@ChristianHupfer No idea, sorry. Even if I knew a few years ago, I wouldn't know what the situation is now. You could always offer to help clear the backlog ;).

@cfr I usually put them both in emacs then use compare-windows or ediff to step through all the differences and see the first place they diverge.

@DavidCarlisle Much the same as I do, but TeXworks for me :-)

@yo' Just had a look at the ctuthesis example pdf. Pretty colorful.

@Johannes_B indeed :)

@yo' Modelled after a Word template with all those squares and dots?

@Johannes_B ummmm no? But I'm not the right person to ask about the design.

@yo' Our universities Corporate Design requires Futura to use. For scientific works as well.

@Johannes_B Say that Comic Sans is the italic version of Futura and use Comic Sans then.

@yo' :-D

@Johannes_B Ok, I'll try that. Thanks.

Were you planning to write an answer?

@FaheemMitha No. By Now David has written a similar one.

@Johannes_B Ok. Thanks again.

@FaheemMitha No problem :-)

A user have written to me with an example of code where this fails. It was analyzed on a german site where Markus Kohm suggested replacing the

The fix works well. Before I add this to mathtools I wanted to know if anyone could see any problems with this fix?

The following MWE shows the problem

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\usepackage{scrextend}
\usepackage{mathtools}
\usepackage{showframe}
%\makeatletter
%\def\intertext@{%
%  \def\intertext##1{%
%    \ifvmode\else\\\@empty\fi
%    \noalign{%
%      \penalty\postdisplaypenalty\vskip\belowdisplayskip
%      \vbox{\normalbaselines
%%        \ifdim\linewidth=\columnwidth%<-- commented out the check
%%        \else
%        \parshape\@ne \@totalleftmargin \linewidth
%%        \fi
%        \noindent##1\par}%
%      \penalty\predisplaypenalty\vskip\abovedisplayskip%

Any comments?

My fix would be

\makeatletter
\def\intertext@{%
 \def\intertext##1{%
   \ifvmode\else\\\@empty\fi
   \noalign{%
     \penalty\postdisplaypenalty\vskip\belowdisplayskip
     \vbox{\normalbaselines
       \def\dlf@w@tst{01}% false
       \ifdim\@totalleftmargin>0pt\def\dlf@w@tst{00}\fi%
       \ifdim\linewidth=\columnwidth\else\def\dlf@w@tst{00}\fi%
       \if\dlf@w@tst% parshape if true
       \parshape\@ne \@totalleftmargin \linewidth%
       \fi%
       \noindent##1\par}%
     \penalty\predisplaypenalty\vskip\abovedisplayskip%

@daleif don't you want to test for total margin != 0 rather than >0 otherwise you get caught out same way by a negative left margin making \linewidth=\columnwidth

@DavidCarlisle you're right, I'll change that test

@daleif I'd do something like

\ifdim
  \ifdim\@totaleftmargin=\z@
   \linewidth
   \else
   -\maxdimen
   \fi
   =\columnwidth
\else \parshape\@ne \@totalleftmargin \linewidth
\fi

rather than the \def\dlf@w@tst{00} stuff

why?

@daleif I don't know, I just would:-) (old habits die hard, it saves a few tokens...)

@daleif Huhu :-)

I'm also wondering where the -\maxdimen comes in

@Johannes_B So that is what the B stands for

@daleif you just need something that makes the surrounding test for equality with \columnwidth fail.

@daleif Yes. :-)

@DavidCarlisle ok, I'll steal this one then. Thanks

@Johannes_B so you are to blame?

So, is \\ an Ok way to force a line break? And if not, how?

@FaheemMitha, in what context do you want to force a linebreak? I typically advise users never to use \` or \newline` in the normal text (unless it is a beamer presentation)

@daleif just when I happen to want something to start on a new line in a para.

@FaheemMitha yes but normally you shouldn't need it.

@DavidCarlisle True.

@FaheemMitha but do you want to leave the line short (\\ ) or just make that a break point but still justify (\linebreak)

@FaheemMitha Since so many people get that wrong, I make an effort not to tell them how to make forced line breaks. I see so many new users who think \\ is the same at pressing Enter in Word.

@DavidCarlisle I guess leave the line short.

@daleif Hmm. While I'm a beginner (and will probably always remain one) I'm not quite such a beginner as that. And I don't use Word. Yuck.

@daleif Do you teach LaTeX then?

@FaheemMitha Not as such I've written a rather large book (in Danish) about it. Though the last public update is from 2011. I plan on working on it this summer. It contains al sorts of stuff, including display math breaking advise. (I have that from a booklet posted by the AMS and actually cited by Knuth in the TeX book)

@FaheemMitha Plus I edit a lot of student work and book manuscripts.

@daleif Are you a researcher then?

@FaheemMitha Nope, more a kind of user support. Fortunate enough to have my department pay me to do LaTeX support and manuscript revisions.

@daleif Oh, I see.

I guess you must really like TeX then.

@FaheemMitha I use my powers as an »editor« to make sure that students (and faculty) follow good conventions.

And there aren't that many people who get paid to do TeX.

@FaheemMitha Well, when I get home at night, I'd like to do something else than TeX ;-)

@daleif I can imagine.

@FaheemMitha It isn't a part of my job description, but it is something that my department appreciate help with.

@daleif Oh, do people listen to you then? If so, congratulations.

@daleif Oh.

So you do general editing stuff?

@FaheemMitha Mostly, of course, those that do not, just don't come and get help.

@Johannes_B I'm not so sure myself. That's why I'm asking for feedback.

@daleif I see. So it's a service you can get if you want it? Sounds useful. I've never been anywhere where I could get help with such things.

@FaheemMitha Not general copy editing, such as checking spelling, punctuation and such. More making sure that everything is done in the same manner al the way through the manuscript.

@daleif Ok.

@FaheemMitha Students seems greatful for it. Even if my comments my be a bit harsh at times.

I also edit our preprint series. There the authors will receive a list of comments for their future work.

It takes a long time, but nowadays our researchers write better LaTeX than when I began some 12 years ago.

@daleif What university do you work for? If you don't mind me asking.

Aahus, Denmark

@daleif Got aware of the book in a post on LC: latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=26326#p89979 :-)

@clemens How much traffic would such a special site gain? What do you think?

@daleif Oh, Denmark. I've thought that might be a good place to live. Is it?

@FaheemMitha Depends, but we do have a lot more welfare that in other places and more or less free education (even though the government now what students to finish faster :-(

@FaheemMitha Plus for some reason the season "Summer" does not seem to be compatible with DK this year :-(

@daleif I remember some years ago a chap you probably wouldn't know (Martin Geisler) said that in Denmark people discuss things in a reasonable fashion. This was when someone was being publicly nasty to him online.

I thought, that sounds like, not such a bad place. :-)

@FaheemMitha We have a general election tomorrow, so at the moment people are not that nice when they discuss things. To the general dismay to the general voter.

@daleif Ah, so what are the contentious issues?

I've noticed that Danes tend to regard their politicians as amiable idiots, rather than evil lying thieving criminals, like most other people do. Is this just optimism, or are there really differences?

@FaheemMitha Welfare and emigration. People keep promising to spend money on this and that, but not much information on where the money are going to come from. A lot of the high profile politicians have been dissing each other instead of discussing politics.

@daleif Wow, that sounds like... everywhere. Well, in Europe, anyway.

@FaheemMitha If they end up as evil lying ..., then their career soon ends. And the moment there have been a lot of discussion about a sale of a publicly owned business that ended up being sold to Goldman Sachs, some politicians are being accused of withholding information on this, because a lot of people a pretty mad that they sold to one of the big players in the economic crisis.

@Johannes_B @DavidCarlisle, updated mathtools sent off to CTAN

@daleif Nice, thank you :-)

@Johannes_B I honestly have no the slightest idea

@daleif Well, if the really bad guys get taken out, that's better than a lot of places.

But I guess Denmark is better than a lot of places. Near 100% levels of literacy, politically engaged population... Hows the alt energy scene?

@FaheemMitha alt energy? We do have our share of problems. Unemployment in rural areas (for some broad definition of rural)

@DavidCarlisle The first difference is that \tracingall appears to be doing something different! And (guessing) every occurrence of \ifx creates a difference because it is now much chattier? And \documentclass, \usepackage etc. get changed in the 2015 version? Maybe it really would make more sense in emacs :(.

@cfr No, we didn't change them

@cfr Ah, what would make a difference if it you are not loading etex in the TL'14 test

@JosephWright @cfr yes we changed \tracingall:-) (you could add \usepackage{etex} to the 2014 one

@DavidCarlisle Yes I know, just getting to that

@DavidCarlisle We didn't change \ifx ;-)

@cfr or (much) less verbose just use \tracingmacros=1 rather than tracingall

@cfr From TL'15 we enable the extra e-TeX tracing, which was not the case before. As @DavidCarlisle says, loading the etex package with older versions will make the trace look the same

@daleif Alternative energy. Solar, hydro, wind etc.

@FaheemMitha Mostly wind power (got quite a lot), we are home to Vestas after all. Some solar power cells on roofs and some systems for heading water via solar. Both peivate (peoples homes) and on a more industrial scale.

@daleif Do you have feed-in tariffs and stuff? I suppose you aren't going for it on the scale Germany is. I'd say they certainly have the right idea.

@FaheemMitha I think those how produce enough feed the surplus into the grid, I think their electricity meter then runs backwards. (I don't know much about it)

@daleif In Germany? That must be something to see. :-)

@FaheemMitha No DK

@daleif Oh, Ok. So DK has a feed-in tariff too?

@ChristianFeuersänger Are you online? I need to ask you something about intersection segments and the sequence option. Basically it creates an extra path where there is none, a weird curve. :(

@DavidCarlisle I see Hans has dealt with both of our questions: we don't need a table for attributes and we don't need to worry about spacing out the catcode table

@barznjy IEEE never knows the standards.

Does anyone know if there is a version history for LuaTeX around somewhere?

@DavidCarlisle I'd like to have some idea of where to put a 'cut-off': I'm wondering about v0.6 or v0.7

not that I know about (texlive svn log....) 0.80 still a possibility (eg the newtoken class code Hans just gave in answer to my question is new this time.

@JosephWright yes I just had my annual appraisal so wasn't reading mail;-)

@barznjy so just change in journal name?

@DavidCarlisle Perhaps, yes, as this is all about new features

@DavidCarlisle Hope it went well

@JosephWright brilliantly, of course:-)

A url is splitting at a period. Is this normal? I couldn't find anything in the url documentation about that.

@FaheemMitha normal for url.sty yes

@FaheemMitha package has \def\UrlBreaks{\do\. ...

@DavidCarlisle Ok, thank you for the confirmation. I hadn't noticed. So breaks are allowed for some characters by default then.

Ok, looking.

@FaheemMitha well that's the whole point of the package, yes.

@DavidCarlisle ok.

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Thank you! Adding etex to the 2015 version seems to fix the problem. I still got quite different traces adding etex to my MWE for 2014, whether or not I included it for the 2015 run, but when I added it to the 2015 run, compilation suddenly succeeded. I am not entirely confident about this given that various tweaks seemed to fix various manifestations, but my original document gets British quotation marks and my MWE compiles. So it seems to work ;).

@cfr hmm that's bad: etex not supposed to be needed in latex 2015, do you want to send me a zip file of the test (no need to make it minimal:-)

@DavidCarlisle Confidentially? I'd have to send you custom class/package files which I've been using for a long time and patching with various things and which are, frankly, a mess. I don't want to share them publicly ;). The actual test document is pretty minimal but I don't have an MWE with a standard class/packages.

@cfr yes don't feel you have to, but I'd be interested to see why etex is needed (since I'd worked quite hard to ensure it wasn't:-) you can find my gmail address easily enough:-)

How do I add something to the end of the last page of the document in a .cls ?

@salbeira possibly \AtEndDocument{\clearpage goodbye!!}

\AtEndDocument adds a new page that doesn't get numbered

for some wierd reason

@salbeira atenddocument doesn't add a page, the \clearpage will (you can omit that but then floats may come after the added text) should be numbered though

I dont use \clearpage and it still adds the page

page 5/4 (yes I compiled 3 times)

@salbeira only if the extra text naturally needs another page (or if something redefined it)

the vfill is propably not the issue

though it doesnt work also

@salbeira \AtEndDocument{zzz}....\end{document} is exactly the same as ...zzz\end{document}

@salbeira vfill will be ignored at the start of a page

That is weird because if I do it the manual way it works like I want to

Yes, like I want to

sigh I'll see that I stop trying to modify this .cls and rewrite it

@salbeira If I remember correctly that's my code so there can't be a bug in it:-)

@salbeira Hacking a class file is never a good idea.

I'd call it extending :-)

@DavidCarlisle I'm apparently useless at finding people's email addresses. I either need a hint or you can get my address from the documentation for cfr-initials and email me. (Some packages still have an old address but this one should be current.)

I did find out some stuff about you. Just not your email ;).

@cfr d dot p dot carlisle at a well known mail service hosted by google:-)

@cfr sent mail to the address listed in texdoc cfr-initials

@cfr hmm mail to you bounced:-)

@DavidCarlisle blogspot?

:)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, it is only the name of the Journal, but each journal has its own abbreviation. as I said before, for few number of papers, this manual change is fine, but it is not efficient when there are large number of references.

@PauloCereda: How's your cat?

@ChristianHupfer Thankfully she's fine. If we delay her surgery for a couple of hours, she might have died.

@ChristianHupfer: mum told me Ciça is sleeping so peacefully, the uterine infection was being so painful for her that now she finally rest.

@PauloCereda: Oh dear...

@PauloCereda: Does this mean she wasn't pregnant at all?

@ChristianHupfer Yes, she wasn't. It was the infection all along.

@PauloCereda Oh my. And you looked so forward for the kittens. I hope she will recover completely and will give birth to cute kittens as soon as possible

@ChristianHupfer Actually, there's no way, she has no reproductive system anymore. :)

@PauloCereda: Oh :-( sad

@ChristianHupfer I suspect she was infertile anyway.

@DavidCarlisle Shouldn't. I got one from you. Did you get my reply?

@DavidCarlisle Sorry for the mess. Very non-minimal...:(.

@cfr yes sorry, was eating:-) will look...

@cfr ask @barbarabeeton about my legendary typing accuracy

@barznjy well not much you can do about that from bibtex I guess, I'd just write a perl (or python or awk or whatever you like) script that contained a big table of replacements then just run the script whenever you generate a new bibtex file

@cfr I get runs without error in tl2014 and ! Package csquotes Error: Unbalanced groups or invalid nesting. in 2015, that's what you expect

@DavidCarlisle Why is that expected? Adding etex solves the problem.

@cfr No I just meant is that what you got (before I start debugging)

@cfr (FiXme) Number of fatal errors: 125, in the 2015 log seems bad... so I just need to work backwards to see what csquotes is counting there...

@cfr actually I may start with that as comparing against 2014 shows diffs all over (expl3 and output routine updates, mostly) loading etex should be a smaller diff...

@cfr ah forest

@cfr load forest first

@cfr or use the version of forest I have on my machine:-)

@cfr before the latex 2015 release I did a sweep of ctan looking for packages using etex/etoolbox that might be impacted by the change, and basically produced the elocalloc package to fill a gap for him, he'd already explictly added \RequirePackage{etex} once @JosephWright changed etoolbox to stop loading etex but in 2015 you have to load etex before latex has started using extended registers, or strange things happen, so with the current public version you need to load forest early.

@cfr he wanted to wait until after tl2015 been release a while to switch to using elocalloc instead of etex, then the restriction will go, but loading forest early does no harm in either case

@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see. I thought you meant, 'that is what is meant to happen'. Yes, that's what I get. The fixme thing looked weird to me, too. It isn't meant to be counting compilation errors that I know of. And I didn't mark up any fatal errors in fixme's sense. (Also, it should stop compilation for such mark-up in final mode.)

@DavidCarlisle Sorry not to reply before. I was eating.

that time of day:-)

@DavidCarlisle So I should load forest before \documentclass?

@cfr for me it worked to use \usepackage{forest} as first thing after documentclass, if that works for your real cases I'll ping the forest author and ask him to push out the update

@DavidCarlisle Is it really just forest? If I use the article class, there's no problem. (Or if I don't load glossaries or ...)

@cfr forest and a large slice of bad luck.

@DavidCarlisle :(.

@cfr in latex up to 2014 if you did not load etex early you would run out of registers so get a fatal error. in 2015 if you load etex (or forest which loads etex) early it works too, but if you define just exactly the right number of counters and have the right number of package updates then in 2014 you just manage to have enough classic counters before etex is loaded, and in 2015 you just fail, so you start to allocate extended registers with one scheme then the other and end up

@cfr with two packages using different names for the same internal register so get arbitrary spurious errors...

@cfr after the forest update it won't load etex and will load elocalloc instead so in 2015 will just use the new allcation scheme and so you can load forest anywhere in the preamble again.

@cfr sorry (it's all my fault I guess:-)

I have a quention to the U.S.-guys and girls ;) If there is a statement in a receipe "Take < 1 cup > noodles" ...... what do you do usually? Do you take a measuring cup; like these ones: matheplanet.de/matheplanet/nuke/html/uploads/9/…

@cis yes it's a strange American quirk, they have problems with units generally:-) (but then, I'm not American:-)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. Yes, loading forest earlier seems to work, even after I comment the etex call in the class file. I saw that the counts were out by 1 comparing the traces: is something using the extra 1 in 2015? Or is there 1 fewer there to be used? I must say, the error messages were spectacularly unhelpful... ;).

@DavidCarlisle Oh my dear :() I asked, because I calculated some measures into "gramm", flour for example. And the mixing ratios of the ingredients gone wrong. Mmhhh....

@cis A cup is equivalent to 250ml volume. (Or maybe 240ml for dry stuff - but I'm not sure I really believe this. I think the person was pulling my leg.) If you don't have measuring cups, you can use a jug. You just want 1/4 litre of noodles. And if that seems a daft way to measure noodles, well... you'll get no argument from me.

@cis @cfr isn't American either. (at least I don't think so:-)

@DavidCarlisle So I really can say that David broke it?

@cfr no

@cfr Haha.... :)

@DavidCarlisle True. But I lived there for over 10 years. I learnt to translate recipes....

@cis If you are British, you also have to deal with the fact that an Imperial pint is not a US pint. Likewise, quarts and gallons and.... (US gas really is cheaper than UK petrol but a gallon of it is also smaller!)

@cis (So it isn't as much cheaper as it first appears...)

@cfr :() I am german, so I have my problems with both worlds (U.S. / imperial) ... ^^

Annother freaking crazy thing is the unit "Fahrenheit", but here there a clear calculation of conversion at least. ;)

@cis -- the measuring cup shown in your link is a common form, and should work quite well. that's the form of measuring cup used for "dry measure", since you can scrape a knife edge across the top to even off the contents (if they're finely ground enough). regarding noodles, i'd also ask whether they're dry or cooked -- if cooked, they'd pack much more tightly. (going by weight would actually give a more accurate result here, but i have no idea what weight of noodles = 1 cup.)

@cis now you see @barbarabeeton is American so finds giving food measurements by cup almost rational

@barbarabeeton "i have no idea what weight of noodles" ---> me too... I fear, the unit cup is not my cup of tea... ;)

@cis -- i'm driven crazy by the distinction between "centigrade" (which i learned about no later than high school) and "celsius".

@cis Britain is far more rational there, in conversational use we use Celsius in winter and Fahrenheit in summer.

@barbarabeeton Would depend heavily on the kind i think. Penne with those large holes will have a completely different density than for example orzo/risoni/Kritharaki

@DavidCarlisle Very good... :) And "Kelvin" in your calculations....

@Johannes_B ah we'd never use "noodles" to mean pasta, always the long thin asian kind

@cis of course.

@DavidCarlisle Fair point :-)

@DavidCarlisle In germany we have like plates of precooked and dried noodles. Have fun measuring a 10 by 6 by 1 cm^3 plate in cups ;-)

@cis -- and you will find that a standard u.s. liquid measuring cup is 8 fl.oz., while a "teacup" is 6 fl.oz. (my grandfather was a baker, and his recipes included drams and other such archaic units.)

@cis but most people will still think of "70-80 Farenheight" as a hot day and struggle to remember what that is in celsius, but since Farenheight hasn't been taught in schools for two generations noone can remember what freezing is in farenheight so much easier to say a cold day was -1 (C)

@DavidCarlisle -- or nice european egg noodles. (i would even consider spaetzle a kind of noodle, but i may be in the minority there. but i learned to make them from a hungarian, and i believe he considered them closer to noodles than to pasta.)

@DavidCarlisle -- it's also possibly helpful to remember that -40 is the same degree of cold in both fahrenheit (no "gh") and celsius. (better have good warm mittens.)

@barbarabeeton @cis 8 fl oz is roughly 250ml. 2 cups is 1 US pint (16 fl oz). But a UK pint is 20 fl oz. As a baker, he didn't weigh stuff? The American I knew who was really serious about baking (entering cakes in state fairs etc.) weighed ingredients for competition cakes, just like a normal person would!

@cis We also use gas marks here for temperature (for gas ovens, as opposed to electric ones). So even UK-specific cookbooks need to give temperatures in at least two versions. In the States, I had a conversion card by the heating/air conditioning controls and numerous conversion charts for cooking....

@barbarabeeton What is the difference between Celsius and Centigrade?

@cfr Mmmh, very complicated thing in the case of "1 cup noodles" - I think I will try my luck with these measuring cups, shown in the link above matheplanet.de/matheplanet/nuke/html/uploads/9/…

@DavidCarlisle You are right about summer in terms of weather, but I'd think in terms of Celsius for setting a thermostat in the winter. (Not just for the weather.)

@cfr -- for most ingredients, yes, weight was the measurement. but for some recipes, liquid measure was also used. (i have a recipe for "1-quart" and "2-quart" stollen. what the recipe is missing is the baking temperature, but he would have been using a commercial oven where it's possibly more important to know in which sector to place the baking sheet. oh -- he was german, born in, i believe, priessnitz, and emigrated in his teens.)

@cis Look fairly standard ;).

@cfr -- i think the only place where it really matters is in a chemistry setting. +40 in either scale is pretty darn warm.

@cfr just the name isn't it?

@DavidCarlisle That's what I thought. But I thought @barbarabeeton meant there was a difference in scale itself.

@cfr wikipedia says they are same en.wikipedia.org/?title=Celsius#Centigrade_and_Celsius

@cis -- you probably also want to see if the recipe specifies whole or broken/crumbled noodles. (the latter are much easier to measure in cups. i really wouldn't want to try to measure whole, long, dry noodles by cups.)

@DavidCarlisle -- not quite. look here: chemistry.about.com/b/2014/01/29/…

@DavidCarlisle Not exactly true

@barbarabeeton OK, I will improve that "Kraft meal" lifetricks.com/page/45 - Oh my dear, what a crazy naming :()

@barbarabeeton shrug: scientists are always fine tuning the official definitions of all these things, but they're all the same thing really, especially to the accuracy of a weather forecast

@DavidCarlisle We have the 'new SI' to look forward to soon :-)

@cis -- oops! nothing on that page about noodles! ("easily remove rust off your car bumper"; old trick, coca cola and aluminum foil. won't work on the bumper of my car, which is a plastic shell with "egg-carton" style plastic packing inside.)

@barbarabeeton But the scales are the same or not? That link still seems to say that Celsius is 'a centigrade scale'. (Why not 'the'?)

Updated koma-script two times today.

@JosephWright

\luatexattributedef\reserved@a=0
\muskipdef\reserved@b=0

\directlua {
luaregisterbasetable={}
luaregisterbasetable["assign_glue"]=newtoken.create("skip@").mode
luaregisterbasetable["assign_mu_glue"]=newtoken.create("reserved@b").mode
luaregisterbasetable["assign_dimen"]=newtoken.create("dimen@").mode
luaregisterbasetable["assign_toks"]=newtoken.create("toks@").mode
luaregisterbasetable["assign_int"]=newtoken.create("c@page").mode
luaregisterbasetable["assign_attr"]=newtoken.create("reserved@a").mode

Almost hit rep cap today :-)

@Johannes_B With just 120? :P

@Johannes_B But at one day reach for 10K

@Johannes_B rep cap != 200 points:-)

@DavidCarlisle On the other hand, 200 counts for Epic or Legendary.

@DavidCarlisle @egreg Well, so not rep capped. :-)

@egreg Seems i have to go through the unanswered. Many of the questions i cannot answer, though. They seem unclear.

@Johannes_B you've still got half an hour!

@DavidCarlisle Nah, i am tired.

@DavidCarlisle Was thinking about biblatex all night github.com/michal-h21/biblatex-iso690