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1:37 AM
@BenKovitz could be added as an era/movement, but I'd probably still keep or , as hopefully we'll have many questions about his writings before long.
 
Are any of those tags really necessary?
Wouldn't cover it adequately?
 
1:57 AM
@C.M.Weimer This is my go-to post for tagging methodology: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18878/…
Short version: always at least one broad and one narrow. Narrow tags especially help the "related questions" engine provide relevant results.
I know you'd hate to see it ;), but one day I hope we have dozens of questions on the Latin of Anselm, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, and others, and these tags will be useful for navigation and showing related questions
 
2:29 AM
Well, I won't complain too much, so long as it doesn't get out of hand.
But if we're including post-Classical authors, first and last name is likely a must.
 
@C.M.Weimer Don't get me wrong; I'm flexible on this too. Just because it works on the sites I am familiar with doesn't mean it's best for this site. definitely makes more sense on Christianity than on Latin.
But I think we'd benefit from getting specific with our tags, perhaps eventually even tagging individual works of Cicero rather than just . I doubt we'd ever get to that level with some of the post-classical guys.
 
2:46 AM
I think "martin-luther" (sorry, don't know how to give it the tag box) is absolutely necessary, lest people use "luther" to tag questions about Luther Vandross's Latin.
 
[ + tag:tag-name] (remove + and spaces)
 
Ah, so like [+tag:luther-vandross].
Hmm.
Or not.
 
there you go
I should have said "'+' and any spaces"
 
That, or I could have actually read what you wrote.
 
2:58 AM
Hello!
Is there anyone who would not think of the great Luther first?
I wouldn't know any other Luther.
Although I do not object to the specification.
 
By "the great Luther," I assume you mean Luther Vandross?
 
No, I don't think so either, but it might not be immediately obvious to someone looking at the tags.
 
@JoelDerfner Haha who?
 
That's my feeling, but I can't back that up with any facts.
 
3:01 AM
Besides, who would refer to a first name?
Or, if that isn't a first name, to a partial surname?
 
What do you all think of this? latin.stackexchange.com/questions/320/…
1 close vote, and I'm tempted to do it, but it's not a terribly difficult question to answer.
tempted to agree with that*
oh, and now -1.
 
Luther Vandross, multi-#1-hit-songwriter.
 
Ummm.
I stick with my earlier comments.
 
I say close it, because it's a question by somebody who isn't actually interested in Latin.
 
Is that always a problem?
 
3:06 AM
@C.M.Weimer "In what accent?" would have been OK, as would be "how would he have pronounced single word x"; but I'd say this is too broad.
@JoelDerfner Why do you think he isn't?
 
No, but there's no effort shown to answer it.
 
Or could we re-edit it to say something like, "How would Martin Luther have pronounced Latin" and gave them some rules and sent them on their way?
 
Yes.
That's a kinder solution.
 
I don't disagree. As I said, only reason why I answered it was because it was easy enough to answer.
 
I just woke up from a nap, so I'm crabby.
 
3:07 AM
Or "in what accent?".
At any rate, I agree the question is meh as it is.
Maybe a sound file could be a short, specific answer.
 
"I'm working on an elocution piece and I'd like to know how to pronounce this. Wikipedia says blah blah blah, but I'm having trouble understanding la, la, la, la, la."
That would be a much better question.
 
Seconded.
I think this will be a problem henceforth and therefore we should reach some sort of common solution, even if it is malleable.
 
@C.M.Weimer I like that question a lot more, but I don't know if it would be enough for the OP.
 
My vote is to tell OP to come back once s/he has done some research and then close the question.
I'm having visions of spending the rest of my life (or, more properly, @C.M.Weimer, @Cerberus, @chirlu, et al. spending the rest of their lives) editing questions from lazy people to make them less lazy.
Ah, I didn't realize site-custom reasons were a thing. Close for "lack of demonstrated attempts to find answer" or something.
(Wow. I'm usually an overgenerous person by far, but put me in a chat room and see what happens....)
 
3:26 AM
@JoelDerfner You can make up your own right now on an ad hoc basis, but in the future we'll be able to write ones that are site-specific, like ELU's "please include the research you've done"
 
No need to look for the Meta.SE post. Reasons seem fairly obvious.
 
Final question: what about questions that are just slight variants on another, like LePressentiment's questions on prefixes?
 
HA!
I was wondering about that.
 
One of the problem of the "too broad! be more specific!" is that sometimes a broad answer covers a lot of too specific questions.
But it's not quite a dupe.
 
Because each of those examples used to be part of his/her previous question (which I answered at some length) on prefixes.
 
3:29 AM
Check for yourself, they're all up toward the top.
 
In fact, in my answer I have something like, "So, to take your example of limitare/delimitare," which used to be in the question, but now s/he's taken it out of the question and just made it a new question.
 
Just ctrl + f and type "prefix"
 
@C.M.Weimer I think they're okay, but perhaps not worthy of upvotes. They are specific and they are distinct. To me there's nothing really closeable about an uninteresting question, so votes are the way to go.
 
Maybe an edit so the title is something like "what makes delimitare different from limitare"?
 
It's not so much in my opinion that they're uninteresting, but they all can be answered exactly the same - prefixes are in fact often redundant. That's especially symptomatic of later Latin tendencies, but it's even seen in Classical.
 
3:32 AM
I can't tell whether s/he is asking about prefixes in general or actually wants to know about those specific words.
 
@C.M.Weimer If that's the case, and there really isn't anything unique about these individual cases, then I could be persuaded to go the duplicate route.
 
> Please include the research you've done,
This is the main part of one of the closing-reasons on English.
 
I don't quite like thinking of rep in those terms.
 
@Cerberus It's a good close reason there, because of the vast amounts of sheer ineptitude that come through the door. I don't think it's often adopted at other language sites though, because they don't have quite as much ineptitude, and they are more accommodating to language learners (ELU is specifically not).
 
What's ELU?
Ah, right.
I've seen those questions pop up on a sidebar.
 
3:39 AM
There's also English Language Learners, where the decent questions asked by people who don't speak English often end up via migration
 
@QPaysTaxes In most respects, I think I agree, but I don't think it is a good idea to encourage spamming answers either.
 
@Nathaniel Quite possibly.
@QPaysTaxes Correction: spamming popular answers will.
 
Also, mediocre answers will get upvoted if they're posted early, while very thorough and well-researched answers posted late largely get passed over, even if they're the accepted answer ahemcoughcough
 
@QPaysTaxes Not at all
 
And an answer to a popular question is far more likely to become popular.
@C.M.Weimer True.
 
3:41 AM
I think the pontifex question is proof enough of that.
But maybe no one wanted to read a 700 word mini-essay, for which I do not blame them one whit.
and a hearty laugh toward whoever just upvoted that post - I promise that was not a plea for rep.
 
246
A: Is there a non-sexual phrase for sleeping with someone?

GamemorizeWell with babies we often say 'to sleep(/be) in the bed with'. As in "our baby sleeps in the bed with us." This extends to adults. Warning... NOTE the use of THE, 'in the bed' is different than 'in bed'!!! Compare 'I was in bed with him' and 'I was in the bed with him'. Would any of the followi...

There is nothing wrong with this answer, but I definitely would not say it is one of the "best" answers on English.SE.
And it has a score of 246.
Good, in what sense?
It's not inaccurate.
 
Oh, I can top that
 
Sure.
 
It's wrong!
 
@Cerberus By votes, this is the 10th best answer in the history of ELU: english.stackexchange.com/a/309134/53711
 
3:45 AM
Why yes, yes it is. Speaking like that is not good English.
 
I have to say "our baby sleeps in bed with us" sounds fine and non-sexual to me.
 
I think that's a bit stilted, too.
 
@QPaysTaxes Sure. Short version for me is, if you put something like this on the main site, even with community wiki, it sets precedent for all sorts of resource recommendation questions. If it's closed, then no one can add anything else. If it's locked, no one can vote, defeating the purpose.
 
"Our baby sleeps in our bed."
That's the phrase you language hooligans are looking for.
I know, which is why the answer is the upvoted answer is wrong.
 
@Nathaniel Hah! Nice. I don't think a better answer can be reasonably expected, and yet I find it hard to call it "one of the best answers on the site", because...the question is basically not very interesting, and the most appropriate answer to such a question is usually not very interesting either. That's probably also what you meant, isn't it?
 
3:48 AM
"They were in the bed together." - This is not good English by any standard.
 
@QPaysTaxes It's still precedent. Sure, there are ways to make less problematic, but such posts don't fit the tone of the main site.
 
Sorry, I would definitely underline my student's paper with red pen if someone wrote that to mean that.
Usage, primarily, but the definite article there is supposed to be used for specificity, and it's not.
 
@Cerberus Exactly. I have no clue how it ended up being on the hot network questions list for a week, but I rep capped on four consecutive days thanks to that answer. Absurd.
 
She crashed in my bed is a great way to say it without any sexual meaning.
 
@QPaysTaxes Okay, how about this. "Thomas sleeps in bed with me." Suppose you heard this in the underground, without context. Then later, the same person said, "Thomas is now 2 months old". Would you be very surprised? Or do you agree that "x sleeps in bed with me" is neutral enough that it can indicate any kind of bed-sharing, sexual or no?
 
3:50 AM
Even the split the bed is preferable to "slept with me in the bed"
Awkward, stilted, and makes Jane Austen weep.
 
Ugh, I made a nasty typo.
Did you read that without the "the"?
Because the answer suggests that, without the, it is bound to be sexual.
OK cool.
At any rate, do you find that answer super interesting? If you had to convince an (educated) friend to visit English.SE, would you pick that answer?
 
Man, you leave for five minutes and see what you miss....
 
How is it good?
 
@QPaysTaxes OK perhaps that is debatable.
 
Wait, @QPaysTaxes, you're on Latin D?
 
3:54 AM
Isn't that the whole point of what @Cerberus was saying?
 
@QPaysTaxes Sure, the answer is not bad.
 
Why is it at the top when it's middling at best?
I'm saying it's wrong. Cerberus said popularity breeds upvotes.
 
@QPaysTaxes I kind of was trying to add that as an additional argument, I confess.
 
Sorry, what's CW-mode? (Catching up here.)
 
So my position is that the score of an answer works fairly well to differentiate between better and worse answers to the same question; but that a high absolute score does not work well to indicate an very interesting or worthy or whatever answer. The reason is obviously that the absolute score of an answer depends heavily on the score of the question.
@QPaysTaxes Good example.
@QPaysTaxes Hah, nuance!
@QPaysTaxes I think it is more of a multiplication: answer score = popularity of question x how appropriate an answer it is to the question x how interesting it is per se.
Good night!
@QPaysTaxes I didn't mean to say your phrasing was wrong, but I'd like to move the emphasis a little bit to the other factors.
Gute Nacht!
 
4:03 AM
Somnia auri somnia.
 
Can you dream a genitive?
 
@QPaysTaxes, are you on Latin :D?
 
L&S seem to have accusative and de.
 
If so, what's your username there?
 
Probably Unius Cornus?
"A horse of one horn"?
 
4:05 AM
Really I guess "Somnia aurea somnia" is better.
 
@QPaysTaxes Ohh of course.
slaps self
facepaw
 
@QPaysTaxes Oh, sorry, I thought your earlier thing about stealing to use on Latin :D was referring to another site I'm on, but it was just an emoticon.
 
Gute Nacht.
Bonne nuit.
Goedenacht.
 
Spanish: buenas noches / que duermas bien / suena con los angelitos
 
Kalê nux.
 
4:08 AM
@QPaysTaxes Never mind. Because now I can't even find the thing I thought I was referring to.
I am obviously out of my mind.
 
@QPaysTaxes German French Dutch.
 
Lilah tov is Hebrew.
 
@QPaysTaxes Translitteration of Greek.
Although I'm not actually sure how they said that.
 
Goedenacht would be Swedish, yes, rather than German?
 
@QPaysTaxes I can vouch for Dutch, German, and French.
@JoelDerfner Dutch.
 
4:09 AM
Well, they said kale hemera, so I don't see why kale nux wouldn't be reasonable.
 
I know they say something like that in New Greek, kali n-something.
 
I don't know how to say "good night" in Russian, but I do know how to say, "Excuse me, may I come in? It's me, Olga. I have some bread."
 
@QPaysTaxes That is the traditional one. There are others, but I wanted be 100% sure not to recommend non-U versions.
(I'm not current on U-German...)
Schlaf wohl exists.
Non-U = bourgeois.
Heh.
What would you consider poetic?
 
"Gute Ruh'" would be poetic but might also be used if you were talking about a nap.
 
By the way, you're still up chatting with strangers instead of doing the thing you're talking about...
@JoelDerfner Do they actually say that?
Ah, OK.
There are things like that you can say in Dutch, but they all sound...stupid, to my ear, because Dutch culture is just too...down to earth.
Some people say zoete dromen.
= sweet dreams.
But it may be an anglicism.
Yes.
And the country is Nederland.
I don't know why foreigners make such a fuss about it.
Exactly! Nederlanders are the people.
Exactly, Dutchmen are like Smurfs.
 
4:15 AM
Well, they did in the 19th century, which is when most of my German is from.
Sorry, that last was to @Cerberus in re "Gute Ruhe."
 
Ah, OK.
Good to know.
 
(I spent a summer in Berlin some years ago studying German, and because of all the Bach and Schubert I'd sung I was able to fake my way through the placement test and get put in an intermediate level. But then for the first two weeks I could only say things in this very, very archaic language: "Kind sir, hast thou a pencil?"
 
Haha, excellent.
 
"The apartment of mine landlord hath many windows."
 
Nothing wrong with that.
Songs are a good way to learn a language.
Although learning it only from songs will result in a rather particular parlance.
 
4:18 AM
Yes, I know, but my German wasn't only archaic, it was also ill-informed.
So there was a lot of "mine landlord."
 
@QPaysTaxes In Middle or Old English, it was probably something like mine always...
Wise.
Fair enough.
 
@QPaysTaxes Woops, sueña needs a ñ too... that's okay, I'll add it
 
-a
Goedenacht!
Ita est.
Et tu!
 
 
18 hours later…
9:56 PM
I thought, "I need to answer more questions." And then there was a question on poverty in the 1300s-1600s.
Thank, you Google Books.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:19 PM
I'm not terribly concerned that many questions can be answered by basic research, but I do hope they get a little more advanced as time marches on.
 
11:31 PM
You are probably one of the best-qualified people here to ask tough questions, so go for it. There's no harm if they sit unanswered, and maybe they'll draw new experts out of the woodwork.
 
I thought about doing so, but I have no idea what to ask.
Unless it really stretched the definition of "Latin-related".
If only ancient Greek questions were asked, too! Though rest assured I have been ruminating on it.
 
@C.M.Weimer In quod impræsentiárum incumbis? Dé hóc potes rogáre?
I'll do my best to make my questions more advanced.
 
I've been working on the etymology of Falacer for a while. No real progress was made. I have questions about Roman religion still, but the answers are found, if at all, in papers I hear at conferences. I'm very much interested in the role of the Tiber in Roman economic travel, but that's more for history.se than here, I would imagine.
 

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