The Whiteboard

PreferenceBean

4:00 PM

prepend is fine

lol, had it at document_start not document_end

PreferenceBean

4:17 PM

I'm playing with removing the frame

need to wait for some feeds to happen though

enderland

hmmm. to write a paper and try to present at a conference or not... :o

PreferenceBean

do it do it do it

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland writing? Sounds like work. Try Scotch instead

NOOO!!!! I just clicked a button on accident and it changed my visual studio settings because it popped over top of my current window. Life as we know it has just ended, my visual studio settings are now randomly different and the world will surely implode

stealing focus from one window to another should be a felony.

PreferenceBean

going back to holoheadsetthingie for a moment

> Like the early VR headsets, this will appeal to technology enthusiasts with large amounts of disposable income.

Ixrec

should've put your visual studio settings in version control

PreferenceBean

4:28 PM

read: this is useless and extremely expensive

Ampt

@Ixrec ...

enderland

@PreferenceBean VR never appealed to those people

Ixrec

@Ampt (I was not being serious)

@enderland it didn't? I've heard good things about VR from sources which meet that description

PreferenceBean

@Ixrec that should be the new "(removed)"

user41796

@Ixrec I'd argue it's not that bad of an idea. Especially when your preferred settings don't align with the default

enderland

4:29 PM

@Ixrec VR has always been an overpriced toy

Ampt

@GlenH7 except now every dev gets YOUR preferred settings

PreferenceBean

> rev 23451: changed all spaces to tabs

Ixrec

yeah, putting .whateverrc files in version control is hardly unheard of

PreferenceBean

now they can use whatever settings they like

Ixrec

I assume VS settings aren't quite so idempotent though

PreferenceBean

4:30 PM

because tab indentation is the best thing ever

@Ixrec impotent perhaps

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec if I could I would.. I do with emacs but the visual studio settings don't just save to one file. It all saves all over and who knows where

user41796

@Ampt And now we have a more consistent coding style...

enderland

@GlenH7 unless you are a shortcut junkie in which case no one will code anything more. though I guess that is still "consistent" ;)

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa I bet you're "not allowed" to use half of the VS features, too, amirite

ic

Ixrec

this is why some applications allow tiers of settings files, one for the repo and per-user overrides

Ampt

4:31 PM

@GlenH7 heh, because forcing everyone to use the same exact window layout leads to more code consistency. Talk about a leap of faith.

Ixrec

I think our linters do that

that sort of thing scares me though

user41796

@Ampt No, I was referring more to the Tools -> Options type of settings. That's stored in a separate file

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 you know what causes a more consistent coding style? Make everyone write Haskell in Spacemacs. Done.

user41796

You were just trying to find a way to work in a reference to spacemacs today

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 mod abuse!

enderland

4:33 PM

also I think it's amusing I see more mod closes here from Oded than the actual site moderators

user41796

Thomas closes quite a few as well

Ampt

Speaking of mods, I wonder how @WorldEngineer is doing lately?

PreferenceBean

haven't seen him since he threatened to ban me

Ampt

I'm sure he wasn't without his reasons, too.

user41796

@PreferenceBean Likely meant suspend, not ban. Yes, there is a difference

PreferenceBean

4:36 PM

@Ampt considering he came into a conversation out of the blue to say nothing but that, it felt more than a little ironic

@GlenH7 w/e

user41796

@PreferenceBean He generally just lurks when the conversation is rolling by

PreferenceBean

ok so check this out

enderland

like shog. but I think shog has a direct port on his brain for all SE content

PreferenceBean

getting there

hah, coming back to that image in its own tab was very confusing

Ampt

seeing someone elses messages highlighted in blue is confusing...

PreferenceBean

4:39 PM

finding yourself having daily conversations with a sock is confusing

Ampt

hey, don't look at me, I'm just a figment of @GlenH7's imagination.

PreferenceBean

that makes much more sense then

user41796

@Ampt No, no. Today you belong to @MichaelT.

Ampt

Ugh, I wish you guys would tell me the custody schedule in advance.

user41796

Pshaw, yeah whatever. As if we'd give you that sense of autonomy....

user15026

4:42 PM

@Ampt He's still alive, if that helps. :)

Ampt

I was hoping you guys would remove my sense of smell one of these updates... I'll take that over autonomy!

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt s/autonomy/anatomy/

both things a sock lacks

PreferenceBean

@GlenH7 or an anatomy

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean don't know what you did there, my bookmarklet works perfectly well.

PreferenceBean

damn too late

Ampt

4:44 PM

Or an anatomy!

PreferenceBean

27 mins ago, by PreferenceBean

I'm playing with removing the frame

@Ampt ^_^

Jimmy Hoffa

oh I see it. That frame. Yeah, just change the css on it.

can the drop shadow, blank the background, delete the "new feed items" text if you want..

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa I hid the whole thing. Or so I'd thought. Come to think of it, SE is obviously re-showing it lol duh

also need to hook in somehow to line-limit the RHS, though I like how it looks now

(the idea being that the container can just go entirely - only the list itself need be in the sidebar)

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean the container is attached to the "dismiss" button though, as well as I would guess the event that adds items to the list to begin with

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa apparently not

per my screenshot

Jimmy Hoffa

4:54 PM

oh, that stuff is getting added after being moved over?

PreferenceBean

yes

user55340

@enderland that git/docker question, the OP is going to have problems some day if the core competencies of the company are being developed by external (untrusted) developers.

enderland

@MichaelT details, details... :P

Ixrec

that's the sort of question I quickly lose interest in, because I just don't understand the mindset that thinks the source code all by itself is the valuable part of the business

PreferenceBean

eh

user55340

4:56 PM

4

Q: What Does It Mean For An Idea To Be Protectable

I just finished watching Mark Cuban 4 Parts of an Ideal Investment Pitch. Mark [Cuban] is looking for four things: The company’s core competency, why you’re great, how the idea is protectable and how it can scale. What does it mean for an idea to be protectable?

user55340

@Ixrec it's not a code or workflow issue... It's a business plan and organization problem.

Ixrec

yes

PreferenceBean

5:19 PM

gimme feeeeedz

the one time I want to see them....

Jimmy Hoffa

you're the one screwing with a perfectly good solution :P

PreferenceBean

I think I've got it

and it's much better ;)

will share when data comes in & I can verify end-to-end

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean you've interleaved them with the items in the starboard and given them random numbers of stars each, amirite?

PreferenceBean

yeah

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean just got items in the feed. If you see nothing, you are b0rk.

PreferenceBean

5:30 PM

automatically styles each item and limits them to 5 max

I think the most recent. Too early to be sure :P

the line spacing is a bit wacky still but otherwise I'm happy with it

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean no dismiss button

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa no need for one

the entire purpose of this exercise is to remove the need to dismiss anything

you can't dismiss stars

Jimmy Hoffa

it removes them when over 5 show up?

@PreferenceBean can too.

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa wot

@JimmyHoffa yeah

keeps only up to 5 most recent in view

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean you see that "I Pledge allegiance" star of yours on the starboard?

PreferenceBean

5:31 PM

nooooo

Jimmy Hoffa

Say uncle

PreferenceBean

MOD ABUSE MOD ABUSE!!!

user55340

@JimmyHoffa for mod!

PreferenceBean

oh god

errors

huh wait something weird.... that might be a general underlying chat thing

three HTTP 409s on messages/new in my log

ahhhhh it's the "you're typing too fast" mechanism. ok

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean play.typeracer.com/?rt=1o5qg6434losq

PreferenceBean

5:36 PM

FWIW: pastebin.com/LwXTMpF4

(Changed max to 3 after adding some spacing)

@JimmyHoffa ok

Jimmy Hoffa

173wpm?

dafuq?

PreferenceBean

lol it made me take an anti-cheating test because I'm so fast

had to do it again for some semi-captcha'd text

could only just reproduce my speed. lucky.

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean yeah, it makes you do that if you're over 100

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa :D

what did you get? I was too busy being tested

Jimmy Hoffa

I typically hit 110-120

PreferenceBean

5:39 PM

loser

:D

> Current online records of sprint speeds on short text selections are 290 wpm, achieved by Guilherme Sandrini, on typingzone.com, and 256 wpm (a record caught on video), achieved by Sean Wrona, on TypeRacer. Wrona also maintained 174 wpm on a 50-minute test taken on hi-games.net.

jesus

Jimmy Hoffa

I've never seen somebody hit 170, dick

PreferenceBean

:)

seriously, feeds looks beautiful now <3 <3

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean you don't have to .remove() stuff

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa ynot

Jimmy Hoffa

instead of a timer you could use css gt child count comparator to display:none I think

PreferenceBean

5:43 PM

that'd be a memory leak

note that the timer is just a sort of document.onload.onload and is only used to encapsulate the script

I spy Feeds changes using DOM hooks

but you're probably right - could CSS-only the item removal

Jimmy Hoffa

div:nth-child(1) { display: block; }
div:nth-child(2) { display: block; }
div:nth-child(3) { display: block; }
div:nth-child(4) { display: block; }
div:nth-child(5) { display: block; }

^^ then have a blanket hidden for everything else

no need for the interval then

PreferenceBean

the interval has nothing to do with this

also that presumes that new items are prepended not appended (that may be true - I'm not sure yet)

the other thing is that I'd need to load that into a stylesheet - it can't be set from the userscript by any mechanism I'm aware of

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean can be

PreferenceBean

@JimmyHoffa howzat

Testing stuff like this is why I have socks... — Shog9 ♦ Feb 26 at 18:25

@Ampt proceed

Jimmy Hoffa

$('html > head').append($('<style>.tick-item:nth-child(1) { display: block; }</style>'));

PreferenceBean

5:49 PM

ew

dude

(pfft fine ;p)

$('#ticker-items div:gt(' + (MAX_TICKER_ITEMS + 1) + ')').remove(); is still nicer

in the mutation observer

Jimmy Hoffa

keeps the dom cleaner

PreferenceBean

heh I wonder if there are horrible recursion problems with my approach

@JimmyHoffa surely removing invisible and unneeded DOM elements is what keeps the DOM cleaner

Ampt

@PreferenceBean to?

PreferenceBean

@Ampt I dunno, make a joke or something

Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean yes; that's what I'm saying

PreferenceBean

5:51 PM

you don't have to

@JimmyHoffa ok

Ampt

gee, thanks. Now I feel obligated

PreferenceBean

:D

all part of the sockvice

What's wrong with this picture?

Kit Z. Fox

I can't work like this. I'm so tired and confused about what I'm doing all the time.

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox :(

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox have you tried heavy drinking?

PreferenceBean

5:55 PM

Yeah trust me it helps

Until you start shaking so much you can't carry the tea into the room, that is

Kit Z. Fox

I think my liver stopped working.

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox You should get a new one delivered

Kit Z. Fox

It will grow back eventually.

user55340

@PreferenceBean Amazon likely has one.

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox bigger and better than ever!

yesterday, by Jimmy Hoffa

@PreferenceBean worth noting: Persistent alcohol consumption over time causes the liver to actually swell and grow, to the point of making a visible expression to the outside.

PreferenceBean

5:56 PM

[rats]

Something to look forward to.

Kit Z. Fox

Yes, that's part of cirrhosis, innit?

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox So what's up?

Kit Z. Fox

That and the nice yellow color.

@PreferenceBean I have yet another head cold. I can't seem to track work in an agile fashion. I feel like I'm constantly chasing my tail.

PreferenceBean

can you be more specific

Jimmy Hoffa

@KitZ.Fox then agile is working. Honestly, this seems to be precisely the way in which Agile is meant to function if empirical evidence is any indicator

PreferenceBean

5:59 PM

Um no

user55340

A Baby Red Fox Chasing His Tail

►

enderland

is there a good workflow for making pull requests that depend on other pull requests in git? I feel like there should be...

PreferenceBean

@enderland the answer is "quit your job"

amon

@enderland Pull requests are not a git feature, but a common workflow on top of ordinary merges. So if PR2 depends on PR1, we actually have three branches b2 for PR2, b1 for PR1, and master for the target branch. If PR2 expects that PR1 has been accepted before it is merged, we can encode that in git by merging b1 into b2.

PreferenceBean

@enderland I mean use SVN

Kit Z. Fox

6:10 PM

@PreferenceBean I can't get ahead of anything. I'm always reacting and never planning or never executing a plan anyway.

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox what sort of plans do you think you should be making?

Kit Z. Fox

@PreferenceBean What we are doing next. How things are going to get done.

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox What sort of things?

enderland

@amon yeah, github does that well too - I guess I could do a PR against my branch maybe? that seems silly though hah

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox What you do next is defined by the backlog, no? Doesn't sound like there's much to plan. That's a good thing!

enderland

6:13 PM

our project hasn't gotten big enough that it's easy to isolate PRs for different things, we're getting close but right now some of the functionality depends on other PRs

PreferenceBean

what's PR again

enderland

pull request

PreferenceBean

meh

you know what you need

an octopus merge!

Kit Z. Fox

@PreferenceBean Our requests are "redesign this page" and "move to a new data architecture" and "create a product catalog". When do I have time to break that down? I don't.

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox If that is all the detail given to you, send it back for lacking in sufficient detail

You can plan how best to go about writing that email

If there is enough detail, it's time to get your team together to perform a task breakdown

Kit Z. Fox

6:15 PM

You don't seem to understand that I don't have time for any of that.

And neither does the team.

PreferenceBean

If you can't perform task breakdowns then you can't perform tasks so you can't be too busy to do task breakdowns because there would be no tasks underway!

What is going on that takes up so much time?

Kit Z. Fox

So basically we're going 90 mph until the work runs out.

I don't like it.

PreferenceBean

and until everybody burns out

take an hour or two out to do task breakdowns - what's preventing that?

Kit Z. Fox

Everyone is working on the current sprint.

PreferenceBean

but you allocated some time in this sprint for planning the next one, correct?

enderland

6:17 PM

... oops

Kit Z. Fox

Friday morning.

PreferenceBean

then you're doing the task breakdowns on Friday morning

what's the problem

amon

@enderland What does depends-on mean? If the feature in branch2 needs the functionality of branch1 to work, they should already be merged. Remember, Git is distributed directed acyclic graphs all the way down. The commit graph should necessarily contain all dependencies. Or is the dependency more on an organizational level?

Kit Z. Fox

It takes more than 90 minutes to figure out how we plan to deliver a product catalog.

Etc.

PreferenceBean

then your first sprint retrospective will say "next time, we need to allocate more time for sprint planning because this was not sufficient". and you are all going to be a few hours under your targets this week because the meeting went on for longer than planned

it's agile. that's fine. shit happens

the important thing is not to panic about it because then you won't get anything done :)

Kit Z. Fox

6:19 PM

A product catalog is an enterprise-level venture that is much, much bigger than what we can do right now.

PreferenceBean

then push it back to management for being a pipe dream

Kit Z. Fox

A single planning session is not going to cover it ever.

PreferenceBean

then plan it over multiple sessions

Kit Z. Fox

We need a roadmap for that.

PreferenceBean

I give up - good luck

Kit Z. Fox

6:20 PM

No time for roadmaps.

enderland

@amon yeah. But now imagine that branch1 is based on master, but branch2 is further work on branch1 (or somehow requires functionality in branch1, at a basic level, maybe the API is consistent but it needs the functional changes) - it's interesting trying to figure a workflow out for how to do a PR for both at the same time

PreferenceBean

You're the scrum master. It's your job to make time. Tell people that something is infeasible. Tell people that they will set aside X hours for Y meeting. Don't take no for an answer. Complaining that you don't have time to do anything helps literally no-one, and panicking about it even less so.

enderland

technically you really shouldn't until branch1 gets approved, I guess

once a project is more mature it's a lot easier to avoid this because you can do meaningful branches exclusively from the master/trunk branch

Kit Z. Fox

@PreferenceBean No, I'm not. The dev lead is the scrum master.

PreferenceBean

What are you?

Kit Z. Fox

6:22 PM

Product owner.

PreferenceBean

besides a fox I mean

enderland

this is actually interesting enough for me I might write it out on the main site

PreferenceBean

Ok then it's definitely your job to push back on silly requests and get requirements scoped out

don't be afraid

Kit Z. Fox

It's not a silly request.

And I don't do requirements. I do "user stories".

PreferenceBean

you just said it's "much, much bigger than what we can do right now"

Kit Z. Fox

6:22 PM

Apparently. Now.

PreferenceBean

@KitZ.Fox user stories are requirements

Kit Z. Fox

User stories are placeholders to have discussions with the team about what business wants.

User stories are not requirements.

amon

@enderland If the PR2 were accepted, the PR1 would also be implicitly complete because the commit hash of the b1-head (which is included in the b2 history) would be contained in master. I think GitHub would mark PR1 as closed automatically.

enderland

@amon I think so, too - but is the best bet to just keep updating which PR you are working on? if it's a stopper for you it's more complicated :-)

amon

@enderland I'm not sure I follow, and at this point a main site question with necessary context and pretty ASCII-art branch diagrams might be a more convenient method of discourse.

enderland

6:28 PM

yeah... there are a few on SO but all of them relate to the mechanics and not the process

StackExchange

Kit couldn't stand the animation for this blog post announcement

Kit Z. Fox

6:49 PM

Why the animated gif? Why? Why??

Jimmy Hoffa

Because burning death.

user41796

@KitZ.Fox Thank you. I was just about to do something similar

enderland

0

Q: Workflow and process when branches have dependencies in git for code reviews

A fairly common workflow for working with git is: Fork master Make changes/add functionality in branch Make pull request for your branch vs master Merge pull request (after code review, automated tests, whatever) It is also possible to run this in parallel to another fork - perhaps you are ad...

version-control git workflows branching

Ampt

@KitZ.Fox @GlenH7 Clears throat

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user41796

@Ampt Huh?

enderland

6:59 PM

@GlenH7 kids these days...

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