What is karmabot

It will be the bot that records our chat points

What?

@TrevorClarke explanation

Have u made it?

@TrevorClarke It's sort of halfway to being made

We've got a bot to start from, but we need to add the features and put it on Google App Engine for 24/7 coverage

Wait but what points does it actually track

And I can host it from my site if u want

@TrevorClarke arbitrary chat points

Thanks for the offer but I think Google might be a better option - no matter how reliable your site is, Google's probably better ;)

I totally agree

Although my site has never been down

I pay for a server

Neither has mine, but I'd still use Google xD

And we need full Python support with extra dependencies

@ProgramFOX Noting that, we're also going to need help getting it onto GAE...

What is gae

Google App Engine

Anything I should do?

@Zizouz212 Ermm... rule the world

Erm...

Erm.......

Try to own every chat room there is

Any malicious starting points?

Has Karmabot finally been accepted here? It gained an additional up vote on that answer

@Zizouz212 let me just point you here...

Not yet

Ooooooooohhhhhh

31 points!

Go to the main chatroom!

@Zizouz212 Fancy adding me as a spare owner over there, as well?

By all means, yes!

So now, what should we get it to do...

@Zizouz212 How's this for a start?

Beautiful

Purely Beautiful

This is just me at the moment, because trying to log in as KB still gets the TypeError

I'm getting the type error too

Yeah. Ah well, it may just not work straight away. Wait til tomorrow.

How are tjings going here?

Pretty good :)

Apart from the bot not working

So essentially flawlessly then

Any cool decisions been made soo far? Or is it too soon for that?

@overactor define cool decisions

@ArtOfCode any decisions been made so far?

@overactor define decisions... not really xD

Well, how will the system work?

Good question :)

Some form of chatbot commands.

How much of what it is saying now is specific to this bot?

And is any of it you talking for it?

Is any of it not you?

@overactor chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22458219#22458219

Based on any ai i'd know?

No, given that I made it xD

Where are the canned responses from?

And how canned are they?

It's inventing them

The only canned bits are the commands

Which are very canned indeed

What sort of algorythm is it?

Does it use phrases people use in concersation with it like cb?

No, it takes the grammar they use and uses that to form its own sentences.

Admittedly internet grammar is sometimes not great, but I've had it reading Stack Exchange for a while so it's not bad

What is preprogrammed?

Or what structure do you provide for it to fill in?

Commands, responses, some grammar, and locations of learned information

I've given it things like sentence structure (subject object verb) and some irregular verbs

Were you at all inspired by the GEB sentence generator programme?

@overactor remind me? Sentence structure was a long time ago...

Been a while since Ive read it

But basicaly:

It was a programme that created sentences by filling in e recursive syntax for sentences

I probably took ideas from something like that. I doubt I'd have managed the complexities of the English language on my own xD

He then added heuristics for which words have similar flavour or related meanings I think.

So, is it constrained by a hardcoded syntax? Or is it more flexible than that?

It's pretty flexible, and it's very messy. There's the basic subject-object-verb, there's some stuff for meaning and context, and there's a whole lot of learned material

Some of the responses seem so real

Like the one about reprogramming itself.

It's almost disturbingly self-aware. I've hardcoded the fact that it's a robot, so it knows that.

Did you basically just associate some terms with itself?

Yeah. It also does a fair amount of looking on the Net for information, which is partially why its processing times are so long.

So the question arises, how shall we create points for users in chat?

Just some simple commands for the bot we actually have

add something like >>points overactor +5

I say you get a few every day you post in the room

Sounds good to me

So essentially creating a chat reputation system?

Yeah

except far more arbitrary than rep

Like ha that was funny have some points

Even more imaginary internet points tm

It's also incredibly tempting to use KB's account for self-upvoting, but I'm not going to.

Or EMIIP tm for short

Anyways, I have to go for about an hour, I'll see ya soon! :D

That would be voting fraud

@overactor Indeed it would, which is why I'm steering clear

I got mod-messaged on WB because someone was consistently upvoting me, to the tune of about 400 rep

Probably okay to sneak in some extra chat points for you though.

@overactor well since I control the bot and the acceptable use policy...

@ArtOfCode Karmabot can vote on your questions (for close)

Hmmm... I should probably just steer clear of using it for any kind of votes

>>sudo points ArtOfCode +1000

Only 1000?

More like 1000000000

Then I can just give points away

Inflation man

Mind the inflation

Oh, you should be able to buy chat stars by KarmaBot for certain messages with points

Now that does sound interesting

Perhaps, if we make KB an owner, you could also buy pins

But with high cost, so people don't abuse it too much

Its a bit edgy on fraud thing, but probably totally fine

They're chat stars, they don't affect anything really, it's probably fine

If it was upvotes I'd say no, but chat stars will only ever get you a badge

Yeah, and it should expire of course.

Pins automatically expire

Pins that is

Really?

Yeah. Something like 14 days

I say you buy pins per day

Depends if I can make it take the pin off or not...

Also, no automatic points per day once over a certain amount

Oh I don't know... more points just means you can give more away

@ArtOfCode is that not possible?

@ArtOfCode and buy more stuff

Economy has to be balanced somehow

Perhaps the autopoints should be inversely proportional to your current points

If you want a economy

It probably is, but the SE chat API is nonexistent so I'd have to work out how to do it.

Logarithmic maybe?

like k/current

where k is some arbitrary value

no that doesn't work

Seems to converge to quickly

if it's 1/current times your current points, it's always 1, and if it's k/current times, then it's always k

1/(k log current)

?

More like k log current

If you have 25 points, log(current) = 1.39

10 log(current)

Then it increases though

Except that's not inverse

Snap

Whats wrong with taking 1 over some log?

Values are too small

Oh hang on

(I've got one possible)

Multiply it by some k

(1/k log(current)) * k^5

I don't know. Too late to be doing maths, anyway. I'm off for the night

Okay, see you