The 2nd Monitor

EBrown

6:02 PM

I wish you could super-/sub-script in VS.

Caridorc

hi

Ismael Miguel

Greetings

Caridorc

In your opinion, if the OP says "without using any Python built-in function" what does he really mean?

Everything is a built-in function in Python, even adding two numbers :O

Ismael Miguel

reinventing-the-wheel

Caridorc

I know, but to what extent?

Ismael Miguel

6:08 PM

As deep as possible?

The best is just to ask the O.P.

Caridorc

Yeah, let me invite him in chat

Ismael Miguel

Some might not be happy with that

You can invite him to a room you create for him

Dan Lyons

@Caridorc he means it's a homework question or a take-home interview question, but most likely the former

Caridorc

@DanLyons i created a room and invited him there

Vogel612

@IsmaelMiguel we had that discussion... back then...

on a related note I should wait for onload anyways, just to be sure the "library" is loaded.

Hosch250

6:15 PM

It would be perfectly fine to invite him here.

Jeroen Vannevel

This chatroom's main purpose is exactly inviting people here to talk about site business

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move the discussion here instead of a separate channel

There are mods here

EBrown

@JeroenVannevel Indeed. Starred so you-know-who can see it.

Phrancis

You forgot star-cap in chat! — Mat's Mug Dec 23 '13 at 13:09

How did I know that was going to be someone from here before even looking at who it was :)

Ismael Miguel

@Vogel612 "we" be who?

Vogel612

we smashed each other's heads a while back

Ismael Miguel

6:18 PM

I vaguelly remember that.

Vogel612

@EBrown stop bringing this up. You have been warned multiple times

Caridorc

@Rakesh Ranjan Sukla Could you please join this room and talk about your requirements?

Ismael Miguel

I remember it was a general discussion

Caridorc

Invited him here

Hosch250

@Caridorc This isn't pinging him.

Vogel612

6:19 PM

@Caridorc it doesn't really work that way

a mod could do that..

Hosch250

You have to leave a comment in his post.

Caridorc

lol, thanks for telling me.

EBrown

@Vogel612 That's actually false, but OK.

Vogel612

@EBrown it has been the topic multiple times and nobody wants it repeated..

Simon Forsberg

@Vogel612 a mod could, but a mod doesn't :)

leave a comment, that's often better when possible.

EBrown

6:21 PM

@Vogel612 Well when something very important is said by someone, and other members cannot see it (for whatever reason), it seems that the rest of us should do our best to make sure that the particular comment is seen by those who cannot (for whatever reason) see it.

Simon Forsberg

what question are we talking about btw?

EBrown

Especially when that comment is (and should be) directly mentioned to the person who cannot see it (for whatever reason) because it's directly pertinent to them.

Simon Forsberg

@EBrown nothing wrong with starring it, but saying "so you-know-who can see it" is unnecessary.

EBrown

So that, in the future, we have less of these issues.

Hosch250

BTW, that comment should be pinned, not starred.

Caridorc

6:22 PM

@SimonForsberg you mean not using built-ins?

Simon Forsberg

@Caridorc exactly

Caridorc

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Q: Takes in two sorted lists and outputs a sorted list that is their union

Write a function that takes in two sorted lists and outputs a sorted list that is their union Could anyone help me to improve this code and make it more user-friendly? We are not supposed to use any built-in Python functions, but rather develop our own efficient algorithms. def answer(lis...

This

Already has many answers but I curious about the requirements

Simon Forsberg

> Write a function that takes in two sorted lists and outputs a sorted list that is their union

I expect the only requirement is to not use any built-in functions for sorting and merging lists.

OP, and heck, even the one who gave the assignment, is probably not aware that using + in Python is technically a built-in function.

Caridorc

@SimonForsberg that is reasonable

But my solution was contested for using +

Simon Forsberg

who contested it?

Caridorc

6:25 PM

(and sorted but I understand complains about the latter)

itsbruce

@Caridorc Sounds like pure pedantry on the complainant's side

Simon Forsberg

hmm, I see...

Caridorc

@SimonForsberg The OP and Boris The Spider

Simon Forsberg

you used + to merge the lists. that goes against the requirements as I see it.

I think you're giving too much weight to the use of the word "any" in the problem description.

Caridorc

@SimonForsberg this code also uses + paste.ofcode.org/NjJQqsNmXUURF6vzqF3gu3

but otherwise it is a literal translation of wikipedia's pseudocode

Zak

6:27 PM

perhaps the uestion could be reworded to "any built-in sorting/nmerging functions"

itsbruce

I think + is fine but sorted not. Latter is at best a loophole.

Caridorc

@Zak that would be much more reasonable

Simon Forsberg

@BoristheSpider Sorting a list composed of two increasing sequences is optimized and runs in O(N) time complexity. — Caridorc 7 hours ago

Captain Obvious

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Q: How to improve my render method

Hoi The code works fine but... guess what... the fps are constant at 8. Today i fixed some pieces and got awsome 4 more fps... so 12-13 in total. Also i figured out that the typecasting (int) and Math.floor() consume around 50 fps. So if you guys have a idea to improve the code or need to see o...

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Caridorc

6:28 PM

@itsbruce I agree that sorted makes it a bit too easy

Simon Forsberg

does Python really have built-in optimizations for this?

We are not supposed to use sort and '+' functions here. But thanks for your answer. — Rakesh Ranjan Sukla 53 mins ago

this seems to be the requirements ^^

itsbruce

Python has built in optimations for kitchen sinks

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Zak

@itsbruce TS

Ismael Miguel

@Zak RSA

Caridorc

@SimonForsberg Yes, see Timsort: c2.com/cgi/wiki?TimSort

Ismael Miguel

6:30 PM

@itsbruce Does it have for toasts and pizzas as well? I always burn mine.

Caridorc

@IsmaelMiguel Another fun piece of trivia. 10**10 in range(1, 10**20) runs in a millisecond

go figure

itsbruce

@IsmaelMiguel Yes, but the behaviour when there is only one slice of toast may be entirely different from any number larger than 1

A Red Herring

@itsbruce starred for out-of-context

Simon Forsberg

@CommitStrip good one

Hosch250

commitstrip.com/en/2015/09/07/…

That is FUNNY.

Mat's Mug

6:35 PM

^^ I cried

Phrancis

What's debug mode? :x

Ismael Miguel

@itsbruce I always burn them in pairs

Hosch250

Debug mode is not release mode.

It usually has more intense logging.

Duga

I think I say you post on codereview with this same game, keep the game logic layer separate from the UI layer and you can just substitute the UI you previously had for the new GUI. I think you can use openGL from PyGame too if you need. — shuttle87 9 secs ago

Hosch250

And often times code that is for testing purposes.

Simon Forsberg

6:37 PM

or usage of features which is not meant to be used in production

Phrancis

Ah ok

itsbruce

@SimonForsberg I hate that last habit in developers

Hosch250

It is basically developers mode, not end users mode.

itsbruce

Code should not have special cases for debug. Configuration should.

Hosch250

It is going on 2 PM. I should have lunch.

Simon Forsberg

6:38 PM

@Phrancis Imagine if I would add some cheats to Cardshifter, just for the sake of being able to debug faster. This could be used as a "debug-mode" only feature. Now imagine what would happen if the game would be fully released with this feature enabled :)

Caridorc

@Hosh250 2 pm? We are 8 or 16 hours distant! (10.40 here)

Phrancis

@SimonForsberg LOL ok. Now the comic is alot funnier!

Mat's Mug

@SimonForsberg iddqd

Jeroen Vannevel

and debug mode is unoptimized. Big-o difference-o

(assuming VS release profiles)

itsbruce

Debug mode may mean you turn on every feature at once, even though in production you'll do that only in stages at planned dates.

But I don't like my devs to think that way

Simon Forsberg

6:42 PM

@Mat'sMug iddqd?

itsbruce

I like them to think their code will go into production, as-is, tomorrow

Mat's Mug

@SimonForsberg google.ca/…

Zak

it's about time I went back and read all the Commit Strips from the start

Mat's Mug

> KEEP CALM and iddqd

toggles God-mode in the original DOOM game

Simon Forsberg

well that shows how much DOOM I've been playing

Caridorc

6:44 PM

bye, see you later

itsbruce

commitstrip.com/en/2015/09

Duga

I'd add the code and post it to CodeReview instead. — Mikko Viitala 59 secs ago

Mat's Mug

oh gosh. I created a WB account - worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/a/25273/13396

itsbruce

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A: Front end written in languages used for back end!

You have confused the terms "front-end" and "back-end" with "server-side" and "client-side". "Back-end" usually refers to systems which are not directly exposed to the user (database servers, middleware and so on), while "front-end" usually refers to the application (in the case of the Web, this...

I wonder if anybody has done a front-end/back-end version of "The Modern Hiawatha"

Mat's Mug

+1 for

> And if you ever find anybody creating a browser that executes PHP client-side, shoot them.

Ismael Miguel

6:51 PM

@Mat'sMug That already exists. It doesn't run PHP per-see. It's a polyglot mix of PHP syntax on Javascript

How can I explain...

Mat's Mug

has the author been shot yet?

Ismael Miguel

No!

Am I shot?

Nope

Has the authors of phpjs been shot?

Nope

EBrown

Oh man this didn't work at all.

Phrancis

Share some cross-network <3 for SU answer

itsbruce

And then there was the unfortunately titled BrowseX

Which supported client-side tcl

Ismael Miguel

6:54 PM

Sounds....great!

itsbruce

Written in Tk, of course

Ismael Miguel

There is IE, which support(ed?) VBScript

But anyway, TTGH!

Mat's Mug

~~VBScript 4Evah!~~

TopinFrassi

About to make my first presentation to my new team for the first architecture modeling of my internship, I'm little anxious!

EBrown

So this is bad.

TopinFrassi

6:56 PM

Well, I think it's good, but eh, I'm a student :p

itsbruce

I once had the misfortune to have a Java dev on my team who wrote tests by copying and pasting his code into the tests. He could never understand why that was wrong. "But if it works, it must be good!".

Asked him where he saw himself in 5 years. "Software architect."

Mat's Mug

@itsbruce 5 years later, he's flipping burgers where you pick up your lunch? :)

Patient: it hurts when I do this. Doctor: then don't do this. — Mat's Mug 6 secs ago

itsbruce

I think he's working for Accenture now.

EBrown

This is horrible...lol

Hosch250

@Mods You are faster than the Programmers mods.

EBrown

7:10 PM