The Screening Room - 2015-06-15

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12:01 AM

Regardless... I've seen enough of the episodes to know that I'm not interested in watching any more of them. Of the shows I've watched, they're a bit too absurd... Specifically, the one with the car body odor issue, the "shrinkage" one... and... um... I think I've seen the "no soup for you" episode but I may be mis-remembering.

Bottom line is, Seinfeld dared. It dared to have a villain for a co-protagonist. It dared to dedicate an episode to just waiting for table and another entirely to masturbation when both were simply unheard of. It dared to have complex, interweaving plots and an entire season that discusses the show itself.

Napoleon Wilson

Dafuq what? An upvote after 20 seconds? The question doesn't even appear until some minutes.

@NapoleonWilson That was me. It's odd... I see the questions briefly right when they're posted, then they disappear for a few minutes and come back. I don't know why.

For example, I can't see it right now, but I clearly saw it when you posted it.

@NapoleonWilson Not when someone has the front page open on active ;)

I have tabs open on both the main site and Meta.

Napoleon Wilson

12:06 AM

Indeed, I forgot about this "1 new question with activity" notification at the top. This works even right after posting.

Oh, and I don't just appreciate Seinfeld, I find it hilarious, even 20 years later, despite the unfortunate laught track. Sorry :)

Napoleon Wilson

Well, I tend to enjoy it now and then when accidentally hitting it on TV.

At least I find a far better access to it than this other 90s thing everyone is up in arms about, Frasier that is.

@NapoleonWilson Frasier was OK. Too punny near the end.

Napoleon Wilson

@Catija Well, my colleague likes all the university research related stuff about it. But I honestly find most of the nerd jokes just meh.

@Catija WUUUT? Friends? Now that is worth a chat suspension.

Happened to Modern Family too (Another Christopher "no, not that one" Lloyd show). The jokes became forced pretty quickly and revolved around cringeworthy wordplay

Napoleon Wilson

12:13 AM

@Catija Ok, I agree that this really wasn't such a good thing.

@Catija You might just be remembering that stupid question about it on here.

@NapoleonWilson Friends has not aged well. The last 5 seasons are a wreck.

When I was younger I watched some sitcoms... Fresh Prince, Frasier, Rosanne (though I'm not really sure I liked Rosanne), Married with Children... I think the only one I watch any more is BBT.

@NapoleonWilson Nah, I'd heard about it long before then.

Napoleon Wilson

I don't think I watch any current sitcoms (seeing that How I Met Your Mother is finished already, too, but I'm still happy when catching it on TV, like Friends I can watch all the episodes over and over even if I've seen them 20 times already).

@Catija Another reason to love Seinfeld then, the 'no hugging, no learning' rule. :)

Oh, and I grew up watching Britcoms... love them.

Napoleon Wilson

12:17 AM

But well, for a person raised by TV I watch suprisingly few stuff on TV currently. Must be only Arrow and some streamed things like GoT.

@Catija Sure, everything begins and ends with Fawlty for me

@Walt Love that show. Other ones I saw on PBS include Are You Being Served, Red Dwarf, My Hero (this one I always found really funny and slightly under-appreciated)... Um so many others.

Napoleon Wilson

@Catija Married with Children always was a bit too stupid for me. But yeah, Roseanne was, well, nice at least. Interesting mid-western working-class atmosphere. But Fresh Prince was great, my cousin is an even bigger fan of that, though.

@Catija I liked MWC because it was a (misunderstood?) parody of US TV. I liked Roseanne at the time because it was different and real and snarky.

Napoleon Wilson

I know that DJ Jazzy Jeff once was at a local club some years ago and we wanted to see him just for nostalgia's sake. But something got in the way, don't know what.

12:21 AM

@Catija Season 1 of I'm Alan Partridge is simply amazing. Also Blackadder 3 (though 2 & 4 are also good).

@Walt Not familiar with I'm Alan Partridge... I've seen all of Blackadder (thanks, Netflix).

Oh, and more recently The IT Crowd (British).

Also, a bit more obscurely, Brass Eye. I don't even know how to describe it other than the most deranged thing I've seen on TV

@Catija I recommend it, though be warned that not a lot happens there. Recently came out with a movie called Alan Partridge: Alpha Papa that was pretty funny too

@Walt ... Not familiar with that, either... not a sitcom but if we're talking about weird shows, the new one, Utopia... now that's odd.

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Q: Topic Challenge: Christopher Lee and his films

Last sunday saw the death of Christopher Lee, who counts to his many achievements being a successful and renowned actor for nearly 70 years. So to honor him we decided to start a weekly topic challenge from 2015-06-15 00:00 UTC to 2015-06-21 23:00 UTC asking for any kind of question about Christo...

discussion topic-of-the-week challenge scheduled-event

Napoleon Wilson

The Alan Partridge Project? Wait, that was something else.

12:29 AM

Oh, and I love Misfits

@NapoleonWilson Slightly, yes. ;) [-sons]

TBH I liked 90s Brit dramas a lot more (surprise surprise). Cracker was exquisite

Napoleon Wilson

Yeah, was a joke, I'm not actually that musically undiscerning. ;-)

oh get here faster Pixar so that i actually have a reason to go to the movies besides cgi lizards

i'll go stand in line right now :)

have a good one guys

Napoleon Wilson

Hmm, that Martian trailer shows quite many non-Martian scenes actually. I hoped for a much more All Is Lost vibe. But well, it's just a trailer, still one of the most-anticipated movies this year.

Meh, what's Pixar doing now?

@Walt Indeed, good night.

@Walt Night!

@NapoleonWilson That one about stereotypical emotions.

Inside Out (2015 film)

Inside Out is a 2015 American 3D computer-animated fantasy–comedy film produced by Pixar Animation Studios and released by Walt Disney Pictures. The film is based on an original idea by Pete Docter, who is directing the film along with co-director Ronnie del Carmen, and producer Jonas Rivera. The film's voice cast features Amy Poehler, Phyllis Smith, Bill Hader, Lewis Black and Mindy Kaling. The film is set in the mind of a young girl, Riley Anderson, where five emotions—Joy, Anger, Disgust, Fear and Sadness—try to lead her through her life. The film had its world premiere on May 18, 2015, at the...

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3:15 AM

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Q: Why did Ultron want a flesh body?

In Age of Ultron, the titular robot compels a Korean scientist to make him a body into which he plans to transfer his consciousness. Why? Such a body would seem to make him vulnerable to the very plot he plans to destroy all life on earth.

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5:03 AM

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Q: Why is the classic Star Wars series so seemingly hyped?

It isn't too long that I watched the Star Wars series. I had already watched many movies and shows at that point of time. And one day my brother told me he is gonna watch Star Wars series. I was like, "okay, I could also watch the much hyped Star Wars" and so I did. Finally I felt, what is the b...

5:53 AM

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Q: How did batman end up in Alfred's car

In the movie batman begins, batman goes into the narrows to check where the drugs are going. There a fight with Dr crane takes places and batman is given the hallucinogenic spay by crane and also set on fire. After this batman with great difficulty manages to reach the roof top after that he call...

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6:54 AM

:/ Daily vote limit reached and i didn't even read all the GoT question.....what a drag

7:35 AM

@Catija Stereotypical sounds a bit harsh. When stereotypes are written and portrayed with depth, they're upgraded to archetypes. ;)

Napoleon Wilson

7:46 AM

Uhuh, never heard of that. I stay with my "meh" for now.

@MovieReel Meh, one of those people who need every action played straight into your face in front of the camera? Guess you loved Inception then. ;-)

@MovieReel Oh, I guess all those thoughts about physical and mental perfection, post-humanism and emulation of your creators will probably not matter when the straight to the point answer is just "because it was an incredibly powerful vibranium body and not just flesh". Hmm.

8:04 AM

@MetaReel I will love to see hugo question from this week's challenge

Napoleon Wilson

8:14 AM

@Catija Oh, now I saw it. Meh, italics just for the title? Is that so important/necessary? I'd deem that utter stylistic convenience. Links would be much more helpful, so that you wouldn't have to improvise all the time just because you can't include a Wiki link into the excerpt.

8:32 AM

0

Q: Who could be the Azor Ahai?

During the seasons of Game of Thrones we heard Melisandre talking about the Azor Ahai reborn, a hero fighting against the Others (White Walkers), so Who do you think is this Azor Ahai ?

plot-explanation game-of-thrones

8:52 AM

@NapoleonWilson I was also disappointed with Pixar of late, but the reviews seem promising. Here's hoping they got their mojo back

9:08 AM

@MovieReel Jon Snow

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Hmm, I don't really have much of an opinion about Pixar, neither negative nor positive. They make nice things and I can enjoy their stuff, but well, not that I would care much. As of recent I liked Frozen quite much.

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Q: Why didn't T-Rex and Velociraptor attack each other?

In Jurassic World, after defeating the Indominus Rex, the T-Rex and Velociraptor exchange a glance and then leave different ways. Was that really a natural behavior ?

Napoleon Wilson

WALL-E was good, that insect thing, too. And the fish thing. Up was ok. Never seen that Incredibles everyone finds incredible. And never understood that humongous hype around Toy Story.

Oh, and it seems Tangled and Frozen weren't even Pixar. And I thought Pixar and Disney were pretty much synonymous. Hmm.

9:25 AM

@NapoleonWilson Watch Monsters Inc. (not the sequel, though). Preferably with the kids [er, if you gott'em ;)]

Napoleon Wilson

But I watched Megamind just yesterday and that was quite fun. Dreamworks also made some good stuff. But well, like Pixar I haven't seen all of their stuff and I certainly don't need to either.

@Walt Yeah, I've seen that. Nice animated fun, but well. [and no, I don't]

@NapoleonWilson Pixar was always a part of Disney, but Disney truly swallowed it up a few years ago. That's why Pixar films aren't very good lately while Disney films are improving

Napoleon Wilson

Until now still nothing beats Rango for me. That is animation that looks really great (and a setting I immediately embrace).

That being said, I'd love to see Prince of Egypt again. Haven't seen that for ages and liked that very much when I was younger. But ok, the Ridley Scott version was interesting, too. ;-)

@NapoleonWilson It got nothing on Prince of Persia ;) (the game. F the movie)

Napoleon Wilson

Afterall, all those animated movies are more often than not just nice entertaining fun to me but really nothing more. I mean, sure they can have thought-provoking stories, but you know what, live action movies can, too.

@Walt Haha, love those games, too (from old to new). But ok, the movie wasn't that bad either.

9:32 AM

@NapoleonWilson But that's the thing, Pixar often works on the story more than live action films

@MovieReel looks like this movie have dinosaur behavioral issue . Second question on the topic.

I also like the way they anthropomorphize things we're supposed to dislike, like rats and cockroaches and grouchy old people (no, wait...)

@AnkitSharma I want to see this film less and less with every passing minute

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt I wouldn't really sign that, though. I mean, more often that not the premise seems to be "oh look, what a great story an animated movie can have". Strip the animation and sure, you still have an interesting story, but well.

@Walt Meh, sure.

@NapoleonWilson Well, I judge films by genre. That's kinda akin to saying "strip the humor from the comedy, and what are you left with?" Well, not much, since it's a comedy. :P

@Walt i will go for it but not in theater

Napoleon Wilson

9:40 AM

But I never understood how everyone always was so up in arms about Toy Story or Rattatuille(?) or Up (sure, an old guy going to the sky for losing the love of his life, nice, but well, and what about those weird robot dogs?).

^ who made this guy mod

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt That is an animated movie I'd die to watch! ;-P

Rip him from his powers

I need him in trial in front of old and the new god

@AnkitSharma The thing is, it seems spectacle is all it has going for it, and that's still best experienced in theaters

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Sure, as I said, I enjoy most of the animated fare I see, but that doesn't really make them milestones in story-telling for me. I enjoy comedies, too. But that's nothing that drags me to the theatres.

9:42 AM

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Q: How did Romily survive 23 years on the Endurance?

It is stated that each one hour spent on Miller's Plant equals 7 years earth time. Cooper and his colleagues spends some time on the plant and by the time they return, Romily says that he has been waiting 23 years, which means, they must have spend 3 hours on the planet (highly doubted). But tha...

plot-explanation interstellar

@NapoleonWilson Milestones in animated storytelling, anyway

Napoleon Wilson

For an animated movie the story's great. Well, sure.

@MovieReel Time to go duplicate hunting, @NapoleonWilson ;)

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Oh, from the title I'd wager that might even be the first genuine Interstellar question in years.

@NapoleonWilson You make it sound like it's a lesser genre. I don't believe there is such a thing. (Well, OK, maybe soaps and blaxploitation and things that are intentionally cheap)

9:45 AM

@NapoleonWilson We could have done a GOT TOW on the finale

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Well, no. It has its place. I guess I just can't be as hyped about this animated stuff as everyone else.

@NapoleonWilson I actually partially agree: Toy Story's are great but not Pixar's best IMO (though 2 is up there). And you're right, Up has a strong start but gets a bit weird when the dogs show up.

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Ah, sure. Damn! Afterall, we could have started the Lee thing right last sunday actually. And this sunday GoT. Hmm, well, noone proposed anything anyway.

But I'll be damned if you badmouth Ratatouille :P

@NapoleonWilson Every week is GoT week around here. :(

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Hmm, I'm not even sure I watched it in its entirety. Well, maybe it is as great as everyone says. That being said, "not goodmouthing" isn't "badmouthing". ;-)

@Walt But yesterday was the finale!

9:49 AM

Sure, but GoT Q's will dominate SE no matter what

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Well, of course, afterall every challenge is merely served by coincidence. Because noone notices them, let alone cares about them, let alone goes to actively watch stuff to ask questions for them.

@NapoleonWilson It's probably one of the better films I've seen about the struggles of an artist (particularly since I'm not gaga over most films about this subject)

Napoleon Wilson

So if we don't get a LotR question this week, I dare to say the Christopher Lee thing's not really produce anything. Or I might rewatch Man with the Golden Gun, be it only for the intro song.

@NapoleonWilson "rewatch Man with the Golden Gun" Hey, let's not get too crazy :P

Ooh, there's one: fave Bond movie?

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Well, it wasn't that bad. But ok, I also remembered it far better before I last saw it. But well, typically questionable Moore-slapstick and quite a bit surrealism. Certainly not one of the best, I agree.

9:54 AM

@Walt You have not seen the rampage yet. Let me complete the season 5 in few days then..........muhhahahahhahah...........edits/upvote/downvote and question/answers

@NapoleonWilson One of the worst, IIRC. The final confrontation and then the fight with Tattoo in the end were particularly lame

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Now that is too hard to say, love nearly every one of those. But I guess I'd opt for a Craig, probably Casino Royale. But it's really hard to decide.

@NapoleonWilson I want hugo

Not fave Bond necessarily, fave Bond film

As i am still avoiding LotR/Hobbit

Napoleon Wilson

9:55 AM

The best movie per actor might be far easier to decide. They're just all too different and also products of their zeitgeist, I think.

@Walt I know, still too hard.

I can make life easier for me, I'll just go to an IMDB Bond list and sort them by my grades :)

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Oh crap, right, weren't you the one single user who's not seen those?

Done. Seems it's Goldfinger for me. With From Russia with Love in 2nd

Napoleon Wilson

But for a fast and unreasoned start, per-actor: From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service (well, surprise), View To A Kill (I just love the 80s), License to Kill, The World Is Not Enough (very close before Goldeneye), and Casino Royale (very close before Skyfall).

@AnkitSharma I give you permission to keep avoiding the Hobbit films ;)

@NapoleonWilson I remember the Brosnan ones were quite cartoonish

Napoleon Wilson

10:00 AM

@Walt Uh, no. Only that awful last one, with the invisible cars and space lasers.

@NapoleonWilson 6 films.......ahhhhh......time shortage.

@Walt LOL

@AnkitSharma And I don't say that as a Tolkien purist (though I did read the book when I was younger). They're just dreadful films

@NapoleonWilson Yeah, that one ventured into Bay territory

Napoleon Wilson

The World Is Not Enough was really one of the best ever to me (if you can bear Denise Richards), great villain, great bond girl/villain, great relationship.

@NapoleonWilson Uh, didn't she play a rocket scientist? Called Xmas Knockers or summat? Yeesh

Napoleon Wilson

Well, Die Another Day was pretty much the new Moonraker. ;-(

@Walt Yeah, just ignore her and concentrate on Sophie Marceau(?).

10:04 AM

@NapoleonWilson I mean, there's a shot of like pigeons doing double takes when the gondola blasted by! ;)

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt I don't!

@NapoleonWilson But... ugly filtered CGI...

Napoleon Wilson

Well, just don't expect the grandeur of the original trilogy, but all this prequel hate baffles me. Of course they're not as good as the others, but meh, still enjoyable Middle-earth fun.

But I agree, when you take a parallax of 20 meters to get some kind of 3D effect when shoting those guys from 100 meters away, it necessarily looks like little miniature figures runnign around. That annoyed me in the 3rd part quite a bit.

@NapoleonWilson For the same reason another certain prequel trilogy was hated: These ones seem to be strictly for kiddies

@NapoleonWilson Sure. There are actually more practical effects in LotR than one might think

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Yeah, and you know what, I don't friggin' hate that either. They're still enjoyable movies with interesting stories in a great setting. Yeah, I said that!

10:10 AM

@NapoleonWilson So are amusement park rides. You know that won't draw me in

Napoleon Wilson

But well, how can CGI be ugly in such a production these days, it looks like friggin' reality.

That being said I'm very much looking forward to Spectre of course. Probably the most-anticipated movie this year, right before The Martian (and I'm speaking as a Star Wars fan).

@NapoleonWilson Really? The fight in the goblin caves in the 1st one looked real to you?

Not to mention that gold smelting scene in the 2nd

Napoleon Wilson

I would have loved this question to be on-topic.

@NapoleonWilson Depends on OP's age or love for nostalgia, really. A lot of people might find the early Bond films laughable

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Hmm, I'd have rather liked that to be a Time Travel in movies challenge for Terminator. But I guess that's hard to do (especially since the usage of that time-travel tag isn't that highly encouraged anyway).

10:15 AM

@NapoleonWilson Why ist off topic. We have allowed similar one

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Well, it's entirely subjective. But something like "what defines a Bond movie is a very interesting question, even if hard to answer.

Anyway, I have it in my favourites (together with a long list of other "please reopen someday" things).

@NapoleonWilson i will not mind little variation but wait i am still under process. You might few more suggestions.

Napoleon Wilson

That superhero origin thing isn't that bad, I think. Spans multiple franchsises and eras, but needs to be well-defined. We also have Fantastic 4 this year, which seems to be an origin (yet again), too.

@NapoleonWilson TBH I initially found Skyfall boring, sorry. It was slow and all about the visuals (with sudden bursts of action), the villain was over the top and his plan made no damn sense, and the last act was Home Alone in Scotland. But it improved somewhat on 2nd viewing (though not by that much)

And I also hate, hate orange & teal and wish it nothing but death, so there was that too

@NapoleonWilson Is it batman with the highest origin story counting wise

Napoleon Wilson

10:19 AM

@Walt He was supposed to be over the top, that was the whole premise. The return of the good old personal superminds in our globalized and group-terrorism oriented world.

@NapoleonWilson I have more problem with the fact that his ludicrous plan worked ;)

Napoleon Wilson

Well, to each his own. And it's a movie, audio-visual impression is a huge factor.

@Walt This movie wasn't all orange and teal (whatever that means at all). The only thing that comes to mind is the fire in the finale, and that was visually stunning and atmospheric.

@AnkitSharma There's a friggin Burrito movie? ;-P

@AnkitSharma Uh, he only has one, really. (It's "origin stories", not "reboots".)

@NapoleonWilson Watch closely. Almost every other shot contained this contrast, with the main expection of 2 scenes, one which was almost entirely teal (the neon signs in the fight with the assassin) and one almost entirely orange (with that dragon boat thingy). Hardy har har, folks. :(

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Oh, yeah, great scenes!

I guess the fact that I didn't know what you're talking about seems to point out that I really liked that style subconciously. ;-)

@NapoleonWilson It seems less cool the 9,485,895 time around :(

Napoleon Wilson

10:26 AM

Those scenes had an amazing audio-visual appeal and made a great impression. I'm afraid movies are not just about stories, heck, even books aren't.

But anyway, to each his own.

@NapoleonWilson Er, so what are books about?! The smell? ;)

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Well, they're certainly more about the story than movies, I guess. But even there you have important stylistic aspects.

@NapoleonWilson But the emphasis on them created pace issues. The plot seemed plodding. The neon fight made me sleepy, which I don't think was the intent

@NapoleonWilson Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher , then Christopher Nolan and now Batman v Superman. Three film series with their own origion story. THere was was few in 1940s too

I hope they avoid origion story in Batman v Superman

Napoleon Wilson

Maybe I didn't phrase it well. Of course the style has to support the sotry and it's atmosphere. But it is not just about a great plot alone, you have to present it in some way or another, and even more so in an audiovisual medium.

10:29 AM

@NapoleonWilson Like, the font? ;) Or do you mean by creating a world?

Napoleon Wilson

That's why Oblivion, believe it or not, is a good movie in the end, even if the plot as a whole might have been less coherent.

@Walt Uhuh.

@AnkitSharma There was no origin story in any of those. (And by the way, I think the Schumacher film were in the same canon as the Burton's). There were flashbacks, but they all had the existence of Batman as a premise right from the start.

Well, it's all connected, in my opinion, sorry

@NapoleonWilson Yeah i know that's why / not ",". :)

@NapoleonWilson Thought Batman & Robin was in the same canon as the Adam West show, let's face it ;)

Napoleon Wilson

That's why it's hard to define it in a clean way. Otherwise any movie that has a short mention of some backstory would count as origin story (which I would object to). But the Burtons, as well as the new Snyder one all have Batman as an established character.

10:34 AM

@NapoleonWilson Yeah new era is stared, Boruto's manga has already running. Animie series still need to cover naruto ending (will cover in few more months, if they don't include anymore fillers). They might use this film to see audience response before making Boruto anime series.

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Of course it is. But I can't stand people only concentrating on plot and ignoring all the other important aspects of a movie's impression (not implying you do, though).

@NapoleonWilson didn't watched Burtons

@NapoleonWilson Imply away. I don't concentrate on it, but I think it's a higher priority

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Well, the first one is quite good (or at least was very good until rewatching it with the Nolans in mind, but after recently rewatching again, that trauma settled a bit and I can again enjoy it). But the second one is an utter Burton-gothic shitfest.

@AnkitSharma Not sure what you'd think of them now, I don't think they'll age well

10:37 AM

@NapoleonWilson I only watched that batman vs robin in start and lost hope in Live action batman. It was Dark knight which restored my faith again.

Napoleon Wilson

Like with the Schumachers (only better as a whole), the first one isn't that bad, while the second one is utter crap.

@AnkitSharma That's a very bad place to start :D

Napoleon Wilson

Indeed, this would be like starting Game of Thrones in the middle of season 3. ;-P

@NapoleonWilson Pfeiffer might be a better fit than Hathaway, though. A sad psycho instead of just a bored thief.

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt No, no, and no.

10:40 AM

@NapoleonWilson I do this kind of things some times. Watch from some point, if i like it then i go for the whole

@NapoleonWilson Just wasn't that impressed with that character in Rises. Pfeiffer was over the top, but at least it stuck in my mind

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Hmm, ok. Then that really was the worst point to pick for Batman.

@Walt Hmm, can't we just return to James Bond, please? (Before anyone says Bane was shit.)

I wouldn't go as far as that. But I'm not sure what to make of him.

@NapoleonWilson Bond... OK, worst Bond?

(film)

Napoleon Wilson

I think Ledger and his character gets way too much credit compared to Bane (as well as the whole film, I think). That menacing larger than life guy with this over-the-top accent was just amazing. I can listen to his speeches all day.

@NapoleonWilson That was an accent? :O

Napoleon Wilson

10:44 AM

@Walt Hmm, probably one of Moore's.

Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man...before throwing him out of a plane. (Too bad we can't have accents in chat ;-()

This great city...it will endure.
Gotham is yours...do as you please.

Moonraker is aggressively idiotic, but I think Die Another Day just shades it for me. If only for the song (jeez, Madonna, even Garbage made an effort to sound all Bond-like)

Napoleon Wilson

Also one where I have to say that the German dubbers yet again made an excellent job, even if nothing really beats Tom Hardy on this.

@NapoleonWilson Hang on, you only watch dubbed movies?

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Ok, when it's about the song, Madonna is by faaar the worst.

@Walt No, I usually watch dubbed movies. But some things even I prefer in the original, like The Dark Knight Rises. As I said, noone beats Tom Hardy. Still the dubbed version is pretty good.

Hmm, your aversion to animation makes a bit more sense (where voice acting is key)

Napoleon Wilson

10:51 AM

@Walt Uh, no, that doesn't have anything to do with it. You Englishmen will never understand how good dubbing can actually be when done by an industry that excells in it since over half a century.

@NapoleonWilson ...Italy? >:)

Hee hee, you neglected to delete that Space: Above and Beyond ID question and now you can't

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt I don't know. I only know the German dubbing industry does an excellent job, including (but not limited to) animated stuff.

You can't really compare that to some crappy Japanese Anime you might watch on US TV.

@NapoleonWilson I just hear they're good too

Hey, sometimes it's an advantage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_Pizza_Cats

Napoleon Wilson

That being said, staying in song territory, Tina Turner still stays my favourite, closely followed by Adele.

@NapoleonWilson I'm a GowwwldFINgah fan meself

Napoleon Wilson

10:55 AM

But afterall there were so many good things. Tom Jones, both Man with the Golden Gun songs, Shirley Bassey, A-ha, Duran Duran.

@NapoleonWilson And as I said, Garbage did a surprisingly good job. Hate the one with Alicia Keys & Jack White, though

Napoleon Wilson

Paul McCartney and Wings. Oh, and of course the other Craigs, that guy from Audioslave, amazing song. And this duet with this awful Jack White and this Alicia Keyes.

@NapoleonWilson Sure, the song was prob. the best thing about Live & Let Die

Gotta leave, though, feeling peckish :(

Do anybody mind if i ask a Got Finite list question

2-3 maybe

Napoleon Wilson

I don't actually know Garbage other than from that song, but I agree that this wasn't "garbage".

@Walt Well, I'd still count it as one of the better Moores, even if it had some strange aspects (the over-the-top racist pseudo-blaxploitation angle for certain).

@AnkitSharma You just have to phrase it well, I guess. Don't let it look like a plain list question.

Napoleon Wilson

11:13 AM

@Walt Which isn't an aversion at all anyway.

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Q: Who could be the Azor Ahai?

During the seasons of Game of Thrones we heard Melisandre talking about the Azor Ahai reborn, a hero fighting against the Others (White Walkers), so Who do you think is this Azor Ahai ?

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^ opinion based + speculation

11:26 AM

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Q: Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?

In the season finale of Game of Thrones Season 5, Sansa lights a candle in Broken Tower. Later, when threatened by Myranda, Theon kills Myranda and rescues Sansa. Earlier on in the season, an old woman approaches Sansa and tells her that her family still has friends in the North and that if she e...

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Q: Has Gomez' goatee something to do with Walter in so4?

In season 4 Gomez has grown a goatee. Is there some sort of link to Walter or something? It is after all his "trademark". So I thought they wouldnt just give anybody one, or am I just looking for something?

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Q: Arrow S01E14: Oliver jokes how he trapped on an island and his only friend is named Wilson

What does this joke mean. People say that this related to Tom Hanks movie "Castaway". I dont wanna watch entire movie to get this joke.

1:36 PM

Gotta love when you sign on to see someone accepted an answer you posted nearly a year ago.

Napoleon Wilson

@MattD Well, it's a highly active user, not that unusual.

@Walt Sorry to warm up that old discussion, but after thinking a bit more about it. I think animated movies are more often than not just comedies to me. I enjoy comedies for what they are but if I want big emotions (other than humour) or complex and gripping story, I don't watch a comedy and more often than not the story gets in the way of the comedy and vice versa.

Maybe this is a fundamental attiude problem of me still seeing them just as neat family entertainment and nothing more, but at the end of the day that's what they are and I guess what's stopping me from seeing much more in them than just primarily lighthearted family comedies. And for the life of me I can't imagine an animated movie (or none of the Pixar/Dreamworks variety) concentrating on dark and complex themes and emotions, since well, for that you don't use cute animals.

Which is the reason why my most-values animations are those that are explicitly not for small kids (not "not for little kids only", but simply "not for little kids"), like Felidae or Watership Down.

2:27 PM

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Q: Is it possible for Arya Stark to become a White Walker?

Until now we have seen Arya Stark developing her abilities of becoming no-one by being faceless which was a gift given to her by the Many-Faced God. Arya could be anyone she wants. Does this ability make her able to be a White Walker and then destroy the Army of the Dead?

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@NapoleonWilson Sure, I guess they're contrained in that way to appeal to families. But constraints aren't always bad. They actually encourage creativity in some cases.

Of the movies I've seen in certain years, Pixar's have the most heart and brains because that's their trade, those are the tools they have. They can't cut away to a car chase. And there is darkness, though it's disguised (again, cleverly). Wall-E's message is pretty bleak when you think about it.

Wall-E would have had more impact if Wall-E remained "dead".

2:42 PM

Nah, that's too Jesus-y

(apologies for blasphemy)

How is that too Jesus-y? Jesus resurrected in 3 days and then ascended to heaven. Wall-E being brought back makes it more Jesus-y.

I don't mean the plot is bleak, anyway, but the premise. We've ruined our planet and now float in space, too fat to even walk 3 feet, and the only ones that give a damn are robots. Takes balls to sneak this stuff into a G movie.

@MattD Because it dilutes his sacrifice (though I disagree anyway, I liked the ending)

Bringing him back dilutes the sacrifice. Having him never come back online for the sake of saving humanity provides a much stronger context for what happened.

Here's why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aFV1r45sAQ

(er, Timothy Green spoiler there)

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt That's the point, the disguise, the point where I think the neat animation gets in the way of the actual story and themes.

2:51 PM

0

Q: [Spoilers]What happend to the dinosaurs

i went to Jurassic world last night and it left me with a question: Jurassic world is on the same island (from the looks of it) as Jurassic park... so where did those other dinosaurs go? The dinosaurs from the previous park that is.

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Napoleon Wilson

But sure, Wall-E was interesting.

@MattD Gotta have a bit of hope. There's also a semi-plausible explanation if you really try hard (his personality was stored in Eve when they first 'kissed')

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Why, that isn't that unrealistic a scenario and the story was an optimistic one. I'm not saying that this doesn't make it a good story, only that this doesn't really require "balls" IMHO.

@MovieReel Let me say it: The Ice Age! (include Austrian accent here)

Any of you not American folks watch Game of Thrones' finale yet?

Napoleon Wilson

Uh, can someone tell this guy going through all my top-voted answers that this is nice but will be undone by the malicious voting script anyway?

2:57 PM

@NapoleonWilson I'm not saying animated films don't occasionally have an environmental message. But very few G rated family films start after an apocalypse caused by human pollution destroyed Earth and drove all of humanity away

Napoleon Wilson

@MattD Me not.

What is this throne game you speak of?

Napoleon Wilson

Drgh, rather than just upvoting all that stuff he doesn't read anyway, he could as well vote up a few actual pearls that need votes. Those millions of upvotes will vanish anyway once the script kicks in. Which he probably will not be informed of and simply do it again another time. ;-(

@NapoleonWilson I'm wondering if it might be worth asking SE to implement a feature to detect serial voting early, to inform a user doing it that their actions will almost certainly caues a reversal of those upvotes.

@NapoleonWilson Someone's just into you. Take a hint! :)

Napoleon Wilson

3:03 PM

@MattD Well, I guess at the point where you can reliably detect it it's probably too late anyway. Rather than the reversal of all those votes afterwards I'm more afraid of the fact the the system doesn't tell at all what he did wrong so he won't even know.

@NapoleonWilson Yeeeeeeah, feels like there should be a way for mods of a site to send messages to users that show up the next time they log in. No need for a full blown messaging system on the site, just for mods to inform users of various actions if necessary.

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Yeah, it's the first time I actually got such an invalid upvote spree, I guess I'm just not a very nice person otherwise (though, I didn't gte a downvote spree yet either).

@NapoleonWilson Just kidding. I think it only happened to me once here

Or just force all newbies to view the info new users need befor letting them run amok. That would actually give the site association bonus more meaning as well.

Napoleon Wilson

@MattD Hmm, if I knew who it was I actually could send him a message. Maybe I can even find that out.

3:06 PM

@NapoleonWilson Seems odd that mods don't have tools to inspect individual upvotes for matters such as this.

@MattD Hey, 4th amendment buddy

@Walt Not sure how the right to undue search and seizure in the US Constitution applies to mods being able to see individual votes on posts to determine serial upvoting in an effort to stop it. :P

@MattD Wuh- Yeh pinko bastard!

I'm one of the downvoters on that Arrow Q, BTW. Originally seemed like OP was saying, "people told me the answer. so anyway, what's the answer"

Though your answer's better (+1)

@MattD I vote mods can do whatever the hell they want, this place would be a bigger mess without them

@Walt Thanks. It's not a completely terrible question, especially if someone hasn't seen Cast Away, or might not speak English natively to get the double play on the word, or didn't know that Deathstroke's real last name is Wilson to make it a double refference to begin with.

Napoleon Wilson

But well, as it looks I'll at least get one more rep-boundary day towards the badge statistics (provided the script takes it time).

3:15 PM

@MattD Maybe my downvoting finger's too itchy lately and I should improve questions instead

@NapoleonWilson A rep badge?

I'd imagine you got them all after all this time

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Not the ones where you need 200 daily rep on 50(!) or 200(!) days. I guess I have 2 maybe.

@Walt That#s why downvotes can always be changed when the post is edited.

@NapoleonWilson 2 what? Out of 50\200? Hard to believe

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt Why (ok, it's 3 I see)? It's really not easy to reach 200 reputation on a single day with such a low-activity site.

You need a really stellar answer (or more than one) on a hot question. And maybe a little help from older posts. But for all we know, if there's one thing people do less than voting, it's voting on old stuff.

@Walt Yeah, every now and then I have to make sure I pull back and more fully assess things, or even just let them go and see if I was right later, to make sure I'm not getting punchy with punishing users for bad questions/answers.

@MattD It's just exhausting, still seeing a lot of low quality Q after more than a year (can't even imagine what Mods feel). But yeah, I get your point

@NapoleonWilson Right. I seem to have more than 3. :O

Napoleon Wilson

3:24 PM

Fortunately the really bad questions are usually all grouped under a single tag. And unfortunately those are exactly the ones that can't be repaired without the asker.

@Walt I wholly agree, but I'd rather air on the side of caution over making the site seem like it's run by a bunch of elietist assholes who are out for perfection above all else.

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt They see exactly the same questions you do, so they probably don't feel much different.

@NapoleonWilson Yeah, but they have a lot more to do about them

Napoleon Wilson

Not so much more on a site of that activity. I rarely do much more than what I'd have doen as a 20k user anyway. There's like 3 flags a day maybe.

The only thing that feels a bit exhausting is writing the same "welcome to the site but your question's shit" comment under every second ID question because of setting a good example, you know, when you actually just wanna hammer on the close button the second the question appears.

@NapoleonWilson I told you, you should automate that stuff (and if it doesn't match the question exactly, who cares?) ;)

@MovieReel Yeah, and 2 or 3 showed Pterodactyls running loose in the end. How the hell did that work?!

Napoleon Wilson

3:38 PM

Huh? I'd guess they just captured all of the free-running dinos when building the park. Seems natural to just clean up the island or at least the parts where you build your park.

@NapoleonWilson Which is funny, because capturing the dinos to use in a park was the plot of the second movie.

Napoleon Wilson

@MattD Or the prequel to the new one, Building Jurassic World.

@NapoleonWilson I'm just sad that it looks like they simply found a way to make a movie to insert before the plot that was going around for a decade, for what the fourth movie would be about: dinosaurs rounded up for military applications.

Napoleon Wilson

Jurassic World Prevolution!

Overall I was pretty "meh" about Jurassic World. It's basically Jurassic Park with a few changes.

Napoleon Wilson

3:43 PM

Hmm, sounds sufficient.

@MattD So can Pratt carry a drama? (If he's even the lead, that is, seeing all that controversy about the misleading trailers)

@Walt Pratt and Howard were good in the film. Probably the best aspects of the film, actually.

@MattD Good to hear. I like the guy

Even if they had a really cheesey love story kludged in.

Napoleon Wilson

Seeing that, again contrary to common opinion, I liked all of the previous movies, I don't see me particularly disliking that one.

3:45 PM

@NapoleonWilson No, I'd wager you won't :)

Napoleon Wilson

But well, in 5 hours we know more.

My biggest issue with Jurassic World is there's no build up to anything. Jurassic Park had suspense and great payoff, whereas Jurassic World just throws the CGI at you. That was the other big thing: too much damn CGI.

To this day I watch the scene with the T-Rex breaking out in Jurassic Park and I still get chills down my spine.

Napoleon Wilson

I don't know when I last time left the cinema in utter disappointment. Maybe The Imitation Game, but even that was watchable and I didn't expect much more really.

@MattD Because it was partly horror. What's this one's genre, anyway?

@NapoleonWilson Jurassic World is still watchable, which is why I don't completely lambast it, but it was still disappointing to me.

You actually bring up a good point that I may monitor as I watch movies going forward: movies that are very meh, but still competently made, so people end up thinking/feeling the movie was good even though it kinda really wasn't.

3:50 PM

@MattD If their standards are low, sure they'll think it. :P

(speaking of being an elitist a-hole)

@Walt Maybe, but I don't think it's a matter of low standards. It's lke IKEA furniture. Looks good, functions, gets the job done, makes people happy, but at the end of the day it's still shit.

Napoleon Wilson

I only realize it when the stuff's on TV and I don't have the least inclination to watch it, and that every time its on TV, as it is with the Maguire Spidermans now. That is the moment where realize that the movie maybe wasn't that good at all.

@MattD That's why my place is just hammocks wall to wall

@Walt You sure that's not just because you live in India? drumroll :D

That actually sounds awesome, to be completely honest. Hammocks all over the damn place.

@MattD Nah, I live in that fantastical magical kingdom known as Hipster BS

@NapoleonWilson What is Martian, exactly?

What's it about?

3:56 PM

But yeah, as @NapoleonWilson commented, it basically just makes Jurassic World sufficient, but it's not very fulfilling, at least to me.

Napoleon Wilson

@Walt About a guy who gets lost on a manned Mars mission and ends up stranded on the planet trying to survive and be resourceful.

Being a rehash of the first film, that is. Honestly it's sort of depressing when you consider it was partially written by the duo that gave us the two most recent Planet of the Apes films, which are easily two of the best sci-fi films of this decade.

@NapoleonWilson OK. Trying to work up some enthusiasm & failing :P

Napoleon Wilson

And since I absolutely loved Gravity and even more so All Is Lost, that has to be great.

@NapoleonWilson Yeah, he has to, "Science the shit," out of his situation. Looks like it could be good.

3:58 PM

@MattD Ah, like Walt built those batteries out of lug nuts? </weird points of reference>

Napoleon Wilson

xkcd.com/1536

Hey, I thought that one-boxed?

@MattD Those were pretty good, yeah

Napoleon Wilson

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@MattD Meh.

@NapoleonWilson Apes? I liked them both. Caesar's CGI was a bit wonky in the 1st, but they improved it in the 2nd

For anyone here who games, Microsoft press conference at E3 starts in less than 30 minutes.

@Walt The CGI in the second film was amazeballs.

Napoleon Wilson

4:04 PM

@Walt Sure, good movies. It was more the scales of that statement that baffled me a little. But to each his own.

@MattD You like the CGI in one film but not in another? How that? I mean, it's impossible for there to be a quality difference. In productions of those standards CGI simply looks perfectly real anyway.

@MattD Sure, I often venture to Day of the Tenticle on my nostalgia stash. :P

@NapoleonWilson Has to do with the manner in which its used. For the second Apes film it's very high quality, and still involved actors on set for the apes interacting with the human characters. With Jurassic World it felt like it was lower quality and overused when it didn't need to be.

Napoleon Wilson

@MattD Do they have anything important in production right now (and I mean real video games, not console stuff)?

@NapoleonWilson Not sure off the top of my head, but that's wha these press conferences are for.

Bethesda had theirs last night. Detailed Fallout 4, Dishonored 2, and the new Doom game. Sadly my cable company is run by jackasses, so my service won't be hooked up until tomorrow, when it should have been hooked up Saturday afternoon.

Napoleon Wilson

Do they actually have any own franchises? Age of ... maybe, HALO is X-Box anyway.

4:08 PM

@MattD Not really an authority but I think Mad wrote something about that

Thus I couldn't watch it last night.

@Walt I think it was Cracked, actually. I know the article you're referring to. Can't look it up immediately.

BRB

@MattD Right, sorry

@MattD I'll be off, just been told I have to do some work to make a living?! Oh well :(

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Q: Are All Members of House Targaryen Impervious to Flames?

In Game of Thrones we see that Daenarys can't be burned by flames, would this ability have extended to the rest of the members of House Targaryen? The reason I ask is that, during the episode where the Night's Watch has a funeral for Aemon, we see that they have him resting on a funeral pyre wh...

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Q: In An Affair to Remember with Cary Grant, What does Gladys the maid mumble as Deborah Kerr's boyfriend enters the apartment?

In the Cary Grant/Deborah Kerr version of An Affair to Remember, what does Gladys the maid mumble angrily as Deborah Kerr's boyfriend Ken enters the apartment?

6:50 PM

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Q: Difference TV show and book

Someone spoil me a lot of thing in this season because he read the book. He did not see the last episode yet (season 5 episode 10) and I will my revenge... Is there anything in the season final of the TV show not in the book ? Thank you

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Q: Sleep Number Commerical Actress?

Who is the main woman in this Sleep Number commercial BTW, it IS NOT Karen E. Wright? Nor is is Abby Miller... http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7DnS/sleep-number-sleep-iq-technology-better-sleep

8:36 PM

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Q: what's the film with the stage director setting up the cast members for revenge?

a stage director invites people to do a read through of his play. as they do it becomes apparent that they're all linked somehow to the director and he's set them up to wreak revenge on them. what's the title?

Napoleon Wilson

9:03 PM

Well, what should I say, Jurassic World was pretty good. Sure in line with all the previous good movies. I agree, though, that the story was pretty much that of the 1st movie, from the general plot structure to many more direct allusions. But well, not a bad thing IMHO. Nice how they made the sympathetic Dr. Wu from the first part quite a bit more extreme in his ways.

But where was the CGI? For all I know they filmed this with real dinosaurs (well, maybe not the Indomus Rex, that thing doesn't exist).

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Napoleon Wilson

11:55 PM

Hmm, for the watch, for the friggin' watch! ;-(

@NapoleonWilson We must have been watching it at the same time. We just finished.

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