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11:00 PM

@AshleyNunn i'm reminded of the simpsons episode where someone claimed to be a vegan so intense that they never ate anything that cast a shadow

@AshleyNunn how do you live that way? like have they ever eaten meat? it is way too delicious to give up

we are omnivores for a reason. so we can eat meats and non-meats

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I mean I can see not eating meat working as a possible diet choice, but this fruitarian thing seems super limited

@AshleyNunn maybe its like the people who apply arbitrary restrictions to themselves when playing games, just to see if they can do it

like the fallout 4 pacifist

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Reading the wikipedia article just makes my head hurt more

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Fruitarianism (/fruːˈtɛəriənɪzəm/) is a diet that consists entirely or primarily of fruits in the botanical sense, and possibly nuts and seeds, without animal products. Fruitarianism is a subset of dietary veganism. Fruitarianism may be adopted for different reasons, including ethical, religious, political, medical, environmental, cultural, aesthetic, economic, and health reasons. There are many varieties of the diet. Some people whose diet consists of 75% or more fruit consider themselves fruitarians. == Definitions == Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a...

11:03 PM

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@Dragonrage The part that they don't tell you is that you only need so much beef to get 100 calories. With broccoli, you need to eat a truckload to get the same calories, so naturally it will have more protein.

@TimS. i know, ive read the article.

@AshleyNunn Does that mean that they don't eat vegetables? Because eating the potato kills the potato or something?

@TimS. or the part where you literally do not have enough time in a day to chew all of the vegetables that would be required to get a decent amount of calories

@Dragonrage Oh, I haven't... but I've already done that math before for other things :)

@GodEmperorDune Bingo :)

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11:06 PM

@TimS. no idea. Probably though

Wow

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I can solve all of this, we just gotta go the Willy Wonka meal in a gum route.

I know a couple vegans. They get a long pretty well with their diet, they definitely aren't starving, but it's an expensive life

The also use family cloths instead of toilet paper. I'm dying to ask them if their vegan diet makes it less messy in the bathroom that allows that kind of behavior.

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I don't mind vegetarian stuff (I am still iffy on tofu but I am getting there) but I'm sorry but I won't give up sausages and steaks any time soon

there are ~3g of protein per 100 g of broccoli

11:08 PM

@AshleyNunn No kidding. If broccoli or asparagus was as delicious as chicken or beef, I wouldn't have a problem with vegatarianism.

@TimS. oven roast broccoli and it is fantastic

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This reminds me, I have broccoli in my fridge that needs to get eaten.

salt, pepper, a little olive oil

to get 12g of protein from broccoli you have to eat about a pound of broccoli

@GodEmperorDune My wife makes it in the oven with olive oil. It's absolutely delicious. But it's still no replacement for steak.

11:09 PM

@TimS. well yeah

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@GodEmperorDune Cauliflower is also good this way. Especially with cheddar beer sauce.

She makes kale in the same way, and brussel sprouts

you should steam broccoli in lemon juice

The cafeteria at my last job had mashed cauliflower instead of potatoes... it was pretty good

@TimS. yeah roasted kale is great

11:10 PM

@GodEmperorDune Try brussel sprouts. They are delicious.. prepare them the same way

though cut them in half

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@TimS. Or fried with bacon!

@TimS. yeah i had roasted brussel sprouts for lunch today actually

everything's better with bacon!

haha nice

@AshleyNunn green beans and bacon and sliced almonds

I had my all-time favorite lunch today

11:11 PM

@TimS. i had what i normally have. Pinto beans, cheese, and some chicken

Hawaiian Teriyaki Rice Bowl from Pacific Catch. pacificcatch.com/menu

Nice.. if I ate beans and cheese for lunch every day, my wife would kick me out of the house

though it would be delicious

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I had a shawarma.

Anyone here from the SF bay area?

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It was awesome.

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@TimS. I feel like someone(s) is/are

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11:13 PM

but I don't know who

I've never had shawarma.. not even sure what it is tbh

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(I'm definitely not, I'm in Ontario)

Ah cool

i think @murgatroid99 is in the bay area

When you tell people you're from Canada, do you get a lot of people saying "Oh I have a friend who lives there" or something like that?

11:13 PM

not sure who else

@TimS. you're from canada? do you know @Wipqozn?

No, @AshleyNunn is in Canada

I live in the bay area of San Francisco

but hahaha

@AshleyNunn ontario Canada?

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@Dragonrage Yeah.

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@GodEmperorDune We're all gonna say nope ;)

@GodEmperorDune yes, south bay

11:15 PM

I have a friend in Vancouver... Going to visit him for his birthday next weekend actually

@AshleyNunn ah ok. just wondering, cuz there is a city called ontario near where i live.

@murgatroid99 Nice.. where abouts in south bay? I live in San Rafael, work in San Francisco

there are a number of cities in california that have the same name as places in Canada

it makes it hard to tell where people are talking about if they write something like Ontario, CA

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I'm in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Like an hour from Toronto, if that helps any :P

because they could be talking about california or canada

11:16 PM

@Dragonrage you can tell by the eh

lol

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@GodEmperorDune I didn't realize how much I actually say eh until @WorldEngineer noticed it.

@AshleyNunn whatever you say, eh

does anyone know what the primary thing to look for to tell if someone is from california?

@AshleyNunn I always thought it was an exaggeration until I was up there a couple years ago, everyone said it at least once per conversation. Sometimes way more often

11:19 PM

@TimS. well how aboot that?

@Dragonrage Probably their attitude (depending on the area). I'm originally from Ohio, but just moved here like 8 months ago for a job

hahaha, yeah I've beeen there (Can't emphasize the long E sound otherwise)

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@TimS. I don't even notice it, so I always think it's a silly not-true thing until someone else hears me talk

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@spugsley told me once I sound very canadian, not sure how true that is.

@AshleyNunn Yeah, just like nobody thinks they have an accent.. it's always "other people" who have accents.

@Dragonrage i can rattle off a lot of the southern california stuff

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11:20 PM

I think all most anyone's heard of me is the pterodactyl noise, which is not all that indicative of my speech

inability to drive in rain

There's definitely a few things about canadians that I've noticed. Like the "uptalking"... lots and lots of them I've talked to, end sentences with a higher pitch.

@TimS. idk about attitude, but california is the only place i know of that refers to freeways/highways as THE freeway, or THE 10, or THE PCH

@AshleyNunn Lol I want to hear that now

proper pronunciation of english words of spanish origins

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11:21 PM

@TimS. It's in the transcript somewhere

@Dragonrage Well there really is only one major freeway :)

@TimS. no we refer to any highway/freeway as THE x

@AshleyNunn I admit I'm not familiar with the transcript -- do I just use the search box?

@Dragonrage nope, i know people in the san diego area who call it "i-5"

her its "the one-oh-one"

the 101

here*

11:22 PM

@TimS. that's a real specific part of the peninsula though

@AshleyNunn Nevermind, I found the button at the top

most people i know from all over california always preface any freeway or highway name with "the"

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Oct 27 '13 at 3:52, by LessPop_MoreFizz

Pterodactyl Noise.m4a

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@GodEmperorDune Not really, in northbay its all 101

you go a bit more south or east and you start running into lots of freeways

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11:23 PM

there we go, that's right now.

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(also holy crap was that really more than two years ago)

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(I'M OLD AND HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME)

@AshleyNunn Wow, that's great...

hahaha

Yeah, referring to an interstate as anything other than I-whatever is weird to me

I-75, I-71, I-275, etc

@GodEmperorDune Thats beyond my scope of expertise :)

11:24 PM

@TimS. :D

@AshleyNunn Are you the person on that site? Joy?

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@TimS. No, that was a mislink

where i live, i cant drive more than like 5 minutes in one direction without running into a freeway

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That was from when we were talking cauliflower

@AshleyNunn Ah, I was wondering why that was there..

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11:25 PM

the pterodactyl is all me

haha, gotcha

actually there was something posted on the NY times a while back that identified where you were from in the US based on small pronunciation differences

I'll make it my ringtone.. hahaha

@GodEmperorDune I believe it

@TimS. Sunnyvale

My first time to new york city was for solaris training way back... and our instructor was from brooklyn. I thought I was in a movie.

11:26 PM

like not just southern california or greater LA area, but down to my hometown

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@GodEmperorDune My linguistics teacher did that to each of us day one of the class

He was talking like" So I got on da ferry over dere... and I says to dis guy... whatcha doin' over dere?"

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It was alarmingly accurate

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@murgatroid99 Nice.. when I hear Sunnyvale, I think Apple and Facebook.. or are you other? ;)

11:27 PM

@TimS. Google. I commute to Mountain View

@murgatroid99 Oh nice

I had an interview with google about a year ago.. they wanted me to get some more python experience and re-apply

@TimS. very nice

Despite where I am now, I think Google would be my end game

Though my current employer is cool as hell...

that map is actually a pretty accurate depiction of california generalities

i do like that we have a YOLO county

11:30 PM

I've been told that python is a good foot-in-the-door language to know for google... I'm kinda rusty on algorithms though. I'll have to bone up on 'em

@GodEmperorDune I didn't know that.. that's awesome

i like how la's water is on the other side of the state

Yolo County, California

Yolo County, officially the County of Yolo, is a county located in the northern portion of the U.S. state of California. As of the 2010 census, the population was 200,849. Its county seat is Woodland, and its largest city is Davis. Yolo County is included in the Sacramento-Roseville-Arden-Arcade, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area. The county is located in the Sacramento Valley, Much of Yolo County remains a relatively rural agricultural region. This is evidenced by the multibillion-dollar state of California tomato industry that accounts for 90% of the canned and processed tomato production in the...

I love explaining to my family back in Ohio how California can still have a drought when we're surrounded by ocean.

And hint, it's not happened just once. Or twice.

cuz you can't drink the ocean?

i didnt remember that we had an entire island dedicated to tiny foxes though

11:32 PM

yeah that's a pretty big reason :)

@TimS. yeah, the important part is knowing how to apply algorithms and data structures

@GodEmperorDune yea, it has too much water for one person to drink. also its kind of salty

@murgatroid99 yeah. I got to the coding interview part, and the guy asked me to do something that I would normally use a module for, he asked me to do it without any module, and I was at a loss.

@Dragonrage lil bit :)

@TimS. like a python builtin module or something from pypi?

@GodEmperorDune it was a builtin module

Basically he wanted me to copy the contents of a file from one directory to another

without using any system commands

11:36 PM

@TimS. i was doing an interview once, and i asked the person to write a function to produce the result of x^y where x and y were positive integers

intense

I was going to open the file, read the lines and write to another file, and he said not to do it that way

@Dragonrage Did they not get it?

@TimS. no. and we gave them a number of hints

@TimS. OK, that's kind of an odd question. I mostly got self-contained algorithm questions

we like literally told them what needed to be done, and they still couldnt write it.

11:37 PM

I interviewed for a position a long time ago, and was asked to verify that a given date was valid.. I wrote out the algorithm and the person said that it was the first time anyone ever got it completely correct. (they mainly were talking about the leap-year thing, and how it happens every 100 years except during the change of a millenia)

@murgatroid99 I was asked once how I would design a data structure for a linked list.

@TimS. *except every 400 years

I mean its a data node and a pointer node

@murgatroid99 hmm that's not what I've read... but its moot now :)

I was offered the job, but turned it down in favor of another I was offered

I def could be mistaken, its been over 10 years

The year can be evenly divided by 4;
If the year can be evenly divided by 100, it is NOT a leap year, unless;
The year is also evenly divisible by 400. Then it is a leap year.

@TimS. oh, so no fun with DST?

@Dragonrage right, that

11:40 PM

@GodEmperorDune No, it was date only, not times

lucky you :D

@GodEmperorDune I think that making someone break out the time zone database would be a little much for an interview

@Dragonrage I thought it was the same, except replace 400 with 1000.

if it was divisible by 1000, then its a leap year

but again, I very well could be wrong

and its not important enough to me to look up.. haha

either way, the interviewer said I got it correct.. ended up not working there

i.imgur.com/AB03DW0.gifv

the place seemed like the workplace in Joe vs the Volcano

11:42 PM

@murgatroid99 i meant more that assuming that DST breaks into even hours, that sort of thing

@Yuuki that's too hot for work

one of my interview questions was to take an array of 99 distinct numbers between 1-100 and figure out which was number from that range was missing

@Dragonrage Any restrictions?

@TimS. fastest time

honestly my first answer would have been to insert them where index=value, so then its O(n) to find the one with missing value.. but thats probably not an option :)

but if you're given it already mixed up... diff story

if you use math, the equation for sum of numbers in a range 1-100 is n(n+1)/2

so just cycle through list and add all numbers found and subtract from 100(101)/2

11:47 PM

@Dragonrage ah yes, then you can figure out what value you're missing by the sum

O(n)

clever

@TimS. That's also O(n) space

Right

I wouldn't have thought about summing them

yea, it works whether its sorted or not.

11:47 PM

excellent

I was just reading on the math site about n(n+1)/2 a few days ago... can't remember what about though

if it is sorted you could also just check to see if the index + 1 = value at the index. if it doesnt, return index + 1

does knowing these types of algorithms actually determine who will make a good employee though?

also O(n)

yep

@GodEmperorDune Well it demonstrates problem solving ability

@GodEmperorDune i think they mainly ask to see if they can perform under pressure

11:49 PM

instead of "who's seen this math puzzle before"?

(yeah, under pressure)

my current work did not have any technical questions. just asked about work experience etc

I interviewed a guy for a linux sysadmin job before. My question was asking what the purpose of the nsswitch.conf file was

@AshleyNunn Why would you ever deny knowing me? I'm the greatest!

the guy had no idea, but turns out his last job used all local services/auth/etc and he still turned out to be a good SA

11:50 PM

@Wipqozn i think you meant worst

Most of the algorithm questions I got were basically "Here's a data structure, perform this transformation on it". And being able to figure out how to do that efficiently indicates your ability to generally write algorithms to solve problems

@LessPop_MoreFizz I forgot about this.

@murgatroid99 can you give me a simple example?

a lot of actually programming doesnt actually require extensive data structure algorithms

@murgatroid99 map reduce stuff?

@Dragonrage unless you are working on massive google sized data

11:53 PM

one question i had a lot of fun figuring out was how to print out all possible permutations of a string. it was assumed there wouldnt be any repeated characters, and it had to be done recursively

I did have a question for a filesystem/directory structure for storing phone numbers so that not an individual directory had too may subdirectories in it

I came up with a per-digit solution, or a per-two-digit solution... like /5/5/5/1/2/3/4 They liked that one

also offered up /555/12/34/, etc

it actually took quite a bit of work, as you had to figure out the patterns for different lengths, and how they could be broken down based on if they were even or odd

@TimS. Basically, a trie, represented as a directory structure

@murgatroid99 Yep

very deterministic

@Dragonrage Isn't the permutations thing just def perms(s): [s[i] + perms(s[:i] + s[i+1:]) for i in range(len(s))]?

(in Python)

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11:57 PM

That feeling when you had someone screaming their lungs out at you, you manage to give them time to cool off, find a solution, call them back, and they're sweet as pie and super grateful and even compliment you on your handling.

i.e. for each character, append all the permutations of the rest of the string

@AshleyNunn Sounds like someone needs to refill their bipolar meds

@murgatroid99 i was using c++ and we also could not use any built in sort or swaps

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@TimS. I work for an ISP, people take slow speeds/no connection super seriously.

if we wanted a function we had to define it ourself

11:58 PM

@Dragonrage Did you have to give the permutations in a particular order?

@AshleyNunn Ah yeah.. people don't take kindly to slow porn download.. err I mean download speeds.

@murgatroid99 no

@Dragonrage I hate to break it to you, but eating meat is important not because of some nebulous "proteins" but for the for nutrients that are not available outside animal products, like specific fatty acids (omega3, omega6 and carnosine)

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