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5:03 PM
Hey @Oak -- did you see you have a 1 rep imposter sharing your name?
 
@RavenDreamer an 11 rep "imposter"
(Just because you share usernames doesn't mean you are one)
 
@badp There can be only one!
 
heh.
But seriously, how are we going to resolve this game-rec poll mess?
 
BTW his question is a dupe.
 
I'm considering looking for Jeff and asking his opinion since he usually has some pretty good advice and has experience handling drama like this
but like...idk. I'm really not sure how to move on from here.
I agree with @Grace that the policies she closed were bad and had no place whatsoever in that poll. At the same time, though, I don't think we can simply call all the users who voted for it ignorant since we let that option grow up with many upvotes before nuking it from orbit, which may have convinced users that we were accepting that option.
 
5:18 PM
we should start nuking anything game-rec or identify-this-game and then see where our traffic goes
if it doesn't go down, voila problem solved!
 
I think more than a few people might have problems with that solution @Ivo. :)
 
The only policy that makes everyone happy is the policy nobody needed in the first place.
 
which is...?
 
@Mana I was talking in general.
 
huh?
oh
hm.
 
5:30 PM
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Q: rounding of "hotness" points is inconsistent

Andy E's headOn the Stack Exchange homepage, hotness points are rounded appropriately, but in the super multi collider whatsit thingy, they're always rounded down. In that example, the question has 151.966 hotness points

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Q: How can I get rid of hackers in Halo 1 PC?

UnKnownI've played Halo 1 PC for a while now. I enjoy playing in the CTF and Slayer using the internet. But I've been getting frustrated about people using hacks to kill people easily, or using the hack that makes people shot the head easier. Even more frustrated when someone uses a hack that makes eve...

 
Why is, every time my name is mentioned, it something about me complaining or arguing?
I strongly oppose that!
 
:( Arda....
@Arda Stop strongly opposing that. :/
 
@badp You're right, but they didn't know that and we didn't make sure they would know that so they get screwed. Had we been honest with them up front there would have been no need. Then again there probably was no need for the poll in the first place
 
@tzenes Eh, there were links and encouragments to essays and threads. Obviously it was all tl;dr
 
@Mana You agree with me.
 
5:40 PM
@ArdaXi Are you or are you not a torch and pitchfork boy?
 
I might not be...
 
What I need to do is speak to @grace
unfortunately I haven' been able to get ahold of her
 
Hello, @tzenes, hello everyone else again.
 
or him I'm so confused about gender now
 
A new Civ V patch just rolled out.
 
5:42 PM
Hey @Raven. I saw!
I'll wait for Fabian to edit his answer for a week or so. If he doesn't show up I'll edit it with a pointer to your answer for updated info.
 
I'm trying to figure out which Civ V questions need to be updated with newer, more correct answers.
 
yeah, there's a lot to sift through.
 
@Raven Hi
 
@badp I don't think everything was tl;dr. I think many just came to the conclusion based on the upvotes on that answer that after everything in the essays and threads was said and done, the removed policy was still an okay option for reasons they might have missed.
 
5:46 PM
@Mana I don't mind hurting a couple users feelings if it's for a greater good
even if they don't see it that way
I've had my share of that on SU already
 
@Ivo we're not talking about a couple users here
and we're not talking about hurting just them
 
yes we are
 
well I'm not
I guess you can talk about something else if you desire
 
you think banning shopping advice, web apps or gaming on SU only affected 'a couple of users'
 
I'm talking about undermining faith in the system
I know game-rec is bad, I'm the last person you have to convince there
 
5:48 PM
anyway dinner time, feel free to keep discussing :)
voila, so we should just do it
 
I'm fine with that
I'm just not fine with a rigged poll
 
I'm just not fine with broken windows
 
@Mana I'll go through my answers and edit them myself.
 
@Fabian yay!!!
hi-fives
 
Then put up a poll with two options: game-rec yes and game-rec no
 
5:50 PM
Our main Civ 5 answerers are all very active people, we should be able to quickly update the relevant answers
 
there are a million solutions to this answer that don't screw over people
 
@tzenes We may decide to do so, next time.
 
Awesome, glad to hear that. :)
 
Yup.
High fives to @Fabian
 
What are you going to write on the homepage? "SORRY WE ARE MORONS AND DECIDED TO DISCARD ALL YOUR VOTES PLEASE VOTE AGAIN HERE"
 
5:51 PM
Probably the same thing we put on withdrawing that post
the banner will remain the same and link to something new
 
Here's a question to the room at large -- I've got some sort of smudge on my LED Flatscreen. What's the best way to go about cleaning that?
 
Hi, I just want to point you guy how those in the boardgames stackexchange site handle the vote for the game-recommendations issue : meta.boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/298/…
 
@RavenDreamer Fire. Clean it with fire.
 
@DavRob60 Hi
 
Thanks @Dav!
 
5:53 PM
@Mana you are welcome
 
wow, its almost like they spent 5 seconds of planning and said: you have two options - go
shocking how we couldn't manage that
also not shocking: game-rec is winning
 
Wow... I was about to post a comment on my own answer correcting myself. I need to learn to look at who wrote the answer before I jump into "must account for inaccuracy" mode.
 
Never: +67
Always: +36
(tl;dr: +66)
 
unless the sometimes would have gone for always if it was the higher option...
they didn't bother to understand the poll, so what are the odds they didn't bother to upvote more than one
 
I almost think that without the penalty to rep involved with downvoting, downvoting is pretty much useless on the meta sites.
 
5:59 PM
@tzenes Out of curiosity, if we ran a vote with just no game-rec and all game-rec and game-rec won, would you be as vocal against game-rec or would you accept it as a necessary evil?
 
I would probably just leave the site
 
oh.
...oh.
..........:(
 
If that much value was going to be placed on something that is little more than an opinion, I'd look else where to a place where value was placed on data and research
 
Yeah, I agree.
 
Wouldn't that be throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater?
 
6:02 PM
I don't think I would leave the site but I wouldn't bother with answering non-game-rec questions anymore.
 
Boardgames have much less traffic than gaming. the question was viewed 232 times, but they hit the sames issues than us. also note than on the 387 question of the site, the is 48 tagged "recommendations" they not all fall under the same game rec cat that on gaming, but this is a big %r of their questions....
 
Bwahaha... I love this patch note: "New "Angry Genghis" loading screen (replaces the "fluffy-bunny Genghis" loading screen)."
 
@Dav Yeah, rec questions always take up a large portion of the site it seems. On Web Apps it was the same I remember with web-app-rec
 
got to go
 
Cheers, thanks again for the link mate!
 
6:06 PM
@Brant Brant it means something when you let your site have lolcat pictures on it. It says, this is a site where we don't take ourselves seriously. And that's fine, there can be tons of sites like that, but I want a site which does take itself seriously. I come to gaming.se for that site. If it isn't going to be that site then I'll fill that need elsewhere
 
@Oak it's you!!
 
the site should be about helping gamers with a game, not helping gamers find a game
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but I would simply ignore those questions, much easier
 
jk welcome to the site @Oak. Although I'm not sure which one I'm pinging right now. Both I guess.
 
@tzenes OK, fair enough.
 
Oak
Well, not me. Guess I better find a new name for this SE.
 
6:09 PM
@Oak heh.
You share a name with one of our mods, so it's just kind of amusing.
 
Why is Ivo's name Blue?
Everyone else is black.
 
He's a meta-mod.
 
I remember this was explained and I forgot why
ohh
right.
 
What's that?
 
A mod on meta
Though it sounds much cooler. I bet Ivo's a superhero IRL.
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6:10 PM
Meta SO?
 
I thought blue names in chat meant the person was a ♦Moderator somewhere on stackexchange, while italic names were chat moderators
 
Oak
hmm, I tried to change my name
maybe it takes time
 
@Brant Yeah, it does, except 'chat moderator' is 'room owner'.
 
ah, gotcha.
 
Maybe. For now I'll have to settle for getting your attention by shouting and waving.
 
6:14 PM
I've changed my Civ 5 answers, if I missed any just remind me
 
That was fast O_o
 
@Brant ...and room owners have limited access (can't tamper with messages, for one thing.)
 
For a second, I thought my monitor was dying.
 
Yo @bwarner, @Dav.
 
Ha, I take it the Civ 5 patch was released.
 
6:19 PM
@Brant Hrm, that's kinda reversed for me.
 
@Brant "Why are my maps out of order now" is also ignored for me
 
I thought I was going to get to help edit some answers, but it looks like they're all going to be taken care of before I get a chance. =)
@Tzenes Seriously, you'd leave the site completely? Why not just ignore the tag? It would be a shame to lose your contributions in all other aspects just because some people want to vote on which games they like.
 
So, I wanted to explore the possibility of a game-rec reddit. How much control (= moderation) would we have on a user run reddit?
 
@bwarner If game recs are allowed, then reputation basically becomes meaningless. It doesn't have anything to do with how good your answers are or how much you're willing to do research, but instead becomes solely a measure of that one time you said "Portal is pretty cool" on a question which attracted people who also think "hm yeah, Portal was a pretty cool game, let's upvote".
I'm not sure about you but I don't like the idea of putting so much emphasis on so very little content, compared to the answers that will be so much more detailed and yet lack as many upvotes.
It's not really an issue you can just ignore and it's not just some people, either, it'd be a relatively large part of the community.
 
@badp A game-rec subreddit is a pretty sweet idea. I'm not involved in reddit at all, though (don't even have an account there) so I don't really know.
 
6:32 PM
Maybe we could run a private test.
 
@bwarner I want a site that is a certain way, but it would be wrong of me to force you all to make a site that I want. Thus I have two options (ignoring spinning a site myself): 1) Try to find such a site or 2) try to vote for the site to be that way
If option 2 fails, I'm left with option 1
I don't want a site where voting for opinions has the same weight as real discussions of strategy and tactics
thats why I'm here and not on TL
It bares mentioning, I also don't want a site where people get screwed over because we don't agree with them
 
I'm a mod on one of the Trilogy, thus also on Meta.SO. Apparently that made me a mod on stackexchange too @RavenDreamer
 
@IvoFlipse If you associate your chat account with a SE account with mod privs you get mod privs on chat too. Surprising, huh?
 
I'm not a mod on any of the subdomains nor do I have any special abilities on stackexchange.com or area51
 
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dierreHi guys! I'm referring to this flash game: that you can find here. There is a sort of competition in my class on who can do a better score. Rigth now I'm the first but they're getting closer. What I know that they don't know is that if you score a lot of time before kicking zombies' ass you get...

 
6:49 PM
@IvoFlipse SU is an SE site, in other news, so it counts as well.
 
no it's not
there are still differences in the code base too
 
Does it have the Stack Exchangeâ„¢ Genuineâ„¢ dropdown?
 
we only got our chat banner yesterday
and we lack share buttons among other things :P
 
Not all SE sites are equal :)
 
just as SO has that Interesting tab for questions, while the others have to view that manually
 
6:51 PM
SO only has the fuzzy homepage thing, e.g.
AskUbuntu only has a domain name of the newer sites.
Photography only has a photo of the week slot.
Gaming only has self propelled artillery for moderator.
etc.
 
@tzenes your sarcasm seems to be lost on some of the new users.
 
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Q: Game Rec Reddit Experiment (not started yet).

badpThe reddit is gamerec (currently private - I need to go now and want to be around for the first few hours). Posting guidelines. Only game-recs, please, and answers thereof. Moderation guidelines. If you have 5k (?) rep here, you get to have mod there (get in touch.) If a post isn't a game-re...

 
"i would advise Alan Wake as well Since i have no idea what game rec did to africa."
@badp can I pleeeease have mooood :)))
 
haha
did you see my response
 
yeah, it was appropriate
 
6:59 PM
@Mana yes in 1.5k rep
 
@badp :(
 
Sure, I made the 5k rule on the spot, doesn't mean I should bend it before I start applying it.
 
votes up all game-rec proposal
 
haha
 
@Mana Fine, I don't care too much about game-recs tbh
I just want to explore this general direction
 
7:00 PM
@badp no, that's not what I meant. I was getting at gaining the 1.5k rep through game-rec questions.
 
@Mana oh. suckpuppets ftw
 
argh
why did the computer science building decide to have six hours of downtime the day before my computer science exam
whyyyyy
 
@Mana The problem there is that you're studying for your computer science exam. ...I mean, yeah...that is rather unfortunate. :(
 
good time to study @Macha
in books and stuff
 
Think you wanted @Mana there :P
 
7:08 PM
@Ivo that's true but I've already been doing that for the past week, these past two days have been studying up on past exams/midterms, which I need the website to do
 
hoeray for laptops and smartphones :P
 
@Mana When in doubt, the answer is jQuery. </meta meme>
 
@Tim I'll answer you with jQuery. <_< </vaguely qualified threat>
 
Hah :P
 
Top beta user of Atheism proposal #4: Evan Carroll.
Somehow I'm not surprised.
 
7:18 PM
His first question (first on the entire site)? atheist-rec
later
 
later
 
7:36 PM
"Atheism Proposal"?
What is there to ask about?
 
Hey @Gnome.
Apparently, whether or not you fear death.
 
Afternoon @Mana
 
I'd close everything as discussion or argumentative :P
 
Also, I lol'ed.
 
Although judging by the comments from the people who committed to the proposal, there is certainly going to be hatred against non-atheists being subtly thrown about everywhere.
Well, maybe I'm being unfair saying that. I just didn't really like the way the commitment comments were shaping up.
First question I'm asking on meta when it goes public is "Can non-atheists ask and answer questions on this site?"
 
7:40 PM
What about agnostics? Can they post or answer questions? And if they do, are they still considered agnostic?
 
heh
Why does this dequeue method on this exam say "remove object from front of queue"? Aren't objects dequeued from the end?
confuuuuused, and disliking being confused over a simple concept like stacks and queues. :(
 
@Mana Queue's are FIFO (First in first out) think of Dequeue as taking the head off the list en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queue_(data_structure)
 
@Aardvark!!!
HUGS
 
@Mana lol, glad I could help
 
don't leeeeeeave :'(
 
7:47 PM
lol my Q answer wasn't that good, though the pictures helpful :)
 
no I meant don't leave gaming.se
 
aaah, that makes more sense lol
 
game-rec's kind of a mess at the moment but it will be fixed before the new year or maybe shortly after
and then all this drama and debate will be gone
 
lol I don't care about game-rec
 
/r/atheism is much like that :( It's more intolerant than many religious groups. It's embarrassing to me as an atheist. (Sorry for the delayed response :P)
 
7:52 PM
@aardvark: ahh, so the front of the queue is what I thought the back was
whoops
 
You were thinking of a stack, where the last thing added is the first thing out
Queue is like the line to get a movie ticket, the longer you've been there the earlier you get your movie ticket
 
No no, I had the right idea of a queue
 
ah, just reversed enQ and deQ?
 
it's just that when I read "front of the queue" I was thinking that meant the last item added in, so I was confused as to why dequeue was telling me to remove the front of the queue since it should be removing what I thought was considered the "back of the queue"
 
7:54 PM
AH
 
is it me or does he look like a lizard?
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GET IT AWAY
 
enQ -> In queue deQ -> leave queue: The only way out of the Q is through the line... Just so you remember it for the test ;)
 
8:14 PM
I just opened this tab again because it had new messages. I very much regret this.
 
Mark Zuckerberg is staring into your soul.
 
21 mins ago, by Mana
GET IT AWAY
 
8:28 PM
@IvoFlipse I initially read that as "wizard"
 
8:45 PM
well that's partially true perhaps :P
 
:( how many times do I have to say I knew it was FIFO and FILO?
 
didn't bother to scroll up
 
you're all after me, all of yooooou
especially you @Arda stop complaining
 
But... that's all I do.
 
(in case you haven't realized, if I ever need to ping you I'll make sure it has something to do with you complaining so as not to break the trend)
(don't be mad :()
 
8:52 PM
look, @mana, it's really simple. Stacks are first-in, first-out. Queues are first-in, last out. I don't know why this is so hard for you
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Hrm, Revenge of the Titans is just your run-off-the-mill tower defence game.
 
:)
 
@sjohnston Thank you.
 
It has been a long time since a tower defense game has looked even remotely interesting to me. The whole idea just seems exploited to death.
 
(Don't mangle the time thingy please chat)
 
8:54 PM
@ArdaXi Seemed fine to me. I watched it at work without sound and still caught the joke
 
Most people here should've at least read or seen the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
 
Reading and seeing HGttG are very different things.
 
@sjohnston Exactly
@sjohnston True, but the line is the same.
 
oh hi
I didn't get quite as many angry flames as I'd expect
 
gets out the torch and pitchfork
What for?
 
9:01 PM
Did Alan Rickman voice Marvin in that movie?
 
@badp
 
@Mana That's a kissing flame, not an angry flame
So, I want to make a quick private beta of the game rec reddit, between the few of us chatters, just to see how it'd work out.
 
@badp Awesome. Can I be mod?
 
@badp Oh?
 
@Mana Sure, with 1.5k more rep.
@ArdaXi Yes, and since you have 5k you('ll) get to be mod.
 
9:03 PM
that's .2k more rep than before YOUR STATS ARE WRONG MY FRIEND
 
@badp Yay :D
 
@Mana Sorry, I cached the wrong value.
So, let me figure out how the hell inviting people works
 
@badp I'll cache your value.
And it'll be very wrong, indeed.
 
@Mana Thank you, so you don't have to call me all the time.
Guys, give me your reddit usernames
 
@badp there's absolutely nothing wrong with calling people who complain like @ArdaXi.
SecretofMana.
 
9:05 PM
@Mana added
 
hurray
do I get a badge for that
 
@Mana Yes: "approved submitter" (on gamerec)
 
sweeeet
 
@badp arienh4 I think
Yep.
 
@ArdaXi added.
 
9:08 PM
I have a reddit account, but I've hardly used it
 
Same here.
That obviously makes us perfect moderators.
 
obviously
 
@badp so like...when you say games like Half-Minute Hero, do you mean games with fast-paced frenetic shooting action?
 
@Mana Hrm. Good point. Commenting. I guess you'd have to put them at the same level as answers...
 
you're a horrible game-rec-er and a horrible person.
 
9:12 PM
@Mana I strive to please.
Certainly, being unable to edit details in isn't very pleasant.
 
@Mana That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Sure, I'll grant you horrible person, but horrible game-rec-er? That's just over the line.
 
@Mana Besides, Arda put a nice checkmark near my post.
 
Hu, what, where?
So that's what that does.
 
@ArdaXi Yeah, not sure what that'd change either.
Maybe a "good thread" marker?
"Hey, this game rec doesn't totally suck man!"
 
You're probably right.
 
9:15 PM
@Mana try the upvoting button.
 
oh ja, that's a good one.
 
There's no reputation at stake after all... you get to be honest :P
 
mehnyways brb
 
Hmm, so, as a mod, I could also do this
woops, I accidentally hiddened it :S
 
@ArdaXi ... lol you made me click that button too
there's an unhide button.
 
9:18 PM
Answered the tron one.
Unhide hides it
mind = blown
No blatant plagiarism there.
 
@ArdaXi Kinda worried -- I can't see your reply.
I had to sort by new
 
I distinguished my comment. I feel special.
 
Wait, you seriously closed the game rec question as subjective argumentative?
AWESOME
why couldn't I be around for that?
 
:|
@CRoss 2 votes till it is reopened ;)
 
vote to re-open to vote to close
 
9:26 PM
@ArdaXi um, no
 
Okay, so mods and admins do not have that much control.
So there's not much control to master.
 
also, this is hilarious
 
So we can proceed right ahead with a public beta.
 
@badp Don't you need 6-8 weeks?
 
@CRoss For the public beta, definitely.
I was looking at the way I could fuc-- er moderate posts in the "private" beta, turns out there are very few buttons.
 
9:35 PM
Can I get something in that game-rec reddit :P (MachaHack is my account)
 
@Macha It's public now. Post away.
 
We should get reddit.gaming.stackexchange.com
 
:(
Just got humble bundle. Braid not working for me :(
 
Works fine here. What's the problem?
 
./braid -windowed (12-15 21:32)
Game Startup Error: Unable to set up graphics.
Reason: Missing required OpenGL extension.
 
9:39 PM
odd
 
Using the ati drivers.
Grr... Needs the catalyst drivers. They lag so horribly much on my laptop now.
Guess it's windows to play braid then
Got it to the menus by a tip on the internet. Segfaults in under a minute :(
 
@Macha Maybe the required extension was missing after all :)
The Linux port of Braid was released with the bundle, so it's fair to expect some roughness I'm afraid.
 
The tip was to change a enable s3tc in your graphics driver's settings
 
9:56 PM
I found the secret to making every cutscene in Dead Rising 2 hilarious: making my character wear a frilly hat, a bra and short shorts
the best is the making a new weapon scene
which I can't find a clip of anywhere argh
I guess I'll have to bust open FRAPS and do it myself
 

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