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user161117
1:07 PM
@k-- Yeah any time, there's a lot of stuff that you can't fully appreciate without understanding calculus and linear algebra. These are fundamental to understanding so many things, and they come together in some kind of expected and unexpected ways.
 
user161117
@skillpatrol is that you on Open Study right now?
 
@StevenGrigsby Yep, I thought I recognized you from there :-)
 
user161117
Yeah I think I saw you in hack.chat a while back and said something but I don't really know you and I rarely come on these sites since there's such a lack of discussion by design haha
 
user161117
1:23 PM
I am kinda thinking about your question about the best way to study math on the internet at the moment because I think it's a good question and I have a lot of feelings about it, I'm totally opposed to these stack exchange sites for learning in general unfortunately haha
 
I'm skeptical also.
 
user161117
There always seems to be a political and elitist atmosphere around them, maybe that's just me feeling that I don't know
 
user161117
I really think the quality of this site would be greatly improved if the answers and questions were completely anonymous
 
perhaps
 
user161117
Well I mean a lot would have to change so I guess it's not really a comparable idea
 
1:27 PM
watching it "evolve" will be interesting...
 
user161117
I guess the whole idea of all these smart people really just doing it for the eCookies really bugs me, the motivation just seems so drained, not to say there aren't a lot of great people it's just something about it all rubs me the wrong way, it's like the site is about asking and answering questions but it sorta misses something
 
user161117
I mean what do you feel about all this, actually do you know Swiss girl, uhhh Rachel? I think she mentioned you one time, she's a really good friend of mine and she used to go on MSE chat often I think, maybe she's a liar haha
 
I don't recall the username off hand.
 
user161117
she's like this canadian jew, talks about israel being the best place ever all the time
 
user161117
well also has a math degree I think
 
user161117
1:30 PM
yeah I don't know the way the user names work here is kind of weird so w/e at any rate what made you ask that question?
 
Openstudy is a strange environment to learn math imo
 
user161117
I agree I don't like it either haha
 
user161117
I think the only reason I like it is there aren't very strongly enforced rules so this sort of pack of smart kids has sorta appeared on there that kind of just makes up their own stuff and really latches on to the people who want to learn and is very encouraging and easy to become a part of. They welcome creative thinking for the most part and discussion, which are pretty important aspects.
 
user161117
But for the most part the people there aren't there because they want to learn, they're there because they have to learn. I see it as a way to save some people and show them, "Hey, math can be fun and it's worth your time." I am sorta thinking about Lockhart's Lament if you've read it.
 
I have read it.
I respect that this is a chemistry room.
 
user161117
1:41 PM
Do you have an ideal concept for learning on the internet? Also fair enough haha, but I guess I don't see what harm this causes
 
I do.
14 mins ago, by skill patrol
watching it "evolve" will be interesting...
Perhaps we can talk some other time and place :-)
later pal
 
user161117
haha alright
 
Jan
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Backstabbing is always fun, unless you're the one being backstabbed. xD
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Bad Wikipedia! Bad!
Also hello @everyone o/ Just skimmed through the transcript in case I missed anything of importance.
 
user161117
2:01 PM
We discussed the meaning of life
 
user161117
and then we actually discovered it
 
user161117
so yeah it's all down hill from here
 
user161117
:'(
 
Jan
It's been known for like thirty years or what.
 
user161117
At any rate, what sorta stuff are you up to, doing ab-initio homologations of non-classical ions in neat solution, while being sure to keep the temperature low to prevent cross-coupling Suzuki mechanisms from occurring and spoiling the product?
 
Jan
2:04 PM
It's a Monty Python movie!
 
user161117
noooo you're thinking of a specific dude
 
Jan
Atm I'm upto going back home xD
 
user161117
No I'm brian
 
user161117
niiiice
 
Jan
I'm Brian! But my hypothetical girlfriend is also Brian!
 
user161117
2:04 PM
lol
 
user161117
you're reminding me I really have been wanting to watch the holy grail again
 
user161117
such a classic
 
Jan
And also my laptop's battery will be dying soon … but that's okay because my train leaves at :26; plus walking down to the station (~5 mins) so I should be leaving soon.
Let's call it a draw!
 
user161117
I'll bite ya legs off!
 
Jan
I'll run away first, though xD See ya later!
 
user161117
2:10 PM
haha alright. Hey backwards name guy how was judo or karate or whatevs
 
3:34 PM
@StevenGrigsby That wasn't me.
 
user161117
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
K I'm leaving for kung fu class, don't make much of a mess while I'm gone.
 
user161117
someone hacked ur account man
 
Kung fu ≠ Karate
 
"or whatevs"
 
@StevenGrigsby BTW right click on the down arrow located at the left of each chat message when you hover over it. It's a link of the message and will one-box in chat:
@skillpatrol or whatevs ≠ Kung fu
 
user161117
3:40 PM
stop telling me how to live my life
 
I'm trying to help you use this frigging chat.
41 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@StevenGrigsby BTW right click on the down arrow located at the left of each chat message when you hover over it. It's a link of the message and will one-box in chat:
 
user161117
I don't want to use this chat correctly
 
Why did I even bother . . .
 
user161117
I don't know, it's not welcome
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M why do you insist on taking everything so "literally"
 
3:41 PM
@skillpatrol You definitely aren't familiar with my sense of humor.
 
user161117
I don't know what form of back pedaling this is
 
ok
nvm
 
user161117
haha hey you tried at least
 
@StevenGrigsby Not everyone who's lending you a hand shouts at you "you're an idiot".
I'm trying to help.
 
user161117
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
 
3:43 PM
I don't mean that "you're a n00b" or whatever.
 
user161117
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
 
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
 
user161117
Are you trolling me
 
user161117
be honest with me
 
I. Am. Honest. With. You.
Sheesh.
 
user161117
3:44 PM
well stop
 
I was here before you were.
 
user161117
start trolling me
 
user161117
You were here before I was?
 
Wait, how do you troll?
 
user161117
3:44 PM
hahahaha
 
user161117
Dude, DUDE
 
Dudine, DUDINE
 
user161117
I like wanna shake you
 
user161117
I'm laughing I can't handle this
 
Don't. My leg hurts.
 
user161117
3:48 PM
Ok kid who was here first, let's talk about aromatics! :D
 
user161117
I wanna learn
 
Aromatic compounds stink.
 
user161117
well, maybe I should say 'aromatics' since maybe it's debatable whether or not bucky's balls are aromatics
 
No really.
 
user161117
Not really.
 
3:49 PM
Note really.
 
user161117
Haha are you sure, every aromatic compound stinks?
 
user161117
What does a buckyball smell like
 
user161117
that's all we have to do to determine if it's aromatic right
 
No, they say the number of es in the pi system should be 2n^2 + 2n + 1 where n is an integer.
 
user161117
Oh, how come?
 
3:52 PM
Wha, what is Mobius-Huckel?
 
user161117
Yeah how did they derive that number?
 
@StevenGrigsby The same way Huckel calculated 4n+2.
 
user161117
Oh, I can calculate 4n+2
 
user161117
but I've not seen 2n^2+2n+1
 
Yeah, 4n+2 = 2+4n.
In organic chemistry, Hückel's rule estimates whether a planar ring molecule will have aromatic properties. The quantum mechanical basis for its formulation was first worked out by physical chemist Erich Hückel in 1931. The succinct expression as the 4n+2 rule has been attributed to von Doering (1951), although several authors were using this form at around the same time. A cyclic ring molecule follows Hückel's rule when the number of its π-electrons equals 4n+2 where n is zero or any positive integer, although clearcut examples are really only established for values of n = 0 up to about n = 6...
 
user161117
3:53 PM
great the commutative property of addition
 
user161117
haha
 
user161117
no I'm asking you not wiki
 
My source is Wikipedia, so!
 
user161117
I know how to derive the 4n+2 rule from solving the TISE for a particle on a ring
 
user161117
I can teach you if you like
 
user161117
3:54 PM
I'm curious how to find that other rule with the quadratic term
 
Eh? ! But don't expect me to understand. ಠ_ಠ
Oh @pH13 it's been some time since the last ಠ_ಠ party.
 
user161117
well how much calculus do you know
 
user161117
and how much time do you have
 
How much should I know?
 
user161117
lol
 
user161117
3:56 PM
I don't know, a bunch?
 
Well we're gonna study it this year in school, but I know the basics of integration and derivatives.
 
user161117
can you integrate, can you differentiate, can you solve a differential equation do you know what a laplacian is
 
Is laplacian some kinda Italian pizza?
 
user161117
ok just give me a simple one sentence explanation of what a derivative and integral are, like try to be more physical than mathematical in your description
 
user161117
and then we can continue with finding energy eigenstates of the hamiltonian whoo
 
3:58 PM
eigen values?
No thanks.
Wait for some months.
 
user161117
hey if you wanna be a quitter that's cool w/ me
 
user161117
I don't think there's anything you can't learn at least intuitively or that would somehow hurt to hear about first
 
Not a quitter.
But I already have enough things to boil my head with.
 

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