@Hjorthenify isn't there some other ide to use than eclipse?

@Almo there is no ide that is better than eclipse

that is a missing comma troll, just to be clear

There is no ide, that is better than eclipse.

@Hjorthenify Then if you restart eclipse enough times it will solve almost all of the problems ;)

Writing a bot for our Discord channel is pretty damn fun :D

@Almo There is IntelliJ which is much better, but we are required to use Eclipse for school(don't ask me why) and I would rather learn to deal with it's problems now, than during my exams project.

the nerf guns I got my son for xmas are insane

me too :)

lol yeah

Your GUI work looks amazing :)

ah thanks, well it is open sourced

its on my github page -- although I haven't really worked on it much since I put it up

Is it for unity?

the title change?

should be rejected

We dont' set titles to "Solved" -- we the the question itself as solved.

@Hjorthenify ok that's a good reason to se eclipse

Still sucks though :(

What do you mean by dynamic support?

So serialized?

Gotcha

Hey guys, i am trying to make a minecraft clone but i am stuck at deferred shading. Anybody bored? xD

I'm busy reading volume 1 of a massive history of the Hundred Years' War. :D

Damn :D

It is okay, he may be done reading it in a few weeks

@Creysys I implemented deferred shading recently in C#. Trying to reimplement it right now in C++, but it's not working, so we might be in the same position, lol.

but at least I got it working once so I might be able to help

@Icy

@IcyDefiance my problem is that my shader keeps outputting into the wrong texture :S. I am also using C# :D

oh yeah, I bet I know the problem

You do? <3

you made a framebuffer, right? and bound several textures to it as GL_COLOR_ATTACHMENT0-4 or whatever

I did

you need to use a glUniform call to set the shaders output variables to the attachment index they should output to

so like, if you have "out vec4 diffuse;" that you want to map to index 2, then you need to do something like "GL.Uniform("diffuse", 2);"

I forget exactly what OpenTK named that function, but you get the idea

Cant i use layout(location = 2)?

in the shader

that didn't work for me...though it's still in my shader. maybe I needed both, I don't remember.

Alright let me test that really quick thanks for your help. Can i help you with c++ ?

don't think so. I just replaced the deferred shaders with some passthrough ones and it's still not drawing anything, so I just need to figure out where I screwed up opengl's state.

Still the same :S

At my composition shader i only output the light color but the texture colors still output

weird...

not sure if I can help any more without going through your code myself, but if you want a working example, mine is here: bitbucket.org/IcyDefiance/niceframework

Yeah ive been stuck for 2 weeks now and im planning to quit

actually that example is "working", that just compiles to a dll and won't actually run, but the code is right

oh the other thing you can do is download gdebugger

run that and tell it to break when it detects opengl errors

Nice

I actually had been looking for a way to output opengl errors

and check your framebuffer for completeness...not sure if gdebugger will pick that up or not, so you might have to call glCheckFramebufferStatus​() yourself.

If you got some time i could start a short stream on twitch to show you the code and the result

I have time, but I'd rather use it on my project tbh. if you do those things and still can't figure out anything, then maybe.

Alright thanks anyways :)

It doesnt seem like i got any opengl errors

Something is spaghetti in my code

Hopefully i will get it to work someday

Have a great day @IcyDefiance

you too

LOL holy shit the cause of my bug was so stupid

I had a line like "vector<Vert> verts(vcount);" thinking it would just reserve the space for that many verts

but no it actually inserts that many into the vector

on the next line if I do "verts.reserve(vcount);" that does what I want

That's silly. Does it just call the default constructor?

Randomly generated?

coherently yeah

First one looks a lot like mid America

there is currently no climate/biomes

but i think it looks pretty good at this point

It does. How do it work though?

it is using Libnoise as the noise generator - then its just a customized layering of noise modules -- and then some color associations to the data

It looks so structured though

this is what it looks like.. just roughed it into the editor so I can play with the settings easily

Cool. going to open source it?

this probably not, since i didn't write the noise module

Isn't the module open source?

yeah

What's the problem then?

@Hjorthenify the way I had it, yeah it did. looks like I can also give it data to copy to every element if I want, which could be useful for some things...just not what I was doing.

True. I just find it silly for a constructor to be used that way. It makes far more sense for it to just reserve the space

o/

yeah I can't either

yeah, even is overrated

lol, whoops. I meant to post this in another chat room

I was talking about installing Arch

Jughead.

Yo @Jon

Important for you:

> This is a great day for all MonoGame developers out there. Xamarin have just announced that developers can now write games for Android and iOS for FREE! yes FREE! The Free licence given to game developers is the equivalent of a Business level licence, that comes with community support via the Xamarin forums. With this licence you can use Visual Studio or Xamarin Studio to develop for Android and iOS*. This is a limited offer though, so you must apply before the end of December.

> You do need to have a published game in one of the many stores available, that includes those of you who have XNA based games on Windows or Xbox 360, see the following article for more details.

its about fucken time

> blog.xamarin.com/indie-game-developers-get-xamarin-for-free

Available for a limited time only though

so, what does that mean?

i have to publish now?

No idea

sup folks

@Jon

> Indie game developers only need to have published a game in any framework on any platform to qualify. We’ll use your published details to verify your indie status:

So it looks like with Picross and whatever, you're good

That's from the blog post

resources.xamarin.com/xamarin-for-indie-game-developers.html

I singed up

awesome thanks man

No problem

I get a digest on my VS home screen from Microsoft and Xamarin and I just happened to see that

Also @Jon check this out: github.com/cupstudio/Cupstudio.V3

I just found a libnoise port in c# for 4D noise.. holy shit

:D

link?

github.com/jongallant/libnoise-dotnet

I ported it here, as the source control it was on is dying

awesome

wow

it actually is fucken amazing

they implemented a simplex version into it -- and it has 4d, and it is fast as fuck

i need to stop for today, because if I start going down this path, i'm gonna be doing this for the next 6 hours

quick glance, looks like it works fine with unity / 2.0net

but if it doesn't, i'll port it

If I'm using unity what do I need xamarin for? Honest question, I don't know what it offers me

you probably don't. it's mainly useful for using monogame on cell phones.

great question

if you are using unity, you don't need xamarin.

If you are using Monogame, and want to publish to mobile, you NEED xamarin

regardless of what the monogame site says

Ok thanks for the info :)

They purposely list it as the first two platforms they support -- clearly as they are the two most popular ones

Yet, the support comes from Xamarin -- and not from Monogame directly.

I will send you 10$ if you can show me any mention of xamarin on the monogame website

minus the news section.

Does the monogame site support comments? :o

damnit

the docs actually have been slightly improved... very slightly

is texturing a heightmap the same as texturing a quad, even though one texture is used for height and the other is used color?

heightmap is not a color map

I already have the heightmap working. What I'm trying to ask is if the same process is used when adding a single texture to it

yes...but mapping UV coords to the terrain might be hard.

most systems are lazy and just assume each vertex of the terrain is an equal distance apart, which results in the texture stretching a lot on cliffs.

outputting 250k strings to console before start() is bad.

@IcyDefiance so its different from texturing a regular quad?

you need to look at the change in value between the coordinates

well with a regular quad you still need UV coords

with a terrain you just have more vertices, so more UV coords

I have all the calculations ready. I'm just having a hard time displaying the texture

Im having a problem connecting the texture

KEEP GOING UNITY I HAVE PLENTY OF RAM

I CAN WAIT ALL NIGHT

lol

finally, deferred rendering is working in C++. that took way too much effort to debug.

nice

literally ate pizza

came bakc.. unity still running.. creeping up more ram

@Almo when u want that git tutorial :P

lol

fucking working on Saturdays

some bs

actually honestly it's really fun though

i was awarded half of the bounty apparnetly :)

o/

Hey Jon

wow it's only 6:30... feels more like 10

00:40 here