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user116211
3:37 AM
@Hippalectryon: Thanks, for providing bounty ;)
 
user116211
I was thinking of deleting it; but was too lazy to do that ;P
 
user116211
5:18 AM
@Martin-マーチン: Hmmm... some idiot is still downvoting my poll answer you edited ;(
 
user116211
Do they have no time to read the content of the answer before downvoting?
 
@user36790 nevermind... we just don't count the downvotes anyway... so no worries
 
user116211
I'm leaving a comment below my answer; if they are against then vote yours. I mean this is ridiculous and laziness.
 
7:47 AM
@user36790 Maybe you guys should've explicitly stated that people should upvote only the idea they agree with.
 
8:08 AM
> Editorial note: There are two answers, one for deleting the tag and one for keeping the tag. Please upvote only one. Downvotes will not be counted. As of now any existing votes have been unlocked by an edit.
you mean like this?
 
Yes. You love those editorial notes dontchu? (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
 
8:39 AM
hello
 
Hullo
 
is there anyway to invite a guy to chat, who has never participated in chat?
 
Commenting and telling them to come.
 
he has not posted anything
 
So he has 1 rep?
 
user116211
8:46 AM
@IͶΔ Mart has done a wonderful job; if even after that no one can notice this, then sorry to say they are either lazy or troll.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ: BTW, o/
 
@IͶΔ yes
@user36790 woah!! new avatar !!
 
@DeNiSkA To be able to talk in chat, they'll need at least 20 rep in total in SE.
 
:-(
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA yep!
 
8:47 AM
@user36790 \o
@user36790 Whoa there. I tolerate many things, but calling people participating on meta lazy trolls isn't one of them.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ hmmm..... the answers were rigorously edited to avoid these kind of menaces, but ...... you could understand the predicament.
 
user116211
That is for sure, however, that downvotes wouldn't be counted and I've left a comment below the answer; hope this would happen no more.
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA I've just changed the account not the avatar ;P
 
@user36790 but your reputaion is same!
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA huh?
 
user116211
8:54 AM
This is the total rep.
 
oh! :-P
 
@DeNiSkA Why do you want this user to come to chat?
 
@Martin-マーチン he is my nerd friend, so i want him to participate in chat!
 
well, get him to participate in any SE, and he'll have access to the chat system. 20 Rep is easily gained :D
 
i will upvote his questions :P
 
user116211
8:59 AM
The most easiest is to tell him to go to Math and post anything; they will get upvotes ;P
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA No!
 
but he has not posted any
@user36790 why?
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA You can't upvote like this.
 
user116211
Upvote not for he being your friend but the question being a good one.
 
user116211
We don't encourage voting irregularities.
 
9:01 AM
@user36790 (::*feeling dis-honest*::)
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA :(
 
@user36790 ok! i will not upvote it :D
 
user116211
:/
 
user116211
Upvote if the question is good.
 
there are tools in place that will prevent these kind of voting stuff
if it is suspicious, then your account can be suspended
 
9:04 AM
@Martin-マーチン now i will not upvote!
 
if the question is good, then please upvote it.
After all, the whole system depends on voting.
 
@DeNiSkA All it takes for your nerd friend is write an answer that gets two upvotes in either of the topics such as chemistry, math, physics, bicycles and 150 others. If he can't do that, then . . .
 
user116211
@IͶΔ then?
 
I mean if you go about and upvote every single thing another user posts in a short period of time, then this will raise some flags
 
@DeNiSkA Upvote content, not the user. That's the only thing you should remember.
 
9:09 AM
@Martin-マーチン ::*haunted*::
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA: Remember these golden advices.
 
Yeah, the scripts are pretty good.
 
@user36790 Okay! boss :D
 
user116211
@DeNiSkA: I explored these all by myself; you are lucky to get advised direct from horses' mouth .
 
Random bolding is fun.
 
9:15 AM
598
Q: Six simple tips to get reputation fast on any Stack Exchange site

Jeff AtwoodAn article "6 Simple Tips to Get Stackoverflow Reputation Fast" at codexon.com made these suggestions: Be the First to Answer. Even at the cost of quality. Use Downvotes and Comments Strategically Use obnoxious in-your-face formatting and lists. Be Aware of the 200 rep/day Limit Ed...

read the 6th point
 
I've read the 6'th point a year ago.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ You are the master; that's why I admire you ;)
 
No, but I'm an avid meta regular.
 
@IͶΔ then he says associate other accounts, which means from other accounts you can upvote!
 
No.
 
9:18 AM
from reading this, i got idea of upvoting my friend
 
Find a FAQ that says that. That was just Jeff having fun with meta people.
@DeNiSkA May I find you 50 questions about why you shouldn't?
 
@IͶΔ haha!
 
378
Q: What is serial voting and how does it affect me?

Cody GrayI just noticed that I lost a bunch of points from my reputation score on Stack Overflow, and I used the "reputation" tab on my user profile page to try and track down the cause. During my investigation, I noticed there was an unusual event of type "reversal". In the normal place of a question ti...

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Q: The vote fraud script breaks legitimate polling questions - A serial downvoter's lament

YannisI've downvoted several of the answers on these Meta discussions: The Workplace self-evaluation: let's get critical! The Workplace self-evaluation: let's get critical! Both questions are typical self evaluations, Stack Exchange runs them on all young Beta sites and as you may have noticed they...

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Q: Please hide "serial upvoting reversed" entries in the public reputation history

LodderYou can always get a handful of people on Stack Overflow that go round serial up-voting. It has happened to me before and I can only assume it was done by the same person as all votes occurred in the same minute. I go on Stackoverflow not only to look for some solutions to problems and other snip...

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Q: Moderator nominees with records of vote fraud

PëkkaIn the SO moderator nominations, two candidates withdrew their entries after it was revealed that they had been caught using sock puppets with many cross-votes in the past (with the number of fraudulent votes in the hundreds in one case, in the thousands in the other). Although I was personally ...

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Q: How to vote on friends / colleagues ' questions (or answers)

NanneAlmost every time a colleague of mine asks a question, we have discussed this problem beforehand. Also, we sometimes meta-discuss the question for stackoverflow (why did I get the "this might be subjective" warning, is this understandable enough, etc). This is less so with answers, but I could be...

@Den esp. that one. ^^
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Q: Give moderators a tool to invalidate votes between users

Mad ScientistVote fraud happens on Stack Exchange sites, it is a natural consequence of the reputation system and one of the duties of a moderator is to deal with cases of suspected vote fraud. There are various tools to help moderators investigate vote fraud, and they work very nicely (especially after they ...

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Q: How does the SO voter fraud detection mechanism work?

ravenA recent post on the Stack Overflow blog (Voter Fraud and You) states that the Stack Overflow team has implemented a voter fraud detection mechanism. I look at the user board and noticed at least one user took a major hit as a result. I'd like to know how it works. No, not so that I can better...

 
I will not upvote really!! (unless it is good)
 
user116211
@IͶΔ: You are a meta encyclopaedia ;)
 
user116211
9:28 AM
@DeNiSkA hahaha....
 
Is it enough, or should I bring more?
 
@IͶΔ more than enough!
 
stop it or i'll ban you
5
 
@Martin-マーチン i have really not done this so far!
 
@DeNiSkA I was talking to @IͶΔ...
 
user116211
9:29 AM
@IͶΔ: Apologise to Mart!
 
@Martin-マーチン OK just one more
 
hehe!
 
Seriously
 
@Den this is what happens when you do this:
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Q: Reputation reversed from my account

Manish SharmaToday I found that my 145 reputation deducted from my account so can any one help about this?

 
Well this is a serious problem
 
9:32 AM
Yeah, I shouldn't have let those links one-box.
 
When I was new and I went on some voting sprees... might have been close to getting it reversed, but it can happen...
 
0
Q: Delocalised electron in graphite

CCCI have a question regarding the delocalised electron in graphite. There has been conflicting information between books. Some books said the delocalised electron in graphite exists $\bf{between}$ layers. Some said the delocalised electron in graphite exists $\bf{within}$ the hexagonal layer. I s...

 
to anyone... at any time ;)
 
Weirdest bolding ever.
Hell, I was serially upvoted one time.
-192 the other day.
Though I didn't even notice it.
 
@IͶΔ woah!
 
9:35 AM
Since I didn't visit the account during the serial upvote and its reversal.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ Yoyr secret admirer probably.
 
@IͶΔ I just saw that :)
 
@Martin-マーチン (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
Hang on, I might have a question for chem.
 
┬─┬ ノ( ^_^ノ)
 
10:07 AM
Nevermind I got my answer.
Although I wonder, should I post it @Mart?
 
Don't know if it is interesting...
 
It's not. Well, maybe.
> Why is the bond strength of D2 slightly more than H2?
 
reduced mass... next question
:P
we don't have that question on the site?
 
Dunno.
 
I have a feeling we do have something similar already... if not, then I would propose you make it a bit more general...
 
10:10 AM
I didn't know why Hooke's law didn't hit me.
@Martin-マーチン I could.
 
include heavier isotopes and stuff...
 
Yeah.
It could make a nice canon. question
 
user116211
@IͶΔ I like canons.
 
it really could...
 
user116211
@IͶΔ: How many canonical questions Chem SE has till now?
 
10:13 AM
@user36790 >0
 
user116211
I thought $< \infty$
 
@Mart should we also introduce the tag [canonical-questions]?
Like write what OS and formal charge mean and close 100 questions as a dupe of them. :P
I have some evilish plans in mind.
 
@IͶΔ ಠ_ಠ?
 
user116211
@IͶΔ This would make Chem SE a blog ;/
 
@Martin-マーチン Some sites do it. It's like a . It would also keep our "big" questions neat.
 
user116211
10:21 AM
But I agree ;)
 
@user36790 I like blags
 
user116211
@IͶΔ I agree.
 
don't really think another meta-tag is helpful
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
C'mon, it's not gonna hurt.
And it's not like it's a tag a question everyday will use.
 
user116211
Yes, Yes!
 
10:24 AM
Provided that we can come up with some canon. questions, it's not such a bad idea.
It's not such a good idea either.
It's just a neutral idea.
 
user116211
PSE is the master of canonical questions.
 
Nope
 
user116211
@IͶΔ why?
 
They can't even be SO's toenail.
SO's got like, 1000 canon.s.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ You can't compare SO ;(
 
user116211
10:27 AM
It's mammoth!
 
Sure can
 
user116211
@Loong: o/
 
@user36790 hi
 
@Loong low
 
10:43 AM
0
A: Electrolysis of Water: Overvoltage?

user28072You regard water in pipe as electrons in conductor, it's well. No yield means water pressure is not enough to wash the barrier away, increasing the water pressure is needed, the increment of water pressure is overvoltage. The barrier usually comes from poarization of electrode reaction(electrolys...

What the hell is this?
 
user116211
He is trapped in his own damn analogy.
 
user116211
11:02 AM
@IͶΔ: Do you know of Markov Model?
 
It's beautiful.
(A better way of saying "no, maybe, mayhaps")
I usually don't know something unless I know it.
 
user116211
I'm talking about statistics?
 
You have to give me its applications, examples, proofs, theorems and passport number until I realize I know it.
Or not, for that matter
 
user116211
In probability theory, a Markov model is a stochastic model used to model randomly changing systems where it is assumed that future states depend only on the present state and not on the sequence of events that preceded it (that is, it assumes the Markov property). Generally, this assumption enables reasoning and computation with the model that would otherwise be intractable. == Introduction == There are four common Markov models used in different situations, depending on whether every sequential state is observable or not, and whether the system is to be adjusted on the basis of observations made...
 
No then
 
user116211
11:07 AM
:(
 
12:12 PM
:(
 
1 hour later...
:(
 
1 hour later...
:(
 
over 9000 hours later...
:D
 
When Martin is not in this chat...
>:)
 
All hail The Martini...stirred but not shaken ;)
 
12:24 PM
lol
Poor Martin
 
I could use a martini right about now.
 
@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ Not my jam tho
 
user116211
@IͶΔ hhehehehehhe
 
@Simon-Nail-It yup, I out grew it pretty fast...
 
12:38 PM
@IͶΔ Good luck on trashing the chat when Martin is not here.
 
Pfft
 
I knew what it was before I clicked on it. Ah, childhood memories.
 
1. @Mart's only here when we ping him.
Whoops.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ o.O
 
2. I can trash chat even when he's around. It's true that it'll get me banned, but I would trash, no?
 
user116211
12:39 PM
You pinged him!
 
user116211
@IͶΔ You can do anything.
 
user116211
After all you are smart ;P
 
@IͶΔ I won't judge any of your action
 
1:01 PM
@Simon I approved your edit but please don't waste time polishing the turds.
 
@IͶΔ It just bugged me a lot when I just leave it there
 
It'll get deleted soon if not improved.
Go edit something that's worth it.
Now I have to wait for your edit to be approved/rejected and then flag it.
 
@IͶΔ Everything can be worth it when we start small
 
Edits invalidate flags @Simon.
@Simon-Nail-It Those cliches have no place in practice.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ Good point.
 
user116211
1:04 PM
@IͶΔ: Next time in mods election; I'd like to nominate you.
 
@user36790 I vote @IͶΔ when election but unfortunately....
 
user116211
Don't kill me with suspense ;/
 
@user36790 Noooooooooooooo
I still haven't hold up to my promise.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ huh?
 
@IͶΔ What promise?
 
1:06 PM
Lemme find it
Dammit, why can't I find it?
@Mart where's that thing I promised you the other day about the elections?
 
@IͶΔ That always happened to promise. You never find back your promise even though you promise on it
@IͶΔ Is it at meta chem
 
No, it's in chat.
@Mart halp
 
1:28 PM
Still can't find my promise.
Oh well.
 
user116211
:(
 
I found it!
Jun 14 '15 at 12:13, by M.A.Ramezani
So I'll nominate three years later, with a rep of 463846388274828k, and all of the badges, so I'll get a candidate score of 41/40.
CC @Simon @User
 
user116211
::Fireworks::
 
user116211
@IͶΔ WTF!
 
user116211
1:32 PM
ROFL
 
user116211
Seriously, I can't control my laughter ;D
 
user116211
::Picard Facepalm::
 
user116211
@IͶΔ: _/_
 
user116211
@IͶΔ BTW, is there anything special with that number?
 
@user36790 What is this?
@user36790 Yes, it's larger than 1000000.
 
user116211
1:37 PM
@IͶΔ Seriously, do you know what you've created by that number?
 
user116211
@IͶΔ kudos.
 
@user36790 A black hole
 
user116211
o.O
 
user116211
No....
 
A no with four dots?
That's a boring creation.
 
user116211
1:38 PM
AAARggggg....
 
user116211
@IͶΔ: Do you know Trippett's or Kendall & Smith's Random number Table?
 
user116211
You've unknowingly used the former to generate the number..... check that. You are genius.
 
@user36790 I've never taken special studies in stats.
But yeah, I'm a pretty random guy.
 
user116211
@IͶΔ As I've told multiple times,
 
user116211
That's why I like and respect your intelligence and wittiness :)
 
1:49 PM
@user36790 Agree. But that's hardly happen
 
2:23 PM
@user36790 :-) I really wanted an answer to this one haha
 
 
3 hours later…
5:04 PM
Nikolay Nikolayevich Semyonov (or Semenov), ForMemRS (Russian: Никола́й Никола́евич Семёнов; April 15 [O.S. April 3] 1896 – September 25, 1986) was a Russian/Soviet physicist and chemist. Semyonov was awarded the 1956 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on the mechanism of chemical transformation. == Life and career == Semyonov was born in Saratov, the son of Elena Dmitrieva and Nikolai Alex Semyonov. He graduated from the department of physics of Petrograd University (1913–1917), where he was a student of Abram Fyodorovich Ioffe. In 1918, he moved to Samara, where he was enlisted into Kolchak...
He studied chain reactions like H + CL.
> Semyonov wrote two important books outlining his work. Chemical Kinetics and Chain Reactions was published in 1934, with an English edition in 1935. It was the first book in the U.S.S.R. to develop a detailed theory of unbranched and branched chain reactions in chemistry.
I'm reading about the reaction between methane and CL, and he is mentioned there.
Quite interesting.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:32 PM
@IͶΔ $CH_3OH+BF_3 \rightarrow$?
i don't want the exact solution, but i want to ask how can oxygen form 3 bonds?
 
@Hippalectryon i saw, but are you gonna explain me with this :P
 
The same way $H_3^-$ is theorically cyclic :P I guess that doesn't really help :(
Can't you just draw its MO diagram ?
 
6:50 PM
@Hippalectryon but it is damn weird, it this is a disaster to think this molecule
 
Well, carbon monoxide is pretty common
 
yes, by drawing box diagrams it is possible that carbon monoxide exist
 
box diagrams ?
 
(kids use this method but i love) they are the diagram of orbitals using boxes
 
@DeNiSkA I know those for atoms, but how do you use that for molecules ?
 
7:01 PM
1) Draw the diagram of last orbitals for both atoms (like $2s^2 2p^4$ for oxygen)
then when you draw compare them both.
 
@DeNiSkA I don't see the problem with CO
(it's suposed to be $C^-$ not $+$)
 
@Hippalectryon how did you post photo?
 
Paste an image's link (ending with .imageExtention) or click "upload" next to the chat box
 
did you draw in ms paint
 
7:04 PM
then wait!!
now the $p_y$ and $p_z$ of carbon.......
...overlaps with $p_y$ and $p_z$ of oxygen
 
If your diagram above was correct (i.e. if it represented carbons that do react), wouldn't it be unable to form 4 bonds in the first place ? :-)
 
which four bonds?(sorry)
 
$CH_4$ for instance
 
ok! in case of CH4 we have to think a bit different way we have to think the electron of carbon in 2s gets excited so it jumps to $p_z$ and hence all four are half filled therefore 4 hydrogens sit there!
 
Ok, if you know that then go on :-)
 
7:14 PM
go on with what?
 
4 mins ago, by DeNiSkA
...overlaps with $p_y$ and $p_z$ of oxygen
So, what's your conclusion ? Do you mean that since only two $p$ overlap, there can only be a double bond max ?
 
yes!!
 
Draw a lewis structure for CO (assuming it is a triple bond)
 
woah!
 
7:19 PM
this is violating my box method!
 
No it isn't :P just draw the lewis structure, forget about boxes (for now)
 
ya! i got triple bond between carbon and oxygen
 
draw it and upload it. Or draw it at twiddla.com/qbk12t
 
How many electrons surround O in this molecule ? What's his usual number of outer electrons ?
 
7:24 PM
here 2 lone electrons but usually there are 4
 
7:36 PM
@DeNiSkA (sorry, my connection died) I'm not asking how many lone electrons he has, but how many he has around him in total (compared to his base state)
 
8 (i think)
 
For which question ._. the base state or in CO ?
 
in CO there are 8 electron around oxygen as well as around carbon
 
And in the base state ?
 
6
 
7:41 PM
@DeNiSkA About bonds, you must assume everything you know is usual, not correct.
Unless you're @Mart
but that's a different matter
 
@IͶΔ oh!!
 
@DeNiSkA Hm sorry I haven't exactly asked the first question the right way. In your lewis formula, how many electrons from O are around $O$ ?
 
@DeNiSkA So when you see a diborane, or hydride shift, or anything like those, you have to try hard not to be surprised.
 
@Hippalectryon there will be 6 electron from O
@IͶΔ but that is weird, oxygen forms 3 bonds
 
@IͶΔ It's still explainable by box diagrams here though
@DeNiSkA 6 ? I only see 5
 
7:48 PM
@Hippalectryon in base state oxygen has 6 electrons around it so when it forms a bond still those 6 electrons are gonna remain there (so still 6 electrons), how did you see 5?
@IͶΔ i am a baby in chemistry :(
 
I wish I was a baby in chemistry
 
huh?
 
@DeNiSkA I'm bad at explaining. More simply (that should be the last time I change it haha) what's the formal charge of C and O ?
 
@DeNiSkA Isn't there a positive charge on O?
 
for carbon it is -1 and for oxygen it is +1
@IͶΔ yes
 
7:52 PM
Then it would have had 6, but because of that charge it has 5.
 
@DeNiSkA Hurray \o/ now, redraw the box diagrams taking that into account
 
What is a box diagram?
 
57 mins ago, by Hippalectryon
box diagrams ?
55 mins ago, by DeNiSkA
user image
 
lol!!!!!!!!!
 
Uh
Those aren't boxes or diagrams. Seems like an apt name.
 
7:55 PM
A box diagram is a diagram that uses boxes.
 
@Hippalectryon wait
 
@IͶΔ I just call it the electronic configuration :P
 
Sounds like a bad mixture of e.config and MO diagrams.
 
@DeNiSkA Uh no. First of all, O is $O^+$ here. So you just have ↑ ↑ | ↑ ↑ ↑
 
7:58 PM
Oh, and hybridization.
 
@DeNiSkA Now, remember what we said about tetravalent carbons ? Can't you apply that here ?
 
@Hippalectryon yes the electron i have circled means it totaly goes to carbon
@IͶΔ correct
 
@DeNiSkA Well... I guess that's another way to see it, yeah
 
lol!!(chem has lot of exception -{@IͶΔ} hehe)
 
try chemistry:;pass;except @IͶΔ:
 
8:02 PM
I do not understand the punctuation of a few messages above this one.
 
How do you do multiline messages in the chat ? With indentation ?
 
@IͶΔ this is a very bad use of set language(i am idiot)
 
Set language?
@Hippalectryon Shift+enter
 
@IͶΔ we use this in mathematics
 
Indentation will make it fixed font with code formatting. If you do that I'll set you on fire.
 
8:05 PM
try chemistry:
    reaction()
except @IͶΔ:
    throw_table()
 
Oh, you mean sets. Well, use well-defined terms. "Set-language" might have been obvious in the first glance if we were talking math.
@Hippalectryon (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
That is code, so I don't mind it fixed font.
 
@IͶΔ That looks like you're making a table levitate
 
I am.
I'm that good.
 
@Hippalectryon you are a programmer
 
@DeNiSkA Not really, but I do program fairly often
 
8:07 PM
cheers, which language?
 
Python, Lua
 
cool
 
ʕ༼◕ ౪ ◕✿༽ʔ
 
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A: Can "immortal" be used to describe someone that lives forever, yet can be destroyed?

IͶΔYes, and that's in fact what "immortal" mostly has meant. The etymology of the word "immortal" reveals late 14c., "deathless," from Latin immortalis "deathless, undying" (of gods), "imperishable, endless" (of fame, love, work, etc.), from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" ( . . . ) ...

I just answered something HNQ.
 
@IͶΔ woah
@IͶΔ you at physics chat!! (::*wondering*::)
 
8:12 PM
I come and go to many chats. Who cares.
For instance, I have a totally redundant "The Biosphere" tab open right now.
 
i see!
@krotov hello
 
Hullo @Krotov! Welcome to the Table! To chat, you must have at least 20 reputation in an SE site.
Or 20 rep in total in SE.
 
lol his situation is like my friend
 
@DeNiSkA Anyone meeting chat who can't chat appears like that grey and white avatar. That's how I found out he can't type yet without clicking on anything.
 
i see
 
9:03 PM
@Hipp. Do. Not. Polish. Crap!
 
@IͶΔ Ah ok
 
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