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12:49 PM

@terdon hey. Sorry, thought you were referring to sources.list.d as a file

Ah, no, it's a directory that contains repository lists.

@terdon only just clicked that it was a directory.. it contains.. nodesource.list stebbins-handbrake-releases-wheezy.list
nodesource.list.save stebbins-handbrake-releases-wheezy.list.save

So, you should probably remove the ppa file from it.

OK, what's in stebbins-handbrake-releases-wheezy.list?

Also, what do you get for apt-cache search handbrake?

in stebbins-handbrake-releases-wheezy.list : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stebbins/handbrake-releases/ubuntu wheezy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/stebbins/handbrake-releases/ubuntu wheezy main

sudo apt-cache search handbrake....
handbrake - Versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder
handbrake-cli - Versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder (command line)
handbrake-gtk - Versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder (GTK GUI)

@Chris Ah! There we go, that's a ppa. Those usually don't work with Debian.

@Chris OK, then. Why don't you just run apt-get install handbrake?

Remove the ppas and all that jazz and just install it from Debian's repos.

12:53 PM

sudo apt-get install handbrake
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
handbrake : Depends: handbrake-cli but it is not going to be installed or

Hmmm. OK, I think you should probably post a question about that instead. Go back to the beginning and ask how you can install handbrake on wheezy (why aren't you on jessie, by the way?). I doubt that adding a PPA is the right way. In the meantime, what do you get for apt-cache search handbrake-cli?

sudo apt-cache search handbrake-cli
handbrake-cli - Versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder (command line)

Huh? So why isn't that installed? Does apt-get install handbrake-cli handbrake-gtk handbrake work any better?

sudo apt-get install handbrake-cli handbrake-gtk handbrake
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
handbrake-cli : Depends: libass5 (>= 0.10.2) but it is not going to be installed

Really annoying! :(

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3:18 PM

@Chris Ask a question on the site.

There's actually a question about handbrake that I posted some time ago.

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Q: Handbrake for wheezy?

Has anyone figured out how to install/backport a Debian Handbrake package on Debian wheezy? The only version of Handbrake currently in Debian is in experimental, and the dependencies are not available on wheezy, so I can't easily rebuild it. In particular the version of libav used is the version ...

debian software-installation multimedia

@FaheemMitha sorry been, really busy. Going to get round to it

@FaheemMitha thanks for that link

Top answer talks about a handbrake wheezy backport.

Which should still be available.

3:31 PM

@FaheemMitha brilliant

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5:21 PM

I broke my mailserver by accident, cannot send or receive

an error occurred while sending mail. the mail server responded temporarily rejected message(#4.3.0)

all I did was upgrading the virus software clamav

I use qmail with spamassassin

Just ordered myself a new phone... :-P

which one?

@meda are you running postgrey or something similar that implements greylsiting?

greylisting will send a failure for the message and fail any for the next N minutes, then it will allow them. this lets any normal mailservers that queue and re-send mail work but breaks people that send-and-forget e.g. some bulk mail spammers

@casey no I use qmail with spamassassin

I dont see issues in the logs

I just know the issue started when I updated clamav/clamd

@casey Nexus 6P

big phone!

5:32 PM

@casey but I try to disable clamd its the same issue

also good choice. Between my nexus 7 tablet and moto X (2013) phone I don't see myself purchasing anything with htc/samsung/etc bloat on top of android again.

does qmail depend on antivirus

@meda im not familiar with qmail

i run postfix and have spent some time in the past absorbing the arcana of sendmail

@casey Yes, I must be one of the first orders, as I realized Google had predictable URLs :-P

6:05 PM

@derobert hah, nice

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7:09 PM

@derobert predictable URLs? Do tell.

7:21 PM

... spend 10 minutes trying to figure out why volume levels on the headset are horribly broken and playing with puliseaudio crap before realizing the audio jack on the headset side is not quite all the way engaged...

7:47 PM

@FaheemMitha e.g. if some URL is company.com/products/SKU1123 and you want to the product SKU2213 so you guess company.com/products/SKU2213

@casey How do you know the product ID?

you make an educated guess if it isn't outright known

@FaheemMitha Well, in this case the nexus 6 had a URL ending in Nexus_6 ... and the Nexus 6P, well, just add a P at the end.

@derobert You put Sherlock Holmes to shame. :-)

Aren't those phones horribly expensive? Do you never drop phones? Or lose them?

@FaheemMitha Not really. Haven't ever lost a phone. Seldom drop them.

Yeah, it was like $650, because I got the 128 GB version.

7:55 PM

ive never had to replace a phone due to loss or breakage

the closest was getting a new microphone on one but that was an easy repair

@derobert Good grief.

in fact I still have all my old phones in a shoebox in the closet... and they all still work

You guys are clearly superhuman.

I bring one those with me to europe to use the local SIM cards

@casey <officially awestruck>

If your old phones still work, why buy new ones?

7:56 PM

data technology

e.g. I have an iphone 1st gen that can only do 2g EDGE data

@casey I have my old ones all working, except for the Galaxy Nexus which had the 5GHz Wi-Fi break, then when Samsung tried to fix that (on their third attempt, after twice returning it unfixed) they managed to break it completely.

And I already had a Nexus 4 at that point, so I gave up.

and the phone inbetween that iphone and my current phone was a samsung galaxy S II and it was having hardware issues and I wanted a "purer" android phone

It even took like 10 minutes on the phone each time to convince them that it was even supposed to have 5 GHz WiFi. Seriously. You'd think I was talking to Comcast.

so you can also see I average about 1 phone every 4 years or so, so its not like my old phone cache is large

Ah, I was doing one a year. The Nexus 5 is the first one I've kept for 2 years, for a while.

7:59 PM

my first cell phone was in 1998, and I didn't keep the old TDMA handsets because they are just paperweights these days

I think I have a Nokia candybar from ~2000-ish, probably still works.

@derobert my galaxy SII would randomly reboot from a faulty power button and the USB port was problematic

No idea. It's gathering dust somewhere.

@casey Oh, the Galaxy Nexus had a broken USB port—that's when I finally sent it in to Samsung for warranty repair. Along with the wifi issue it had from like the 1st week, but wasn't serious enough to deal with the hassle.

They fixed the USB port, and ignored the wifi issue, and sent it back...

lovely

And I got to send it to them twice more, I think, before they sent it back with a motherboard so badly broken it crashed randomly and sound didn't work.

8:02 PM

For those of you wondering why the "late answers" queue suddendly spiked to some 700 items, they increased the rep threshold needed to avoid being put on that queue and it took effect retroactively.

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Q: Can we raise the bar for reputation for late answers to enter the review queue?

I would like to raise the bar for late answers to enter the Late Answers Review Queue to 50 rep, which is the threshold after which users gain the ability to comment. Here are some answers that were posted by users with between 10 to 50 rep (yes, there's a little selection bias to be sure. I susp...

feature-request status-completed featured review late-answers

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so go get your late answer review badges!

dang... that's a lot of them!

unix.stackexchange.com/review/late-answers/108913 ... normally we'd add a comment suggesting OP make his answer less link-only. Not sure what to do, though, since that "new" answer is from 2012.

And the user hasn't been seen since 2012.

Also I suspect it's obsolete anyway.

I've heard rumors of people trading in their old phones for partial credit on a new one.

@derobert it isn't link-only, it's offering the suggestion to try different display modes at the boot prompt

@Gilles No, it's not link-only (so I'm not flagging it—that'd be easy), but it'd still be much improved if the info on how to do that were in the answer itself.

8:14 PM

but it would be better to add the content from that forum post, which I'm not going to do now but anyone with a bit of free time can do

I suppose I could edit it, but I strongly suspect its obsolete and no longer of use to anyone.

@terdon Isn't "raise the bar" used incorrectly here?

It should be "raise the bar" for answers to not enter the queue, surely.

@FaheemMitha Not really, no. There was a limit of X maximum reputation which, once surpassed, would ensure that your new answers to old questions wouldn't appear in the "late answers queue". This limit has now been raised so answers from users above the old limit have flooded the queue. Hence, the bar was raised.

@derobert Yeah, I've been clicking through those "no action needed".

@terdon "raise the bar" is usually a defence against something happening, not the reverse.

@FaheemMitha It's more about raising a threshold and a threshold was raised.

I see what you mean but it doesn't bother me much.

8:28 PM

@FaheemMitha well, in this case it's a defense against poor answers slipping through

@derobert If you want to think of it like that...

But whatever

if you have enough rep, your answers to old questions do not get reviewed. That's the bar that was raised—now that amount of rep is higher

(Seems rather silly, though, that they didn't limit it to 2015!)

@derobert It's infinitely retroactive?

@FaheemMitha I saw one from 2011. So, it certainly goes back a ways.

Seen plenty from 2012.

@derobert Ok.

It's true. Late answers from low rep users are generally terrible.

What happens if everyone ignores the queue?

8:41 PM

@FaheemMitha It becomes useless. We need to get through all this new crap so actual new answers can be reviewed again.

@terdon Ooh, what fun.

Yeah :(

Only ~600 late answers. I take pity on you! Muhuhuhahaha!

@FaheemMitha long ago they raised the age limit. Now they raised the rep bar. Bad combination.

@terdon twice, when it enters low-quality review queue too. :D

@muru Is that pity or jealousy? AU has 4.3K, how many on Vi and Vim?

Pity. Can't get Steward badge. :D

@terdon a grand total of three pending review posts total. :D

8:47 PM

Grrr.

SE kind of screwed up on this one.

Still, we might find something worth cleaning up. I've already deleted a few.

@terdon us poor mortals can't. mod powers. :sigh:

@muru Dude, you are a mod!

@terdon not where it's needed right now (AU)

You seem to have certain misguided ideas about what makes a good editor, but you're still a mod!

:P

@muru Ah, yes. Well, we can still vote to delete though. At the moment, I've got my hands full with the queue here, no time for the AU one.

@terdon not in the late answer queue. Only flag/edit/vote, or no action needed

8:51 PM

@muru Ah yes, but we should be ab;e to vote for deletion just like on any other answer. It just needs to be at -2 already.

@terdon I'm getting posts with +2 and +3 here. :D

Yeah. Me too. Sigh.

user image

@muru pfffft

> vise

> verb (used with object), vised, vising.
>2.
> to hold, press, or squeeze with or as with a vise.

Sounds about right.

@muru hmmm, an aggressive-looking character wants me to get into a vise on behalf of the United States

Peace, love and the kitchen sink!

8:57 PM

>:D It's a cult! Whaddaya expect?

@muru Age limit? What age limit?

@FaheemMitha for late answer posts. In 2013, they changed it so that any old post could get into the late-answer queue

@muru Oh, I see.

@donroby No, the "minimum creation date" is being automatically gradually shifted back in time. In ~2 months, the Late Answers queue will cover all of Stack Overflow (first post on 2008-07-31!). — Emmett Dec 26 '12 at 23:30

Hey, is the rep used the current rep, then?

9:08 PM

Seems like it. I haven't yet seen a 50+ rep user's post, but have seen 20s and 30s.

So, if you wrote a late answer years ago when you had a rep of 1, but you now have a rep > 100, you will be spared the shame and humiliation of having your post entering the late answers queue?

@muru You're a Vim mod? When did that happen?

@FaheemMitha 50. 100's for Stack Overflow only, from what Jon Ericson said.

And Indian too. Apparently there are Indians who use vim. I don't think I've ever met any.

@muru Oh. I didn't read that post carefully.

Accidents happen. :D

@FaheemMitha Racist! :D :D :D :D

9:15 PM

@Fabby He's Indian too. :P

(for a gender neutral "he", I don't really know)

@muru IIT Bombay? We're practically neighbors. :-)

@muru Hey, that's why I added 3 more :D after the one I posted first!

@muru I'm male, yes. (Please suppress your gasps of amazement.)

@FaheemMitha You humans are all each other's neigbours comared to Vorlons!

@FaheemMitha Come visit some time! :D

9:18 PM

@Fabby I don't know any Vorlons. I hear their poetry is terrible.

@muru lol

@FaheemMitha That's Vogon, right?

And you humans' preoccupation with sex and gender is just plain weird!

@muru right

@muru Whatever. Who can keep track?

@FaheemMitha someone who's heard Vogon poetry, I suppose. :P

9:19 PM

@muru :-)

@muru +10!

@FaheemMitha Vogons != Vorlons. One's from the Hitchhiker's Guide and the other from Babylon 5

@muru I think I should mention I use emacs, just as a disclaimer.

@Fabby presumably you have neither? :P

@terdon Oh right. That thing.

9:20 PM

@FaheemMitha That's assumed of all reasonable people.

@FaheemMitha I know. So does Gilles. And presumably terdon

Me? MS Word for evah!

He's just kidding.

@terdon Moneybags. Wordpad for poor people! :P

:)

I'm Greek you know, we're famous for our money.

Famous for wasting it anyway.

9:22 PM

@terdon kinda implied when you started using Word. :P

@terdon Did I mention I had lunch with WYSIWYG the other day?

I hope I typed that correctly.

I hear MS is quite expensive.

@muru I've never paid for it! What do you take me for?

@FaheemMitha Really? Cool! Was it pleasant? He seems like a nice guy.

@terdon which reminds me, I should look around to see if any free licenses are lying around..

@terdon It was good, though of necessity brief. A bit weird, of course. I was rather negative about academia. I hope that didn't bother him too much.

@muru why don't you put that esoteric knowledge of that strange editor of yours to some good use:

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Q: swap strings of text inside vim using regex

I am working with a file where I need to swap "string A" and "String B's" locations simultaneously with a regex inside the vim. Here is an example line of code: succ_1st=`grep 'resulted in successful answer' $path_tmp/named.stats.tmp | sed '/localhost.localdomain/,/testdns.net/{//!d}' | awk '{ p...

files regular-expression quoting

@FaheemMitha I'd like to meet someone from SE, must be kinda weird.

9:24 PM

@terdon looking into it now. But regex is always painful, no matter the program

I was a little taken aback to discover he doesn't use version control.

Who?

@FaheemMitha He's a biologist, not a coder.

Neither do I, by the way, I am ashamed to admit.

@muru WYSIWYG. In Biology SE. He's one of the mods. Also a student based in Pune.

@muru Vorlons are pure energy... :P So no sex and no gender! >:-)

9:25 PM

I think he has an affiliation with IITB, some place in Pune, and some place in Delhi.

I'm guessing you've not run into him.

@FaheemMitha dammit.. here I was thinking you were continuing the joke on MS Word!

@muru He was passing through Bombay on his way to Delhi. So I gave him lunch.

Unlikely. PGs have no social life beyond their department. Or not much, anyway

@terdon Famous for the propaganda saying you're wasting it anyway! >:-)

@muru Different WYSIWIG.

9:26 PM

@muru You thought I was talking about terdon?

@muru PG?

@Fabby Too true, I'm afraid. Far from the only cause of our current problems but certainly part of them. Our corruption is even worse than Italy's and, as you well know, that's saying something.

@FaheemMitha no, I thought you had occasion to use a WYSIWYG editor. :D

@FaheemMitha post-graduate

@terdon Who else is a biologist? Gilles?

@Fabby Faheem was talking about WYSIWIG, a mod on biology.se.

@terdon Oh? I didn'tknow that... I've worked with Greeks before and I can say from my personal experience: No harder worker then a Greek!

9:28 PM

And no, Gilles is not a biologist, he's a bot. Or a mushroom. Or a mushroom's reproductive apparatus. I forget.

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@Fabby True. Unfortunately, it doesn't apply to the public sector.

I think Gilles does dev work. But he's fairly hush-hush about it.

@terdon Ah! I get it! (finally!)

@FaheemMitha hardly hush-hush: it's mentioned on my profile page

And he seems to have picked up an improbably extensive background of all sorts of things from somewhere.

@terdon :D

(starred!)

9:29 PM

Oops.

I keep forgetting these chats are public.

by the way, I know nothing about bovine dentistry

@Gilles French language, developer on embedded systems... You must be working for Alcatel-Lucent...

There's another guy who is mod on 7 different sites.

I forget his name now.

That's Rory

@Gilles Yes, I think we covered that.

9:31 PM

he sings, too

@Gilles Yes, that's him. Allsop?

no, actually I think he plays the guitar

@Gilles I meant, hush hush about the details.

@muru So, hows things at IITB?

@FaheemMitha warming up. project presentations coming up, then placement season

@muru Are you going to be graduating?

9:35 PM

next July, hopefully

@muru How hopeful are you?

(And I've never seen this room so lively!

Given that I seem to have the most supportive prof for a guide, very.

@muru Ah, Ok. What area? CS? Something else?

CS, yes.

Ok. So, going well? That's nice.

9:37 PM

Rather aimless, atm. Need to start looking for PhD options, need to give GRE.. So much to do that I'd rather take a nap..

@Gilles Strictly speaking, he seems to play a flamethrower with strings.

@muru Hey, you sound like me!

@FaheemMitha Rory Allsop? Name sounds familiar. Is he a Debian dev or something?

@muru No but he's ubiquitous on SE.

@muru No, but he's a mod on 7 sites, so you've probably run into him.

9:38 PM

@muru Rory Alsop is a mod on about half the SE sites

I'm not sure about 7. That's just an approximate number.

Given I visit so few, it's unlikely, but possible.

Well, he's active on sites he's not a mod in too. He's got one of the longer tails around.

stackexchange.com/users/251740/rory-alsop

Ah.

9:41 PM

@terdon I want one of those too! >:-)

@FaheemMitha that a good thing or a bad thing? Presumably good. :D

It does look cool. I was looking at his band's website and they had a video there. He seems to have rigged some sort of pipe that spews out flammable gas.

@muru Neither, really. Just an observation. So you don't know WYSIWYG then?

Random observation of the day: There is a surprising amount of DWJ fanfic on the net. Though of course it doesn't compare with HP.

@FaheemMitha nope.

What's DWJ?

Ok. Not a lot of Indians around here, really.

9:44 PM

@FaheemMitha O_o In India? I thought There were a billion of you lot!

>:-) Better define "here"! :P

@Fabby SE. Naturally.

And it's 1.2 billion. Unfortunately.

@FaheemMitha Why. More women to choose from

@CodeMed o/

@FaheemMitha stackexchange.com/users/1212053/manishearth was a student at IITB. Never knew him personally, though.

Faheem is not very fond of Indians.

You might have come across him

9:47 PM

@terdon :D :D :D

@terdon Indians are not very fond of Indians.

@CodeMed: I don't have CentOS, but Ubuntu...

@terdon Not a big fan in general, no.

so your exact commands may vary...

@muru I think most of us are not too fond of our fellow countrymen.

9:47 PM

@muru I don't believe so.

@terdon I actually like Vorlons!

There you go then, I always suspected you weren't a real Vorlon!

@Fabby that's like saying "I like humans". :P

@CodeMed: shy???

Just butt in!

@muru But how did you know he was a student at IITB then?

9:48 PM

@Fabby Let the lurkers lurk. No need to talk if they don't want to.

@Fabby i am concerned our conversation will get lost in all this noise. i just want to learn the dd syntax

Oh, his github account says so.

He has a problem with dd

dangerous disks

@FaheemMitha facebook friends once removed. And he gave a prep talk on preparing for GSOC which I attended

@muru Ah, ok.

9:49 PM

@CodeMed Private room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/29690/room-for-fabby-and-codemed

Manish Goregaokar. Hmm. No, doesn't ring a bell. What is he doing now?

One of my most BOFH moments was seeing a trick he posted and blocking it. :D

@CodeMed We're going to need a bit more detail than that. You might also be better off posting a question on the main site.

@FaheemMitha MS, I think

@muru Not IITB then.

9:51 PM

@CodeMed don't bother, dd has very little use

@FaheemMitha graduated

now working

MS as in M$. :D

@muru Right, so MS somewhere else. Do most IITians still go to the US?

@muru Oh. those people. :-(

Yep. Still active for Mozilla, apparently, so not a total loss.

Ah, not yet graduated. Got a pre-placement offer.

Based on his blog, he knows Unix, so it's a bit shameful.

But hey, in India money is holy.

Laxmi is India's one true god. Or goddess.

Indeed.

9:55 PM

@muru just a quick question. What sort of math/stat background does IIT force into its grads these days?

Or, maybe not such a quick question. If so, please ignore.

@FaheemMitha I'm not a TA, and haven't kept in touch with UGs. Back when I was in Guwahati, little to no stats, but some rather abstract analysis in maths.

Useful stuff like linear algebra were electives

Ok.

India doesn't seem to do stat much. AFAICT.

You'd be hard pressed to find people who know the difference between the averages, let alone stat.

Judging from his blog, Manish seems like a happening dude.

Are the IIT people like that then, or is he exceptional?

@FaheemMitha exceptional. one guy in 50 is like that. Usually one or two every batch.

10:00 PM

@muru ok

How big is a batch?

Over the last 4 years or so, there are ~100 UG students in CS each year

The alarm clock post is quite funny.

@muru So 100 is a batch?

We can reply to ourselves? O.o

@muru I'm using an extension. Otherwise, no. And that was an accident, of course.

Around that, and increasing.

10:01 PM

Ok

That's my quota for the day on AU. Now onto U&L.

Can someone approve this???

approved. probably need one more vote

@Fabby Approved, but should he put it in a comment then?

no, it's all in chat...

I don't like dd commands to be in the wild...

too many disks have been destroyed that way

I'll edit my answer afterwards...

(and thanks)

10:08 PM

@CodeMed why are you looking for an .iso? You won't find one on the DVD. You should just add your DVD drive to the virtual machine and tell it to boot from that.

10:20 PM

Looks like Jon is helping out on AU.

Dammit. I didn't think through either. People are also going to suggest edits.

That's two queues affected in turn.

@muru Jon? Skeet?

Ericson, the dev

Does AU have big queues now?

~4400 posts

I think more than any other site.

@muru SU has even more and SF is a close third

SO probably had more but the queue went down very quickly

10:37 PM

@Gilles SU figures.

@Gilles meta.stackexchange.com/questions/267081/… was posted soon after, and then it was 1.3k on so

*1.5k

I'm curious: why aren't you a mod here, Gilles?

6.1k on SU? :O

@muru because I didn't want to be the biggest answerer and the biggest editor and a mod too

(at least I've done the most retags, I think not the most body edits)

Fair enough.

@muru and flag stuff...

11:14 PM

@Gilles: why?

11:46 PM

@Fabby because dd is slower and harder to use

why use dd instead of cat?

11:58 PM

@Gilles I dunno! That's why I asked! Merci beaucoup for the info! ;-)

(Is ddrescue still allowed???) ;-) :P

Does cat copy the mbr as well???

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