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12:00 AM

Override is like the opposite of virtual from C++. it means that you should use this function instead of the parent version.

Polyducks

I know it vaguely, yes

Smurfton

It's not one of those "Make this one more important" keywords, afaik

Polyducks

I mean, I learned it for a bit in my spare time, but never used it

What happens if someone else uses @Override for the same function?

Smurfton

Is this a child of Activity, or a child of the class with the @Override function in it?

Same result either way, the function in the child class runs when you are in the child class. The function in the parent class runs when using the parent.

If you don't have @Override, then the function in the Parent class is the only thing that gets run.

tutorialspoint.com/java/java_overriding.htm

Hi @Miniman

@Polyducks That makes sense, right?

Polyducks

I think so

I guess I have to realise that with Android you're really only running one program at once

Smurfton

12:07 AM

Kinda?

Polyducks

In Javascript you are literally trying to compete with maybe up to 20 other scripts on a busy page

Smurfton

Android is trying to be as low system requirements as possible

Polyducks

Ah yes, this looks familiar. I'm with you now.

Smurfton

If you have the room for it, you will keep running ALL of the activities at the same time

Problem is, phones kinda aren't known for their expansive amounts of RAM.

So yes, aside from your activity and the OS cleaning up and saving states, nothing is happening*

*you can make things which continue after they go out of focus, like music and podcasts and such, too tho

That sounds frustrating with the JavaScript

Polyducks

dude, Javascript, not JavaScript

Smurfton

12:18 AM

wut rly?

Polyducks

otherwise it makes it sound like it's related to Java, which is confusing

yeah

It's a different language to Java

Smurfton

I know

Polyducks

Sorry, personal bugbear haha

Smurfton

Still thought there was a capital S in there

Polyducks

So yeah, clashing with other people is always a pain

Smurfton

12:20 AM

Sun Microsystems or no

Polyducks

no

Smurfton

I know that

W3C obviously

Polyducks

No, I meant Not Origami

Just in case you thought Javascript was paper folding.

Smurfton

JS basically has the worst name anyway. why have a bugbear over it?

I KNEW IT

JavaScript

JavaScript (/ˈdʒɑːvəˌskrɪpt/) is a high-level, dynamic, untyped, and interpreted programming language. It has been standardized in the ECMAScript language specification. Alongside HTML and CSS, it is one of the three essential technologies of World Wide Web content production; the majority of websites employ it and it is supported by all modern web browsers without plug-ins. JavaScript is prototype-based with first-class functions, making it a multi-paradigm language, supporting object-oriented, imperative, and functional programming styles. It has an API for working with text, arrays, dates and...

You see that 'S' there?

because I sure do

How do you get past clashing with everyone?

Polyducks

Noooo

Such a jerk ;_;

My life is ruined! My whole career!

I can't see it as two capital letters. Surely it must be one, contrary to everyone!

The best way to stop clashing with everyone is to use a namespace

so your write all your functions etc inside an object with an obscure name

Smurfton

12:28 AM

@Polyducks Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

Polyducks

which is fun because then when you write scripts you can give them new names

Like I had one to make a concertina menu... called Concert_Tina

It can't be! It's impawwsible!

Smurfton

<3

Is this to prevent them from redefining your stuff?

Polyducks

<3 haha yes

and to avoid using global variables

but inevitably that can become a problem, because the items that are made within the namespace are lost when the namespace ends

so bug testing can be a bit of a bitch

Smurfton

Sounds like it

Polyducks

It's a problem called 'scope'

for example, if you define the variable 'myFavouriteNumber' inside the function Harry(), when Harry() runs, myFavouriteNumber will be set, but Lucy() tries to call it and it's not been set

because Lucy() is outside of Harry(), and thereby out of scope

Smurfton

12:33 AM

I know that problem. Don't be all high and mighty on your throne with te words "Sun Microsystems & Oracle" scratched off

Polyducks

haha

It gets much more involved than that all over the place

I'd better sleep man. Didn't realise it's half an hour into Monday

Smurfton

Then why don't they inherit from each other?

Well, if you HAVE to.

Polyducks

Well, they can

but they can also set a variable that they share scope with

Smurfton

I see.

Polyducks

or Harry() can return a value to Lucy()

Point being, that if Harry() has a value for x and Lucy() has a value for x, by setting scope neither of them can interfere with each other

But sometimes in JS you're battling for the same resources

like the click event on a button

Smurfton

12:38 AM

Anyway, would totally recommend messing around with Android programming in your free time. It's fun.

That's actually a thing in Android programming, except that the OS always loses, unless you let it win. Default is usually "don't do anything" anyway, so it usually doesn't matter.

But you can totally decide that the volume button isn't a volume button today I'd you feel like it.

Hi trogdor

Polyducks

That would be amazing

to just reconfigure stuff

Smurfton

@Polyducks Other cool thing is that you program as if you are redrawing the screen from scratch, and mark rectangles of screen as dirty when they should change. Then Android collects those together, and optimizes to only redraw that.

Smurfton

1:02 AM

@Polyducks (seen 25s ago) Weren't you sleeping?

Polyducks

You know when you get stuck watching stupid videos and you can't escape?

Smurfton

Yes

Polyducks

and you see someone has pinged you so you check and then you're like

right well, I'd better go to bed

it's either bed or reply

and then you just have to check the tab you were last in

Smurfton

I do know that thing

Polyducks

and then you get pinged and you come back

I'm yo-yoing

so I'll just link you this and go

video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2015/12/31/6019467531120693132/…

Smurfton

1:04 AM

Hi @Miniman again

Amazing

Miniman

@Smurfton Hi - at work. I don't really understand how chat presence works, but I'm guessing it's telling you I'm in the room every time I use my phone to check something on the net.

Smurfton

I think it's whenever you look at A chat

Sorry about that

Miniman

1:20 AM

All good, I didn't even know it was happening till I saw the ping appear on the main site.

Smurfton

Oh, okay.

Pixie

2:40 AM

@Smurfton Whoops, sorry, didn't see your message. I poke my head in and out a lot.

And yes, that is how chat presence works for me, at least if I've left a chat open in the web browser and then open it. As soon as the browser loads, I'm in the chat, and I show up there for a while even if I've gone to a different site.

Adeptus

4:03 AM

@Forrestfire Also, vials weigh 1/10 lb and hold 1 oz of liquid. A vial of potion weighs nothing. So, potions weigh -1/10 lb per fl oz. (I don't think the volume of a flask is defined anywhere, so calculating its exact lift is difficult)

Shalvenay

@Adeptus WUT?

Adeptus

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Q: How much do scrolls and potions weigh?

The physical description for potions: Physical Description: A typical potion or oil consists of 1 ounce of liquid held in a ceramic or glass vial fitted with a tight stopper. The stoppered container is usually no more than 1 inch wide and 2 inches high. The vial has AC 13, 1 hit point, hardne...

pathfinder

Derpy

10:54 AM

"evil" message of the day.

@Pixie @trogdor - I no longer need you for my plush collection.

trogdor

11:41 AM

that is a relief I guess

though I hesitate to ask the reason

Derpy

12:14 PM

trogdor

12:25 PM

hee

I might need one of those some day

not right now though

Derpy

3:31 PM

@Smurfton SharePoint is a content management system developed from Microsoft

it is undocumented, very resource heavy, and mostly used by companies to do things it wasn't meant for.

as a result....

pain endures.

also, its development was based on the rotten remains of previous products like Frontpage, that had made their time.

it is an onion of layers and new features, badly stacked one over another on an house that was already falling appart.

not even the developers that made it seem to have a clear idea of what they are aiming at.

to give you a vague idea of the horrors consider this one:

there is an xml like language used to "describe" extensions to the system. The language has a grammar.

Sometime you must use values like true and false for some attribute.

Based on the attribute.....

Smurfton

@Derpy what is this bs. I thought Microsoft knew better.

That's in reply to the documentation specifically

Derpy

Sometime you have to write TRUE/FALSE with a specific casing or the system will throw an error, sometime it will just ignore the setting and go with a default.

Smurfton

TrUe/FaLsE?

Derpy

@Smurfton Based on the specific property, you have some that accept True and TRUE but not true, some that accept only True, some that are false unless you write exactly true or some that are true unless you write FALSE, false but not False.

seem confusing? welcome to my world.

Smurfton

Why do you do this to yourself

Derpy

3:40 PM

@Smurfton I am a developer. I work mostly with web based development, and SharePoint is the largest market for that. The fact that the companies making solutions push on SharePoint to sell licenses and the ones that bought it now have managers striving to justify the investment to their bosses does not help

basically, in a sense, SharePoint creates it own market.

Want another example?

SharePoint actually defines an error class called (Please) "IgnoreMeException"

There is just a small problem: a thrown exception will break any program unless you specifically catch it... So there is no "ignore". Best thing you can do is catch it and then do nothing in response.

Smurfton

Specifically catch it? You can't have a generic catch?

Derpy

@Smurfton oh, yes, but you still have to catch it.

Smurfton

The more I hear about web dev, the less I want to learn web dev

Derpy

@Smurfton It is not like SharePoint should be seen as a standard...

Smurfton

Buuut you just said that SP is the largest market for Web dev

Derpy

3:56 PM

@Smurfton Yes, in a way it is. What I meant is that is not what one should strive for. It is something you probably will have to do if you are in a company that sells on-demand development services / bodyrental

if you are in a big company that sells products... you probably can avoid it.

Or at least you can concentrate on something actually fitting SharePoint instead of begin stuck handling clients requests that would be probably be better left alone.

BESW

11:56 PM

[sigh] This whole RAW thing is circling the drain around a series of interlocking catch-22s that neutralise any argument for or against. Even setting aside the fraught emotional currents of the topic, "The tag is being misused" is countered with "The tag is simply misunderstood" which is parried with "The tag is too confusing" which gets skewered on "The tag is being misused" and it goes around and around like a pair of antler-locked elk starving to death.

Shalvenay

@BESW I just hope that my proposal for a legal hold on comments will give us enough data to break this stalemate.

BESW

I doubt it.

A) It'd take weeks or months to collect enough data for all parties to accept it as representative, and B) everyone involved will know there's scrutiny and behaviours will change.

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