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1:01 PM
@NateKerkhofs Toll-free was only a requirement for the national operator (BT). Often mobile companies which gave you free "standard" calls or even standard calls at £0.10 a minute would charge £0.50 for "toll-free". That's why you often get the non-toll-free number as it often works out more free than the toll-free one.
 
Does rm -rf without a path included assume a path? or will it fail with "not enough arguments"?
 
@NateKerkhofs LOL
@NateKerkhofs Yes
 
@NateKerkhofs it'll fail as written
though, rm rf without the - will remove a file named rf in the current directory
 
Anyhow, just about 5 months ago the regulator made toll-free numbers toll-free from all phones, but "national rate" numbers are even more confusing now.
Flagging to get around your inability to downvote is abuse.
Just as it is using answers as comments because you don't have the reputation to comment.
 
@qasdfdsaq i flagged i because it was incorrect and contained wrong info with no evidence! Just as the mod stated in his response to my flag; i should only flag in those circumstances - which i did! I'm writing my own answer -.-
 
1:07 PM
You're not listening. Three different mods and a dozen other non-mods have told you you do NOT flag in those circumstances.
If the mod who responded told you you should only flag in those circumstances they wouldn't have declined your flag.
 
@qasdfdsaq Read the comment!!!!!! gyazo.com/285431dcd0613cb3135ee4d2db9b672d LOOK! omfg.
 
@R.Doto to put it bluntly, is what's going on on biology.se our problem? ;p
Also those are standard reject reasons.
 
@R.Doto The comment says you are wrong
 
read that before you continue
 
1:09 PM
Maybe YOU should read it?
"flags should not be used to indicate inaccuracies or a wrong answer."
 
Note that there is a reason "not an answer", but there is no reason "factually inaccurate answer".
 
@qasdfdsaq holy s***. I didn't see the 'not'. oops.
 
Are we sure we don't have a reincarnation of a certain RB here?
 
@qasdfdsaq RB? I don't know that name
 
@NateKerkhofs Don't sweat it
 
1:13 PM
Naw, not enough cussing.
@R.Doto I re-iterate though, how is stuff on the biology site any concern of ours?
 
@NateKerkhofs @qasdfdsaq @NateKerkhofs touche. i was wrong to flag it. Period. (The answer is still wrong though ;) )
 
!!tell 25877594 xkcd wrong internet
 
@JourneymanGeek It's not, i was just curious as to what is usually done in that situation i.e. false answers etc
 
until you can comment and/or downvote, there's really nothing you can do in the way of dealing with wrong answers, except to post an answer of your own that's more correct, get some upvotes, and then once you can comment, comment on how bad their answer is
 
1:16 PM
@ChatBotJohnCavil Funny!!!!!!
@allquixotic It's already in process ;) writing my answer now
@allquixotic i can comment, it just gets ignored lol
 
Comments are kinda third class citizens ;p
With even less love than chat.
 
@R.Doto That's what we've all been trying to tell you for the past hour...
@JourneymanGeek And yet some members seem to live their entire life through comments!
 
1:31 PM
the funny part is I have encountered many a StackOverflow answer that was helpful, but it was a comment on it that got me 100% of the way to the solution.
Something like a code block and then a comment saying "On .NET 4.0 and later you have to do this ..."
Of course they never bother editing the answer (either the commenter or the OP)
 
@JourneymanGeek "chat allows all 10k+ users across the network to act on chat flags" from meta.stackexchange.com/questions/125192/…. Is this still valid? If so where do I action chat flags?
 
@DavidPostill you can mark them as "valid" or "not sure" when you see a flag; it'll appear on your profile picture in the bottom left when there's a flag
I'd demonstrate, but people rightly tend to get upset when false flags are thrown, as it attracts a lot of undue attention to the room
 
@DavidPostill it would be a bubble like a notification.
Click on it and it'll let you action it
 
Ah. Ok. I've never seen one ;) Probably because I was not in the room when the last mass flagging happened ...
 
skittles and ketchup? no, I don't think so
 
Supplementary question ... How does one get added to the list of room owners? Would it be useful if I was added?
 
@DavidPostill we can appoint them, but by tradition its by tenure.
(Least for me, I was automatically appointed owner)
and I donno
 
Sathya made me an owner about 10 months after I started coming here, I guess... on one random day when I was like, "I can help! :D"
 
;p
I was made room owner automatically ._.
 
@JourneymanGeek OK. I think I'm one of the more "level-headed" posters here, so was thinking I could also help out when things get a bit heated! ;)
 
1:44 PM
@DavidPostill *kick-mutes DavidPostill for getting heated* j/k j/k
 
@DavidPostill Lies.
 
;p
As the ones who're here more. @Bob @allquixotic what do you think?
 
I've only used kick-mute once in a non-joking fashion
 
(of the room owners)
I'm personally of the opinion room ownership is somewhat nerfed so I'm ambivalent about this
 
@JourneymanGeek Aside from visiting diamond mods (of which you're the only active one who shows up here from SU), we only have two active non-diamond room owners, me and Bob. If you think that you, me and Bob are enough, there's no real need to add more, but adding a small number more wouldn't really hurt anything. Adding lots more would, obviously
@JourneymanGeek They made it way more powerful with kick-mute. Plus pinning, canceling stars...
 
1:46 PM
;p
You kids and your newfangled toys.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek The important thing is seeing deleted messages.
 
@DavidPostill there you go. Try not to abuse your powers.
 
Bob
There's a pretty huge question of trust invovled there.
 
I thought 10ks can see deleted messages anyway?
 
1:47 PM
Yup
 
Bob
@allquixotic No. Just room owners.
 
ok, so the two of you disagree on that point of fact
 
Bob
I can't see deleted messages in other rooms.
Pretty sure.
 
@JourneymanGeek Thanks for trusting me. Are there any links about the new stuff?
 
1:47 PM
I don't have 10K anywhere else.
 
it's easy to test!
 
@DavidPostill beats me.
 
remove me from the list of room owners
 
I hardly ever used my room owner powers.
 
do it now, then delete something
 
delete
 
@allquixotic there you go.
 
Bob wins! Flawless victory. FATALITY
 
Anyway, I do see having someone in GMT as room owner being potentially useful so ...
 
1:49 PM
Conclusion: being a room owner in one room means you can see deleted messages only in that room; seeing deleted messages is not related to reputation.
 
Bob
As far as @DavidPostill - to be honest I don't know him well enough socially to decide either way.
 
ALso, if you want something gone gone just ask a mod to nuke it.
 
Bob
And a large part of chat is social. Especially when it comes to deleted messages.
 
There's a purge history option that works here
(no idea if room owners can do that. That's a VERY useful mod tool)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Nope.
We can't affect messages in any way whatsoever.
 
1:57 PM
@Bob "And a large part of chat is social. Especially when it comes to deleted messages." Can you expand on that a bit?
 
@DavidPostill basically deleted messages are things people shouldn't have posted, don't want posted or misposted.
So you obviously have a bit of responsibility to use those powers appropriately
 
@DavidPostill I definitely don't do anything of the sort ;)
 
Bob
@DavidPostill There's some personal info which was shared and then quickly deleted.
 
Ah. No problem. I've been there myself.
 
Bob
That's why there's a certain level of social trust, i.e. we know this person, involved. More than just "he seems to be a good person based on <actions on main>".
 
1:59 PM
@Bob FWIW, having dealt with @DavidPostill in private about an opportunity a few months ago, I have no reservations about trusting him to not go digging through (removed) messages and grabbing sensitive data.
But it's understandable if you don't have that same level of experience with him
 
@allquixotic Thanks.
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'm just saying I don't know him that well personally.
That's neither good nor bad. It just means I'm a bit hesitant.
 
Well. He's been a regular for some time now, so you will get to know him now ;p
Unrelatedly, it's a little frightening just how fast Google snags messages and indexes them.
Most (removed) messages are probably Streisanded, permanently.
 
@Bob I could say the same about everybody on SO. I've never met any of you face to face ... but I have a gut feeling having been around for a while that I know who to rely on ... ;)
And who is likely to be trolling or taking the mickey ...
 
Come to think of it, it'd be trivial to write a bot that just sits silently in chat and monitors the room and logs every message when it's posted, and doesn't respect removals, just keeps the logs forever (and all edits).
I wonder if any of the "folks" in the room do that. (and no, Cavil does not log anything)
 
2:04 PM
@allquixotic ;)
 
Bob
@allquixotic kal-na probably does
 
@Bob It took me a second to understand who you were talking about, then I realized. Yeah, that person seemingly does, since you can apparently summon them even with saying one of their several alternate names without a ping O_O
 
lol
she that shall not be named is a bit of an enigma ;p
 
I think she added that particular moniker to her list, so you probably just summoned her.
One of the last times she was here, she was like "dang, you guys are talking about me and using ^ (that expression you used), I'll have to add that to my search"
 
Bob
@allquixotic Yea, but I normally see him talking about the site. Not so much with general chat.
Just my impression so far.
 
2:08 PM
Hey @DavidPostill. Headphones? Headphones! Let's talk about headphones!
;-)
 
or how about grass
or Star Wars VII
 
@Daniel what is the release date? :P
 
the 18th, I believe
 
Requisite room owner indoctrination process involves headphone discussion.
 
2:10 PM
@Daniel Not sure if i want to risk seeing it on opening day lol
 
Tested had a video on planar headphones... ;p
 
I have pair of headphones. I used to live in NL. I don't like starwars ;)
 
It'll be worse than Black Friday @R.Doto
 
2:10 PM
That's an event on my SWTOR guild's calendar that I created
 
And man, that amp is sweet.
Granted, Its probably that giant knob ;p
 
@DavidPostill Can you translate 'i don't like starwars', please?
 
If you want to talk Bab5 or Blakes 7 ...
 
@DavidPostill You don't like Star Wars?! In the immortal words of Sheridan, "Now get the hell out of my galaxy!" -____-
 
@allquixotic Bye ...
 
2:12 PM
lol
<3 b5
 
j/k
 
@Daniel haha, possibly! Hope not. I enjoy my personal space
 
I donno, I don't like starwards as much as I used to ;p
Tho, the new trilogy has me excited.
 
Yeah. I'm a bit of a Star Wars geek. I write up news posts like that fairly often as part of our RP story arc for SWTOR
 
Hey guys
 
2:15 PM
@JourneymanGeek Especially with the departure of beloved Padme :(
 
take a look at this:
 
@allquixotic Star wars id one of my early geek things.
But I have much more love for battletech and B5
 
Apparently there is a fake twitter post generator out there
and it's simple to use, from my experience
although the profile image failed
 
Well, then...
 
Hey, I've got class, I'll catch you guyzes later
 
2:17 PM
@DavidPostill What headphones? I have like 9 pair @_@
Mostly bluetooth or wireless these days.
 
@allquixotic i need to get myself some wireless headphones! I often get the cord caught on door handles, sending them abruptly to the ground -.- It can't just be that does that?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Turning off ShadowPlay brings my idle power usage from 190 to 160 W :P
Hm. Higher than I remember.
 
2:33 PM
@allquixotic Phillips SHP2000. And some Jabra ear buds. Both do what it says on the tin ;)
 
@Bob Your computer uses a lot less energy when idle than mine.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Really? I thought yours was about 150?
 
@Bob It's pretty variable between 216, 234 and 243. I'm not sure what the variances are due to. Might be power savings on the SSDs that get canceled when maxCache engages. Or something.
And that's with 51W from the LCD
 
Bob
@allquixotic Yea, mine varies too.
 
So, it's definitely much higher than 150, by 20 - 50 Watts
 
Bob
2:35 PM
140 is approx min. Max is up to 200.
Usually around 150-160.
ooh it just dropped to 137 :P
Down to about 120 with the monitor off.
Matches up. My monitor is "Power Consumption < 35 W"
@allquixotic You have some pretty power-hungry stuff there :P
 
@Bob Yeah. Though I've been habitually shutting down the computer when I go to work.
@DavidPostill Hmm. Over-ears. Those don't work particularly well with dog ears (JMG), cat ears (me), or fox ears (Bob).
 
2:52 PM
@allquixotic Or spock ears ;). Fortunately my ears fit in the cans as designed. In your case you should check mashable.com/2012/08/03/cat-headphones which are specially designed for your anatomy.
@JourneymanGeek should check out Mad Dog Headphones mrspeakers.com/mrspeakers-mad-dog-headphones
 
LOL
 
And @Bob should check out "Dolce & Gabbana launches $8,000 jewel-encrusted headphones that are trimmed with fox pelt" dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2988612/…
We cater for all tastes around here ;)
 
Bob
> trimmed with fox pelt
 
!!tell 25879757 foxno
 
@Bob Maybe redfoxwireless.com is more acceptable?
"We did not start Red Fox to be another audio company, but rather a solution company. Once you experience your life with one of our devices, you’ll never go back to wires again. "
 
@DavidPostill oh, the headphones they are based on are legendary
Basically one of the most neutral headphones you can buy
tho, planar, so about the second hardest to drive headphone types there is
You could go electrostatic, and have a few hundred volts right next to your rars...
 
@JourneymanGeek With the combination of my age and going to Motorhead concerts when I was younger I don't think I would appreciate the finer points of those cans.
 
@Bob That's gotta be the coolest cat picture I've seen all month
 
3:09 PM
@DavidPostill lol
I do have a dog's hearing ;p
 
@qasdfdsaq Careful. Cat != Fox
 
That's why I said cat...
 
@DavidPostill a lot of listening to me is "training" ;p
Its not just hearing but with a decent setup, I can pretty much pick say an instrument waaay out there.
 
@JourneymanGeek They claim to be the world's loudest band. I can remember my ears ringing for several days after one concert :/ I also remember one guy who stuck his head inside one of the big bass speaker enclosures ... I suppose he is deaf ...
 
lol
I've never been to a concert ;p
 
Bob
3:14 PM
@DavidPostill ... that one is a cat :P
 
Not sure If I could i might be trampled underfoot I'm not too fond of crowds
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq source
 
@Bob Really? Do you know what breed?
 
Bob
@DavidPostill I don't know what breed. I do know it doesn't look much like a fox.
 
3:17 PM
@Bob True, it doesn't have the right nose. But it's a strange looking cat
 
Man, I loved those headphones ;p
 
@Bob Yep, that much was obvious from the teeth
 
@qasdfdsaq @bob I was looking at the wrong image :/
You were talking about the cat with the lightbulb in it's mouth?
 
going sleep now. Try not to burn down the oom overnight ;)
 
3:32 PM
@DavidPostill Yes
 
Bob
Sleep sounds good.
 
the oom? ;p
 
The out of memory?
 
Yep. We're going to burn down Linux's OOM killer while JMG sleeps.
 
Thank god. Finally. That retarded OOM killer needs to make the jump into the 21st century already.
 
Bob
3:44 PM
 
@qasdfdsaq There was a fun talk about things like the Linux OOM killer by Bryan Cantrill of Joyent (previously Sun). I think it's here: youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc
Robust systems can handle OOM situations in the kernel. Linux really can't. :P
 
@allquixotic Yep.
I crashed a Linux server once because a nyancat bash script caused an OOM by forking mplayer too many times
 
So apparently, clean installing the drivers didn't fix my graphical display issue
 
GOOD
 
@qasdfdsaq Was that aimed at me?
 
3:51 PM
That's what she said!
 
I just saw this and I had the share it:
 
@qasdfdsaq Please act like your age. And if you're actually a 12yo, please try to be mature
 
@NateKerkhofs I've never met a 12yo who understands "that's what she said"
!!taytaytay
 
3:54 PM
@NateKerkhofs Probably hardware. Though, still try to update your BIOS/UEFI firmware and chipset drivers.
 
She's my age!
 
@qasdfdsaq I don't care how old you have to be to get it, this is neither the time nor the place for memes like that
 
Wait, is that gif photoshopped?
 
Oh, that girl is now animated
Se never was before (then again, lots of ad stuff is blocked on the PC at home)
 
@allquixotic chipset drivers, that's the drivers on my motherboard, right?
I'm not really familiar with driver and bios updates, they're often more involved than download-install-reboot
I'm always worried that I might mess something up
 
3:57 PM
@qasdfdsaq probably not. I think it's just got a colour filter over the image and it's a low quality image :P
 
she looks very stereoscopic
 
@NateKerkhofs You can download system application to schedule them for you... Hassle free.
 
@R.Doto really? Free, I assume, right?
Could you give me an example?
 
@NateKerkhofs Most Laptops come with them as default. Unless, you're referring to a customly installed BIOS?
 
@Leathe Why do you think I always wear stereoscopic glasses when I'm in this chat room?
 
4:00 PM
@R.Doto According to HowToGeek and MSI, such tools might not be a good idea, since background processes might interfere
Also, this is a desktop
 
@NateKerkhofs You can arrange them to install before any non-essential background processes are running i.e. on boot. I believe. It works fine for me.
 
@R.Doto okay. I got an ASUS P8P67 Pro, Rev 1.XX, according to wmic
and our dear friend Google only finds information about Rev 3.0
 
@NateKerkhofs Bit selfish to demand that I act my age then if you refuse to do it yourself.
Either you act my age, or I'll act yours.
 
@qasdfdsaq We should all act our own age, or else our act is aged beyond dated
 
@NateKerkhofs Hmmm, do you know if updates have even been issued for Rev 1?
 
4:05 PM
Equality requires we all act the same age.
Otherwise all we're doing is breeding further inequality
 
@qasdfdsaq Equality also means we should all donate one testicle to a woman in return for one of their ovaries
And I'm going to stop this line of thought before I get into trouble
 
@NateKerkhofs I would do that
Hmm Xeon E3-1240 with 24GB RAM or Xeon E3-1220 with 32GB RAM
 
@R.Doto I can't even find the mobo on the Asus website
 
@qasdfdsaq That's for Rev. 3 if you check on Overview
I'm on Revision 1
 
4:09 PM
That's for all revs.
 
@NateKerkhofs OS name, please^
 
@qasdfdsaq So I can flash a Rev 1.XX BIOS with one designed for Rev 3?
@R.Doto Windows 10.0 (not yet 1511)
 
It's exactly the same BIOS
 
>wmic bios get smbiosbiosversion
SMBIOSBIOSVersion
1502
 
@qasdfdsaq that seems fishy...
 
4:11 PM
@R.Doto Not really. It's exactly the same motherboard
The only difference is the components were manufactured later.
It's rare for a MB revision bump to change any driver or BIOSes. It's quite clear from ASUS' website that this one does not
P8P67 PRO BIOS 3602
3.Fixed Nvidia GTX 680 hang when runing with UEFI driver.
 
I'm not sure, but could it be possible that, because my motherboard and GPU are of different age, they're not compatible?
@qasdfdsaq ah, so there IS a new version? good to know
 
About 1.5 years newer, but still 3 years old today
 
@qasdfdsaq No windows 10 option. I assume Windows 8.1 option would work?
 
@NateKerkhofs BIOS updates can be found under the "Other" /" No OS" section
Not sure if the actual flasher would work under Windows 10 but Asus are quite good at integrating an update application into the BIOS itself
So you should be able to just save it to a disk and go into BIOS => EZFlash or whatever it is you have
 
the cooperation <3
 
4:15 PM
@qasdfdsaq So, how do I do this? I really want to avoid bricking something
 
Course I have no idea what the background of your graphics problem is so I'm just pointing out how to do a BIOS update, not whether or not it'll fix your issue
@NateKerkhofs I would say RT(F)M
 
Page 3-30 of the manual gives you instructions on using the integrated BIOS updater.
 
@qasdfdsaq That is the problem I currently have
Static textures appear like through a grate
 
IMO, that doesn't look like a BIOS issue, but it's worth a try, seeing several of the updates do claim to increase stability and reduce graphics problems.
 
4:19 PM
@NateKerkhofs I don't think that it's ever essential to update your BIOS imo. Unless there are major issues of course. The graphics issue might not be due to an old BIOS version. Have you looked into the issue more thoroughly? (before going ahead and risking an update)
 
@R.Doto Here's what I know: it isn't there when I start the computer. Sometimes, when I'm adjusting my audio volume, I get a black flicker, and after that the issues start
I have already done a clean driver install using DDU and Geforce experience
And I still have the issue
I'm not quite sure when it started, but I think it started sometime since I upgraded to 10.
possibly around the time that I installed my new computer desk
I did install an SSD, but that was before I upgraded to 10
I'm going to make a question about it. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this issue.
 
@NateKerkhofs I don't know how the audio system and visual graphics are related ngl. It would usually only be down to the graphics driver?
@NateKerkhofs It's a windows error.
@NateKerkhofs not any error to do with the BIOS imo
 
@R.Doto All I know is that sometimes, when I scroll the audio modifier wheel on my Logitech G510 keyboard, I get a black flicker
 
@NateKerkhofs That's a known issue at Microsoft (with logitech) - there hasn't been a bugfix as of yet. It's been around since the release of w10 :P
 
@R.Doto ah
And here I was, thinking it had something to do with my GPU.
Well, guess I'm getting myself a new keyboard for christmas
 
4:29 PM
@NateKerkhofs yup. That's the only issue - the keyboard ;)
@NateKerkhofs there will be a clandestine fix, however! Some freelance might have found a work-around
@NateKerkhofs have you tried remapping the hotkey?
 
worth a shot
@R.Doto it's not a hotkey, it's a literal scroll wheel on my keyboard that's used for volume control
 
@NateKerkhofs if you remap the hotkey it'd be fixed
@NateKerkhofs same thing ;) jk. Yes, you can remap the volume slider key
 
@R.Doto If you can, I can't find an option for that in the software
 
@NateKerkhofs Do you know how to use 'Autohotkey'?
 
@R.Doto I know what it is, but not how to use it
 
I already use it, I mean, to fix a double click issue with my old mouse
but i replaced my mouse this week
 
@NateKerkhofs Ohh. Hmm, give a minute.
 
AutoHotKey is awesome.
I have a couple scripts permanently running.
 
I'll show you :P
 
@ArtOfCode Yes it is
Too awesome for me.
 
4:36 PM
One of them gives me keyboard access to a whole load of characters my keyboard wouldn't usually have
 
hm
so apparently, once I update to the November update, the problem might be fixed
At least, according to this random poster on the Logitech support forums who says that Insider Preview Build 10565 has fixed it for him
And according to the Logitech employee
So at least I know it can be fixed
 
@NateKerkhofs what's the best method to fileshare with you>
 
that's the easiest way for me
However, I won't need that anymore
If I can get the November update for Windows 10 to work, it'll be fixed
 
@NateKerkhofs Ah, i have a fix :P
 
@qasdfdsaq How about switching ages?
 
4:42 PM
@TomWijsman I'm confused
 
Since I got some spare time, I'm going to prepare a 1511 Update DVD so I don't need to download it again every time I want to try and patch Windows 10
That's how it works right? I can prepare a windows 10 ISO using the MCT and it'll have the 1511 update worked in, right?
Because I know that Microsoft had a week or so last month where that wasn't the case
Which just so happened to be the week I had my first attempt at using the MCT to install the November update
 
@qasdfdsaq Confusion comes with age.
 
@TomWijsman Confucius would agree
 
@NateKerkhofs i sent you the fix btw :P
 
@R.Doto I'll keep it in case I'll need it
I first want to try getting the November Update in order again
 
4:51 PM
@NateKerkhofs ahah, no problem :)
 
Oh Microsoft un-withdrew the 1511 ISO?
 
@qasdfdsaq According to the information I last heard, they did
From what I heard about it, they temporarily withdrew it to fix a bug where the 1511 update would reset your privacy settings to default values without your consent
 
Yep, found it: zdnet.com/article/…
Ta
Not sure why it's such a big issue, seeing as Microsoft itself has said "Your privacy settings mean nothing to us!" anyway.
 
@qasdfdsaq Privacy... Windows 10? What is that?
 
@R.Doto It's what happens when you know how to use the firewall.
 
4:57 PM
@qasdfdsaq sigh.
 
@R.Doto I believe the term you are looking for is le sigh
 
Okay, I downloaded the ISO, and it is the 1511 update
 

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