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12:25 AM

@Mokubai Funny, I rather an app use Facebook integration and authentication than, say, use its own authentication system. I'm in the camp in that there are only a small percentage of sites out there that properly secure their user/pass systems.

1:19 AM

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1:42 AM

@nhinkle Definitely interested!

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Q: Sponsoring some Community FAQs and Canonical Answers

The other day in chat, Daniel Beck and Surfasb helped come up with the idea of sponsoring questions with bounties to create or improve some Community FAQs and canonical answer posts. If you're not familiar with how Community FAQs work, they're a way for us to create a collaborative posts to ans...

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I have this Question Favorited superuser.com/questions/350468/… because i am wondering one thing still. Would it work to just disable the Drive Device in the device manager , in both XP and win7 ? For some reason removing a map letter only, seems meaningless, the disk is still there?

Remove the "letter" only, then toss in many scenarios, A rootkit? letter needed? A deleting virus? , is any type of cross net sharing, or linking to an unlettered drive possible? In a Remote connection, would a difference exist between a device disabled vrses a letter missing?

2:02 AM

For the questioner it is about "partition" , for myself having fully seperate disks, in the same computer. I am thinking about totally "isolating" the systems like the original question.

@nhinkle: Depending when the event is and how busy I am at that point, you might however see me on the answering side of that benefactor.

3:05 AM

I'm tempted to donate rep, but.. I don't have a whole ton, and it just makes it harder to get closer to privileges... But then I feel like a selfish bastard. Blah

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Nifty, I wonder if it's possible to inject an own CSS though...

@Tom appears that bug hasn't been fixed yet eh?

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Q: StackExchange Theme Switcher

Inspired by this post. Now you too can enjoy the satisfaction of switching SE's themes at will like the devs do, albeit this affects your browser only: This creates a dropdown at the bottom of the page that allows you to switch themes: Installation Click HERE to install the user script. C...

Or not then :p

@SimonSheehan It has, just playing around with this userscript. He was smart enough to extract the code... :)

3:07 AM

Haha. Well, off to bed.

I wonder whether there are other features in the debug build, because more dangerous things could have happened.

Well, they are at least smart enough not to put it visible on each page. :)

Journeyman Geek

3:25 AM

@nhinkle: I'd be tempted to, but what decides what's the right canonical answer?

@JourneymanGeek we'll have to figure that out however people choose to do it. Perhaps most-voted, or whatever the person with the rep feels like is the best answer.

@SimonSheehan don't feel any pressure - this is a totally voluntary thing for users who have rep to burn and want to put it towards something together.

4:30 AM

Steam Holiday sale is upon us!

just logging on will get you a gift. In my case:

DIRT3 is 11.5 GB download?! gamers are crazy.

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That sounds like a small download.

@TomWijsman not when your monthly bandwidth cap is 20GB

@TomWijsman what?! no way. I don't fill up my machine with stuff like that

@Sathya, @TomWijsman it would take me all night to download that.

4:32 AM

@studiohack You don't have to have games that you don't currently play on your machine.

@studiohack only all night?

@Sathya yeah, and that's if my internet speed is at its peak, around 3.5 to 4.13 mbps

@TomWijsman well I'm building a PC, but still... that's huge

Seems I have a Portal gift and a -25% valve gift.

@TomWijsman I don't have any gift it seems. I'm cool :P last time i bought a game was Zoo Tycoon in middle school, for $7 on ebay.

I've been given Civ II, IV, Age of Empires II, and Portal. as well as Dirt3.

@studiohack: Well, dunno if Sathya got one for logging in. But you need to click through to the Store and click something over there.

It's called "The Great Gift Pile"

4:41 AM

I have to complete objectives. no time. too much school

You should get a gift for just clicking on that button, @studiohack.

And I believe on a daily basis you can get one free there, not entirely sure. Haven't read the text.

@TomWijsman no gift, have to complete daily objectives

Strange, it says that you should get one...

@studiohack you should have one for clicking on anything

Where do you find the gifts?

4:42 AM

store.steampowered.com/holidaysale

click store and then great gift pile @nhinkle

click on view inventory

ah there we go

Store -> The Great Gift Pile to unlock a free gift (and see your objectives)

And then indeeed as Sathya says: View -> Inventory

nice... 33% off

4:44 AM

All my objectives say I need to buy a game in order to complete them. #fail

tricky valve

got it... same as @nhinkle. fail, not gonna do anything with that, so if you guys want a code (if there is one), then you guys can have it

I think you get a procentual gift based on the amount of (Valve) games you have.

btw, @nhinkle you should activate your copy of Dirt3 before the end of the year (it expires), and just associate it with your Steam account, not necessarily even downloading it, and then you can play it or gift it later. at least don't lose it

@TomWijsman well, yeah you can't win an objective based on a game you don't have :P

4:45 AM

say, how's portal coming along @studiohack? and yeah i guess i could do that

I find it pretty stupid that I had to pay the full 30 euro for Portal 2 while it's now 75% off. :/

@nhinkle I stopped around 14ish, no time to return. the level is too frustrating.

@TomWijsman why? regional restrictions?

No, it costed like that much back then if I'm not wrong.

Or am I wrong?

oh i see what you mean

4:47 AM

Erm... 30 euro :P

well heck, portal cost like $30 originally, and has been free a couple times now

Erm... Portal 2. Now that sentence should be correct... :D

I haven't really played Portal 2 much. Only a single run through single player and one or two runs through multiplayer (including the DLC)

Might as well go for some (speed) runs after my exams

4:59 AM

@studiohack Me neither, too busy with school.

Probably going to fill in my wish list to be in the competition but that's that...

8 hours later…

Jakub Narębski

12:40 PM

@JourneymanGeek: 2.4GHz wireless, same as for wireless keyboard; I don't know the official name

1 hour later…

Journeyman Geek

2:03 PM

@JakubNarębski: er.. with respect to what? ;p

Jakub Narębski

2:48 PM

@JourneymanGeek: Errr... sorry, it was about laser pointers (as computer peripherals).

Journeyman Geek

ya, but a laser pointer is just a laser pointer

the thing you were referring to is probably a presentation remote. emulates keystrokes so you can control powerpoint and such

@JakubNarębski: like this google.com/…

Argh... Why o why do people post SE things on individual metas? o_O

I know I have mocked in the comments before on a similar question, but this almost makes me want to just copy and paste the post onto Meta.SO.

They either don't receive much attention or they enter the system through a loophole because the users needed to vote on the idea is minimal.

Questions on this site are expected to be discussion, support, and feature requests for Super User.

2 hours later…

4:55 PM

@TomWijsman But this is totally up to Daniel to decide. It's not like he doesn't know MSO.

@slhck So, I am supposed to copy it if I want to see it applied everywhere?

@TomWijsman If changed, it would apply to any site, not SU specifically.

Also, he knows he can migrate it. But given that it's a bug report, and this bug applies to all SE sites, I don't see the particular problem with it. Yes, I'd have posted it on MSO, but … yeah, personal preference, I guess.

@slhck: It hides things from the community. I could go and use any inactive site's meta to loophole lower quality features / bug fixes and what not into the system, I don't think this kind of behavior is fine. But indeed, it's personal preference as long as they allow this, but it still makes no sense...

Now you're presuming MSU is "any inactive site's meta", and it's totally hidden from the community, which of course it isn't ;) — I mean, the SE team looks there. There's definitely nothing to worry about, or anything abusive, destructive or otherwise discourageable.

6:07 PM

lolololol! deleted before I could even flag it, of course, but I thought this was hilarious...

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6:37 PM

@slhck SE team != community

@TomWijsman of course not, but what's the issue, really?

Do you think there's any harm done?

@slhck: Yes, because it isn't reviewed by the community.

You mean the SE wide community?

@TomWijsman Because it's a team-sanctioned thing to do.

Correct, which enriches the quality.

6:40 PM

@TomWijsman Because MSO rep is disconnected from SU rep and I want to see how others judge my posts.

@TomWijsman Because I don't like MSO, it feels more like an SO-specific Meta than a Meta for issues common to all SE sites.

@DanielBeck We are a community.

There are people who don't even know MSO

@TomWijsman Because I want to see whether others on SU support the issue I raise before I send them off to be buried between 50 new topics a day on MSO .

They still count as community

@DanielBeck I don't see anything other than being scared to lose cross-site reputation.

@DanielBeck It is however a meta for issues common to all SE sites.

6:42 PM

@TomWijsman Even if it were true, why would that bother you?

@DanielBeck I wouldn't call it buried, because it still receives a lot more attention.

Out of curiosity, why is there no MSE, with a dedicated MSO that behaves like all of the other child metas?

@soandos Historical reasons.

@slhck Where did I say that his reputation bothers me, that argument is just bogus.

@soandos Because they got it wrong to begin with and now it's too late.

6:43 PM

@TomWijsman Well I assumed that something about Daniel posting on MSU bothers you, because you voted to close?

@TomWijsman I don't get that argument.

@slhck It's about the post, not about Daniel whatsoever.

@DanielBeck If it weren't about the SE community, one could as well mail his idea after discussing it in chat here.

@TomWijsman The person posting wasn't my main point here (otherwise I wouldn't be discussing now), but what's so wrong about posting there that you voted to close?

@slhck Read the close reason, because that's why I voted to close...

Nothing wrong about literal interpretation.

@TomWijsman It is wrong because the team has already mentioned that they are perfectly fine with those questions.

6:47 PM

@TomWijsman So if it were a feature request, it'd be fine?

@slhck: Yet, I can disagree with that?

That's the reason why we have votes anyway...

@TomWijsman Even though both bug and feature request are team-directed and solved in the same source files?

Yes, feel free to vote, but it does not seem justified.

@DanielBeck Doesn't matter what it is tagged.

@TomWijsman You mentioned the reason you voted to close, and it says Questions on this site are expected to be discussion, support, and feature requests for Super User.. So that's why I'm asking, whether it'd be acceptable if it were a feature request.

6:50 PM

Then let's just change the text on the close reason.

@DanielBeck Still doesn't get it to have community review.

@DanielBeck And as I already said, it doesn't matter.

@TomWijsman Have you ever seen any network-wide feature request on SU really become status-completed?

Fix my bug is support, imo...

@TomWijsman Well, yes. The SU community. Just because they share the same software and login doesn't make them a community.

@slhck In any case, not as discussed and worked out as on MSO.

@DanielBeck I think you mean the M.SU community, it's a huge difference.

6:53 PM

@TomWijsman Not as big as the difference SO/MSO.

@DanielBeck Since when are we comparing parents?

M.SO vs M.SU...

And M.SO applies to all sites.

What's in a name anyway?

@TomWijsman I don't participate on MSO. I only care about SU. The team officially declared "child Metas" a valid host for bug reports and feature request relevant to all sites. Therefore, MSU. If my topic doesn't get enough attention and is abandoned, what do you care?

@DanielBeck I have already said what I cared about. I have already voted. I don't see your problem?

@DanielBeck Feel free to chime in. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/116629/…

@DanielBeck The team is not the community.

7:00 PM

@TomWijsman What community?

@DanielBeck: The Stack Exchange community, as said multiple times.

@TomWijsman Point to more than one mentioning of that please. The only reference to SE community in chat this evening is buried in a snarky comment.

4 hours ago, by Tom Wijsman

I know I have mocked in the comments before on a similar question, but this almost makes me want to just copy and paste the post onto Meta.SO.

4 hours ago, by Tom Wijsman

They either don't receive much attention or they enter the system through a loophole because the users needed to vote on the idea is minimal.

@TomWijsman No mention of SE community whatsoever.

@TomWijsman Also not.

25 mins ago, by slhck

You mean the SE wide community?

7:05 PM

I consider "SE community" as a whole to be separate from MSO.

25 mins ago, by Tom Wijsman

Correct, which enriches the quality.

@TomWijsman Please explain to me how the community is relevant for a bug report. Prioritization by votes, but we already know those are mostly ignored. So what's left?

Mentioned it twice, and that should be enough.

@DanielBeck Improving the bug in the best possible manner.

@TomWijsman It either exists, or it doesn't. Unless it's rejected, it's a pretty awesome bug.

I'd also say that the criteria to be used what topics need to be deleted are somewhat site specific.

@DanielBeck The "questions can't have 'problem' in the title" bug affects different SE communities in a different way.

@DanielBeck In your case, people could work together to forming good documentation for this purpose. Such that we don't have to add another bug because the team wrote something of low quality...

If we're not working together as a community, but rather sending individual ideas to a team; what are we here for then?

7:18 PM

@TomWijsman Kick the SO specific questions off MSO and I'd be tempted to participate. I just really dislike their historical mess and unwillingness to fix it. As it is, I see MSO as SO's Meta, not SE's Meta, especially since the team declared that all Metas are equivalent with respect to bug reports and feature requests. MSO is bigger than MSU, sure, but it's bigger because SO is bigger than SU. There is absolutely nothing making MSO the super special Meta for bug reports.

@DanielBeck And that's what I want to see changed, but again... What's in a name anyway?

@TomWijsman, not to interject, but a description of how they see themselves, and how they want others to see them.

@TomWijsman All Metas apply to all sites, at least in regards to bugs and features. If there is no reason to want additional exposure by users of a site you don't care about, the topics are just fine on the child Metas.

@soandos Now look at the content.

@soandos: Similarly, banks do more than store your money. Posts do more than just delivering your post. Schools do more than teaching you things. And so on...

@TomWijsman, It does not matter so much what the content is. The people/organization there have said this is who we are. The content is not that relevant. It is much more about the focus and attitude than anything esle.

7:23 PM

@DanielBeck Yeah, that's fine. But the case is here that other users do want additional exposure.

@soandos Can you quote that they said that they are only about SO?

It's just because it is too hard to split right now that they aren't doing it, but they really should...

@TomWijsman, Its not something they said explicitly, its the title. Meta StackOverflow.

@TomWijsman That is what the name means.

@TomWijsman Users choose their community. I'm free to ask my OS X question on Apple.SE or SU, I'm free to ask my Ubuntu Apache mod_rewrite question on SU, SO, SF, Unix.SE or AskUbuntu (and probably Webmasters.SE), and I'm free to post my bug report to MSU or MSO. If it doesn't work out on the original site, I can flag and have it migrated (which I have done before by the way!)

But that involves a lot of link rot, a lot of manual work splitting the questions, a downtime for both Meta.SO and Meta.SE until both sites are fine and a lot of other administrative problems.

@soandos What's in a name anyway?

That is my answer.

If I call Bob tomorrow, does it change who I am? o_O

7:26 PM

Yes. But perhaps it is more accurate to say that your name is a reflection of who you are. If you want to change it, it means something has changed from before.

@DanielBeck Personal preference is irrelevant here, this is about the team's decision to introduce that loophole.

@TomWijsman They have done it with MSU AFAICT. It'd be pretty easy to rename MSO to MSE, create a new MSO that works like all child Metas, and then migrate the topics over whenever they come across one. All others will be buried in the archives never to bother anyone again. Given that most site-specific stuff is likely short-lived, it'd not be a real issue.

I like your idea, I'm glad you posted it on Meta.SU.

But I really don't like that any ideas/requests/bugs/... that should receive network-wide community attention are posted onto individual metas...

@DanielBeck No, because you break all the links to M.SO.

@TomWijsman, I think your problem is with the current offical position of where things can be posted.

@TomWijsman Well, you are free to dislike it, but you should still act according to established rules, or not participate at all. The way to change things is not to act against the established system, but to raise and discuss the issues and come to a common decision.

7:30 PM

@soandos Yes, that's right.

I don't use my privileges on SU to act against established practice either.

@DanielBeck Where have I not acted according to established rules?

It's probably unwise to interject here, but this seems to stem from a miscorrelation that "applies to all sites" means "needs network-wide community attention".

I've voted to close, as per the close reason. I've explained myself to the one asking for explanation for the close reason and no further.

I've left a short mocking about it on the chat, but that's that.

@GraceNote I don't understand, out of what quote does that come?

@TomWijsman While being aware that the topic is perfectly fine on MSO as related to you before directly by diamonds and indirectly by the team.

7:33 PM

@TomWijsman It's not a direct quote.

@GraceNote I don't understand your sentence... :(

You asked where my quote came from and I told you it wasn't a direct quote. I just used quotation marks to identify the specific clauses in my own sentence, not as a citation.

Yes, but "applies to all sites" and "needs network-wide community" must come from somewhere. Or do you mean that we are discussing about those two different things?

@TomWijsman That's your argument, isn't it? Because some topics raised on MSU affect the entire network, you want to bring them to attention network wide?

@DanielBeck: Yes.

7:37 PM

From my understanding, slhck's request (and by extension the policy we have in place) refers to anything which applies to all sites on the network, while your complaints are about things that need network-wide community review.

5 hours ago, by Tom Wijsman

Questions on this site are expected to be discussion, support, and feature requests for Super User.

@TomWijsman And Grace Note says, that's a miscorrelation.

@TomWijsman Yes. If I ask a support question about bounties on Super User, it's a support question for Super User. Even if the nature of bounties is across the entire Stack Exchange engine.

@GraceNote Yes, correctly. But I'm mainly interested in network-wide community attention for feature requests and bugs.

@GraceNote If I report a bug against the description of 20k+ privileges... (please finish the sentence :-) )

7:39 PM

For support it doesn't really matter as those questions are intended to help the user and not about improving the system.

@TomWijsman And you're railing against support/bug/feature-requests that don't necessarily need network-wide community attention in the process.

Bug reports are another common thing that really don't need to be reported straight to Meta Stack Overflow.

@GraceNote I don't rail against support.

@GraceNote That bug report is about improving the 20k+ privileges page.

You can't simply assume that users will agree with improving that, that you don't need them to discuss what exactly will be written there, and so on...

Then you should be clear on that when you bring this up. Then people won't assume a miscorrelation.

@GraceNote But yes, It's about bug reports and feature requests that might need network-wide community attention in the process.

5 hours ago, by Tom Wijsman

They either don't receive much attention or they enter the system through a loophole because the users needed to vote on the idea is minimal.

Railing against our policy, which primarily is exactly for these support/bug/discussion/features that apply to all sites but don't need network-wide discussion, that's construing the miscorrelation.

7:44 PM

@GraceNote Do you mean "constructing"?

No, I mean construing. Probably incorrectly anyway but it was intentional.

Ah, learned a new word there. Thanks.

@TomWijsman There is nothing network wide about MSO. It'd be named MSE with lots of 301's for the transition. Nobody even gets an account by default.

@TomWijsman I... uh, yes, I can confirm my last sentence.

@DanielBeck Naming-wise, it's not the most intuitive thanks to the presence of the new per-site-metas, but functionality wise, it operates on issues about the network itself.

Stems from when it was indeed the network-wide Meta by being the only Meta site we had, applying to all of the Trilogy (including, by extension, itself).

@GraceNote So where's SO's Meta all those topics only SO users care about can be sent to?

7:49 PM

@GraceNote I brought that up when mocking about it as in my last quote of the message 5 hours ago. I might not have brought it up on the meta question about the close reason description change. But it should be clear from my last comment on that meta question...

I think the main reason for the per-site metas is to off-load per-site questions from the main meta, as they introduce a lot of noise.

@DanielBeck Stack Overflow doesn't have a per-site-meta, and instead leverages Meta Stack Overflow to also include Stack Overflow-specific content.

@TomWijsman It's also so that people who only use one non-SO site can just report issues within that site and not having to visit what amounts to an external site.

Can somebody please link to the relevant topic(s) on the role of MSO and why there is no real Meta.SO? The current situation is so fucked up there must be something. I'd like to understand the reasons here.

But I'm seeing feature requests and bugs that affect network-wide changes being posted on individual metas, which is what this is about...

Not meaning to be rude and interject, but surely (just like government, jobs and everything else) a feature/bug/problem should be raised locally, on your "home" meta, and then moved into a larger forum if it needs it or gains popularity outside of the local sphere?

@GraceNote But migration just solves that or could solve that with some slight changes, just keep the original entry and URL but forward them to Meta.SO.

7:52 PM

@DanielBeck It's essentially explained here. It's more of a legacy thing. But because of the heavy amount of linkage to meta.stackoverflow.com, it's really not something we can just shift over safely.

@TomWijsman Except for the part where the original user now has to still visit another site. And it's also unnecessary for a large number of reports.

Consider many bug reports - if there's something that's just a quick-shot fix, the only people who need to see it are those of us who can fix it. "Elevating" it to Meta Stack Overflow doesn't actually ameliorate the situation in any fashion.

@Mokubai This is exactly how the current policy operates.

@GraceNote I can't really believe there isn't more opposition to this. While the result of historical development, it was possible to separate MSU from MSO and move relevant topics over. While a bigger effort, it could form the basis for a real network Meta without the baggage.

@GraceNote Is it OK to post a duplicate on Meta.SO of something that's on Meta.SU?

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Q: Can the privileges page for trusted users list answer deletion guidelines?

/privileges/trusted-user does not explain when it is best to apply the delete answers privilege. Where can I find guidelines about deleting answers? Can these be added to the privilege page?

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@TomWijsman We usually do more of a reference link when we elevate. It all depends on the case.

@TomWijsman No.

@TomWijsman But at the same time, I could've answered the version of this on Super User Meta with our standard "Propose an edit to the privileges page on Meta Stack Overflow, that's how we fix the descriptions. It'll get reviewed network-wide by there, and eventually pushed to all sites". Eliminating the need to move the question while not leaving a loophole about the actual part that needs review.

7:58 PM

Oh, we can propose edits to privileges pages on M.SO. MFW o_O

@TomWijsman It's how its done and how we explain it whenever anyone asks this kind of question on any of the Meta sites. ♪

Well, this bug question from DB is starting to get a pretty bad example.

I think the previous occurrence of this is a better example but I can't find it since my comments have been removed.

@GraceNote Where is this? directly on the /privileges page?

@DanielBeck Yes.

@GraceNote Well, I can't. 25k rep on SU and 300 on MSO. What an amazing concept.

8:00 PM

http://meta.stackoverflow.com/privileges/edit-wiki/18

@DanielBeck You can't suggest an edit?

@GraceNote I don't see where.

@DanielBeck: My link should work...

@TomWijsman Tom's link is 404

Oh, that's strange.

8:01 PM

Tom's link shouldn't work, no, not for a suggested edit I wouldn't think

Give me a moment. ♪

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...huh. Let me check internally. I would consider that a bug

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I rest my case (against use of MSO).

@GraceNote Huh, I don't see any privilege between Daniel and my reputation which would give me additional privilege over him...

@TomWijsman Probably hard coded 500 or 1000 rep requirement.

Another reason to make MSO use network rep instead of its own rep.

8:05 PM

@DanielBeck Meta Stack Overflow is the only reason I have anything resembling a usable network reputation...

@DanielBeck That sounds like a suggestion we haven't had.

The problem is that as an active participator on child sites and even child metas I come to MSO as a complete beginner, not even able to see how the community reacts to my posts (or having to calculate it from the rep changes). I now seem to need some MSO rep to be able to properly participate in discussing and resolving issues I face on SU.

If MSO is really the network Meta, it should use network rep. To offer an incentive to frequent MSO users and for good ideas, we can keep the MSO specific rep, but make the effective rep the sum of that plus the network reputation. That way, both participation on child sites and MSO itself is equal.

@DanielBeck: Do you know whether my previous occurrence of wanting a question on M.SO was also on one of your meta questions?

Because I'm looking what the kind of that question was, but since my comments were deleted on that question were deleted I can't find it back.

@TomWijsman I'm not sure, but I think so. Was it maybe the report about tab key behavior when editing?

@TomWijsman Not sure that narrows it down much, as I posted quite a bit in the past few days.

Nope, @DanielBeck, found it:

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Q: Make reviewers explain why they accept a suggested edit

A few times already I've seen users in chat complain about the willingness of reviewers to approve very minor edits whose usefulness is questionable. Sometimes the edits were even counterproductive, leading to questions that were actually off topic. Looking at the current UI for reviewing sugg...

discussion feature-request review suggested-edits

BRB. Unboxing my new TFT. 27" :-)

8:17 PM

@GraceNote: The question I just linked is the first time I was asking for migration to Meta.SO.

And this is an actual feature-request about the SE system that could really benefit from network-wide attention.

No Mini Displayport cable. I'll start killing Dell employees tomorrow.

Hide your cables, hide your employees...

Meh, that doesn't sound funny in any way.

Aaand no adapter to be found anywhere.

Today is a boring day, I can't wait till it's Friday!

@TomWijsman Gotta go out on Friday? Looking forward to the weekend?

Similarly I'm looking forward to Friday, as it means a week off

8:23 PM

@Mokubai Gotta go to the last school day of this semester! Getting ready for the exams, exams...

Studying, studying, yeah! cough, cough

[/singing] No, but it's two to three weeks after Friday till my next deadlines and exams; so, lower pressure than last days/weeks. Which have been a lot of deadlines... :(

Hehe, that was an awful song

Yeah, that's because it's Tuesday today. A boring day...

At least this Tuesday is.

Anyhow, going to finish a project I have to finish for tomorrow evening. But I should finish it now as I have two other things to do for Friday and Saturday.

Tomorrow I have to go and show how far we got with a project, Thursday evening I'm planning to go to a charity music event where our university will donate the money we raised...

Fair enough

Have fun

@slhck Do you know whether Macs with Mini Displayport come with a cable for that?

On Thursday the trains and bus don't drive because of a national strike.

Same happens next week Friday. Although it's no school then...

8:28 PM

Your lot doing it too? We've got a lot of that sort of thing at the moment

@DanielBeck No, they never come with any cable IIRC

And I luckily don't have to get anywhere urgently this Thursday. Except for that charity thing in the evening...

@slhck So that means I don't even own one. Damn.

@DanielBeck Most probably you don't :/

@GraceNote: Can you look at that last question I linked, whether it fits M.SO more? Because I really think it does. Also, feel free to delete this meta question as I was trying to see the different effect it would give contrary to a per-site meta.

Also, look whether the bug Daniel Beck was experiencing (unless it has been solved, wasn't paying attention in the chat here while you two were talking about that) with the privileges editing can be solved / has been solved.

8:32 PM

@slhck Any suggestions? I.e. do you know whether there good adapters/cables/..?

@DanielBeck So you have a MiniDP monitor and … which Mac? MiniDP as well?

@slhck MiniDP Mac and DP monitor.

@DanielBeck: In any case, if you still experience the bug you can always ask me to suggest the change or anyone else. I'll look out twice what the question is really about and if it really needs network-wide attention before asking migration for your questions again. Next time, I won't discuss it in comments or on a chat again but rather open a M.SO question...

And now I'm idlin'.

@DanielBeck I'm using really cheap Firewire400/800 converters, so I don't think there's anything wrong with buying the cheapest you can find on Amazon for that. Same goes for cables. At some point I only bought the Amazon ones and they're working fine.

@slhck Just browsing Amazon: Some seem to fall apart after two days, don't fit well and fall out whenever moving the computer a bit, some don't handle audio, ...

I'm really tempted to just go to my local MediaMarkt tomorrow and get a 30€ cable. At least I can use it to strangle the sales person if it's crap ;-)

8:36 PM

@DanielBeck Haha, well, all I can say is that they worked for me :P

But yeah, you have guarantee on them …

Anyway, afk

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9:11 PM

Stack Overflow Blog: Gaming Holiday Promotion: Hat Dash!

Posted by David Fullerton on December 20th, 2011

To celebrate the holidays, Gaming Stack Exchange is throwing a little holiday party — specifically, a Hat Dash:

Between December 16 and January 6, users can unlock hats for their gravatars on gaming.stackexchange.com by asking and answering questions, voting, sharing links, etc. For more info, read the full blog post:

There’s also a related contest around the release of Star Wars: The Old Republic with some cool hats and prizes.

Why Hats?

Well, once you see it in action you realize that those gravatars are basically begging for cute little hats. But video games have a long history of …

9:26 PM

Hey guys! I'm working with Exchange 2007 and Outlook 2003. I have a departed user that is still showing in the lawyer's delegates but I can't delete that departed user. Is there a workaround better than Outlook.exe /clearules?

10:07 PM

gaming always gets tons of promotions...

@studiohack That's because we're the workers while they're the shirkers...

@Mokubai hahahah, yes, that's so true

Workers get on with it and expect little reward (even though we like rewards)

I only got me a t-shirt because of the blog

@Mokubai yeah, for 3 good blog posts, that is :-)

trying to finish my USB stick, to install Windows 8 Dev Preview on my first custom build! :D

I really want to get on and write for the blog again, need to find the time though

@studiohack Ooooh

10:16 PM

@Mokubai yeah, for only $250, this PC was a steal (I got parts from jeff)

only had to buy a HDD, Case, graphics card, and cables for it

not bad, what's the CPU, it was a low-power HTPC type sytem wasn't it?

@Mokubai Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 something like 2.17 Ghz

so definitely a passable system

I remember one of my first builds, got a dodgy stick of memory.

Pissed me off for a week trying to find out what was wrong

@Mokubai yeah, it is! it has 4GB RAM (DDR2) and a huge heatsink...

so... I'm trying to install Windows 8 Dev, and I boot from USB, and it shows the Windows Developer Preview screen with the little balls going up and falling... and then the screen goes black, but the monitor stays on and does not go into power saving mode... the keyboard works (caps light can go on and off), so what's going on?

huh. the screen is now sky blue. must be really slow...

it is slow...but it works...

10:38 PM

Not really sure about Win8.. Tom has played with it though....

Anyway, catch you later, is late.

laters @Mokubai, have a good one!

11:01 PM

The dev preview is pretty basic right now

I'd use Windows 7 for now, and wait 'til the first beta comes out in February

@nhinkle I could, but I don't have anything that won't expire, other than Server R2 or Linux

but it keeps hanging, and I'm not sure why

@studiohack install Windows 7 - it'll last you 120 days with the rearm trick

do I load ram by order of DIMM? like DIMM 1, then DIMM 2

@nhinkle that's true

wdym by load ram?

when you put ram sticks into the mobo @nhinkle

11:04 PM

oh. you have 4 slots?

yeah

usually 2 will be a different color from the other 2. you want matching DIMMs in slots of the same color

@nhinkle yeah, I have four 1 GB sticks

then you should be able to just stick 'em all in

that's what I did... but its slow hanging, and idk why... everything looks seated well

11:07 PM

you can do a memtest if you want

but it might just be that windows 8 isn't well tuned for your setup yet

could be, but I wonder why @nhinkle. ah well.

I'll give it a few more shots... it loads until the point of Setup is starting and then hangs (takes forever to get there)

For win7 or win8?

@nhinkle for win8.

11:28 PM

@DanielBeck: See this comment by Tim Post: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/116615/145350

Not to revive any discussion or point anything out, but I think it is interesting with regards to your meta question. None the less, it wouldn't hurt if we propose a suggested edit with either links to a relevant meta topic OR provide a fairly good explanation about it ourselves...

11:52 PM

@studiohack Oh is your PC coming together?

Windows 7 loads faster on dvd... wonder why

@SimonSheehan yeah, finally! :)

@studiohack Wooohooo!

except installing Windows 8 is incredibly slow, as well as Windows 7. :(

@studiohack Well thats typical windows :P I remember taking 2 hours per XP install

Also, OS X users, help a brother out!

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Q: What is Wired RAM on OS X?

On the iMac I use, on the activity monitor, there are 4 different usages of the RAM: Free - Fairly self explanatory. Wired - What is this? Active - clearly just RAM currently being used Inactive - I figure this is just RAM reserved by the system. So what is this Wired RAM? What is it's purpos...

@SimonSheehan no, it is super slow to even get to the first prompt

11:55 PM

@studiohack Oh, yikes :/

@studiohack have you tried a live CD?

it boots Ubuntu Live CD excellent

That might provide you more insight as to whether its hardware or just windows

Oh lovely, then its Windows :p

well the HDD is clean? brand spanking new, the BIOS recognizes it.

processor is fairly recent, (Intel Core 2 Duo), I know that runs Win7 well

@studiohack It could just be the installer though

it loads fast, until it gets to where it has a background and such, not sure what I'm gonna do...

the BIOS recognizes all the ram, the dvd drive, as well as the USB stick...

11:58 PM

@studiohack Well its still a clean HD - install, see what happens. If windows is stuttering after being installed, could be an HDD problem

I'm worried that if the install is slow, then the OS will be slow as well

Journeyman Geek

I had windows 8 running on a similar, slower box, didn't have any issues installing or running it

@studiohack Doesn't hurt to try though.

@SimonSheehan true, will do

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