The Bikeshed

Zizouz212

2:30 AM

It's so eerie and quiet...

cricket... cricket

The Funny Pictures

6:57 AM

Okay, I'm just gonna order pizza, and let's never talk about this again.

Pandya

11:58 AM

Confused by license compatibility? A new article by Richard Stallman may help: License Compatibility and Relicensing

kdopen

5:05 PM

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Q: Free Download Manager Development [FDM]

Is the development of Free Download Manager halted? The last code committed was in 2014 :/ Here is a link to the repository.

software-development

@Zizouz212 You wanted to chat?

Personally I think this should be on-topic for the site, but per the meta discussion we currently consider it off-topic - hence my close vote. I see it's now up to 3 votes-to-close

And I don't see where else the OP can ask on the SE network

ratchet freak

@kdopen in chat

Zizouz212

9:28 PM

@kdopen Yeah, sorry I took awhile - I got that ping when I was writing a math test :/

kdopen

@ziz

So do you think we should reconsider this type of question as on-topic?

Zizouz212

I really think we should.

I mean, it doesn't hurt to allow these types of questions, and a lot of stuff with open source is about a collaborative environment, and sharing code

kdopen

The only concer is a flood of 'whatever happened to ...?' type questions

s/concer/concern/

Zizouz212

I suppose

Well, there's still the regular moderation aspect: down votes, close votes could also solve that. But the biggest concern seems to be if these questions would become prevalent.

What was our reason for originally making these questions off-topic?

kdopen

I was just looking

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Q: Are questions about specific software on-topic?

Let us say I have a question about an open source project that looks something like: Hi! I am a newbie user of XYZ. So, while I was referring to XYZ's API doc, I couldn't understand what function ABC() does. Well, obviously doubts like these get asked on SO all the time and are on-topic (s...

discussion scope

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Q: Are questions about specific open source projects on-topic?

Are questions about specific open source projects on-topic? I mean questions like: Why is project X the way it is and not other? Where can I get support for project Y? Why did project A split into B and C? I know these would be better answered by particular projects but (1) there may be users...

discussion scope

Zizouz212

9:39 PM

The question you linked to in your close comment - the leading answers says it should be on-topic

That first question is about the code (which can go to SO), and not about the status of a project.

@Zizouz212 That was the second question.

kdopen

But again this is a very specific case of 'http://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/643/what-happens-when-a-corporate‌-sponsor-goes-bust?s=31|0.0525' - in this case an open source project

Zizouz212

Hmmm...

kdopen

I know we have other questions about defunct projects. The question is basically asking 'Is this project still alive?' which I suppose isn't really on topic

I answered it anyway as it was easy to do (and got me 'protect questions' privilege :))

Zizouz212

I understand that we don't want to be game for "project support" style questions, but I also don't want to see us being all 'licensing' questions either.

And I've been seeing the latter a bit too much...

kdopen

that was true in the early days too ...there are explicit meta questions about that

I remember arguing at one point that there could be a role for us as the place for FOSS projects to offer support. It would almost certainly drive up the stats

(google hits etc)

Zizouz212

9:45 PM

Yes, and that's where a good bulk of questions around Open Source are

It's tricky though - you don't want to be sort of the "official" forum for random open source projects if you get what I mean

Again, issues and feature requests should stay at the repos, and whatever is left could easily just be discussion.

Of course, this is just all assumptions

kdopen

Yep - as I say, I argues it before and got a pretty definitive consenus from the community (as was)

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Q: What should our site goals be?

After some small amount of discussion on this meta post and here in chat, I have a question for the community here. What are our goals? As a Stack Exchange site, we're here to answer on-topic questions about free/open projects to the highest quality possible. But is that all we are? kdopen su...

discussion status-completed

Zizouz212

Let me go through that :)

kdopen

yep - I posted two answers from different viewpoints - one got +1 the other -3

Zizouz212

Hmm... @Martijn's answer suggests to be goal free - and to focus more on quality, rather than nitpicking at the scope (as I see it). Basically, make a useful site for the entire open source audience.

kdopen

which nicely avoids a definition of what is 'useful' for the entire audience (and who is in that audience)

Zizouz212

9:53 PM

@RubberDuck believes our primary purpose should be to connect though involved with floss, and list seven topics that go from licensing, to development problems, to hardware, to "indoor farming" (I'm scared to click that link) - but also goes up in arms saying not to care about other sites' scopes.

kdopen

Note his comment that " Let's define our scope with the purpose of being the place to get an answer about any and all things free and open."

I actually upvoted his answer back then :)

Zizouz212

I agree with that :)

kdopen

Which would make the FDM question on-topic

(need to go to a meeting for an hour or so)

Hopefully we can relaunch this discussion on meta

Zizouz212

The reason why licensing questions are so prevalent are because it was "hot" in private beta, easy to make a hypothetical for, and one where because it was called an 'open-source' licence made the scope indisputable there

@kdopen Sure! I'll see if I can start one. Have fun at your meeting :P

Hey it's @quartata :)

quartata

Hello.

Just checking in to make sure you guys haven't died yet.

Zizouz212

10:00 PM

lol, we're not dying :D

I wouldn't let that happen!

quartata

in The Nineteenth Byte, 2 hours ago, by Alex A.

It was yolk

Anyways.

How come you don't have a "posts on main" feed?

Zizouz212

What do you mean?

We do.... I think

Let me check...

Oh crap, we don't.

Let me figure out how to do this

Feeds

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212

Did it work?

quartata

I don't know.

We'll have to wait until someone posts a question.

Actually wait

Zizouz212

10:07 PM

I just put http://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions where it said feed or something like that

quartata

http://opensource.stackexchange.com/feeds

This is the link you want

I'm pretty sure it has to be an RSS feed

Zizouz212

Let's do that :)

You're probably smarter than I am :)

quartata

no I just checked the Nineteenth Byte's feeds to see how Doorknob/<insert mod name> did it

Zizouz212

Still probably better :)

How do I do this again...

Feeds

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212 has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212 has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212 has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212 has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Zizouz212

10:10 PM

How do I undo?

I'm breaking everything!

Feeds

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

uh

There

sorry

I think

10:10 PM

Oh, you want it as a ticker?

Zizouz212

I don't know.

What's the difference?

quartata

Also I think you lost the Open Source Initiative one

Zizouz212

Maybe not.

Feeds

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Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

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quartata

@Zizouz212 the ticker is like a little notification on the side. normal way is a message posted in chat

Feeds

10:11 PM

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212

There!

I think!

I'm so bad at stuff.... -_-

No.

I deleted one of the important feeds!

Damn it.

Oh no.

@quartata Help me!

How do I undo?

quartata

I don't think you can.

You'll have to put OSI back up I suppose

Zizouz212

And how do I do that?

I'll ask all you smart people at PPCG

Oh my god!

quartata

got it

opensource.org/node/feed

Put that up

Zizouz212

@quartata That?

quartata

10:17 PM

@Zizouz212 ye

Zizouz212

Here goes nothing :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3/5 questions are downvoted questions. Not reassuring.

Feeds

Zizouz212 has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Zizouz212

I think I did it :)

PhiNotPi

Are you in need of some fancy low-poly feed avatars?

Zizouz212

10:19 PM

I was trying to add something, but screwed something else up.

This is why I shouldn't be in charge of things...

quartata

@Zizouz212 You should move all the feed trash to the Trashcan

Zizouz212

There's a trashcan?

Where?

quartata

Well, there's the private trashcan

Zizouz212

What buttons do I click?

quartata

And then there's also the public trash

Zizouz212

10:20 PM

@ArtOfCode Help me!

quartata

move messages button

Zizouz212

Where's that?

quartata

room -> move messages

Zizouz212

It's only letting me select one message at a time...

@ArtOfCode I demand you to come and fix this mess!

quartata

use ctrl-click

Zizouz212

10:22 PM

ctrl-click?

I can try...

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Would if I was on a computer. See the room menu under the avatars on the right?

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Thank god you're here.

ArtOfCode

Shift click the first and the last message.

Zizouz212

I clearly let myself be in charge here.

ArtOfCode

Move them to trashcan.

Zizouz212

10:24 PM

It's not doing anything...

quartata

you have to select the room after

PhiNotPi

But seriously, if you want some 16x16 feed avatars, I can hook you up. I drew avatars for all of the 19th Byte feeds. :)

Zizouz212

Wait what?

@ArtOfCode You have to do this!

ArtOfCode

Shift click first and last. Click move in the menu. Type trashcan. Click select, or move, whatever it's called.

quartata

@ArtOfCode wait mods automagically get access to the trashcan

I've been trying to get access to the trashcan for over 3 months

Zizouz212

10:26 PM

Wait, I think I'm up to something

It's called Trash?

ArtOfCode

@quartata No can do. I'd say sure, but it contains deleted stuff from TL.

@Zizouz212 Trashcan. It's private.

quartata

@ArtOfCode It does?

ArtOfCode

@quartata Yep.

Zizouz212

→ 1 message moved to Trash

Ooh! I did it!

Oh no.

I didn't.

ArtOfCode

Congratulations, next time use trashcan

quartata

10:28 PM

Dorknoob said that regular room owners have gotten access to the trashcan in the past

I guess he clearly was drunk on Nethack eh

Zizouz212

Wait, what's the difference between Trash and Trashcan?

quartata

@Zizouz212 One is private.

ArtOfCode

It is only since recently. I should go review the access controls.

quartata

Mods and super-elite people use the Trashcan. Sad, lonely plebians use the Trash.

@ArtOfCode Huh.

Zizouz212

I'm really confused.

I should not do this... I'll end up deleting the entire room

Oh crap.

I put the wrong feed.

I got this, don't worry :)

ArtOfCode

10:33 PM

I'll fix it all up tomorrow.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Speaking of which, the conversation above this mess is one you should read

ArtOfCode

@quartata Access list reviewed. Sorry :) you're one of about 20 people I just denied access.

@Zizouz212 Also tomorrow.

quartata

@ArtOfCode </3

;;;;;_;;;;;;;

Zizouz212

Sure, as long as you read it. It's about the FDM question and general scope with projects

Wlah

Ummm... What just happened?

quartata

Er you just added this room's stars to the feed list

Zizouz212

10:37 PM

I did?

I seriously need help.

I can't be left in charge anymore.

Mods have too many privileges.

Feeds 1840

Open Source Initiative: Support the OSI´s Work on Behalf of the Open Source Community

posted on February 04, 2016 by masson

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Zizouz212

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