to be a bit philosophical, but the MVs are pointing to stuff like "enjoy your life".

Damkerng T.

7:59 PM

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Q: meaning of "soul congealed"

I'm reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick. The following paragraph is decribing a woman who's just woken up all cranky and doesn't want to get up: "I just want to sit here on the bed and stare at the floor." Her voice had become sharp with overtones of bleakness as h...

I think we've seen a lot of questions related to reading comprehension when it's about something abstract or unconventional in creative writing...

which begs a question, do these learners have this problem only when it's in English, or does the problem occur in both their first and second languages?

(I will refuse to believe that creative writing does not exist in their first languages.)

IͶΔ

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A: Is "Are" missed here?

It could be either way, but the word 'are' is not "missing" I think it's more a matter of personal preference then right or wrong, (at least in that example). It depends on if "connected" is a verb or an adjective in the context. If it is a verb, then it should not have an 'are', if it is an adj...

If this is an answer from a native speaker . . .

@Dam @Snail:

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Q: Improve election schedule with respect to the questionnaire

The questionnaire is a great part of the election process, but during my first (first-hand) experience with an election, over on Code Golf, I've found that the timing of the questionnaire is a bit unfortunate. Others have noted that too in the election chat, so I'm quite surprised that this hasn'...

feature-request election nominations

Anonymous

I got my answers up on Japanese.SE meta after almost everyone had voted.

Anonymous

I felt like it was important to post them, but I don't think they really had any impact on the election.

Damkerng T.

Code Golf is quite active, though, I think. I was surprised that it's still in Beta.

Anonymous

8:16 PM

For a long time, graduations in general were basically never happening for most sites.

Anonymous

They were adding sites much, much faster than they were graduating, so sites were waiting eligible for graduation for years, and they were barely doing any of them.

Anonymous

But they turned that around and are now graduating just about every site.

Anonymous

And some of them are even getting designs now!

Anonymous

Music.SE just got its design, for example.

Anonymous

So did Puzzling.SE.

Anonymous

8:18 PM

Anonymous

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Q: Puzzling Design Pitch - Congratulations, you're graduating!

I'm Stéphane, a senior product designer at Stack Exchange. First, I wanted to announce that this site is now starting the process of moving out of beta to become a fully-graduated site! Congratulations! Graduation and Your Site Design Graduation comes with a few perks, which should come out...

discussion featured design

Anonymous

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Q: Music.SE Site Design (With an updated logo and color!)

UPDATE MARCH 28, 2016 Thank you to everyone who took the time to review and provide feedback. Based on your feedback, the following changes are being made to the design: Logo A few people mentioned they read the logo as "IMUSIC" instead of MUSIC, so I've dropped the three bars before the wordm...

discussion graduation design

Anonymous

And of course, ELL graduated and got a design too.

IͶΔ

Music's design is noice.

Chem's design is the chickest.

Anonymous

8:25 PM

As a New Zealander, I can definitely say that this is the correct answer as far as common usage in NZ goes. Nobody says "I'm New Zealander"; that would definitely be considered wrong by native speakers. — Blorgbeard 55 mins ago

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Forgive me! I have secretly edited out your message. Feel free to put it back if you disagree with my edit :-)

Damkerng T.

How unlucky New Zealanders are! They can't say I'm New Zealander!

I suppose the same goes to New Yorkers and Londoners.

Anonymous

"I'm Londoner!" said the non-Londoner.

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Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Anonymous

People make nonce comparatives sometimes in colloquial speech: "I'm New Yorker than he is!"

Anonymous

8:39 PM

"I'm very New York." "No way, man. I'm New Yorker." "That's funny, I'm New Yorkest."

Damkerng T.

LOL!

Icelanders are probably more lucky. They can say I'm Icelandic! (I think)

Damkerng T.

9:16 PM

You are correct about the meaning. I can't say definitely that is grammatically incorrect, but it is at least not "high English" as it were. — zondo 17 mins ago

Hmm... what's this "high English"? As it were?

Anonymous

I assume they mean to say it's not appropriate in a formal register.

Damkerng T.

It's funny that people use both get to do something and get to doing something, though the two usages don't quite mean the same.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Oh! I'd never connected those two mentally.

Damkerng T.

got to go and get to work aren't quite the same thing either!

@snailboat Me either!

Not until this question.

Because personally, I'd prefer I should get to solve the math problems to I should get to solving the math problems.

Anonymous

9:41 PM

@DamkerngT. But they mean such different things! :-)

Damkerng T.

Oh, maybe I'm wrong about the usage.

(Or even, maybe the usage is different in different dialects.)

For example, I should get to working on my project sounds strange to me.

Anonymous

You could say "I should get to solve the math problems!" if that's something you want to do, but the person in charge of handing out assignments isn't sure who should get the honor of solving them. You really want it to be you because you just love solving math problems!

Anonymous

But they might give that honor to someone else.

Anonymous

It's like: "I should get to eat the first slice of cake! You got to eat the first slice last time we had cake."

Anonymous

"I should get to sit in front! My legs are longer and it's uncomfortable sitting in the back of your little car."

Damkerng T.

9:45 PM

Well, that's one possible use, I think.

Anonymous

Is there another?

Damkerng T.

What if it's not about the choice?

Anonymous

Give me an example.

Damkerng T.

Like, I know I should do my homework today if I want it to finish before the deadline. So I tell my friend, I should get to work on my homework now.

(Or I should get to do(ing?) my homework now)

For some reason, with do, it probably sounds okay to me either way.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Yeah, that's a great example! Though I guess I always thought work was a noun there.

Anonymous

9:48 PM

Regardless, with do that meaning doesn't seem possible.

Damkerng T.

A-ha! Hmm...

Anonymous

Maybe we can view get to work as an idiom with special meaning, whether work is a noun or a verb there.

Anonymous

"I should get to do my homework now" only seems possible with the (rather goofy) interpretation I talked about earlier.

Anonymous

This is pretty tricky stuff! :-)

Damkerng T.

Get is really tricky!

Anonymous

9:53 PM

books.google.com/books?id=yAFYlnz6OGAC&pg=PA134

Damkerng T.

Hmm... does this mean that get to do/doing something can be used almost interchangeably?

Anonymous

I hope not! :-)

Anonymous

I like this chapter, though.

Anonymous

It points out that English has adversive passives, too. Something like 80% of get-passives.

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